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The argument is that while it's possible to argue for some entity in Tolkien's cosmos to be known to be "transgender" due to a corruption of their nature, whether or not their "transgenderness" is inherently a quality of their nature or a corruption of their nature is inscrutable to all but the entity themselves and possibly Ilรบvatar, but that even if some other entity perceives it to be due to corruption, that per Ilรบvatar (or this narrator's representations of the words of Ilรบvatar, being the narration given by Pengolodh), that such is mere perception, and that ultimately all that which Men do translates to the completion and perfection of the work.

That Men (those of the race of Men) have a necessary inherent quality which redeems them and their actions, a part of their nature which they express (and which, in our parlance, no one can judge). Even the Creator refuses to condemn it - only celebrates it.

And IMNSHO Pengolodh (the narrator) is Tolkien's self-insert for the purpose of narration.

So "trans people don't exist / aren't valid" isn't an argument from axioms in the universe of Middle Earth. That's related to, but separate from, "here's a trans person in Middle Earth", which to my knowledge isn't in evidence. I want to be argued away from that / be proven wrong.


I wrote the analysis because using Tolkien's Middle Earth to say "Tolkien says trans rights" is using his cosmos as an allegory, which he alternately declaims and claims (the "it's not an allegory to WWII" claim and the "It's the story of Christianity in an alternate universe" claim - both detailed elsewhere). So it's a viable avenue of argumentation - if he's going to deconstruct and then orthogonalise the precepts of Christianity into an alternate history, then we can deconstruct and orthogonalise the precepts of that cosmogony back to ours.


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This subreddit was banned due to a violation of Redditโ€™s content policy against harassing content.

Uhh reporting lawbreaking is now "harassment"??

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Lately I've been going around punching women in the stomachs and then reporting them for abortion in order to make bank, so I think my experience would be great for this sub.

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The one day I decide to actually work instead of screwing around on the job, I miss this massive seethefest. Frick.

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The normies are finding it and actually taking the bait. Theyโ€™re so fricking dumb lmao

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I'll link the donald poes law in full effect.

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Gone too soon ๐Ÿ˜ž

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Gone but definitely not forgotten.

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lol banned

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70 upbortions

500 views

5 posts on the sub

It wonโ€™t work if you all just sit here and gossip, make some shit up!

Also who the frick is downvoting it all? Have some normal people find their way there already or what?

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Also message me if you wanna be a mod Iโ€™m pretty lazy but the potential for seethe is there

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Letโ€™s try it again but less on the nose. โ€œTexas Life Advocatesโ€ or something along those lines. Less heavy handed stuff, more sneed posting about how Janice from your church groupโ€™s daughter is gonna get her comeuppance.

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We should tell 2xchromosones and femaledating to see the reaction lol

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Would someone with a good alt crosspost the meme I posted to r/therightcantmeme preferably referencing the fact that the pic is of "monsters" or something? https://old.reddit.com/r/TXBountyHunters/comments/pgnt07/lets_goooooo/?utm_medium=android_app&=&sort=controversial;utm_source=share

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It's deleted. Use Imgur, never upload to Reddit directly

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Mods deleted it, so I deleted off my profile. Here's the imgur http://imgur.com/a/VbP5G20

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Oh yeah this is gonna piss some people the frick off

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Banned :(

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TRANS MEN ABORTING THEIR CHILDREN ARE MEN

In the name of equality, I will only go hunt an authentic XX-man getting an abortion.

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inb4 reddit bans a community for committing to the law and abandons the principles they've been pretending to adhere to for the sake of AHS yet again.

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Just got banned lmao.

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On what grounds? The sub did absolutely nothing ban worthy

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"This subreddit was banned due to a violation of Redditโ€™s content policy against harassing content."

It sucks because it had just started to get noticed and flooded by seethers.

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Yeah I was having a blast

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LMFAO YESSSS THIS IS THE ONE!!

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Woah fella! None of that "make_pepe_dank_again" nonsense! We're tryin to run a legitimate all-American business here. Such a username risks attracting the wrong kind of attention, if you get what I mean.

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Well post the meme again at least

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Some people here are genuinely stupid

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some

I have news for you.

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Yea I removed that, too obvious

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That law is so weird. I donโ€™t get why you can sue someone that you have not been personally harmed by.

Can Oklahoma now make obesity legal and then allow random people to sue McDonaldโ€™s for enabling a fat person that they saw on the street?

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That law is so weird. I donโ€™t get why you can sue someone that you have not been personally harmed by.

