This has existed on places like 4chan since I was a middle schooler, and I'm in my 30s today. The alt-right was actually a targeted psyuop by 4chan (and others, like Bannon's bunch of cronies) to weaponize disaffected white g*mers. It sounds insane, but stuff like G*merGate absolutely sparked the alt-right of today.

>G*merGate in [current year]

lmao

I don't know if it's only Gen Z males, but recently a Gen Z sub popped up in my Reddit feed; it was about the age range the users were attracted to.

I was shocked to see that multiple teen boys wrote that they only plan to settle down in their late 30/40s and only with a girl in her 20s because that's when they're fertile and can give birth to their kids. These comments made me vomit internally and feel bad for every Gen Z and Gen Alpha girl. It makes me scared of what kind of a world my potential daughter might live.

Also, there was a similar question on AskMen recently and many young men under 30/25 shared these sentiments and reduced women to an object meant to be youthful, fertile, and provide them with offspring.

I don't say there aren't men like this in my generation, but I didn't encounter many backwards-thinking Millennials. It seems like something went wrong in the past few years, and it had a huge impact on Gen Z males.

genocide

Even if it's trolling, trolling is worse than real hate.... Like, if you make the world cope with another Nazi because you're a Nazi, that's unfortunate, but it's what you are and believe. If you don't think that stuff but subject the world to Nazi crap it just to laugh at the suffering it causes, that's fricking HORRIBLE

>trolling is worse than real hate

reddit foids lmao

I’m a Gen Z trans woman and I almost fell down the alt-right pipeline when I was in middle/high school. It’s a terrifying thing but i see how it happens. These boys see women and queer people getting equal treatment now and feel like they are being treated as less than or forgotten about or whatever. Like they’re “not special too”. They are lonely. They don’t have partners and feel rejected by society.

I think the biggest thing is talk to these boys when they’re young. Treat them with respect as you would anyone but prove their views are wrong when they start to come up. One of the biggest things that stopped me from continuing to be an antifeminist shithead was people reacting with disgust when I said I was one. Also, just meeting women and queer people and being friendly with them and realizing they weren’t at all like what I was told they were like. Turned out I had been lied to and I was basing my hate and distrust on false stereotypes and false representations.

chud to train pipeline proven real once again

Also trans, I can’t relate (I was a feminist and ally even before my transition, although my understanding of the topics now is much deeper) but the idea that it could have happened is scary. I think LGBTQ+ people are at special risk of this as a means of suppression of their feelings - for a trans woman, this can be the ultimate act to suppress gender Dysphoria. Then it can turn into a “if I can’t have it, no one can” situation. I’ve heard too many stories of trans people who did go down this pipeline and became raging transphobes and actively hurt other trans people and hurt LGBTQ+ people and women in general before realizing that it was all to suppress who they really were.

Gen Z girls, DO NOT REPRODUCE WITH THESE IGNORANT, SEXIST, POOR EXCUSES FOR MEN!!! - me a 51 year old veteran white dad father of two girls!

I literally had one of the worst semesters at college thanks to gen z dudes being indoctrinated already by this shit. I failed 2 of my class (1 of which he was a classmate in.) I felt safe at my college until then. I just want to get an education like wtf.

taking responsibility for one's actions challenge [IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE]

OP has quite a post history: she's a 31 year old virgin who was considering IVF to be a "single mother by choice" but must've changed her mind and started posting in childfree

We talk about catcalling, getting hit on at random places, men who can't take no for an answer, unsolicited pictures, etc but we never talk about what it's like to be completely desexualized. Has anyone else dealt with not being seen in a sexual way at all?

Nearing my 60th year on this planet and I am loving no longer being seen in a sexual way. Probably because I developed young and am healthily endowed

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People don't treat ugly men like they aren't worth getting to know as people just because they are ugly. Women who are not conventionally attractive are treated like they aren't worth even acknowledging as a fellow human being.

sorry you'll never understand how hard it is to be a woman

What I'm not a fan of is ANYONE acting like catcalling is compliment. It's harassment, end of story.

Has anyone else dealt with not being seen in a sexual way at all?

Why is this an issue?

Yes. The very moment I come out as trans to men...

I feel like black cis women have a lot in common with trans women in the way we are treated.

TW: sexual assault I'm glad you are bringing the subject OP because I thought I was the only person with this concern. I feel shameful for typing this but I have never been r*ped and I've heard so many women have been, so it made me feel like I was not attractive enough.

There's this movie welcome to the dollhouse. In one scene, the main character's brother suggests she's not pretty enough to get kidnapped (though her little sister is). These characters are young, 13 and 8. If someone is not preying on you, wanting to r$pe or f$ck you, sorry, you must not be beautiful. If you grow up female in the west, this is essentially what you are taught. The patriarchy we are living in is a real mindfrick.

I've been young thin and pretty and fatter and youngish and then skinny again and older and now fat again and middle aged. The being fat and middle aged thing has been the only time I've felt completely desexualized. Like I'm invisible to men now. It's honestly kind of a shitty feeling. I went on a girls trip with my best friend last fall and she's my same age but extremely petite and cute. She was flirting with bar tenders and other people. And I was like hellllo I am here too. I felt absolutely invisible

This is definitely a subject that needs to be discussed / examined more because it's as much a tool of the patriarchy as hyper sexualization

Pretty privilege is a massive blind spot in this sub. So many women and girls clearly don't understand that life isn't just about individual interactions, it's about how being part of a demographic has a broader systemic impact.

uh oh who let this misogynist into 2x

Unfair expectations leading to desexualization aren't purely a male perpetrated thing. For men, we have similar standards imposed on us. Except instead of youth and thinness it's money and height.

Can't have one goddarn thread without some dude chiming in about “bUt MeN tOo WiTh HeIgHt!!!!”

No. It isn't remotely the same thing.

Yes! I'm fat, so I deal with it a lot. I have complicated feelings around things like catcalling. It's just a weird place to be. I agree and understand that catcalling and shit like that is awful. But it's just also.... A very weird feeling to feel, left out of it I guess?

I don't think I'm even that ugly and no one's ever cat called me lol. I definitely feel left out and like something's wrong with me when women act like it's a universal experience.

Personally I think there is a weird flex where some women claim that they can't walk to the mailbox without being hounded for s*x by multiple men, or that every single man they encounter sexualizes them. It's either Main Character Syndrome or they a way of asserting dominance

a reasonable comment on 2X?? Someone better get the to mop it up!

Throwaway, because I am ashamed to even ask for help.

