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On the Deuxrama Question :marseydeux:

I am a lurker who's been watching from the sidelines for several months now, but between the Day of the Login Screen, and the Deuxrama issue, I can remain silent no longer, so I am going to use my first post to speak out on this issue.

:chudsey::marseypearlclutch::marseylongpost:

Deuxrama as a separate site is not only a stupid idea, but may in the process ruin rDrama forever. This recent :chudsey: purge has been, to my knowledge, orchestrated to drive people to Deuxrama, and in doing so merely turn rDrama and Deuxrama into two separate bastions of wingcuckery, that will just eternally sneed at each other. Excess CHUDness might get rDrama removed, but I presume :marseydeux: has the same host, and will likely get both sites removed if it gets taken down, so it's pragmatically useless. It also gets unfunny when in excess, and so and the goal is NOT unrestricted :chudsey: or :marseyfreezepeach:, but instead to avoid a division into two wingcuck communities that eternally sneed at each other, and the concept of a separate rDrama-related :chudsey: site. If you want to be a wingcuck, SRD and Kiwifarms exist for that. I can't just sit and watch as this site runs itself into the ground. We must not become /pol/, but we must be careful not to lean into :marseybardfinn: too much. Wingcuckery is a two-sided peril, after all, and Deuxrama was a r-slurred idea from the start.

I propose a balance system for a hypothetical Chud Award/Leftoid Award ratio, wherein say 10:1 - 10 dramanauts chudded for every dramanaut leftoid-awarded, and an excess in one direction will make the opposite award cheaper, subject to rebalancing by Carp and the other admins, e.g. if we get an influx from twitter, this ratio could be flipped on its head, while if this site gets mentioned on /pol/, it could be made 20:1, to maintain a proper wingcuck balance ratio. This could be a better solution to rDrama's political balance problems than creating a chud exile site that brings all the cons of being a chud site to rDrama (deplatforming, chuds finding it a :marseyfreezepeach: place from other chud sites) while also turning rDrama and itself into bastions of wingcuckery. Drama comes from difference, after all. What use to the world is another /pol/, or another SRD?

I also have noticed a sore lack of :chudsey: longposts, and I'm planning on making a few long-winded posts of that style as well - starting with a dissection of the question "What is a Woman?", and why it makes those who believe TRANS LIVES MATTER sneed so much. Plenty of :chudsey:s like to take small potshots in the comments, but I notice few tend to elaborate. I will try to fix that, or shout TRANS LIVES MATTER trying.

And now, finishing this first post, I ask myself the question all lurkers becoming posters must ask ourselves - am I still the lol-milker, or have I become the :marseylolcow:?

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:#marseywoah:

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get rid of gimmick accounts and ban r-slur circlejerkers and the site will improve a thousandfold

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I agree with this unironically. :marseysalutearmy:

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Stop talking about Deuxrama and it'll just go away.

Just stop talking about it!

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Tell me, do you think rdrama is in danger of turning into SRD? Don't get me wrong, deuxrama is an r-slured idea just like it's reddit user base was but do you feel that our frontpage is overwhelmed by leftoid posting now that we exiled some turbo spergs?

Wingcuckery will always exist in the current social climate and is unlikely to change before core social values change and I don't think our ensemble of r-slurs would be the first to embrace nuance and thoughtful discussions. Wingcukery does make for drama and the collision of such users can be entertaining but for along time any leftoid wingcukery gets completely drowned out by chudposters to the point where the only types that survive are the ones drenched in so many layers of irony nobody is quite sure what they really think or turbo sperg warriors like pizzashill that despite being relentlessly attacked and harrassed only periodically leaves this place (if we think the current one is real).

Our biggest problem is being an isolated internet island only attracting terminally online sneeding losers, /r/drama was better when SRD mods would also join in on shitposting and chatting but that all dried up over time because spergs are incapable of moderating their own behaviour in relation to contextual situations.

I of course will do nothing to improve the situation as I'm only here to make snarky remarks and insult people without providing any contributions or content.

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Tell me, do you think rdrama is in danger of turning into SRD? Don't get me wrong, deuxrama is a r-slurred idea just like it's reddit user base was but do you feel that our frontpage is overwhelmed by leftoid posting now that we exiled some turbo spergs?

If all chuds are banned and deported to Deuxrama, rDrama becomes leftoid wingcuck by default. Wingcuckery must be balanced, for it is impossible to exterminate.