It's because the gubbmint can't block abortions, but apparently they can deputize everyone else in the world to be a lawsuit-mob to block abortions or something.

I dunno, burger courts are r-slurred is all I take from it.

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The principle behind this law was pioneered by leftcels who wanted to be able to sue companies polluting because they thought the EPA was not doing its job. Ralph Nader is literally 100% to blame here.

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I mean, is that a bad idea? Seeing a fat person on the street harms my eyes more than some foid offing her offspring harms my anything.

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But you canโ€™t sue the fattie.

You can only sue the places where they eat

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Can Oklahoma now make obesity legal and then allow random people to sue McDonaldโ€™s for enabling a fat person that they saw on the street?

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Rightoids will accidentally lead us to having a affordable healthcare thanks to fattiecide

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It was the Wuhanese and it wasn't accidental

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I'm in. Please consider giving 10% of the $10 000 to charity ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™.

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We need a PSA reminding people to tithe 10% of their bounties to Church ๐Ÿ™

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Frick, i need a leftoid alt for purppuses of bait. But yeah will do

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Larp as a cowboy bounty hunter lol

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Someone should make a post putting a bounty on there neighbor who the suspect is about to have an abortion at 7 weeks

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Just keep her in the basement for 6 weeks after the

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Don't forget to post a screenshot of it in r/frickthealtright too!

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Shame it'll be banned in like 3 days

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Tbf the union thing is still alive. The joke sint mind you, but the sub is.

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Banned a minute ago.

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Try 6 hours lol. It's already been gigajannied

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  1. Set up a GoFundMe for the "legal fees" to sue Reddit

  2. Freeze peach Boomers give all their Trump donation leftovers

  3. Easy rightoid grifting

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Tbf the union thing is still alive. The joke sint mind you, but the sub is.

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โ€œIf the barista at Starbucks overhears you talking about your abortion, and it was performed after six weeks, that barista is authorized to sue the clinic where you obtained the abortion and to sue any other person who helped you, like the Uber driver who took you there,โ€ said Melissa Murray, a law professor at New York University.

Remember Gunslingers, not only are the rancid baby-killer wretches to be brought to justice, so is everyone that helped her do the heinous act! (helping is up to the Gunslinger's interpretation obviously)

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I hope I can sue the barista for not reporting it first.

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The law of God and the law of the Great state of Texas go hand in hand. I plan on donating my bounty proceeds to the Greek Orthodox Seminary in Boston to grow our great church, spread the blessings of the lord, and Baptiste the babies that are saved.

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Ya know I've never thought about it till now, but do they change the water between baptisms? Dunking crying snotty infant faces into the same pool of stagnant water sounds like a great way to spread cholera. Or make sure they don't grow up allergic to oxygen, who can say

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The only reasonable move with that is the rona special. Water gun baptisms.

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It depends on the church. In the Greek church typically the baptismal font is filled with regular water then holy oils from Constantinople are added and the whole mixture is blessed. After the child is baptised the water will drain into the ground below the church, since it's already been blessed and it's holy ground.

No clue how those fricking papists do it.

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Didnโ€™t know Byzies called Catholics Papists, thought it was just a Prot thing

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Haga sofia

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Where's the reality show with Dogg the Bounty Hunter running around investigating random women for abortions and pepper spraying them?

Go with Christ, brother

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Oh my god I want to see that reality TV bastard shot down so badly.

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I'M THE DOG THE BIG BAD DOG

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Trans Lives Matter :D

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Lmao you're going to get some seethe. Republicans are about to experience a very large backlash. There are few issues that mobilize the left like abortion does.

There's a reason the GOP slammed those voter suppression bills before this.

I'm now much less worried about 2022. On top of that, the SC has made it certain they will be gutted in the future.

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Neighbor no one even knows how the system works. You really think people would have willingly voted ro raise taxes, triple gas prices, destroy the border and give up Afghanistan?The whole reason trump lost was uninformed gaslit voters. Also that's barely even true. It's almost exactly dead even.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx

Even if people won in 2022 (imagine voting) that wouldn't change the scotus ruling and biden already proved he can't legally gut scotus. He clearly would have already if he could. Also this is a double edged sword. If you gut scotus somehow reds are going to go fricking ballistic. Also also also Alabama has had a similar week law on the books for years. There's like 3 abortion clinics in all of Alabama.

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At some point, you're going to have to realize that the shit you read on Breitbart is not reality, and you not being able to understand how things work does not mean others do not understand how thinks work.

Trying to cherry pick Gallup and ignore polling averages is even more evidence you do not know what you are talking about.