My (M21) Gf (F23) has gotten r*ped 3 times over the course of her life. 2 before she met me and one during. We have been dating for about a year. All of them have been at parties and have been caused by a stranger taking advantage of her.

Obviously she is a victim and doesn’t deserve anything that has happened to her, but she will not stop going to parties and getting drunk and high to the point where she isn’t fully aware of her surroundings. She says if she stops going then the male feminists win, because she’s loves to have fun with her friends and listen to music. I usually do not go to these parties as I despise party culture and have a tight circle of friends who I will only celebrate their birthdays with. I have gone to some of these parties that she goes to and she is very popular and friendly.

I worry that she is being taken advantage of to the point where she doesn’t consider that a huge trust factor is being broken with me. I really do not like her going to these parties and have been going with her ever since the last one happened. I feel that I ruin the mood she has, by being worried and feel that she doesn’t want me there. She tells me she loves me and appreciates me going because she knows I hate it. So I'm not worried about her lying or anything of the sort just confused.

She tells me that people grope her in public and kiss her when they pass by too. I am deeply disturbed that something might be wrong with her as I care about her very much. I don't know if it is caused by dissociating or some other mental illness but I will never let anything happen to this woman again. I have considered marrying her in a couple years but I don’t know if I can trust someone that puts no effort in trying to stop this from happening. I feel like an butthole for even thinking that but I want to protect her. Please anybody let me know if you have been a in a similar situation or any ideas to help her. Thank you.

exposing someone's fiancé for having harmless fun at a bachelorette party is insane behavior. let girls have fun on the last free day of their lives. pic.twitter.com/yKAPkhRY95

— misha꙳ (@schizarella) September 30, 2023

exposing someone's fiancé for having harmless fun at a bachelorette party is insane behavior. let girls have fun on the last free day of their lives.

I don't know, getting finger blasted at a strip club maaaaay be something you'd want to know about your future wife.

Would you feel the same way if a fiance got a blowjob at the same bachelor party?

Not sure all would agree on it being harmless.

we should be talking about how you don't need to know everything if you love and trust your partner and they do the same.

Maybe that's just me, but I don't think cheating is harmless

don't you wanna hear her explanation first?

as eminem said:

Wait, what if there's an explanation for this shit?

What, she tripped, fell, landed on his peepee?

"No tipping" is evil, everyone has to give workers their due

I agree, but it's extremely petty to steal someone's marriage and motherhood for simply not tipping a few dollars.

no, it's extremely based

shoeonhead comments on the situation:

if you see marriage as losing your freedom you should probably not get married

I like that a TikToker stripper called 21stCenturyWhore is the moral compass here!

🤣

It doesn’t take long for the ladies to begin essayposting about :marseygaslighting: -

https://old.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/12odxbw/my_husband_and_his_entire_family_hid_a_medical/jgi0pe2/?context=3&sort=controversial

"she said they wanted to protect my fragile mental state”

"He told me I was being dramatic" and "he was 'protecting' me"

"His whole family thinks I'm crazy"

I find these phrases and the bold words in particular very telling of your husband and his family's view of mental health. I don't like how close to gaslighting this is coming across; it may even be gaslighting, actually. It's like they don't think you're a functioning adult or something, and need to be treated as a fragile child.

I too have anxiety, among other mental health disorders, so I know what it's like to have people think you're not capable. It's painful to realize that those who are supposed to love and care about you have decided you're too messed up to handle drama.

I don't know what your plans are of course, but I would absolutely have a serious conversation with my husband ASAP. That he's willing to lie this easily over something this big and then try to gaslight you into thinking they were doing it for your best interest is messed up. They were not. They didn't want to deal with how you would respond because they're uncomfortable dealing with someone like you and can't be bothered to learn how to actually help you in difficult times - you know, what husbands and family should be doing for one another. I would insist he get better education on your diagnoses and attend couples counseling as well. This is the kind of behavior that only worsens when not addressed, and you deserve to be in a safe, healthy, loving environment.

These terms have also historically been linked to women and used to strip them of autonomy, not only of their own bodies, but all decisions effecting them.

Weakness and fragility in women was linked medically to both their mental and physical health, and was viewed as something inherent to girls and women. Women and girls were for instance recommended to not do physical activity, such as walk stairs during their periods.

Women were also diagnosed with hysteria, while men were not. Hysteria literally comes from the greek word for uterus. Women and their emotions or lack thereof were controlled and conditioned this way.

These attitudes OPs husband and his family have towards OP are rooted in misogyny. It is infantilizing of the highest degree.

It goes on for awhile like that

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/u/snatchpanda says it’s time for a divorce and there’s absolutely nothing that will fix things:

It won’t go anywhere. It’s not worth having that conversation. OP, I went through something similar in my own relationship.

He has already made a decision. If anything, it will just confirm to him that he was correct in hiding it because he predicted correctly that you would start “acting crazy” if you found out. Any subsequent reaction will just be used against you and he’s already started a smear campaign with his family so that they believe you’re unstable.

No level of bargaining, negotiation or reasoning will convince him that you’re worth seeing as an equal, no matter how correct you are. Best thing to do here is disconnect. Go silent. Start making an exit strategy

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Some assorted 1k+ upvoted circlejilling about how your husband’s stroke isn’t “the diagnosis”, your anxiety is “the diagnosis” and he needs to be respectful of it

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Additional divorce highlight reel:

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• 6 ^{with OP response}

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Reminder to never get involved with a woman who even knows what Reddit is.

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And now we move on to Controversial, which the j-slurs have been hard at work mopping. Unddit seems fricky and won’t load comments for me? So here are links to, at least, the resultant discussions

https://old.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/12odxbw/my_husband_and_his_entire_family_hid_a_medical/jgijeua/?context=3&sort=controversial

This one ⬆️ goes on for quite awhile. My favorite part is “Don't feed the trolls, you've got like 99% of people agreeing with you, you're not crazy.”

The lone voice of reason is also one of the most controversial comments in the thread:

Dishonesty in a relationship is not okay. But your husband had a major situation happen to him and you are making it about you Both are serious issues and are problematic. You should look into couples therapy.

Controversial sort was a lot less interesting than I thought it would be. OP edited her post to call out all the haters calling her crazy, but I couldn’t find a single one of those.

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Also of note is the fact that OP is fricking enormous and has a narwhal tattoo

& lol.

That’s all for now, happy Monday rDrama!

All The Men I believe to be my friends want to sleep with me.

So, I'd originally tried to post this on /r/AmItheAsshole, BUT it doesn't fit guidelines. I figured I would try it here, as I'm sure a lot of XXC can relate. I know it sounds ridiculous but I really cannot tell. That's why I need an objective opinion if I'm the problem here.

