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Discussion about stealthing and when you should disclose

There's another post on the front page about a trans woman destroying the motel room of her date after he found out that she was trans. I'd like to have an informed discussion itt about it.

First, I would like to consider the question -- When should you disclose? There's no obvious answer, but it should probably be before you get to the bedroom. It's difficult because it can be hard to find a good time, and if you're drunk and just OK'ing thru dialogue you can end up pretty far before you realize that you should probably disclose. Also, when I'm drunk I'm not thinking about things like that, it's more of "oh he's cute" and then trying to flirt with him. I'm just trying to be happy and be social rather than worry about disclosing that im trans. Being trans takes a backseat to the warm and fuzzy feeling that drunkenly talking to cute guys provides.

Then there's the "wE cAn AlWaUs TeLl". Chuds always say this, but it's just straight-up wrong. Consider -- if this statement was true, you shouldn't have to disclose, because the guy already knows! But in reality, if you don't say something super explicit like "I'm trans and I have a peepee" there will STILL be men who think you're cis and get surprised down the line.

Finally, I'd like to address the fact that trans people don't like the fact they are trans. The only thing a trans girl ever wanted was to be just a girl, and as such whenever a guy is being flirty there's this dark temptation to go along without disclosing in order to appease that inner desire. The weak-willed will readily cave to such desires. I wish that people would understand that being trans is just part of the vast diversity of the human experience, and to not be mad or surprised when you find out that someone is trans. But that isn't the world that we live in (at least for now). Our curse is that we may taste the fruit, but never dare swallow it.

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IDK how you can't clock a :marseypasschingchong: I've seen a number due to uni and general work and even those who "pass" can still be discerned by the face shape, hairline and neck appearance. Usually they have the manly neck where it goes in, idk what it's called but its this shit https://i.rdrama.net/images/1700419025207098.webp

or they look generally unattractive.

I've seen probably one passing :marseytrain: who was a jap with exceptional luck in face shape.

ftms pass slightly more though in that I can tell they don't want to be women, usually. One in uni would wear really exposing clothing, at one point it was this "dress" that covered the body but you could see the underwear.

Honestly though behavior is the top way to clock. A :marseypooner: is clocked from how soft they act, apologetic and usually meek even when trying to act tough. A :marseytroon: in how overly "feminine" some of them will act that's uncanny or from how much they still just act like normal dudes. Not even close to the way a normal chick trying to act like a bro would act

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Unless they go to an absolutely incredible surgeon and spend a ton of money, there's just a part of all of us that can instinctually tell. I actually got baited into a bumble date with one who clearly did all that and the second they walked into the bar I clocked it lol, it was so fricking akward. Now, I'm zooming in on every foids face in their pics before I go on a date because they're on the apps and they mostly are not disclosing

It's almost like, as animals, it's important for us to easily discern between the sexes for reproduction.

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editing photos is very easy, not even just :marseytrain2:s do it normal chicks do to which is why I don't use apps. Well that and how all girls on the apps are usually horrible quality discard girls

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