Biden alone can't gut scotus, the senate and house and the WH together can in fact gut scotus.

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Gallup is the best pollster on the planet. You also didn't debunk anything. All I did was google pro life vs pro choice and gallup appears first on the list. It's the definitive poll result on every search engine. Your assertion also ignores state nuance. Even if the country is more pro choice that's irrelevant as there's a shitload of people in NY and CA skewing the numbers. The laws go by state. In most red states the average is pro life. Only 12 states fund abortion meaning 38 of them + puerto rico would probably ban it if legally possible. If not for roe v wade which is considered one of the worst legal cases in history by scholars that would probably be the case. Heck the woman who cased this cause to occur spent her entire life trying to undo it only to die alone and changing it futile.

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give up Afghanistan

B-word all I heard from you r-slurs for the last four years was how Dems are warmongers and glorious Taco Bowl King was going to get us out of the sandbox. Well, your boi wouldn't pull out, but Big Joe doesn't mind sloppy seconds, and if he leaves a mess dribbling down her leg, well so be it.

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Trump actually did try but it has to go through congress and he got blocked by neocons and dems. He wanted a full withdraw from like 5 countries. The problem is trump had an actual plan, not literally leave 15k americans do die and not tell the fricking afghan gov and then also want to send the taliban aid.

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1684129407429918.webp

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I thought Trump did try to pull out? Makes sense since he did it in Syria

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DDR signed an agreement with the Taliban to leave, but he didn't actually leave. Why not? Probably because he knew it would be a messy shitshow.

The President is commander-in-chief and can [mostly] do whatever he wants with the military, which is why it's rslurred to say he was "blocked" by congress.

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It will take 18 years for the flux of unaborted foid babies to grow up to be foids themselves and vote out the roids, but in the meantime all babies will be saved.

TRANS FETUSES ARE FETUSES

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Trans Lives Matter :D

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Most of the country supports abortion. The GOP has been tricking moderates for years by pretending they aren't gunning for abortions.

Imagine the SC just let a state ban guns. That is what just happened. The left will be incredibly active in the 2022 midterms now, which increases the chances dems hold congress.

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tricking moderates for years by pretending

Are you in a different reality than the rest of us? There has been no pretending like, ever.

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Idk about a different reality, but I probably have a deeper understanding of GOP political strategy.

The GOP heavily depends on the courts striking down their more unpopular stances so they can continue to dangle them in front of the base.

The GOP on a local level, in moderate areas, also runs heavily propaganda claiming abortion is settled law and anyone claiming they want to ban abortion is "hysterical" etc etc.

You can see an example of this moderate republican strategy being deployed by Susan Collins when she voted to confirm Brett:

https://washingtonpost.com/powerpost/abortion-collins-supreme-court-kavanaugh/2021/09/02/b6de0b98-0bfa-11ec-a6dd-296ba7fb2dce_story.html

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Maybe I just don't consider politicians saying blatantly false, easily verifiable shit to their constituents "tricking" any more.

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Are you purposefully saying dumb shit to make me seethe? The abortion issue is literally as close to 50/50 as you can get on a cultural issue in the states and it's been that way for half a century.

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It's not 50-50 lol, we have exit polling showing it is not 50/50. You believe it is 50/50 is because you're neck-deep in cherry-picking.

This is about as delusional as when conservatives claim climate change is 50-50.

The only time it is near "50-50" is when you use questionable wording, when you get into the specifics - yeah sure, it's 50-50 on the question "should there be any limits at all."

But when you start asking about what kind of limitations, over 60% of the population supports the right to abortion.

And if we want to look at actual polling averages and the gold standard orgs - pew for example: https://pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/06/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases/

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oh yeah pew is so heccin valid

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exit polling, pew, other orgs, all say the same thing.

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By that logic, Texas' new law is still pro abortion since it allows it before six weeks.

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Not gonna convince anyone.

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Pizza do you seriously believe people tell the truth on exit polls? I lie to pollsters compulsively and I'm definitely not alone in doing so.

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Is this where you literally pretend all empirical data that says you're wrong is actually not valid because you have no real argument?

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No, I posted an image of a gun to my local Facebook, and now all the leftoids in my area are afraid to go vote.

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Mใ…คakes sใ…คense. Who do you support?

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Nobody rly tbh, I vote dem because I'm against conspiracy cults.

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Trans Lives Matter :D

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not go too overboard

well that's never gonna happen

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Who wants to bet over/under on how long until u/Sneed1488 posts "Advice for bounty hunting :!marseytrain:s?"

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