I'm a 25F social party type, happily single and doing my thing. I have a lot of male friends I met through the industry I work in that I hang out with and see almost daily. While I'm a natural flirt because of the industry, I keep my s*x life(which has slowed SIGNIFICANTLY since my early 20's) private and out of the same social circle I leave my day-to-day in.

I have a few male friends who I love dearly. We go out and see movies, to dinner, etc., and I've always enjoyed their company platonically. Since I'm single, I don't mind jumping on a homie's back or letting them hold doors open for me, a little soft flirting; but I've always felt like generally, it was a platonic agreement. Split bills, wingmanning eachother, etc. I've always stayed vocal about my actual crushes, implying that I respectfully don't have romantic feelings for my male friends.

I stayed over at one of my male friends' house after drinking (we were both super drunk) and he tried to make a sexual move on me, and I admitted to him I wasn't interested in having s*x with him. Frustrated, he sighed and said, "You'll have s*x with (the name of my crush), but not with me?" The rest of the night I sobered up and got a little paranoid.

This has happened a few times now with men who allow me to lean on them (taking me to the beach, helping me lift furniture, etc) even though I always keep the mood goofy and platonic, and I don't understand why me hanging out with guys isn't how it is with girls. Even though I'm sexually attracted women, I don't expect to sleep with women when I get too close to them; I see them as friends when they are just friends.

But my male friends seem to get frustrated that I'm around them but not opening up sexually. I don't know if it's selfish for me to be so close to straight men that I don't want to sleep with, but admittedly I felt like it was too good to be true to have a safe relationship with a man, as a friend, without feeling pressured to have s*x with him.

Maybe for them it's opposite. Maybe it's frustrating having a liberated person like me around, that doesn't want to have s*x with them.

Is it too good to be true for me to be hanging out with them and enjoying their company and laughing and gently flirting, when, I'm not interested in having s*x with them? Like, at all?

*EDIT: I do want to clarify that I am not mad that people become attracted to me. I get mad when it leads them to try and have s*x with me when I'm alone with them.

*EDIT Pt. 2 I flirt because as a bartender, it is part of my nature. I flirt casually with absolutely everybody. I understand the comments saying the flirting is the problem, but I also think for context it's important to know that flirting is second nature in the bar industry.

Other discussions 2

Contex: Grimes is a musician who makes very good bleep blop art hoe music, she used be a darling among reddit feminists until she got peepee downed by Elon Musk and quit repeating the acceptable feminist platitudes

I just know this annoying little elitist is a huge Red Scare Pod fan…

I'm dying for the day this sub will found out that not even her "classics" were written by her and she's basically the female Matty Healy.

I'd love to know more if you have the energy/willingness to share

do you have enough spoons to comment?

She says this as if we wouldn’t have these things if we had been started as a matriarchal society instead. We’d definitely have roads, civilization, food supplies, and more. Women just would’ve achieved this with much more care of our planet, animals, and other people, and much less genocide, famine, and war.

There are matriarchal societies though, the Mosuo, bribri, akan etc. They’re all very small, very insular, very powerless groups that were subsumed by more powerful, more advanced, patriarchal societies. If we all lived in matriarchal societies we’d still be in small villages, disconnected from the rest of the world, dying of dysentery and the common cold. (-15)

We don’t actually KNOW (whether we’d have the same stuff under a matriarchy or better or worse)...(-50)

I think it’s pretty safe to say women would have figured we need roads, food, and other things that make a society

insane to suggest that providers of life wouldn’t be able to comprehend humanity needs

Is it?

SUCH a pick me

She’s a fricking idiot imagine bootlicking for an oppressive controlling society just because you want to sound edgy. Uber???? Such a loser

Non-/s/ link: https://old.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/16dclnu/love_the_fact_that_i_was_coerced_into_sex_i_didnt?sort=controversial

From xir post history:

This shitty web comic is r*pe apologia!!!!

WHY WONT INSURANCE COMPANIES PAY FOR MY FACIAL FEMINIZATION SURGERY!?

From the thread:

Leftist Infighting wins again (-58)

they hated him for telling the truth

MensLib

I was under the impression for a while that this sub was supposed to be a place for people to genuinely talk about issues that impact men, exclusively, but in a more thoughtful and open atmosphere than somewhere like a MRA subreddit.

ive been in that sub for quite a while and there is some good discussion here and there, it definitely is much better than MRA and their mods actually sided with me on a couple of arguments ive had on there so thats good. but they do have some things to work through and that emotional labour thing is something that comes up in there over and over, many of them dont understand the nuance between being emotionally supportive and carrying your partners entire mental health on your shoulders, on top of your own.

emotional labor??

There are also a lot of men there who just want to be the victim so bad. They didn't join because they noticed some serious issues with patriarchy and were interested in uncovering their own role, deprogramming themselves, and coming to solutions. They just heard "a subreddit for men? For the poor poor men victimised by societyTM ? Finally something that focuses on me!"

its hard for me to take a lot of the mens lib stuff seriously because even when theres good points being made, it always seems to circle back to criticizing women for not doing enough (or just general whataboutism with feminism). it would be easier to take seriously if international mens day searches werent the highest on international womens day than any other day

what world do these people live in?

Usually these kinds of posts only have things that you can individually make fun off, which is why the comments seem to be filled with "what's wrong with x?"

your previous 2 comments are in the subs for vaush and hasan lmfao, youre literally the dude in the pic

being socialist has nothing to do with being a toxic male feminist lol. socialist men on average are far more decent than non socialist men

Some of these don't make a lot of sense. I was under the impression there's quite a bit of animosity between the HasanAbi community and the Vaush community, for instance. That is Vaush, right? I don't watch his content.

i honestly believe the so called "brocialist" is largely a liberal invention because while i have met annoying male socialists, it's really a drop in the bucket, all of my male socialist friends are genuinely good people who believe in actual women's liberation and not just voting for nancy pelosi or whatever other clown behavior liberals think will save america

I don't understand why we're being downvoted.

I don't know all the ins and outs of socialist theory, but it doesn't seem to be against women's rights at all?

Chairman Mao was the one who spawned the quote "Women hold up half the sky." Women's liberation cannot happen without socialism. I think some libfems meet one annoying male socialist and make generalizations because western society has been poisoned by anticommunist propaganda

chairman mao quote

jesus fricking christ you two are so painfully un-self-aware it almost wraps back around to being funny

Yep. Classic. Way to congratulate yourself on clearing such a high a bar. Of course you think “but the other guys are worse” is good enough. 🙄

I agree that a lot of these things are toxic but I fail to see how communism, Bernie supporter, and kink positive is supposed to be a toxic thing?

