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:marseyobey: The article "Mass killings under communist regimes" is being considered for deletion on Wikipedia :marseyrussiadolls:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes_(4th_nomination)

I'm not familiar with wikipedia drama but it seems like the 4th attempt already?

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Delete as synthesis, and a violation of WP:NPOV policy. There is no doubt that 'communist regimes' as defined in the article have perpetrated many atrocities, but that isn't the issue. The question that needs to be asked is whether 'Mass killings under communist regimes' is a legitimate subject for an encyclopaedic article. And I would have to suggest that the article in question does little to justify that claim. A few writers have certainly seen it as a legitimate subject for discussion, but by and large, credible mainstream histography tends to neither lump all 'communist regimes' together as a subject for scrutiny when discussing 'mass killing' or to treat them as some sort of special case requiring unique analysis. Proper historiography discusses events in context, and without simplistic presuppositions that events are driven by any specific ideology. As the endless disputes on the article talk page make entirely clear, the article, and what exactly it is that it is supposed to be discussing, has long been a subject of contention amongst Wikipedia contributors. Raththan citing credible histographic sources on such subjects, the debate has instead revolved around exactly what constitutes a 'mass killing', or a 'communist regime'. Debate almost invariably focussed on contributors own arguments and opinions, since sources discussing this are sparse, and generally on the fringes of histography. It is absolutely imperative that Wikipedia covers mass killings, regardless of who perpetuates them and what their motivations were, or are, but this article, with its loaded title and its endless wars over what exactly Wikipedia contributors can or cannot include as a 'killing' is exactly the wrong way to go about it. What Wikipedia should be doing is covering, in relevant articles about specific subjects, such atrocities, sourced to mainstream academia, and written in a manner that does not spoon-feed readers over-generalising and ideologically-driven conclusions that the sources concerned do not themselves support. Let the facts about individual events speak for themselves, and let readers decide for themselves whether they wish to blame 'communist regimes' for such crimes, or to instead blame them on the broader fallibilities of a humanity that was perpetuating such atrocities long before 'communists' arrived, and may well, if a more enlightened discourse isn't available, be perpetuating similar atrocities long after such 'regimes' have gone. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Addendum to the above: a few hours ago, I wrote that "Rather than citing credible histographic sources on such subjects, the debate has instead revolved around exactly what constitutes a 'mass killing', or a 'communist regime'. Debate almost invariably focussed on contributors own arguments and opinions". For further evidence of how such endless going around in circles to arrive at a synthesised compromise can't work, one only need to look at this AfD discussion, and at how it is once again going over exactly the same ground, with the same mind-numbing consequences. I might dare to suggest that even if it were theoretically possible from Wikipedia to create a policy-compliant article on the subject matter (I still contend it isn't), per common sense, and possibly WP:IAR, we should give up trying, since in practice it is never going to happen. Or at lest, not until the last 'communist' and 'anti-communist' has been long dead, buried, and forgotten. There are plenty of other topics to write about, or even to waste time arguing over, and leaving this one for future generations might be best for all concerned. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:17, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

someone shared it on /r/destiny but there's no traction: https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/r1767g/wikipedia_is_considering_removing_the_article_on/?sort=controversial

Article being considered for deletion - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes (https://archive.ph/Q94AY)

Deletion discussion page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes_(4th_nomination) (https://archive.md/dxBwv)

strange to see such a detailed article tabled for deletion :marseyhmm:

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You're actually eunuchs, not "transexuals." You can not transcend your s*x or alter it in any way, it is inherent, even for individuals who are born genetically or physically deformed and termed intersex. Eunuchs are an imposed quisling class whose primary purpose is to humiliate and administer over conquered populations. This "artificial third s*x" acts as a buffer for those with actual power, a clown to hide who holds the crown. For the eunuchs themselves, they trade their loyalty to the biological and organic structures of life, such as family, for political ones, sometimes this is termed "Bioleninism." This is why the USG is now so dead set on exporting its culture of eunuchry as a social issue, because its existence is simply a mark of the USG's dominance. This was true in the old East and the Ottoman empire, we see it happening now with such ridiculous figures as Dr. Richard Levine, the jew, the s*x pervert, the entity.

Snapshots:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/r1767g/wikipedia_is_considering_removing_the_article_on/?sort=controversial:

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https://archive.ph/Q94AY:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes_(4th_nomination):

https://archive.md/dxBwv:

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Any rightoid that has a problem with this can frick off back to reddit. This is fricking based and a sign that people are ready to stop being held back by the fear of heavily corrupt false form of communism. The revolution is approaching. If you’re not with us, then against us.

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What false form of communism? :marseysipping:

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For example all that have ever 'existed'.

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you rn: :ragemask:

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That's me all the time

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This is imperialist propaganda, Actually Existing Socialism must be supported. Each is a true and valid dictatorship of the proletariat.

Critical support to Pol Pot.

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This is offensive to people of hunger

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All of them, comrade. Pure communism has never been attempted yet!