Wingcuckery will always exist in the current social climate and is unlikely to change before core social values change and I don't think our ensemble of r-slurs would be the first to embrace nuance and thoughtful discussions.

Agreed.

Wingcukery does make for drama and the collision of such users can be entertaining but for along time any leftoid wingcukery gets completely drowned out by chudposters to the point where the only types that survive are the ones drenched in so many layers of irony nobody is quite sure what they really think or turbo sperg warriors like pizzashill that despite being relentlessly attacked and harrassed only periodically leaves this place (if we think the current one is real).

Which is why wingcuckery must be held in balance, but it is dramatic if it doesn't dominate the site.

Our biggest problem is being an isolated internet island only attracting terminally online sneeding losers, /r/drama was better when SRD mods would also join in on shitposting and chatting but that all dried up over time because spergs are incapable of moderating their own behaviour in relation to contextual situations.

RIP Pinging, then. Also it's because Big Tech is dominated from San Francisco, which is probably the most leftoid large city in the U.S., and they enforce those values universally online, so sneeding rightoids are always looking for their 110th Website.

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I don't think we banned even 10% of our chuds though? Personally I think the chud abuse is much funnier like the conversion therapy @911roofer was subjected too but sadly ended.

If anything the constant abusing of chuds is intended to try and keep rightoid wingcuckery from spiralling out of control.

Yes RIP pinging, it was curcial for good dramaeconomy but r-slurs had to kill it by telling people to kill themselves. Yes one problem with being an alternative site is that you attract all the r-slurs that literally cannot behave which can be funny but eventually it becomes like .win.

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I'm talking about ponderings I've seen from leftoid jannies and proposals indicating that's the direction some want to go. Of course I voiced my concern before this could really get off the ground - what use would it be if rDrama already split into two?

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Darn, you're really mad over this, but thanks for the effort you put into typing that all out! Sadly I won't read it all.

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Welcome to rDrama, you wrote a well thought out post that looks like shit on mobile. Overall I agree with all your main points and about 90% of 2LSnakes.

Your main point bears repeating, it's important that rDrama doesn't fall to Wingcuckery (of either kind) and splitting it into two sites will inevitably lead to that. What I find most frustrating about the current state of affairs is the usual tactics you see on Reddit. Where you accuse the other side of being <insert boogieman=""> for talking about <current thing="">.</current></insert>

Reading some of the cryposts yesterday the inference is that if you post any drama regarding :marseytrain::marseystinky::marseyrobber: then you are a rightoid. That kind of framing forces people into in-groups and out-groups and I don't consider trans-trenders, hobos, or crime posts to be political by nature (although the commenters and reactions certainly can be) I consider them inherently dramatic. But! if you can force that association you can immediately turn it tribal and go "PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT X ARE Y'S AND Y'S SHOULD BE BANNED/SILENCED" etc. I really hate that shit and I don't want to see it take root on rDrama. rDrama isn't meant to be a place to circle-jerk your political position, either find some common ground and be a centrist, or be a radical centrist and adopt the opposite position of a wingcuck and bait them all the way down the comment chain with accusations of sealioning and gish galloping.

Carp has a good essaypost about why free speech killed Ruqqus. Jannys should crack down on any unironic /pol/ posting that would affect the site getting delisted. But I'm not a fan of anything more than that let alone janny-abuse. If the cabal is desperately concerned about too much of one-side posting then make it easy for the users to fix it.

Too many rightoid wingcucks? Chud awards are 100 coins all month. Better yet, have a rightoid award that makes them say "Hillary should have won 2016" and you'll make Berniebros seethe as well.

Too many leftoid wingcucks sneeding and not posting drama? Give them an award where they can't post until they make a non-text drama post that gets 30 UpMarseys. Content problem solved.

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Reading some of the cryposts yesterday the inference is that if you post any drama regarding :marseytrain::marseystinky::marseyrobber: then you are a rightoid.

No, that is kind of rightoid, but leftoids have institutional power these days, so we see MUCH more of their r-sluration in action in Current Year.

Carp has a good essaypost about why free speech killed Ruqqus. Jannys should crack down on any unironic /pol/ posting that would affect the site getting delisted. But I'm not a fan of anything more than that let alone janny-abuse. If the cabal is desperately concerned about too much of one-side posting then make it easy for the users to fix it.

Rightoids have been exiled from 109 sites!

Too many rightoid wingcucks? Chud awards are 100 coins all month. Better yet, have a rightoid award that makes them say "Hillary should have won 2016" and you'll make Berniebros seethe as well.