I've heard from folks in the kink space that some guys take "dom" as an excuse to be an butthole, without really delving into aftercare and the positive, caring sides of it.

There were a lot of Bernie Bros who refused to vote for Hillary. Sure, they didn't like her politics, but there was a clear gender divide when Bernie lost the nomination. The “political” argument was about preserving the Supreme Court. For some reason that resonated with women and other minority groups. White Bernie bros, however, just couldn't betray their principles and vote for someone they didn't believe in. If only there was an explanation for what separates these groups. 😑

Hasan constantly spewing about "crazy radfems" without identifying what those even are is really bothersome.

Radfems are the worst tho. They are reactionaries that will happily collaborate with fascists to achieve their goals.

Did he not just mean TERFs?

Radfems are pro s*x worker, anti John and Hasan is a John.

but how would you have s*x workers without some paying for the "work"

They are not!! Absolutely 100% NOT. Radfems talk over me, tell me to shut up, and imply that my needs as a s*x worker don't matter. They are paternalistic and dehumanizing whenever I have the misfortune of interacting with them online.

Hasan has made the distinction that he both hates terfs and "radfems."He needs to stay in his lane and stick to socialist politics cause he's garbage at anything else.

Nah, it's good he's calling out those reactionaries

The "kink-positive" + "PornHub" parts are intrinsically linked.

"I'm a super feminist guy, I only enjoy watching women crying while being beaten and gangraped gangbanged by men because it's ✨ a kink ✨ and definitely not because I enjoy the thought of sexual violence against women more than the standard-issue misogynists I criticize."

obvs nothing wrong with being kink positive but soooooo many cishet dudes see "kink positive" as a get out of jail free card to be as disgustingly perverted/predatory as they want under the paper thin guise of feminist praxis or whatever

they act like it's somehow subversive. No, my dude, wanting s*x to be something women endure and that men enjoy is the least subversive take on sexuality. Femdom or pegging or things along those lines are subversive because they run contrary to the social gender norms outside the bedroom

also worth noting that even dudes who are into subversive stuff can go about it in the most un-subversive way, where theyre basically just pervy creeps with a different coat of paint

source: am tall girl who uses dating apps with the filter set to "liberal"

>tall girl

Most kinks are problematic, IMO. What people do in their own bedrooms is no one else's business, and there's nothing wrong with having kinks that both partners are into even if it's problematic, buuuuuut...

Not to be THAT girl, but calling kink problematic is kinda ignoring that for most people kinks aren't exactly a choice. Like, do I choose to be really into watersports? No, but I am, and saying that BDSM and/or other kink is problematic kinda undermines the fact that if it's consensual then there's no issue

Does Ethan have a big male leftist audience? I feel like they're less interested in that stuff at H3. Replace him with the Chapo or Cumtown boys

he dislikes trump and ben shapiro, so ive seen dudebros act like that makes him a leftist hero while conveniently ignoring the antifeminist alt-right pipeline aspect

The alt-right pipeline missed me entirely, so I don't know his role in that horrorshow. What happened?

i tried to not follow him either but i went to an all-boys catholic high school in 2016 so it was pretty inescapable...

...his wife was in the IDF...

Direct link if you speak Fr*nch

The number of matches on a dating app has absolutely nothing to do with how easy it is to have s*x or not.

Until proven otherwise, it takes (at least) two to sleep, and therefore, unless you adhere to the myth that only a minority of guys attract women, there are as many guys who sleep as there are. sleeping women.

Thank you for this post!

This is an opinion not popular only among men unfortunately...

But I completely agree with what you say and like you I found the post you refer to shocking, how it is possible to be so disconnected from reality is beyond me. It's necessarily guys who have NEVER exchanged with women on the subject

Can't wait for men to deconstruct themselves a little and start to have a step back on the education they received

PS: I'm a man

It happened around an hour ago, but I'm still shaken up and I legitimately feel like I've dodged a massive bullet.

We still have two hours to go, but I really had to pee so we stopped at a rest stop. I went into the women's bathroom & IMMEDIATELY got a bad feeling about the place.

The first and the last stalls were open, the middle one was locked.

Before leaving I stopped to wash my hands in the sink closest to the entrance...

Guys, just when the water turned on I heard that door unlock. I fled that bathroom as quickly as physically possible

I'm still shaken up over it.

incredible !foidmoment

I mean, I'm a woman. And I don't understand the reasoning behind this post. Nothing happened except that someone else was in the restroom at the same time you were.

Nothing happened because she trusted her gut, which we should all do. Always trust your gut, other people's feelings be darned.

Yup, thats why I never relax

This is giving, "I'm white and a man was ALSO in IKEA." They were probably waiting for you to leave. I'm a woman and I'm confused by this.

What does race have anything to do with this? Saying misogynistic comments but adding “white” in there doesn't make it any less misogynistic

Because it's white woman who pull that stuff. Am I speaking to young adults? Do you have blinders on? Not all white women, but always a white woman...

So…. You went to the bathroom and psyched yourself up to realize that another person also had to use the bathroom?

Sounds like you've been very lucky, or absurdly sheltered, in life.

Well… I wouldn't call being the transgender daughter of a neonazi methhead lucky…. Or sheltered… my life was constant fist fights, knives being pulled on me, and a variety of other injustices that no child should have experienced. But sure! Sheltered… and lucky… haha! Yeah!

You still grew up as a boy. That changes things quite a lot.

Imagining an incoming post from the woman in the stall and her perspective...

No. We need to support women trusting their gut because we are told so many times to be polite and smile. Frick that. Her intuition was telling her to be careful and she trusted that. Eff you for invalidating that

How do you think the woman in the middle cubicle felt?

How do you know the occupant of the middle stall was a woman?

It was the women's bathroom

A man could have snuck in.

Men attacking women in the restroom is fairly common

This is chilling. I'm so glad you escaped. Horrifying.

This thread has some of the most chilling stories I've read in a while

If there's one thing listening to Karen and Georgia has taught me, it's that women listening to those warning bells saves their fricking lives. Who knows, maybe it was nothing. But how many stories have we heard where it wasn't nothing and they just didn't wanna look crazy or be impolite? Frick politeness.

True crime foids are delusional

I listen to a true crime podcast and some of the people they talk about would be alive right now if they had listened to the gut feeling of not doing something like that. Better safe than sorry. Rule number 5 is Be Weird. Be Rude. Stay Alive.

