Unable to load image

11 questions I wish male fantasy authors would ask themselves before publishing. : Fantasy

https://old.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/vhpsmy/11_questions_i_wish_male_fantasy_authors_would?sort=controversial

I’ve been a diehard fantasy fan all my life, but I am so constantly frustrated by series like WoT and Night Angel that simplify women or use them to make men look cooler. I wrote these a while ago and thought I’d share. Would love additions!

The list is long and it's mostly just foid nonsense, check out the post itself!

If I ever write a story I'm absolutely going to describe the size of a woman's breasts, her shapely thighs and tight buttocks, right beside my description of the curvature, girth and size of a man's bulge, his stately, broad shoulders and his own right buttocks. How every swing of his sword sends his member swinging almost in parallel, every step jiggling his butt, the way his muscle glisten and gleam with sweat, and how the sweat itself runs in rivulets between his chiselled abs.

:#coomer:

I’ve completely stopped reading fantasy by men for a while and it really has seemed to decrease my frustrations with the genre, including but not limited to all the things you mention. Plus my TBR has never been longer than it is right now once I completely stopped trying to have interest in all the “big names” that seem to be mostly men 🤷‍♀️

Edit: If you’re really going to comment telling me I’m wrong for choosing to read only women, consider two things 1) there may be very valid reasons - systemic issues - behind a woman choosing to pause reading men, some of which are outlined in this very post. Take a second and listen/learn what those issues might be. and 2) I’ve already read plenty of men. Most of my education was reading men. Time to focus on other voices/experiences/persectives.

I've got systemic reasons, okay?!?

One in four women have not been r*ped...That is a false statement, at least not according to the commonly known/accepted definition of r*pe.

A lot of these points are great but some feel redundant as a female author will also write her book according to her perspective/worldview. That being said a great author should be able to give all their characters depth regardless of gender/race. The better an author is, the less one dimensional the characters will be. It even goes for male authors who write all their characters as buff men with superhuman like strength. What about all us skinny/short guys or the dudes who are emotional wrecks etc? Men also want to feel like characters reflect themselves as real people or as the person who they want to be (given the condition that the character in question struggled to actually get there).

Argument about r*pe statistics

Always weird when you have these posts telling writers what they can and can not do.

If it's not for you, you can just not read it? There are plenty of books that use characterizations and tropes that I don't like so i just avoid them.

What if these "characterizations and tropes" are industry-wide problems of misogyny and poor representation? And calm down, OP is literally just pointing out sexist tropes and asking writers to be a little more thoughtful, not forcibly stopping anyone from writing their shitty misogynistic book.

industry-wide problems I can manufacture an industry-wide problem too

People buy books = more books like it are written. What books have you been reading that is misogynistic? must be alot

This causes an absolute sneed spree as a janny has to come in and scold the naughty poster :marseyjanny:

Please drop it, both you. Warheadjk please take a break from this post, thank you.

:#marseyjanny2:

My work here is done

116
Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

:#marseyhillary:

Snapshots:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

>reading books made after 2012

Big mistake

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

>reading books

Big mistake

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

![](https://media.giphy.com/media/ctEPkkOhvt46k/giphy.webp)

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

:marseyraccoon:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Zoomer

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Time to shill Worm again

https://parahumans.wordpress.com/2011/06/11/1-1/

It was started in 2011 so it counts!

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Ward is kinda mid though but yeah I would bang the Simurgh 10/10

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Ward is from after 2012 so it's not worth reading

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Worm finished 2013, maybe explains why timeskip arc kinda bad

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Mother of learning is still the goat webnovel.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

True. But worm's title doesn't sound as gay.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

What fantasy writers should really as is "am I really a good writer?" and I bet most of them would get the answer "no" and after that they should just not.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Difficulty: most artists think they are rubbish at what they do until critical acclaim convinces them otherwise, talent notwithstanding

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

The problem with that is good writers hate themselves and hate their work. Bad writers think they're great.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

>One in four women has been r*ped

So true!

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

I don't know how anyone can realistically believe that without consider looking at someone for longer than .5 seconds r*pe. R*pe is a problem, it certainly happens more than it should but 25%? Come on now

maybe it's just my ugly copium though

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

It cant be ugly copium because that implies one in four women are beautiful

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

The normally cited stat is r*pe AND/OR sexual assault.

And with the standards for sexual assault, being what they are, you have to be a complete fricking loser to not have been r*ped at least a few times.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Yeah, at this point the people who quantify these studies define "R*pe" as an increasingly broad category that runs anywhere from "violent sexual penetration" to "I slept with him voluntarily but felt bad about it afterwards."

