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Supreme Court gun case just dropped!

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf

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Tl;dr this doesn't affect shall issue states. They just ruled that "may issue" was unconstitutional. States can still require licensing

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The State of New York makes it a crime to possess a firearm without a license, whether inside or outside the home. An individual who wants to carry a firearm outside his home may obtain an unrestricted license to “have and carry” a concealed “pistol or revolver” if he can prove that “proper cause exists” for doing so. N. Y. Penal Law Ann. §400.00(2)(f ). An applicant satisfies the “proper cause” requirement only if he can “demonstrate a special need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the general community.” E.g., In re Klenosky, 75 App. Div. 2d 793, 428 N. Y. S. 2d 256, 257.

Petitioners Brandon Koch and Robert Nash are adult, law-abiding New York residents who both applied for unrestricted licenses to carry a handgun in public based on their generalized interest in self-defense. The State denied both of their applications for unrestricted licenses, allegedly because Koch and Nash failed to satisfy the “proper cause” requirement. Petitioners then sued respondents—state officials who oversee the processing of licensing applications—for declaratory and injunctive relief, alleging that respondents violated their Second and Fourteenth Amendment rights by denying their unrestricted-license applications for failure to demonstrate a unique need for self-defense. The District Court dismissed petitioners’ complaint and the Court of Appeals affirmed. Both courts relied on the Second Circuit’s prior de- cision in Kachalsky v. County of Westchester, 701 F. 3d 81, which had sustained New York’s proper-cause standard, holding that the require- ment was “substantially related to the achievement of an important governmental interest.” Id., at 96.

2 NEW YORK STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ASSN., INC. v. BRUEN Syllabus

Held: New York’s proper-cause requirement violates the Fourteenth Amendment by preventing law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-de- fense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense. Pp. 8–63.

(1) It is undisputed that petitioners Koch and Nash—two ordi- nary, law-abiding, adult citizens—are part of “the people” whom the Second Amendment protects. See Heller, 554 U. S., at 580. And no party disputes that handguns are weapons “in common use” today for self-defense. See id., at 627. The Court has little difficulty concluding also that the plain text of the Second Amendment protects Koch’s and Nash’s proposed course of conduct—carrying handguns publicly for self-defense. Nothing in the Second Amendment’s text draws a home/public distinction with respect to the right to keep and bear arms, and the definition of “bear” naturally encompasses public carry. Moreover, the Second Amendment guarantees an “individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation,” id., at 592, and confrontation can surely take place outside the home. Pp. 23–24.

If the last decade of Second Amendment litigation has taught this Court anything, it is that federal courts tasked with making such difficult empirical judgments regarding firearm regulations under the banner of “intermediate scru- tiny” often defer to the determinations of legislatures. But while that judicial deference to legislative interest balanc- ing is understandable—and, elsewhere, appropriate—it is not deference that the Constitution demands here. The Sec- ond Amendment “is the very product of an interest balanc- ing by the people” and it “surely elevates above all other interests the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms” for self-defense. Heller, 554 U. S., at 635. It is this balance—struck by the traditions of the American peo- ple—that demands our unqualified deference.

Heller further confirmed that the right to “bear arms” refers to the right to “wear, bear, or carry . . . upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose . . . of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person.” Id., at 584 (quoting Mus- carello v. United States, 524 U. S. 125, 143 (1998) (Gins- burg, J., dissenting); internal quotation marks omitted).

This definition of “bear” naturally encompasses public carry. Most gun owners do not wear a holstered pistol at their hip in their bedroom or while sitting at the dinner ta- ble. Although individuals often “keep” firearms in their home, at the ready for self-defense, most do not “bear” (i.e., carry) them in the home beyond moments of actual confron- tation. To confine the right to “bear” arms to the home would nullify half of the Second Amendment’s operative protections.

Throughout modern Anglo-American history, the right to keep and bear arms in public has tra- ditionally been subject to well-defined restrictions govern- ing the intent for which one could carry arms, the manner of carry, or the exceptional circumstances under which one could not carry arms. But apart from a handful of late- 19th-century jurisdictions, the historical record compiled by respondents does not demonstrate a tradition of broadly prohibiting the public carry of commonly used firearms for self-defense. Nor is there any such historical tradition lim- iting public carry only to those law-abiding citizens who demonstrate a special need for self-defense.9 We conclude that respondents have failed to meet their burden to iden- tify an American tradition justifying New York’s proper- cause requirement. Under Heller’s text-and-history stand- ard, the proper-cause requirement is therefore unconstitu- tional.