We should all trust our gut feelings, politeness be darned. Women not supporting women is not acceptable.

like 30% of the comments are some variation of "frick politenness, trust your gut & stay alive"

The way I held my breath both times you mentioned sneaking past the locked door and my heart started racing as it was unlocked. Scary as all heck.

It was written like the opening of a horror novel. Also I wonder if the lack of potty paper was done deliberately?!

That thought also crossed my mind.

Omg yes!!!!

I thought both of those things as well!

the darn male feminist stole all the toillet paper as a trap!

Absolutely

However -

The chart only goes to 2021, and the number of people who were self isolating in 2020 and 2021 was quite high. I'm interested to see the numbers from 2022 and 2023 to see if the trend continues or goes back to looking closer to what came before the pandemic.

The pandemic will still lead to some lasting changes that will be integral to daily life from now on. It's possible that women realizing no s*x is better than bad s*x, or how happy we are not being toyed around with or mistreated, is one of them.

yet you get lots of at the mere mention of body count

Hmmm well abortion rights have been restricted, other women's right attacked, the incel Andrew Tate group grows, and young men are turning more conservative…

pendulum is shifting, sweatie

Don't forget porn sick too

The data is all from before RvW was overturned.

So women are even more Celibate now

reddit foids? absolutely not

Yes. I can relate. I'm 23 years old and still a virgin. I never thought I would make it this long without ever having s*x, but hooking up or being used for s*x is not something I'm interested in.

Well, well... if isn't the consequences of men's own actions. You bring nothing to the table, you demand everything on the table, and you make women's lives harder, sadder, and more violent. My husband is thankfully a good man, but if he ever dies I will absolutely not for one second be lonely or desperate enough for peepee to date one of today's men. Not a single one of them is worth the time, effort, or labor.

presented without comment...

This one is for the boys pic.twitter.com/YrVSH4naaQ

— Shadow Cringelord (@ShadowxTwilight) September 17, 2023

Today at the YMCA I finally had enough. This is the 5th time I have had an uncomfortable situation with a man, in which no action was taken in my defense.

Some man with his 2 little boys was leering at me, making kissy faces at me while I was trying to do down dog so I moved to another side of the room and he moved chairs to keep staring. In front of his children

The next incident involved a very flamboyant man doing dead lifts with see through shorts that left NOTHING to the imagination. Reminder that this is a family gym and there were high schoolers looking and laughing at him. Management was informed and no action was taken.

yikes, cool it with the homophobic remarks sweaty

The 3rd incident involves an unsupervised child knocking over my water bottle and spilling water all over my phone but I felt like I would just be considered a b-word if I spoke up

The 4th happened on Monday when a teenager that's a full foot taller and at least 80 pounds heavier shoulder checked me in the hallway! Like, so hard that I hit the wall

As I exit, these two older grandpa looking men seem to coming in so I try to hold the door to be polite. They wave to me that they are staying outside and I move on

one of the grandpas is now pushing the other sled RIGHT NEXT TO MINE even though there's no one else on the patio and lots of open space.

half way through my last run (I'm pulling 100 lbs and walking backwards) I RUN INTO THIS GRANDPA BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON HE'S RIGHT BEHIND ME.

I freak out because I'm startled and I hit my Achilles tendon on his fricking sled so I tell him to watch out. He just like laughs at me? Smiles or something? So I finish my run and go inside to tell management that he's being unsafe

When I get outside I hear the same person I'd reported to MAKING FUN OF ME to 2 teenagers.

he had the audacity to tell me I was in the wrong because the old man is disabled

What do you think? Was I being dramatic?

yes

Y'know, if you're prepared to quit anyway, I'd keep going until someone was a creep again. And then, just fricking unload on him, both barrels. Verbally, of course. It will be cathartic for you and hopefully humiliating for him. What are they gonna do, kick you out?

Bro you go to the YMCA for the gym? Mistake number 1😮😮😮 always a fricking mistake.

It is never someone's mistake for being harassed or assaulted. Your comment has victim blaming all over it. We should not be accepting that we should just avoid certain public places because they are poorly run. Yes of course we should take our business elsewhere and report it, but what I mean is it should not be acceptable behaviour ANYWHERE.

victim blaming??!?

The Y is a christian organization, hence the misogyny. Good luck.

The YMCA is an evangelical Christian organisation, I don't want to be negative but it'll be full of small minded patriarchal attitudes. I worked for them 20ish years ago and remember the homophobic comments from one of the directors. You're better to give your cash and patronage to somewhere without this background.

the Y is a Christo-fascist organization

I don't like that you said “flamboyant man” to describe the man.

While most people look at the Y as a gym, look at its name. It is the Young Men's Christian Association. It is theoretically religious in nature. If they feel it is their religious right to discriminate or disregard women, then they can legally do so. I'm not defending them. Just pointing out their buttholery. There is something telling when you look at their mission statement as opposed to the one for the YWCA. Unless you find something specifically in the rules for the YMCA which states their behavior towards you was against those rules, you are screwed. As for the YWCA, their mission statement specifically states that women have the right to be safe and chose the direction of their lives. I didn't see anything like that for the men's.

I've never had as many awful experiences at a gym as I have at the Y, I don't know what it is about that place. The absolute worst was the time I caught a guy masturbating while watching me work out.

That is sexual assault!

All of these are male aggression, even if they are smiling and talking softly, and whatever they spin it as: "just being friendly", "paying a compliment", and the stinking "men can't help it", etc. This is not even about you personally or their sexual gratification. It's about power and misogyny. They see a woman and immediately decide to play their sick dominance game because they think they are entitled to do so to any woman. They want to make you uncomfortable and feed on your nervousness and internal struggles. Don't ever let them make you doubt yourself and your demand

Just yesterday in some gym-related post I've seen a ton of gaslighting comments about how women exaggerate gym creeps problem and how no one cares about you in the gym (unless you're wearing 'attention seeking' clothes, then apparently everybody is allowed to stare and harass you). Bullshit.

Why are men so unwilling to even entertain the idea that they might be in the wrong??

Be sure to give them negative reviews on Google Maps, Facebook, Twitter, etc.

I just went to a steam room at the Y which is coed. Older dude kept trying to talk to me. I gave a couple short responses and eventually left to wait for my bf to come in with me since I just didn't want to deal with it. When I came back (my bf was on his way) dude kept talking to me asking crazy shit “are you in high school?” “Which Y do you go to?” WTF I couldn't believe it. This is out of pocket or is it just me?