That's why I no longer believe foids who say they've been r*ped unless they bring receipts to prove it and also specify that they mean the violent version of r*pe, not the moronic feminist "regret s*x" version. After all, if "r*pe" is becoming this increasingly flexible term, then it ceases to have any meaning. By the broad feminist definition of the term, anybody can say they were r*ped. Shit, during my marriage my ex-wife was illegally videotaping me when I jerked off, and I didn't find out about it till much later. If we go by the same standards that these stupid feminist researchers use to define "r*pe," then by those standards I'm a r*pe victim. In fact, you could even say that I was a s*x slave, because I'm sure my b-word ex-wife showed those videos to at least some of the human garbage she calls "friends" - which basically makes those videotapes illegal pornography produced without my consent.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

>R*pe is a problem, it certainly happens more than it should

:#marseythinkorino:

How much r*pe should happen?

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

:#soyjackwow: :#marseysoypoint:

Golden r*pe marsey!

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

What are odds on golden marseys

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

a little less every year but no expectation of permanently dropping it to zero because that's an impossible standard for at least this century.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

That was the case during either the first or second Congo Civil War. We're expected to believe a First- World college campus is as dangerous as a war zone.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Like someone else said it's r*pe and/or sexual assault and I find it totally believable. The stranger danger PIV r*pe probably isn't very high, but women being molested as kids or forced to perform s*x acts certainly isn't rare.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

"actually it's 3/4, for the average woman, based off what I know about your risk factors, you must have been r*ped at least 4 times!"

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

I'm writing a fantasy novel in which all of the men banished all of the women underground many centuries ago and live in a utopian land in a golden age.

The human race continues as the sperm shat out by cute twinks after getting fricked in the bussy is harvested by blind crones in underground sewage lakes who only know it to bring good luck and fertility when rubbed into the vagina of their own granddaughters.

When male children are born, they reach an age where they have the strength to ascend the walls of a great pit and reach the outside world.

One of the characters is a teenage girl who desires to leave the pit. She trains hard and acts unethically by stealing food from others in order to gain greater strength. She's a fully three-dimensional character who suffers none of the flaws mentioned in this OP.

She makes it, but unfortunately there's a genital inspector working at the top of the pit and she's sent back after getting r*ped.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

:#marseywut2:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

edgy

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

The great pit is an allegory for the vagina and birth and how women and girls can't escape their biology or the social pressures that oppress them because of it and how it defines them both as children and as mothers.

It's not edgy, it's just too sophisticated for you.

:#marseybigbrain:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

a great exploration of the human condition

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

>She makes it

Unrealistic

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

:marseymommymilkers::marseymommymilkers::marseymommymilkers:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

>be bottomless pit inspector

>disgusting peepeeless creature literally claws its way out of it

>r*pe it then kick it back down the pit

>??????

>PROFIT

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Bottomless pit supervisor is unironically my favourite meme ever. AI memes are the future

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

She makes it, but unfortunately there's a genital inspector working at the top of the pit and she's sent back

:#marseyxd:

after getting r*ped

:#marseypearlclutch:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

I mean shes the only woman under millions of men. Not the surprising part.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

But those men have been bussylovers for generations. Wouldn't they recoil at sight of the w*man's roast beef? Or did they violate her female bussy?

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

The irony would be if that passes the bechdel test

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

I wanted to say I'd give your book a try when you finish it but you've spoiled the ending so :marseyfuckyou:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

This would actually be an interesting premise. Might even be able to pass it off as feminist allegory if done right. Got to remove the r*pe part though, it's too unrealistic. No way someone in a society that has fully embraced the glory of bussy would ever want to mess around with some nasty underground troll gussy.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

i wish people would write their books how i want instead of how they want to. there's no place in current year society for people to write the book they want.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

this unironically is why i am currently writing a book and no you r-slurs will never see it linked to me in any way on rdrama.net so dont even ask

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

No one cares plus its gonna flop anway.

:#marseysnorlax:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Before your book is even able to flop, you need to get a twenty something mayo gussy to sign off on being your agent. That's the bigger hurdle. I added in a s*x scene between my protagonist and her rescue pit bull, but I feel like it's still missing something.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Good luck sweaty. Hopefully our r-sluration is providing insight into the human condition.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

hey can you post it here when you finish

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

PM it to me and I'll pretend I wrote it and post it here

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

I'm chuckling at the idea of sending a book through PMs and it's limited to 10,000 characters per message and the book ends up 300 pages long

RIP ur inbox LOL

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

My inbox is ready for you baby

![](/images/164640942573.webp)

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

I can fix them.