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All the ones that have been tried so far, but I swear to you Arthur Morgan we just need to do one last score and we can ride off into the sunset

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Those were not communism, it has never been tried but if it were think star trek

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So luxury space communism? Will it be gay?

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Which is ironic as TOS i think both had money and was extremely sexist

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the first thing communist regimes always do (try) is the communal ownership of foids

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ACAB (Commies)

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ACAB (Capitalists)

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Doesn’t really work because “capitalism” is a slur.

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ACAB (aCronym posters)

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ACAB (Centrists)

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ACAB (BIPOCs)

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Yikes, communism is a mayo invention, please do better.

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Well can we say snippy snippy to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communist_mass_killings then? Hmm? :marseydoubt:

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I don't know how they do it but somehow lefties constantly beat rightoids in the battle for the most r-slurred takes and world views

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Cope

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Nice, I'll drink to that

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Why would an anarchist get excited about this? :marseyconfused:

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They were told they'd be have nice rabbit farm as soon as the revolution was done

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I am in favor of deleting because the article is 311,074 bytes large. If it gets deleted then a lot of wikijannies have wasted their time editing it

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To be fair, their time is probably worthless so they won't have wasted any.

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This is the correct take but only after they appealed to Arbcom for the third time after 300,000 long discussions in the Discussion pages

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Remember the correct talking points for maximum rightoid/leftoid seethe --> 1)"Germany had the biggest economy in Europe in 1910 and Russia was only slowly industrializing under the Tsar", 2)"Hitler absorbed almost all Western Europe, the most economically productive zone in the world," 3)"By 1943 USSR was out-producing the Reich 10-1 in war materiel, Hitler could never even believe it was theoretically possible, all the way to the end", 4)"Communism works incredibly well, you just have to kill millions of people"

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This is why turning your entire country into a slave labor cult is based. Stop giving them feeble things such as "human rights" or "private property"

Instead tell them to work twice as hard for the everlasting jihad.

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I have a better idea

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2)"Hitler absorbed almost all Western Europe, the most economically productive zone in the world,

This is Rust Belt erasure

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4)"Communism works incredibly well, you just have to kill millions of people"

That and have the US make half your stuff for free.

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"By 1943 USSR was out-producing the Reich 10-1 in war materiel, Hitler could never even believe it was theoretically possible, all the way to the end"

You can compare production of Panzer-4 / Panzer-5 models VS T-34 models to get an idea of some circumstances surrounding that. German tanks were in general crisp, carefully engineered marvels of their time (that still broke down a lot) whilst russian tanks were comparatively crude with brute-forced parts brazen together. Added to that was the fact that germans wasted their time modelling BIGGER useless tanks (Ratte) in an effort to gain "glory" whilst russians apparently remained a bit more realistic - the end result was that germany was overrun by vastly bigger tank numbers in the end.

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wikipedia is a grifting organization with millions of dollars in excess of need that continues to sneed every year about how your $4 donation will save all the information.

For that reason alone, as it is a decades-long trend, I say everyone should use infogalactic, which does not appear to be doing this. Yet. https://infogalactic.com/info/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

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as far as wikidrama goes this is boring. And wikidrama is already pretty tedious but this is just policy whining. It’ll probably be kept. The “communism vs rightoid” angle is also boring here.

Marsey bc u unbanned ur self for the last one, this isn’t really that bad. Stop posting politics stuff pls tho. (And I bought these with my own dramacoin

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this is a repost of something from patriots dot win. Be better.

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i didn't see it there kid diddler

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Err, I did.

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If someone gives him agendaposter now he wont be able to post at all :marseytroll:

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If you give Chiobu Marsey Award he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

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Gonna try doing that tbh

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even that wikidrama over using Greyzone as a source for vuvuzuela articles was more interesting than this

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They got him.

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Pretty gay actually, Chiobu was the funniest person to give Marsey Award to for obvious reasons. Chiobu, make an alt and only post in Marseys!

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He bought the Alt-seeing eye (50k coins, minus price reduction).

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Wait how is a nested comment pinned oh God it's showing up twice in the thread how the frick does this work @Aevann help

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The neurodivergent ones are the best, like people getting mad over boring shit like Star Wars planets

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I’ve spent at least 100 hours of my life reading WP:AN/I/Talk:ARBCOM-RFC-7:Archive-7 there’s lots of gems there. This ones just rough without the diamond though

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It's impossible for a comunist revolutionaries to "massacre" anyone. :marseycomrade:

Massacres are an inherently rightoid thing according to The Dictionary; ergo the glorious revolution cannot do a massacre. Nothing has ever occurred on the 4'th of June.

Check your facts! :marseypearlclutch: :!marseytankushanka: :!marseytankushanka: :!marseytankushanka:

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Rating: True

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*nope*

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The question that needs to be asked is whether 'Mass killings under communist regimes' is a legitimate subject for an encyclopaedic article.

But pornography in Overwatch is?

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lmao I checked it up and it's real

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overwatch_and_pornography

When Blizzard made an open beta of Overwatch available on May 5, 2016, Pornhub registered a spike of 817% in searches for pornographic material related to the game.