Co-ed steam room? I don't think those exist, she probably just ran into a

If you're really not an abuser then why do you have a problem with her putting together an abuser escape bag hmm sweaty

Guy in the gym presses me for wearing painted paints… 🤬 pic.twitter.com/3w85pCEEfv

— natalie reynolds (@onlynatreynolds) December 27, 2023

Only comments I've seen defending her have their onlyfans linked in their bio.

https://twitter.com/onlynatreynolds/status/1740078246203453481

A nice attempt at a defense but he's clearly wearing pants. After that, she goes for a Hail Mary which unfortunately doesn't quite make it.

https://twitter.com/onlynatreynolds/status/1740361987165696173

Refusing to take the L, she pivots.

https://twitter.com/onlynatreynolds/status/1740362872599822813

!foidmoment

A few nights ago I initiated s*x with my bf while he was on the game. We've been having issues because he's been spending a significant amount of time gaming instead of being with me. I've complained to him about it. On that night he “forgot” to turn his mic off and his friends heard us having s*x. I wouldn't have known if I didn't hear his friend jokingly saying something I said, and then looked at me with the “oh shit” look. It was so casual that it now haunts me what they said or did behind my back.

I'm having a hard time categorizing exactly what happened, it feels like sexual assault but I don't think it's right to say that.

And yeah, I let my bf have it. He's been trying to kiss my butt lately but I don't even want to look at him. Which is hard because we live together. He's been apologizing and swearing it was an accident. I don't think so because he was acting different and being really aggressive, at the time it turned me on but now looking back I feel so violated

Trust your gut. He knew. Now he's assaulted you and lied to you.

He didn't initiate the activity. So it couldn't have been that premeditated.

Doesn't matter. It's premeditated the moment he knows the mic is still on and does nothing. Also his extra masculine “aggressive” performance showing off for his little friends.

That's not how premeditation works. He could have been planning it for a while, not that one specific day. Premeditation can also be a quick decision, it means it was an intentional decision. It doesn't really matter if it was a short term or long decision anyways, it's still fricked up.

He knew. It is SA. He and his friends are trash.

Trust your instincts. It wasn't SA, but if he did it really to brag to his friends, he is an butthole...

She didn't consent to being listened to, so yes, it was sexual assault.

This is SA.

Correct - it may not be something legally recognised in all places, but ethically? She was violated, especially she FEELS violated

exactly. she never agreed tro have s*x with i don,t know how many bystanders. it,s disgusting and absolutely vile, and she was violated. also OP if you decide to leave him - and i really hope you do -, this is the kind of man that will do revenge porn. i,d suggest you try to delete every thing you have ever shared with him of a sexual nature, before doing so. he,s getting off on parading your sexual intimity to his friends and completely violating your boundaries and what,s suppposed to stay private. he will definitely do it especially if he,s angry at you for leaving him. he does not respect you. i also would not be surprised if he had taken digital material unbeknowst to you while you two were intimate together.

If he has her nudes, the friends have seen all of them already.

In general, men who play video games a lot do not make good partners.

I can forgive a thousand times. I will only trust once.

This is powerful!

Beautifully said

That's really well said and I agree.

I don't think the truth matters in this case I believe you when you say it seemed intentional and that does sound like sexual assault as he didn't get consent to do what he did...

A form of slut shaming, public humiliation and virility flexing.

"Listen to my thirsty b-word girlfriend. Interrupting me and my gaming time. I'll show her. Look how much she likes my peepee guys".

Men bond over how much they hate women.

I think he's kissing your butt not because he's sorry but because losing his in-house misogyny sponge would make him lose status in the eyes of his bros.

So fricking weird how they all kept listening to HIM having s*x. And he was putting on a show for them. They've obviously been reminiscing about that night and repeating what you said. It's a running joke between them all now.

Seems like his priorities are himself, his bros, gaming, then a very distant last priority is you. And he doesn't love you. What he did/does isn't a loving relationship.

I agree with everything you said except that I have never in my life been around any group of men who "bond over how much they hate women."...

This isn't a "not all guys" response...

Edit- I think, in a roundabout way, this is actually a "not all guys" response after reading the response to it. Sorry for the misrepresentation.

I hope you realize that all men hate women.

Her new sub is /r/FemReckoning. It has over a thousand members in 13 hours. I’ve joined and so should you. Don’t worry, it’s not trans-exclusionary or chudly in any way. /r/FemReckoning’s description explains:

Anyway, back to the reason /r/FemReckoning was founded:

Apparently yesterday there was a big thread in which people excused a m*n for not cleaning his gf’s pod, and these were men. I can’t find the thread and I searched clean and checked all of them in the past week on TwoX.

Based on OP’s post herstory, I think it was this thread though, “To The Woman Who Dumped Her Lazy G*mer Boyfriend… YOU MADE THE RIGHT CALL”. Now here’s where things get confusing. OP has a handful of comments in the thread, almost all of them are fighting with some triple digit karma account called /u/bomberbil who was heavily downvoted and jannied by the TwoX mods. All of the other thousands of comments are you-go-gurling, like dumping some loser you let nut inside you for months is an achievement and not something to be ashamed of in the first place

Bomberbil’s argument seems to hinge on the same theoreticals used by the FemReckoning woman, which is to say that if someone isn’t cleaning, it’s probably because they have health issues. She goes on about this in her FemReckoning post at length, to the point that she explains some women can’t clean because they’re allergic to mold

Select highlights from the FR announcement thread:

In the jannie pin -

Dear men: please read rule 4 and the FAQ, whatever you're planning to comment in this thread probably breaks rule 4.

Just asking cuz I'm on mobile. Is rule 4 "RELEVANCE"

Thank you

Why is it so hard to find the rules on mobile when most people use it? 🙃 reddit makes no sense sometimes

I will say your comment is irrelevant to the discussion topic. Also I'm using a third party app so it's less clear because I don't usually need to look at the rules. [-78]

Further down in the jannie-pinned comment I have no idea what happened, but I assume the scrotes got uppity because it’s just [removed], [removed], [removed] :( is there an unddit replacement yet?

I regret typing so much already bc there’s tons of nuked comment chains at the bottom of the thread but they’re completely unrecoverable

Regardless, /r/FemReckoning. Approval for year-old non-troll accounts with good faith post history only. Dust off those accounts ladies.

Requirements for posting:

no drama yet but lmfao

https://old.reddit.com/r/femreckoning/comments/13cogb9/the_hallowed_ban_hammer_has_swung/?sort=controversial

!foidmoment

OP

Boyfriend(22M) couldn't stop liking half naked pictures of other women so I(21F) posted one of myself.