  • QuadNarca
Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

When did everything become a 'space'? It sounds fricking gay.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

One in four women has been r*ped. The r*pe scene you’re thinking about including could very well alienate, traumatize, or lose you the loyalty of a big chunk of your potential audience.

...

Do you have opportunities to ground your female characters in ways that make them feel relatable rather than idealistic?

Like maybe having 1 in 4 female characters get r*ped? :marseyhmm:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

:#marseywrongthonk:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Game of Thrones showing r*pe, incest and murder: deep and mature storytelling

Author I dislike writing a r*pe scene: could very well alienate, traumatize :marseysnoo:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

R*pe was very crucial in 50 Shades of Grey.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

It’s not r*pe if you are hot and ,more importantly, rich

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

This but unironically. Epsteins greatest fault was that he did not work out to even pretend to have self standards.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Also the pedophilia

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

if we jailed people for pedophilia 20% of the world would be in jail

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Alright then?

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

idk I am just saying the pedophilia wasn't why they put him in jail.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

sounds like a job creating program I could get behind. Out of the way, chud.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

a lot of feminists hated game of thrones and george r. r. martin because of the r*pe scenes, i remember a lot of seethe posting on trollxchromosomes back in the day from women who refused to watch the show because of it

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Somebody needs to start lurking there and sharing the shenanigans


:!marseybarrel: :marseybarreldrunk:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Which is weird because all women have r*pe fetishes

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

>Women signalling the exact opposite of their real views

How is it weird?

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

most of them aren't turned on by the idea of being violently r*ped though. their fantasies are more like these romance-novel-ish scenarios where the gigachad recognizes how much they want it and ignores their token "no"s

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

W*men instinctively want gigachad regardless of societal conditioning, many such cases.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

I rly like boobs regardless of my conditioning, big surprise

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

literally try writing a book based on this subreddits standards and watch it flop harder than a whale beached out of water.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

>One in four women has been r*ped

I love these statistics because you can't argue with them without sounding like you're defending r*pe. We need to start ramping it up to 1 in 3 or 50% and see how many people will just go along with it to avoid conflict.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Thats the same spirit as demanding increased minimum wage! 15 not enough, get them to agree to 20, 25, 30, eventually theres a point where they'll nope out and then you can pester their logic for it

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

It's actually 27 in 4 women are r*ped, chud. Don't ask questions.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

This is what happened with the wage gap and now most people who care know it’s BS

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Can't you just #BelieveWomen when you're told to?

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

1 in 4 women get r*ped...

>Follow with

Actually, it's 1 in 3 now... Yea... You're really lucky you made it here alive.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Reported by:

Better shut up before i make it 1 in 2:marseydisconcerting#:

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

in the united states 400,000 “sexual assaults” happen a year and most r*pes are in prison. Where do foids get there statistics

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

actually those are old stats. These days 1 in 3 women has suffered sexual assault or r*pe in America.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

by doing the worst thing you can do and ask directly, including giving a bunch of thinking time and angelifying victimhood

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Every woman has been r*ped. If you haven't been r*ped, you're not a woman.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

You are a woman if and only if you've been r*ped.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Finally an answer to “what is a woman?”

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Is it really?

Why not just say ''no they weren't you fricking r-slur'', doesnt sound like defending r*pe

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

For reasonable people, sure. But we currently live in the dystopia where social media has trained people to have hysterical overreactions to any sort of facts and logic that hurt their feelings or go against their preconceived views. So if you say something that sounds like even vague skepticism of a feminist's data set, you get accused of being a r*pe apologist, and then they try to stir up a social media lynch mob agianst you.

Don't worry, once we start hurting the terminally online garbage who display these kinds of hysterical emotional overreactions, they'll very quickly learn that going into histrionics whenever reality doesn't match their wishful thinking is absolutely not acceptable. The reason these "people" never engage their critical thinking skills is because nobody ever taught them that it was necessary to do so for their own survival, so they have no skin in the game. When they realize that Social Darwinism mode has been reactivated, they''ll change their narcissistic behaviors real fast.

TL; DR: The reason Taylor Lorenz behaves like a narcissistic sociopath is because nobody ever beat her with a shovel for acting that way

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.


Link copied to clipboard
Action successful!
Error, please refresh the page and try again.