Too many leftoid wingcucks sneeding and not posting drama? Give them an award where they can't post until they make a non-text drama post that gets 30 UpMarseys. Content problem solved.

That's what the CHUD:Leftoid award ratio is supposed to solve - jannies set how much suppression of each side of wingcuck is ideal in relation to each other, the prices are set, and the market of dramacoin takes care of the rest.

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>No, that is kind of rightoid

Nah, it's not; unless you live in a grass-less bubble. Here's an example, I'm a leftoid, so is about 70% of my friend group. I can't think of a single one that is in the 'homeless can do no wrong' camp. It's not a left vs right issue aside from the wingcucks on twitter and weirdos in portland but they're opinion amounts to nothing. Homeless guy burning down mailboxes and pissing on pedestrians isn't political, it's inherently dramatic.

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Someone can be generally leftoid while having some rightoid opinions.

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In general I agree, but that issue isn't inherently left-right political and if you think it is you are succumbing to wingcuckry.

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Well, the left and right have taken sides on this issue, it just so happens that the left is wrong on this one ๐Ÿ’…

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No, extremists on one side have made it an issue, that does not make it an issue for every person on that side. Again, that is wingcuckery.

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Login only bullshittery will seriously impact this sites traffic if you're too r-slurred to see that @Carp @Aevann. There'll be no more fresh people and way more jannycord drama. There's only so much marsey can make up for your weird butt moves :mersya:

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The point is to convert lurkers into posters, it can be useful if done intermittently. Bad idea on a permanent basis though.

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The trans bipocs that run this site do a decent job of dealing with the chuddery, though I think more racist and anti Semitic content should be banned. Deux is a cringe pol wannabe, just donโ€™t go there. Thatโ€™s what I do, but I appreciate your decentness in wanting to have it banned

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Good effortpost, welcome to dramanet

I just woke up and have not consumed my lisdextroamfetamine yet so not really in the mood for longposting and sneks already said a lot of what I wanted to say

But I share your concerns about deux splitting the userbase, especially when it's existence is used as justification to exile long term dramausers who provide valuable content

It clearly is not viable as a separate site and will fail for the same reason cringetopia failed

Internet addiction and its consequences has already rotted my brain and destroyed my attention span

I don't want to open up different sites with different sets of notifications, etc just to see different types of content

One of the Cringetopians said something about how no one wanted to use the offsite because all the other communities they were involved in were still on Reddit and they didn't feel like migrating to a different platform

For the same reason I think most of the concern about the Reddification and shitlib gentrification of drama is overblown. Trans lives matter girlbosses have no reason to use this site over Reddit.

And we want to attract stupidpollers like idio

This carppost on why Ruqqus failed is relevant:

https://rdrama.net/post/41547/why-carpathianflorist-should-be-banned-from/1321069?context=8#context

Tldr I don't think the leftoid award is necessary right now but I share your concerns about deux.


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I've been saying for a while that we already have leftoid awards. Birdsite for one. But the chud award works on leftoids too. First because it's annoying to constantly have to type trans lives matter, regardless of your politics. And second because it makes everybody think that the leftoid is actually a chud posting rightoid and that's funny.


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Good effortpost, welcome to dramanet

Thank you!

Internet addiction and its consequences has already rotted my brain and destroyed my attention span

Judging by TikTok, most zoomers will make internet-addict millenials like you look like paragons of patience.

Tldr I don't think the leftoid award is necessary right now but I share your concerns about deux.

I was just trying to figure out a market solution that the admins could use to maintain balance with minimal work on their behalf, the leftoid award is needed at the other end of the scale, but under normal circumstances should be MUCH more expensive.

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It's nice to remember our generations were just a point on the slope as it approached negative infinity

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millennials like you

I was joking about you being a sneks alt and this makes me even more suspicious (by traditional definitions I'm an older zoomer but sneks has his own classification where he counts anyone who grew up before social media and smartphones as a millennial)


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I guessed wrong, then? DW i'm not an alt, just a :marseyschizoshaking: TORcel. I've been lurking for months at this point.

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not a sneks alt

I meant that as a compliment, (sneks is @TwoLargeSnakesMating ( one of our least mentally defective users and 2nd best codecel ) :marseyschizosnakeslove:)

:marseyschizoshaking: TORcel

:#marseyschizochadbasedcapylove:


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:#marseyschizoschizolove::#marseyno::#deuxwaifu:

Also agreed the ๐ŸŸ๏ธ-post on why Ruqqus failed is a great write-up on the freeze-peach problem from someone at the center of it all. Archive link if you want to read it in its original environment.