To summarize: The historical evidence from antebellum America does demonstrate that the manner of public carry was subject to reasonable regulation. Under the common law, individuals could not carry deadly weapons in a man- ner likely to terrorize others. Similarly, although surety statutes did not directly restrict public carry, they did pro- vide financial incentives for responsible arms carrying. Fi- nally, States could lawfully eliminate one kind of public carry—concealed carry—so long as they left open the option to carry openly.

After the Civil War, of course, the exercise of this funda- mental right by freed slaves was systematically thwarted. This Court has already recounted some of the Southern abuses violating blacks’ right to keep and bear arms.

At the end of this long journey through the Anglo-American history of public carry, we conclude that respondents have not met their burden to identify an American tradition jus- tifying the State’s proper-cause requirement. The Second Amendment guaranteed to “all Americans” the right to bear commonly used arms in public subject to certain reasona- ble, well-defined restrictions. Heller, 554 U. S., at 581. Those restrictions, for example, limited the intent for which one could carry arms, the manner by which one carried arms, or the exceptional circumstances under which one could not carry arms, such as before justices of the peace and other government officials. Apart from a few late-19th- century outlier jurisdictions, American governments simply have not broadly prohibited the public carry of commonly used firearms for personal defense. Nor, subject to a few late-in-time outliers, have American governments required law-abiding, responsible citizens to “demonstrate a special need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the general community” in order to carry arms in public. Klenosky, 75 App. Div., at 793, 428 N. Y. S. 2d, at 257.

The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self- defense is not “a second-class right, subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guaran- tees.” McDonald, 561 U. S., at 780 (plurality opinion). We know of no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government offic-ers some special need. That is not how the First Amend- ment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant’s right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self- defense.

New York’s proper-cause requirement violates the Four- teenth Amendment in that it prevents law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their right to keep and bear arms. We therefore reverse the judgment of the Court of Appeals and remand the case for further pro- ceedings consistent with this opinion.

Kavanaugh concurring:

First, the Court’s decision does not prohibit States from imposing licensing requirements for carrying a handgun for self-defense. In particular, the Court’s decision does not af- fect the existing licensing regimes—known as “shall-issue” regimes—that are employed in 43 States


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NY: Nooooo we're all going to die now that people can get a license to carry a gun after passing a background check :soycry:

My state: If you are 21 and not a felon, you may carry a gun with no license needed :gigachad2:

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USA unironicly rules. Wish i was born there.

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>Nope. Guns are not needed and you don’t deserve one. I promise you your guns are not safe from us and you’re going to have to use them to keep us from taking them from you. Well you would have to but we both know you don’t have the balls to kill and you will surrender your guns like a good little boy.

>Nah frick guns. Kill me with one if you want, I won’t resist, but while I’m alive I will never stop working to remove your ability to kill someone at the push of a button. If you let me live long enough I will help take your guns away. I promise.

>We will never stop working to take your guns. The only way to stop us is to shoot us and we both know you don’t have the balls to use your guns on us.

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I want my right to bare

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Bare bussy

Vermont is the only state that has never required any type of permit to carry a gun

The first to legalize civil unions

And there is no law against public nudity

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Suck my fricking peepee Ew York. Worst place in the country next to commiefornia. No respect or dignity given to those who chose to remain there

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Just ss Jesus intended.

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Livestream of legal analysis from lawyer who does this kind of thing

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Watch this go nowhere in 2 weeks.

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>Self pinning jannie

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This is bigger than the abortion thing. Any regard can ccw anywhere. Frick that.

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This is what they should have ruled, but they didn't

They just ruled that states couldn't require someone to have some special reason to carry a gun. It only affects May Issue states

The 43 shall issue states that issue permits with background checks, fingerprinting, etc can still do that


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True, objective criteria. Your regardedness has to be undocumented.

> should have ruled

Cowboy larp is better restricted to sexual experimentation.

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I've never owned or shot a gun and have zero interest in doing so


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Better investment would be a vest.

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The best investment is not living in a shithole city where I'd need one


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Yes.

Less critical but also helpful; avoid sites of drama like bars and roads and political rallies.

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Also people


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Ya which part of shall not infringe can I help explain to you?

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Are you really leading with the dumbest possible 2A argument?

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So you’re saying you know more than our Founding Fathers is that correct?

