I am a lurker who's been watching from the sidelines for several months now, but between the Day of the Login Screen, and the Deuxrama issue, I can remain silent no longer, so I am going to use my first post to speak out on this issue.
Deuxrama as a separate site is not only a stupid idea, but may in the process ruin rDrama forever. This recent purge has been, to my knowledge, orchestrated to drive people to Deuxrama, and in doing so merely turn rDrama and Deuxrama into two separate bastions of wingcuckery, that will just eternally sneed at each other. Excess CHUDness might get rDrama removed, but I presume 
has the same host, and will likely get both sites removed if it gets taken down, so it's pragmatically useless. It also gets unfunny when in excess, and so and the goal is NOT unrestricted or 
, but instead to avoid a division into two wingcuck communities that eternally sneed at each other, and the concept of a separate rDrama-related site. If you want to be a wingcuck, SRD and Kiwifarms exist for that. I can't just sit and watch as this site runs itself into the ground. We must not become /pol/, but we must be careful not to lean into 
too much. Wingcuckery is a two-sided peril, after all, and Deuxrama was a r-slurred idea from the start.
I propose a balance system for a hypothetical Chud Award/Leftoid Award ratio, wherein say 10:1 - 10 dramanauts chudded for every dramanaut leftoid-awarded, and an excess in one direction will make the opposite award cheaper, subject to rebalancing by Carp and the other admins, e.g. if we get an influx from twitter, this ratio could be flipped on its head, while if this site gets mentioned on /pol/, it could be made 20:1, to maintain a proper wingcuck balance ratio. This could be a better solution to rDrama's political balance problems than creating a chud exile site that brings all the cons of being a chud site to rDrama (deplatforming, chuds finding it a place from other chud sites) while also turning rDrama and itself into bastions of wingcuckery. Drama comes from difference, after all. What use to the world is another /pol/, or another SRD?
I also have noticed a sore lack of longposts, and I'm planning on making a few long-winded posts of that style as well - starting with a dissection of the question "What is a Woman?", and why it makes those who believe TRANS LIVES MATTER sneed so much. Plenty of s like to take small potshots in the comments, but I notice few tend to elaborate. I will try to fix that, or shout TRANS LIVES MATTER trying.
And now, finishing this first post, I ask myself the question all lurkers becoming posters must ask ourselves - am I still the lol-milker, or have I become the 
?
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Good Question! The drama is coming from inside the house
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!blackjack105
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!blackjack420
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TLDR im butthurt about how cool lefties are and I secretly wanna have s*x with trans women.
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oh my god why do you people put so many word in the post
just get too the point and say trans lives matter
or at least put pictures because
@JimothyX2 can't pay attention longer than 12 seconds
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Deuxrama is bad because it's rightoid wingcuckery and making it will turn rDrama into leftoid wingcuckery in the process.
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thanks but you're forgot too say trans lives matter
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If deuxrama does create a rightoid-leftoid split we'll quickly see this place devolve into meta drama and power user straggotry. Leftoids simply refuse to post actual drama nowadays, all they can do is sneed about rightoids.
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Yup, that and a shit-ton of wingcuckery. Disgusting.
To be fair to the leftoids, it is far easier to critique power than it is to be in power - leftoids had a field day sneeding about Orange Man, now rightoids are having a field day sneeding about Brandon. Such is life.
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Even when Cheeto Daddy was president it was the same. Everyone would make fun of Drumpf but if anyone called him based they'd start sneeding again. And we'd get some dumbass self post from some aspiring power user complaining about the MDEfugee menace when in reality MDEtards would routinely get dunked on by everyone whenever they went on some rant about degeneracy or western civilization.
/r/drama always had this divide where the actual userbase was anti-woke or rightoid leaning but the power users and mods were often leftoids who were salty about getting cancelled for some minor infraction.
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The power user straggotry was much worse back then, although I'm seeing a couple of "personalities" try to bring that horrible part of the culture back.
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Deux rightoid crying about the site being leftist
The worst part of rdrama is the lack of mod abuse, especially towards those that complain about it.
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Unironically I want more fricking purges
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Leftoid reading comprehension smh. Was complaining about power users, who are gigantic no drama straggots that exist to use this place as their personal friend simulator. Besides the site is actually rightoid leaning, but mostly centrist.
Mod abuse would be funny, unfortunately all we have are leftoids making sneeding self posts which is just boring.
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This is all of it. We get the full spectrum sample of rightoids but every leftist here was shunned by people who earnestly share their beliefs, i.e. they're deranged
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The idea that MDEcels dindu nuffin is revisionist history. I totally agree on the power user circlejerk but let's not pretend MDEfugees weren't only glowing like mad (remember the jokes about helicopter rides?) but were seriousposting to a degree we haven't seen since. Full on "THE JEWS ARE TAKING AWAY MY VIDYA GAEMS!" level of r-slurring and there were enough of them to white knight each other from trolls the way they did in TiA or KiA or w/e.