:coomer:

Nathan Grayson of Kotaku stated that Overwatch makes for "good porn" because of its colorful cast of characters with distinct visual styles.

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In January 2017, Pornhub announced that "Overwatch" was the 11th-most search term on their website in the previous year, beating out searches for words such as "anal" and "threesome".

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various takedown notices have been issued to creators of such content.

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It’s current year plus 6, who needs threesome when we have dozens partaking in an orgy

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Futanari imagery was also popular among Pornhub users.[5][6][7]

I am pleased to see fine art is gaining due recognition :marseytea:

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When Blizzard made an open beta of Overwatch available on May 5, 2016, Pornhub registered a spike of 817% in searches for pornographic material related to the game.

OF COURSE there were more searches after the game was released than before it even existed...? :marseybrainlet:

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I love the conspiracy theory that the high-quality models were seeded by Blizzard in order to drive engagement with the game. God knows its gameplay won't.

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From what I can find, it's all very repetitive. After about the fiftieth sexmoan, you start to notice the lack of variety in gameplay.

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the view that the ideology of communism is somehow inherently violent is WP:FRINGE anti-communist POV pushing


this account is sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends

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its not inherently violent on paper its just always violent in practice check your facts

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Frick, marry, kill?

Stalin, Lenin, Mao.

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Little known fact many of these deaths were not intentional but were accidental crushings under the weight of leftoid WORDS WORDS WORDS printed on paper prior to the invention of the computer

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Lol I hope they compromise and also delete the holocaust article as well because that would be not only just for this r-sluration but cause the ultimate meltdown.

"Sure, fat redditor. I AGREE communism deaths is inflated... just like jews did with the holocaust. Let's shake hands, brother lol!"

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god I hate how people suck wikipedia editors peepee all the time. A large portion of them aren't doing it for the sake of knawledge or some dumb BS they're doin it to agendapost, whether rightoid or leftoid

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No hard feelings chiobu btw i was just curious :marseytroll:

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dont worry i know

:!marseythumbsup:

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we need our resident wikipedia drama expert @911roofer to weigh in

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They tried to delete it three tines already. Wikipedian communists are stubborn and tedious.

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They’re more terminally online than even Redditors, same thing with anarchists. The bulk of political ideology and politics articles are written by them.

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The amount of drama and general r-slurness that goes on Wikipedia is criminally unnoticed.

I would like to someone sneed some Wikicels but it’s a hugely untapped market. :marseycoin:

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it is just so hard to read all that shit in discussion and get the good drama

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Sadly :marseycrying:

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This is why I never donated to that shit site.

According to Pareto distribution, we can assume that a very small number of people contribute the majority of Wikipedia articles. And any person that would invest that much time and energy in doing work for $0.00 must be mentally challenged.

Now the question is, can you trust an article that has been written by an r-slur?

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can you trust an article that has been written by an r-slur?

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Wikipedia is proof that even if history is written by the victors the ones putting it on paper are definitely losers.

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Oh boy I need to get more into wiki drama, this is fun stuff

credible mainstream histography tends to neither lump all 'communist regimes' together as a subject for scrutiny when discussing 'mass killing' or to treat them as some sort of special case requiring unique analysis

And then most of the discussion is examples of mainstream scholars lumping communist regimes together as a subject of scrutiny when discussing mass killing and treating them as a special case requiring unique analysis

:marseypinochet:

There are chapters of recently published books dedicated to Communist atrocities during the cold war, which would be even more expansive than the current title of this article would have us include. And, it's not the true usefulness of a characterization that makes an article worthwhile, it's that a topic has drawn enough coverage as a topic (this is why we have articles like race and intelligence that have each repeatedly survived deletion efforts)

What an articulate refutation from mikehawk10, even managing to drop in a red pill attempt.

:brainletchair: :!seethejak:

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Wikipedia has turned into crap for a while. A couple of websites I prefer although one of them is still biased is https://britannica.com/ and https://infogalactic.com/info/Main_Page. Infogalactic can be quite biased, so take their articles with a grain of salt. I find them to be more informative than Wikipedia tbqh.

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g*mergate (harrassment campaign)

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this is a copy of a patriots.win comment from the same thread smh. https://patriots.win/p/140JFNjF8X/nothing-to-see-here-just-wikiped/c/

this place is turning into a rightoid boring idiot place slowly but surely.

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I don't even go on patriots.win.

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don’t have to go to r-slur.com to be an r-slur

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sounds like projection. Rightoids and leftists both hate me for not being authoritarian. I'd rather return to monke. I also don't have an intellectual disability.

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I think we should double-down on that: not only we should delete that article, we should also remove anything negative about Communism.

First, we should start by removing the Communists themselves.

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Someone should make a category for "communist regimes that didn't perpetuate mass killings". I can do that even if someone gives me one example of such :marseysmug2:

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All of Wikipedia is run by :marseytrain2:s, this is well known.

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It's not like theres an article for genocides by capitalist regimes...

theres literally 0 capitalist genocides under capitalist regimes because those dont exist. these strags are thinking of democracies

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there are only two economic systems in the world herp derp

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