dnd heroes drama has resurfaced once again
So you agree? The only reason abled people want disabled people to be cured ASAP is because they're "a liability", pretty much treating people like tools who need to prove their worthiness to exist by providing? https://t.co/5UyWdqETgA pic.twitter.com/UvMI7O8nSZ
— give me kynesis (@marysunshine_7) March 18, 2024
Once thought a meme, now an actual talking point for leftoids (I even seen one unironically post making a wheelchair dnd thing on heroesforge).
It's that thing once again, leftoids are trying to push a certain thing in a fantasy hobby that fits their political worldview of idealism that usually makes no sense and requires even more suspension of disbelief than roleplaying in a magic land with dragons and unicorns.
WHEEL 
CHAIR ACCESSIBLE DUNGEONS
WHERE IS THE ADA ON THIS?
Anyway there is plenty of "right wing extremist" dunking on the thread, so I picked some replies/subthreads from lefties since those are more interesting to read.
They WILL pull their weight because they ARE heroes, simple as that.
Complete with PF card for said wheelchair
Some friendly fire:
https://x.com/StrixObscuro/status/1769843234568638931
Few more choice pearlclutching.
https://x.com/OddishHime/status/1769994460786499808
https://x.com/AquamarineFB/status/1769858783075766663
Last time I read a thread on this I think the "adventureres wheelchair" I saw was something that basically couldn't be broken unless there were two crits against it, which makes you wonder why not every wagon and vehicle was made with this cheap wheelchair technology. These people can't even design something with some risk because they're so afraid of losing so they need an invulnerable wheelchair.
And why even a wheelchair? Learn to levitate or something. If you're a wheelchaired martial character just go home 
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You can't tell me playing a spellcasting cripple being pushed around by a lobotomized orc wouldnt be rad
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Why be pushed around when you could ride piggyback?
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Yeah, that would be cool. But they don't want wheelchairs like that.
They want wheelchairs that are unbreakable (cause the evil DM would destroy it QQ) and being able to float up-/down stairs (it should not have the disadvantages of what a wheelchair brings) and they should have full movespeed.
The concept of magical wheelchair is r-slurred. It has so much magical power that it doesn't need to be a wheelchair. Chose something cooler, like a cloud or a throne. Or if you really want a normal wheelchair to be pushed by an orc - then it has all the normal ups/downs of a wheelchair.
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This is a problem with speculative fiction in general. Take robots, for instance. There's basically no reason to shape a machine like a human unless you're specifically trying to disguise that machine as a human. For almost any other task, there's a more efficient shape. But in any story featuring robots, the majority of them will be people-shaped.
Any tool ever designed, from spear to space shuttle, was designed that way because it was the optimal design for the purpose at hand when utilizing the resources available. Add magic or super science to the mix, and you've fundamentally changed the resources available, which changes the design in turn. But no one ever considers that. Too much effort, I guess.
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90% of magical settings should have had the Industrial Revolution already, with magic taking the place of the steam engine
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Just play Arcanum
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Arcanum has an actual Industrial Revolution. I mean a world where magic is treated as a revolutionary technology in and of itself
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That's a cool idea
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Eberron is calling.
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The other reason is if you already have a bunch of stuff that's designed to be navigated and interacted with by humans, and you don't want to redesign everything for your robots.
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In that case, why not just build the robot into the existing machine as a program or hardware upgrade, rather than building a second physical machine to use the first machine as an external operator? And even if we're talking about something that's both old enough that a modern program or hardware upgrade couldn't be inserted into it and would require so many resources to replace it that building a second machine to operate the first makes more sense than building a second machine to replace the first, the operation process would have to somehow require the same legs, torso, arms, neck, and head as a human. That's so specific. You really can't eliminate or alter any of those for increased efficiency?
Then again, in a magitek setting like Dungeons & Dragons, I suppose that hyperspecificity is possible. You'd just need a really annoying god or multiple ancient precursor civilizations stacked on top of each other or something. But in sci-fi settings, especially hard sci-fi settings? Ridiculous. At least, in a realism sense.
Which is why I don't care too much about this when it comes to actual stories. They're not being written by and for Moon Men from the 31st century, they're being written by and for Earth Men in the here and now. Being unrealistic is fine, so long as you don't make your whole fricking "brand" about how realistic your shit is. But since this thread is about the logic (and lack thereof) behind world-building in role-playing games, I figured I'd point it out.
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If only you could put that energy into your relationships
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The human body is a lot more efficient than you are giving it credit for brother. Your entire thing about "everything is a hrckin human robot" is also not even true, mainstream shit like Star Wars has purpose built bots that are not humanoid, and humanoid bots for humanoid functions.
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All of these problems are solved by the orc. He can carry the chair up the stairs if need be, and carry you if it breaks but u lose a lot of storage spots (the player would need spell scrolls or smth to cast) as a debuff
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At this point just have the mind controlled orc carry the caster around.
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Thats no fun
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A buckbroken orc. You're gay r*pe slave.
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They'd want the orc to be unbreakable as well. Otherwise you just kill the orc and leave the cripple downstairs.
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It's part of the debuff.
My cripple character is called Wheeliam the Wise
He's atrophied to the point he can barely talk, an incurable disease has made him age at twenty times the normal rate, to the point he's often mistaken for a corpse.
All of his spells must be cast from scrolls, he must constantly roll for control over his orc tardwrangler. He must use a spell to communicate with the rest of the party
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All far more interesting than the 'ableists won't let me take a wheelchair into the forest' types. Willy Two Wheels actually sounds interesting.
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It's WHEELIAM THE WISE
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I've never played DnD, but it sounds like actually inhibited wheelchair options could be interesting from what I know. But it sounds like they either want super wheelchairs or
inhibited wheelchairs.
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SimpsonsDota 2 did itJump in the discussion.
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