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All government should be criticized. The core tenant of radical centrism is that no one gets what they want. No one should approve of their government as government must always be kept in check. Those complacent with their government are asking for tyranny
Why not no government? Because order must exist but government must be the cucks of the people, they must be reminded that they exist only to serve and should always be judged
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should be
Accountability of power is important, but nigh-impossible online due to the nature of centralized servers, and the natural monopoly of social media. SAD!
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This hurts my feelings
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devolve into?
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this will literally never happen
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Leftcuckery is when our attention is dragged away from
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leftoid confirmed
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The nazis be coming for us yall hide in yo attic neighbor and say trans lives matter over and over like a prayer too save yourself.
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Radical Centrism today, Radical Centrism Tomorrow, Radical Centrism Forever!
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Your wall of text is based on a false premise. rdrama is safe from deuxrama because deuxrama is run by an idiot.
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Consider this a criticism against another attempt at a Chud-site for rDrama, if LLM has already managed to get it to crash and burn.
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Deuxrama is a nonstarter. Just there as a failed attempt to reduce despiteposting, kazakhposting, earlylifeposting, trainposting. If jannies actually wanted to shut it down
it would kill the site because it grew out of reddit going full woketard to begin with. Its getting stale but reddit jannies make it a lot of work to troll for some measly average redditor to aggro 
and most op ideas are bad and get spoiled by r-slurs and moles in a day.
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The way it’s going I think 🚂posting will become a moderate position. It will be classified as extreme though. Begetting more 🚂 posting.
I hate to say this being pro valid
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Pro
? Better watch out for my next post, you might enjoy it, you might hate it 
. Also 
posting is the default here nowadays, kinda happens when rightoids are driven off into interminable, incomprehensible circlejerks on offsites or evading censors with r-slurred things like "frenposting", while leftoids are super-accessible due to their own censorship - lolcow lefties are easier to find, and that includes 
. I'd link Klenvastergan's post on how it's YOUR duty to find rightoid drama, but I'm too lazy right now.
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It's easy to find rightoid drama. Its absolutely free. Just go to pol or consumeproduct and say jews and feminism are good. They'll line up to sperg out all day. Its kind of boring and twitter users and glowies already do it and the most you get out of it is practically noise in the endless screech of derangement that you find on those sites.
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Increases in 🚂 posting are a reflection of how far the left is willing to go to vote against their own interest and suck the peepee of the capitalists consolidating ownership of the means of production.
Also, you’re r-slurred for thinking there is an agenda targeting you and not an agenda against surrogate /pol/ posting.
Teach me, I’m unlearned.
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It's (at least partially) a consequence of the physical location of most of Big Tech - literally in San Francisco, and they make rules, TOSes and so on according to those values. Also, are you a Stupidpol-er?
When did I say that there was an agenda against me? I'm just making a longpost dissecting the "What is a Woman?" phrase going around recently and thought you might have some critiques of it if you're "pro-valid".
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You’re not wrong but you phrase yourself aggressively. That’s annoying.
Idk what your goal is here. To make me a chud as well?
You didn’t say it directly but I can read between lines.
I am pro trans in that I believe there are many trans individuals who wish to act and exist as a women without infringing upon common lives. Many of these people existed peacefully before ~2015. I wish to continue to offer these people a good life and I don’t blame them for the actions of radical individuals.
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My industry is full of you. Thanks for making sure no meeting ever ends early with your excellent communication skills, cute twink.
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I've been spending a lot more time trolling on Twitter because it's easier and I'm lazy
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Higher barrier to entry nowadays - phone number filter essentially requires you to find a burner or self-dox. There's a reason most of rDrama's ops are on reddit. Wish you luck on your journey making twittercels sneed, though!
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:serious: I actually read your post and I'm really confused about the system you are proposing. Are you saying one (1) chud award should be given for every ten (10) episodes of chuddery?
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No, a ratio of 10 chud awards for 1 leftoid equivalent of a chud award* at a given time, and if there is a discrepancy, automatic discounts for chud or leftoid awards, subject to admin tweaking of the ratio depending on circumstance.
*instead of "TRANS LIVES MATTER" think "TRUMP WON" or "M-YO LIVES MATTER" or something similar. Basically the polar opposite to a CHUD award.
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So chud award is n times cheaper than left award, where n is the ratio of chuds to leftoids?
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Just an idea to try to maintain political balance - there'll almost always be more rightoids on offsites due to the nature of centralized Big Tech's censorship based on 'San Francisco Values', so to say, so the Chud:Leftoid award ratio will almost always have to be ridiculously lopsided against the Chuds.