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Did any of them say that the Constitution should be a living document and updated when, say,

  • Settlers aren't big scared of indians

  • The People's biggest check on government tyranny is no longer armed rebellion

  • The lethality of a psychopath has gone from riding into town and shooting maybe one person with your muzzle-loaded musket to... well how lethal can we get if we take "shall not be infringed" at face value

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>The lethality of a psychopath has gone from riding into town and shooting maybe one person with your muzzle-loaded musket to... well how lethal can we get if we take "shall not be infringed" at face value

You accuse others of reciting r-slurred arguments and yet you did it yourself lmao. :marseylaugh:

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>Settlers aren't big scared of indians

The constitution never said anything about that, it only dealt with a federal monopoly on dealing with federally recognized/autonomous tribes and that states, local governments and private citizens/parties have to go through the federal government in order to enter negotiations or agreements.

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You accuse others of reciting r-slurred arguments and yet you did it yourself lmao.

What are you trying to say here?

The constitution never said anything about that

I mean, it doesn't give its rationale on the fifth amendment either. This is what the supreme court is for.

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You:

>Are you really leading with the dumbest possible 2A argument?

Also you:

>The lethality of a psychopath has gone from riding into town and shooting maybe one person with your muzzle-loaded musket to... well how lethal can we get if we take "shall not be infringed" at face value

What do you mean? What rationale are you referring to? The clause about federal-Indian relations and the 5th amendment aren’t decided by the Supreme Court nor are their rationales changed by them.

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ok we can all see through your gaslighting. It’s almost as if our constitution is what protects the rights of Americans and people like you are trying to stomp on our rights. Maybe try going to North Korea if you want to be fricked in the butt by government everyday?

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Lol you went from smug libertarian to pooping all over yourself real quick.

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So you don’t have an argument? Got it.

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It's still a living document, make an amendment or frick off.


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Filibuster makes even a mundane piece of legislation require that you kiss Mitch's rings. Amendment ain't happening.

I wonder if the founders said anything about the dangers of a two party system.

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They were split on the issue if I recalled.

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You wouldn't have the votes with or without the filibuster, why lie like that's the problem?


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Of course it's a living document - we can amend it at will.

Propose an amendment to eliminate the second amendment. We've eliminated amendments with other amendments before. We can do it again.

Or at least, we could do it again, if people overwhelmingly agreed with you. But they don't.

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at will

When was the last amendment ratified?

Who said anything about eliminating the second amendment? This is about not changing century-old settled law because of political horsetrading.

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>When was the last amendment ratified?

1992

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Hypocrite lol I would dig up the comment where u pinned a comment on my post but I'm still sneeding over this case so I'm busy sorry ttyl ily


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Sneeding why? This is awesome. Carrying guns is a God-given right in America.

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What @Avalon said, they didn't go far enough

U don't need a license to exercise your first amendment right and you shouldn't need one to exercise your second amendment right

They should have instituted Vermont Carry nationwide but they didn't do that


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She wanted them to make constitutional carry mandatory.

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I love carp :marseylove:

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I paid for nine entries into the Oregon Trail, and I only got one. Then he doesn't even give me a scam badge.

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He hates Russia :marseycarpcrying::#marseyshooting:

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Facts tho. Oregon trail posting was fun.

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this is mesmerizing

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Lmao they are using the 14th?

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The 14th is basically used to sue states for violating constitutional rights. It wasn’t intended when the it was added but legalcels saw a new toy and did their thing.

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Yeah, but the funny thing is how conservatives have bitched about the 14th being used as an umbrella for protecting liberal backed rights, preparing to strike down the umbrella for abortion rights (and maybe gay marriage rights later), and then repurpose the umbrella for gun rights.

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No. It could seem that way from the actual text of the ruling, but its clear from the majority that this was done using language from the juneteenth.

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It's crazy how bad reddit has become that subs like this have turned into such trash.

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The majority ruled that New York's law was unconstitutionally "preventing law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense."

So, by this logic, everyone needs to have access to all levels of body armor, explosives, poisons, and toxins because denying those to law-abiding citizens could be preventing them from protecting themselves.

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Why would they be opposed to people having armor

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They say that likeits a bad thing

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toxins

i water my raised beds with microplastics and give them away to my neighbors as “free organic produce.”.

Over time, myself and my clan will rule over the DC exurbs.

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Our holding decides nothing about who may lawfully possess a firearm or the requirements that must be met to buy a gun. Nor does it decide anything about the kinds of weapons that people may possess. Nor have we disturbed anything that we said in Heller or McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U. S. 742 (2010), about re- strictions that may be imposed on the possession or carry- ing of guns.


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sorry sweaty. the notorious has spoken

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Heck yeah


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