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You've already lost if your 12 year old is on birth control
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arent there legitimate reasons still though? like excessive period-related pains or other shit from what i know of
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Most legit reason: teens be horny, dumb and shouldn't be supervised 24/7. If the daughter doesn't go insane from the hormones I'm for it. One REALLY does not want a preggo teen. But excessive pain exists too, I guess.
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Yup there's no physiological need for women to have menstrual cycles and birth control just regulates everything instead of them going through a massive rollercoaster of hormones skyrocketing every month.
Example A, all "natural" cycle:
Example B, on birth control:
While it increases risks for some stuff just having periods equally increase your risk for all kinds of shit like endometrial/uterine cancers or whatever because of the increased cellular turnover so it's all a balancing act and the tradeoffs are equivalent unlike crisscrossing with more-or-less gender specific hormones.
As these are problems unique to biological women comparing taking estrogen/progesterone combinations to doing testosterone for girls is r-slurred. Its so r-slurred in fact I suspect this meme was actually made by a transphobe to troll r-slurred trans people.
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Did you make that second chart in paint?
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probably, i'm pretty sure it's incorrect. birth control pill regimens include placebo pills to periodically tank levels and induce a period
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yeah kind of but it's accurate as far as how long term prophylaxes actually functions like the depo shot or hormonal types of IUDs(I think) or the arm implants etc.
https://www.whoop.com/us/en/thelocker/sleep-coach-menstrual-cycle/
This is what it looks like when you take the off week because people are dumb
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why did you put "natural" in quotes
eve & dough an MTF substituting estrogen for testosterone massively reduces her risk for prostate/testicular cancers
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Back in the day it was used as a treatment for testicular/prostate cancer to shrink the testes to reduce testosterone production but that was once the cancer was already active. No one was using it as a cancer preventative and it's not even used as a treatment nowadays cause of the sheer amount of negative side effects. Actually it's not even clear if estrogen doesn't just actually increase your risk of prostate cancer.
In biological males estrogen increases body fat, increases your risk for DVTs, decreases your bone mass, and is associated with higher levels of anxiety and depression. This is why the actual preventative for testicular and prostate cancer is just snipping the poor boomer's balls off lmao.
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I never said estrogen treats prostate cancer lol, i said substituting it for testosterone massively reduces prostate cancer risk. Over 10% of men get prostate cancer, and one study found just a single case of prostate cancer among 2,306 transgender women receiving routine health care at a clinic in Amsterdam, Holland, between 1975 and 2006. Another study, also from Holland, detected six cases of prostate cancer among 2,281 transgender women over 17 years. It seems that case studies of trans women with prostate cancer all involve people who started transitioning in their 50s or later.
Interesting how with the exception of DVTs, everything you described is also true of women.
Sounds like what you're describing is trans women on estrogen ceasing to be "biological males" 
The only criticism of merit here is Deep Vein Thrombosis, and there is great suspicion amongst transkind that DVT a risk factor limited primarily to use of conjugated and oral estrogens. See this write up for research citations.
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One risk goes down, another goes up. Nobody cares about that. People do care about the lifelong irreversible physiological changes taking feminizing or masculinizing hormones will have downstream psychologically and there's no good evidence of benefit whatsoever unfortunately. All current evidence does not even "graduate" to the level of baby-does-science stuff like antidepressants (which barely rise above the waterline of being overtly harmful in a lot of cases counterbalanced by massive successes) where as hormonal therapy for trans kids has enough evidence to demonstrate the opposite, which is in fact overt harm. That's why they revoked it in some of those pioneering European countries.
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Literally every euro statement revoking access had been them shrugging their shoulders and stating the evidence isn't strong enough to justify them spending their commie bucks on it, and continuing to allow it in clinical trials. The idea that overt harm has been demonstrated is pure chud fantasy
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nah given the way the studies are structured if you have to lie to show no harm then it defaults to harm. the entire evidence sphere around it is a giant circlejerk of incestual self-referencing and self-validating results as in "look its right because I found a study that says its right and we counted that data to even though the methodology is bunk and theres be no independent verification or replication blah blah blah" and then that study gets cited by the next one until its just one chain of garbage and in medicine theres a saying about this kind of thing called GIGO - garbage in - garbage out.