Alright my (22M) boyfriend has started following a lot of instagram women. Not regular ones I don't mind those but particularly the ones in lingerie, and with their butt out. Even was watching their OF. I(21F) told him it made me uncomfortable and to stop but his response was “it's just Instagram”.. “you're doin too much”.. “it's not that serious” and he kept doing it.. well I posted some pictures of me in a g string bikini.. butt out and all, he saw it and started freakin out. Slamming doors and yelling.. He was like “ew you don't respect yourself, gurls who do that are hoes.. that's embarrassing I don't want my gf doing that bro that's weird..” and he is mad like really mad. I He told me to take it down and I said “no isn't this wat you like to see” and his response again was “you're in a relationship why would you do that..” and I said “im only postin wat you like” after i said that he started ignoring me it's been hours and honestly idc. I don't feel bad at all.. for months I was uncomfortable and asked him to stop and he couldn't so yea. Now he's a victim of a crime he participates in ☺️

Could be a bait account but

Her other posts https://old.reddit.com/user/Ok_Computer2422/submitted

My (21F) boyfriend (22M)wants a threesome.. but I feel that he wants to just frick other women. : r/relationships

I'm mentally and physically drained. : r/NarcissisticAbuse

Trying to escape the poverty cycle.. : r/internetparents

Normally I would say that's childish, but yeah no. You gave him a different perspective. I'd dig it even further, and say now other men like him can follow you, and like your pics.

This is great way to keep a man around

That's the definition of double standard in a nutshell. It's all fine and dandy (in his mind) when it's someone across the screen but as soon as it's HIS girl, it's a moral outrage.

Now these foids get it Will they learn anything from it?

Please keep us updated! I'm hoping your next BF is much more understanding!

Both of you seem insufferable.

Realest comment there.

omg, this is disgusting. where?

So, I have been seeing this guy four weeks now. Everything seemed great at first, and this was the first guy I met in a while who I felt a strong connection with. That all took a turn yesterday.

I had recently bought some leather leggings that I thought looked great on my figure. When I wore them on our date, I thought he would give me a compliment. He didn't. He's never given me a compliment on any of our dates, which I thought strange at first because normally guys will say something along the lines of I look nice, but he's never said anything like that to me, even though I have given him compliments.

Later, I asked him what he thought of my outfit and he said he didn't like it. I asked him if he liked any of the outfits I have worn. He said no. Mildly annoyed now, I asked him well what outfits does he find attractive.

He proceeded to send pictures of women with hourglass figures wearing bodycon dresses. It felt like he was telling me that my body and the way I dress wasn't good enough for him so I should completely change myself for him.

I have also grown up constantly hearing people tell me how less attractive I am than my sister. So, I am highly sensitive to people telling me they don't like the way I dress, my physical features and body.

I felt pissed off with him and asked him if I don't meet his standard of female beauty why is he even bothering with me then because I don't plan to change how I dress or style myself for him. He responded with a facepalm emoji.

Now I have conflicting feelings. On the one hand, I really did like him but I feel so hurt that he doesn't seem accept me for who I am and wants me to change and conform to the Instagram model standard of beauty.

She seems pretty insecure, I feel bad for her tbh. Let's continue:

You aren't overreacting but you are kinda projecting onto him. He might not be a fan of your outfits but that doesn't he wants you to change who you are to accomadate his taste. Just because the outfits he sent you had women with body types that are different from yours didn't mean he doesn't like your body type. You asked him a question and he answered but you didn't like his answer. He could have been more careful with your feelings but this whole situation blew up quick af. You can drop him if you want but is this actually an issue? Is him being a great guy up to this point suddenly not matter because of your contrasting taste in women clothing?

Maybe I was projecting on to him, but if that was the case why didn't he just explain that to me like you did? Sending a face palm emoji felt so low-effort from him.

Dude sounds like kind of an r-slur tbh. Is he a catch?

I think he's only seeing me because he can't get dates with women more attractive than me.

He told me I was the first woman he's matched with in ages. So, now I feel he's only going on dates with me because he can't find what he's really attracted to.

I liked this guy for his personality initially, but if Reddit is supporting this guy's right to be brutally honest then I should be brutally honest too. I am actually more attractive than him because I am in shape through regular exercise whilst he has quite a lot of belly fat. He also has a receding hairline. He's admitted to me that I am the first date he's got in months. He has standards for the type of women who wouldn't look at him twice on the street.

What the frick is going on here? She's fit and got style, and wears leather leggings. She wears classy dresses, too:

I thought I do wear classy dresses. This is the type of dresses I usually wear.

The dress:

Classy!

Honestly, I'm sort of on the foids side here as insane as she is. Or, more accurately, I'm on the side that this dude must be even more r-slurred than her. Still, in summation:

Get some cats, problem solved 😎

I already have one.

Marsey wins again!

!foidmoment

Other threads

https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/16gpl4n/candidate_in_highstakes_virginia_election/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/16gs70r/virginia_election_candidate_responds_after_leak/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/rva/comments/16g7ged/va_democratic_house_candidate_performed_sex_acts/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/moderatepolitics/comments/16ggsrs/candidate_in_highstakes_virginia_election/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/16gqnsc/democratic_virginia_house_candidate_performed_sex/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/16gdiyd/virginia_democrat_candidate_posted_sex_acts_with/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1701388579765637408 thanks @BimothyX2

Virginia election candidate responds after leak of tapes showing her performing s*x acts with husband: "It won't silence me"

A candidate in a high-stakes legislative contest in Virginia had s*x with her husband in live videos posted on a pornographic website and asked viewers to pay them money in return for carrying out specific s*x acts.

Screenshots of Susanna Gibson on the website were shared with The Associated Press. The campaign for Gibson, a Democrat running for a seat in the Virginia House of Delegates in a district just outside Richmond, issued a statement Monday in which it denounced the sharing of the videos as a violation of the law and her privacy. Gibson called the exposure of the videos "the worst gutter politics."

"It won't intimidate me and it won't silence me," she said in the statement. "My political opponents and their Republican allies have proven they're willing to commit a s*x crime to attack me and my family because there's no line they won't cross to silence women when they speak up."

The Washington Post first reported the videos on Monday.

The revelation marked an explosive turn in a contest that will carry significant weight in determining the balance of power in the Virginia General Assembly. The race has attracted large amounts of spending and interest for an off-year legislative race.

Democrats control the Senate by a four-vote margin, and Republicans control the House of Delegates by the same margin, with four seats currently vacant. The parties are waging intense legislative battles as GOP rising national political star Gov. Glenn Youngkin looks to bolster his conservative agenda with full control of state government.