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This is a really long way of saying you don't frick.

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:!marseyshooting::chudsey:

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i am a lurker

Lol strag

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Well, was a lurker.

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:serious: I actually read your post and I'm really confused about the system you are proposing. Are you saying one (1) chud award should be given for every ten (10) episodes of chuddery?

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No, a ratio of 10 chud awards for 1 leftoid equivalent of a chud award* at a given time, and if there is a discrepancy, automatic discounts for chud or leftoid awards, subject to admin tweaking of the ratio depending on circumstance.

*instead of "TRANS LIVES MATTER" think "TRUMP WON" or "M-YO LIVES MATTER" or something similar. Basically the polar opposite to a CHUD award.

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So chud award is n times cheaper than left award, where n is the ratio of chuds to leftoids?

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No, 10:1 is the ideal ratio of CHUD awards to Leftoid awards at any given time - if there are not enough CHUD awards, they are given a heavy discount to encourage more CHUD awarding.

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Ohh I think I get it. We encourage chud presence but NOT chud posting :marseyagree:

I'd love to see the price of the chud award go down a bit

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Just an idea to try to maintain political balance - there'll almost always be more rightoids on offsites due to the nature of centralized Big Tech's censorship based on 'San Francisco Values', so to say, so the Chud:Leftoid award ratio will almost always have to be ridiculously lopsided against the Chuds.

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Deuxrama is a nonstarter. Just there as a failed attempt to reduce despiteposting, kazakhposting, earlylifeposting, trainposting. If jannies actually wanted to shut it down :marseyshutitdown: it would kill the site because it grew out of reddit going full woketard to begin with. Its getting stale but reddit jannies make it a lot of work to troll for some measly average redditor to aggro :marseynpcmad: and most op ideas are bad and get spoiled by r-slurs and moles in a day.

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I've been spending a lot more time trolling on Twitter because it's easier and I'm lazy


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Higher barrier to entry nowadays - phone number filter essentially requires you to find a burner or self-dox. There's a reason most of rDrama's ops are on reddit. Wish you luck on your journey making twittercels sneed, though!

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The way itโ€™s going I think ๐Ÿš‚posting will become a moderate position. It will be classified as extreme though. Begetting more ๐Ÿš‚ posting.

I hate to say this being pro valid

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Pro :marseytrans2:? Better watch out for my next post, you might enjoy it, you might hate it :marseyshrug:. Also :marseytrain:posting is the default here nowadays, kinda happens when rightoids are driven off into interminable, incomprehensible circlejerks on offsites or evading censors with r-slurred things like "frenposting", while leftoids are super-accessible due to their own censorship - lolcow lefties are easier to find, and that includes :marseytrans2:. I'd link Klenvastergan's post on how it's YOUR duty to find rightoid drama, but I'm too lazy right now.

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Increases in ๐Ÿš‚ posting are a reflection of how far the left is willing to go to vote against their own interest and suck the peepee of the capitalists consolidating ownership of the means of production.

Also, youโ€™re r-slurred for thinking there is an agenda targeting you and not an agenda against surrogate /pol/ posting.

Teach me, Iโ€™m unlearned.

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It's (at least partially) a consequence of the physical location of most of Big Tech - literally in San Francisco, and they make rules, TOSes and so on according to those values. Also, are you a Stupidpol-er?

Also, youโ€™re r-slurred for thinking there is an agenda against you and not an agenda against surrogate /pol/ posting.

When did I say that there was an agenda against me? I'm just making a longpost dissecting the "What is a Woman?" phrase going around recently and thought you might have some critiques of it if you're "pro-valid".

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Youโ€™re not wrong but you phrase yourself aggressively. Thatโ€™s annoying.

Idk what your goal is here. To make me a chud as well?

>When did I say that there was an agenda against me?

You didnโ€™t say it directly but I can read between lines.

I am pro trans in that I believe there are many trans individuals who wish to act and exist as a women without infringing upon common lives. Many of these people existed peacefully before ~2015. I wish to continue to offer these people a good life and I donโ€™t blame them for the actions of radical individuals.

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Youโ€™re not wrong but you phrase yourself aggressively. Thatโ€™s annoying.

My industry is full of you. Thanks for making sure no meeting ever ends early with your excellent communication skills, cute twink.

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:marseyblowkiss:

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