Here's the post I did with an overview of a recent comprehensive look at the methodological flaws and stuff:
https://rdrama.net/post/193924/marseydoctortalking-doctors-rise-up-new-marseytrain
or direct link to the MD discussion thread with real doctors discussing:
https://old.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/15hhliu/the_chen_2023_paper_raises_serious_concerns_about
Now with the WPATH demonstrating it's been operating with perverse incentives (although that comes as no surprise) there really is no more ivory towers for the theory of trans medicine/hormonal treatments to retreat to or cherry pick.
I don't mean to sound rude but I'm a proponent of science-based medicine and trans medicine for psychological issues does not have the science or evidence. Hippocratic oath says first do no harm, secondly do good. There's no proof of doing good and increasing proof of harm. We went through all this in medicine with positive publication bias and the good work of John Ioannidis nearly twenty years ago already:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Most_Published_Research_Findings_Are_False
get with the program already girl
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The big flaw with the Chen study is how they handled suicidality: Why did they exclude people with acute suicidality? Given what we know about suicidal ideation among dysphorics, this exclusion creates a sampling bias that pushes people willing to initially report suicidality and risk grippy socks out of the study. I seriously doubt 0 of the participants had ideation coming into the study and i seriously doubt only 11 of 315 participants had ideation coming out of it. Many trans people are hestitant to disclose comorbid issues because they know it is often used as ammunition to deny treatment, and when the data point starts at 0, the only direction the data can go is up.
The Chen study suggested a improvement on a number reported QoL measures -- the primary criticism listed is that the effects aren't enough compared to 8 & 12 week placebo effects for anti-depressants. For one thing, that's much shorter than the length of the Chen study, and i doubt that the efficacy of placebos would be as high over a tineframe of multiple years. For another thing, anti-depressants have some of the strongest placebo effects in medicine -- the comparison might be apt for a dysphoria drug designed to directly suppress dysphoria on the mental level, but GAH changes a person physically as well as mentally. How do you think a hypothetical placebo cohort might react when they realize that not only are they not getting the physical changes they expected, but in fact they've been deceived and things are actively getting worse?
Furthermore, this study did not take place in a vacuum. The recruting lasted from 2016-2019, +2yr to wrap everyone up means the individuals in the study went through:
Trump banning them from the military
JK Rowling beginning her descent into TDS
The beginning of a stream of state-level anti-trans legislation and rhetoric
Countless parents, teachers, and young peoples agreeing with and amplifying this rhetoric and going out of their way to bully trans people online & IRL
COVID lockdowns. Research indicates mental health resource usage increased by 18% in areas that underwent lockdowns, and all 4 clinical sites were in blue state urban areas.
In other words, we can reasonable assume many study participants essentially got locked away from normal human socialization and were targeted by a massive bullying campaign from public figures and online ideologues, all while their liberal-leaning parents with TDS catastrophized about how the country is ruled by literally Hitler. And despite all this, the results still came back with a small but significant improvement
. It's actually incredible they didn't spiral into misery 
Regarding the Tordoff study, our redditor friend is misreading the data. For one thing, the table he's pulling from contains the full sample, of which 13.5% are legally adults.
s who start at 18 are often doing so because their families are unsupportive and face major barriers to successful treatment. Since he's pulling raw data, family support is not controlled for. And "tension with caregivers" was a major, statistically significant risk factor for depression in this study even among 13-17yos, so the data he's trying to fashion a seperate conclusion from is completely poisoned. The study itself finds that GAH is associated with a statistically significant 0.47 risk multiplier in suicidality/self-harm, a 53% reduction. Though N<100 so probably not worth much.
For contrast try this study with N=27,715 that found that GAH is associated with lower suicidality, and GAH as a minor is associated with lower suicidality than starting GAH as an adult https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35020719/
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I read through it all
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Knowing women but knowing nothing about women's anatomy, I intuitively feel it's all an excuse and that shit is super rare.
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Using ultra fringe cases to push your ideas and present them as normal is always based and dramapilled
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God intended that you writhe in pain on a regular basis, you are defying God's creation by mutilating your body with unnatural hormones
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This but unironically. Period pain is canonically God's curse for woman's wickedness. Finding ways around that is a sin in itself
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canonically the earth is 6,000 years old and snakes can talk so
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Doctors enabling women to be weak starting at puberty smh
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It also helps with acne, skin issues, prettier hair and weight. Its really good for anything really.
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Taking HBC for aesthetic reasons is like taking steroids so women will want you. Either way you're risking a world of hurt for some mild cosmetic benefits.
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