Gibson said that exposing the videos is "an illegal invasion of my privacy designed to humiliate me and my family." Gibson's attorney, Daniel P. Watkins, said that disseminating the videos is a violation of Virginia's revenge porn law, which makes it a crime to "maliciously" disseminate or sell nude or sexual images of another person with the intent to "coerce, harass, or intimidate."

"A criminal act has occurred here, and that's the dissemination of revenge porn by a Republican operative," Watkins told the AP.

Watkins cited a 2021 Virginia Court of Appeals ruling that found it was unlawful for a man to secretly record his girlfriend during a consensual sexual encounter even if he did not show the video to other people. The court found that consent to being seen is not the same as consent to being recorded.

Gibson, 40, a nurse practitioner and married mother of two young children, won a Democratic primary in June and is running against Republican businessman David Owen in one of the most competitive districts in the state.

"I'm sure this is a difficult time for Susanna and her family, and I'm remaining focused on my campaign," Owen said in a statement.

A top-ranking Virginia Democrat immediately came to Gibson's defense after the videos were reported by the Post. "Now we are going to make this the biggest fundraising day of her campaign," Sen. L. Louise Lucas wrote on social media.

Garren Shipley, a spokesman for Republican House Speaker Todd Gilbert, did not immediately respond to a request seeking comment.

Gibson and Owen are competing in the 57th District, an area that includes suburbs of Richmond in both Henrico and Goochland counties. The district chose Youngkin by a 51.2%-to-48.3% margin in 2021, but in the 2022 congressional midterm elections, the split in the district was 50% Democratic to 49.1% Republican.

Gibson has said the U.S. Supreme Court's 2022 decision overturning Roe v. Wade propelled her into the race.

Gibson had an account on Chaturbate, a legal website where viewers can watch live webcam performances that feature nudity and sexual activity, according to the screenshots reviewed by the AP. The videos show Gibson and her husband, John David Gibson, having s*x and at times looking into the camera and asking viewers for donations in the form of "tokens" or "tips" to watch a private show.

Chaturbate videos are streamed live on that site and are often archived on other publicly available sites, the Post reported. More than a dozen videos posted under Gibson's Chaturbate username were archived on one of those sites — Recurbate — in September 2022, the month after she announced her candidacy. The most recent were two videos archived on Sept. 30, 2022. It is unclear when the livestream occurred.

The top choices of lies that men tell women that infuriates women are:

1. Once he has a child, he'll be forced to grow up.

2. "The relationship will work if you just try harder!" from Long TDS sufferer /u/kittykowalski

3. "Women don't get along."

4. “I want a submissive gf/wife” he says when he can't even lead his own darn life || this one is from fauxmoi poster /u/ditovontease who has accumulated half a million karma in a few years by posting to subs like /r/30plusskincare and /r/AdvancedAstrology

5. “You'll want children one day” by /u/rosegoldfern who just posted a thread 30 minutes ago seething about age gaps, in between posts about Monster High dolls and children's television shows.

6. An actually valid one at #6 with “You don't like this sexual act because you haven't tried it with me yet." although this is invariably correct when it's said.

7. Whenever they try to tell me I'll end up living alone with only my cats for company like that's a bad thing 😂 B-word, that's what I aspire for my life || Basic literacy indicates that this is a true statement, as she literally says it is, so????

8. “I don't know how to use a washing machine you have to show me” which seems to be a constant refrain in TwoX threads to the point where I'm actually starting to believe that there are scrotes who say this? !fellas is this true?

9. Man with blue balls: “You have to help, it hurts!” || Also not a lie? Do the women misunderstand their own thread or am I out of touch and missing some slang here or

10. This is actually nowhere near as interesting or funny as I thought it would be and I realized that very quickly. But I need dramashekels for vaccines so I'd appreciate it a lot if you pretended this was a really good thread and upvoted it anyway please.

here’s a reminder that being found not guilty doesn’t mean he’s innocent. https://t.co/JNAX0v4BGS

— jess🩵 (@jessx173) July 14, 2023

Context: Man City footballer Benjamin Mendy was found not guilty for raping 5 women back in January, with that jury failing to reach a verdict on two additional charges. Today, a new jury has cleared him of those as well.

Linked tweet:

Additional tweets:

https://twitter.com/antifamouss/status/1679863768505892871

https://twitter.com/ajulestale/status/1679861980528558082

Reddit discussions:

/r/unitedkingdom

/r/soccer

/r/MFCC

Addendum:

/u/jackedtradie has been making troll comments on /r/uk since forever and he gets seething replies every time

This is the problem with innocent until proven guilty. Men like this get away with whatever they want.

this is the original twox thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/16hll0e/im_unsure_if_i_should_tell_my_boyfriend_this?sort=controversial

even that thread is not that supportive of her

I don't see anything wrong. She didn't cheat on him. And she told him the truth. He has a right to not want to date her. Seems like they both behaved reasonably.

I mean she acted irresponsibly if her attention was to keep that guy. She couldn't close the shop down for 2 months while scouting a potential life partner? Seriously?

Personally that wouldn't bother me.

Technically if they weren't exclusive, she wasn't cheating. Was it implied at any point?

To me if neither party declared themselves to be exclusive I don't really see what the issue is here. Non-exclusivity to me means you're able to meet up with other people for a date, and yes, to frick your friend with benefits. I would presume the other person is doing the same, and if they aren't that's their prerogative. Once you're exclusive, if not once the relationship starts to get more serious, people tend to cut off the fwb and stop casually seeing other people.

You don't have to declare normality

And how is normality being defined? Seems like casual dating is now practically married levels of exclusivity.

>I wanted to build slowly with this man

that doesn't really sound like casual dating

I really don't get this "exclusive" nonsense? is it a particularly American thing or am I just too old?

I would never tell someone I'm going exclusive with them because I would always be exclusive with them. If I'm dating someone then I'm dating just that one person, I'm not at a sampling smorgasbord, trying everything all at once. that's just being slutty, whatever your gender is...

From the point of asking someone out and going on a first date to the point where we agree that we're not a thing, I would automatically and only be with that one person... is that not reasonable?

Slut shaming bs aside, that's all fine and dandy. Your experience does not correlate with a vast majority of adults. You're in an exclusive relationship with someone the moment you meet them for the first time? If someone said that to me at one point a first date I would leave immediately. Creep behavior

>You're in an exclusive relationship with someone the moment you meet them for the first time

Why are we assuming poster is a she?

Name of the subreddit (twoX)

POLL:

Was she cheating

YES - 272 votes

NO - 41 votes