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No, 10:1 is the ideal ratio of CHUD awards to Leftoid awards at any given time - if there are not enough CHUD awards, they are given a heavy discount to encourage more CHUD awarding.
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Ohh I think I get it. We encourage chud presence but NOT chud posting
I'd love to see the price of the chud award go down a bit
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Lol strag
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Well, was a lurker.
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For what it's worth, they are on different hosts, and you're right that part of the argument for separating the chudposting out is to prevent an rDrama deplatforming. Speaking in my personal capacity, I'm not entirely sure this is that big of a risk in practice.
The perhaps stronger argument is around community management: the spectre of communities.win is haunting the reddit off-site world. Which is to say: there's a perennial fear of every non-mainstream social media space turning into /pol/. The reason that's bad isn't even because certain rightist views of politics are wrong—heck, I'm not exactly a leftoid myself—but just because it's boring and it consumes & overpowers any existing culture. The question from there is whether the Deux split achieves the desired end of preventing that.
There's also a secondary question of how to handle the fact that sometimes leftoids really are doing Dramatic things that deserve to be sneered at, which inevitably starts to tend toward rightoid critiques. The challenge is not treating those the same way one handles outright chudpoasting. In practice, the solution has been to occasionally let idio loose to terrorize the masses, even the undeserving. It seems to work, even if it's suboptimal.
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I have had similar thoughts regarding the /pol/-ification of any offsite - part of me thinks that this is semi-deliberate on the part of larger social media to tarnish any competitors with nazi labeling before they can rise. However, people ask themselves "How can we avoid being /pol/ 2.0?" that they forget to ask "How can we avoid being Reddit/Twitter/Tumblr 2.0?" Both are very concerning, like I said - wingcuckery is a two-sided peril. The point is to find a balance - preserve rDrama culture and avoid being a rightoid or leftoid wingcuck website. Becoming a leftoid website whilst spawning a rightoid website is the exact opposite of that.
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I don't disagree. Right now, Deux is less the chud sister site it's billed as and more LLM's personal fiefdom. Ironically, this is turning it into something like an unapprovedcel site that might pick up its own culture, distinct from the left–right divide. This wouldn't be a problem in itself if we had the population to support both sites. Not sure that we do, though at least it's not drawing down the rDrama side of the pair.
From that perspective, there's two ways to analyze it: 1) Deux is irrelevant, and we can consider the effect of the half-dozen rightoid permabans on the main site in isolation. Your argument works pretty well here, and I can't say I remember who all was banned with enough detail to have a strong opinion on it. Or, 2) Deux's existence threatens the culture of the main site by symbolically splitting the userbase, even if it doesn't split it much in practice.
I think ultimately, we need to find a good solution to wingcuckery—both sides, as you mention—on the main site, and then it should become obvious what to do with Deux. We're in a bit of a holding pattern right now since nothing seems to be going terribly wrong, so probably nothing will change until someone starts to think there's an active issue. Carp's lurking somewhere, and he might have an opinion on the leftoid award proposal.
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Napoleon Complex in action? Also, I'm arguing about the idea of a chud splinter, I'm not that updated on the goings-on of Deuxrama at the moment.
I'm leaning towards a 'no' on that.
It's still in its infancy - LLM can probably turn it around, though I doubt it at this point.
Yes, it does symbolically split the userbase, even down the classic lines. As - I think it was "Slate Star Codex" noted - there tends to be a 'In-Theory Neutral' institution that was liberalized and a rightoid splinter, e.g. ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN vs. Fox News, with the consequence that the original institution becomes more and more leftoid. We don't need a CNNrDrama and a FoxrDrama.
It also threatens it by providing leftoid mods the excuse to purge and permaban chuds with the excuse of 'go to Deuxrama', which just can't end well, and I can see that happening if this whole split idea continues on.
Ultimately, there is no solution, people will always have opinions - the point is to prevent rDrama from falling into the exclusive or near-exclusive domain of one side or another. This is why, I presume, while despite the de facto open atmosphere, Carp (rightfully, in this case) dislikes the notion of 'free speech' - no leeway to deal with /pol/ gunking the place up. Also, a relatively comparable and small (i.e. not dominating the community) amount of wingcucks arguing with each other can be dramatic - who would want to kick Pizzashill out, for instance?
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I'm being a bit non-committal in answering because I've got to thread the needle of my personal views versus the fact I'm inevitably a representative of the jannie staff, but I do think your analysis is right. The one point I might differ on is that Deux is… mostly dead, so discussion of it is less about Deux itself than it is about main-site wingcuck policy. Strongest point in favor of putting it out to pasture being that it "provid[es] leftoid mods the excuse to purge and permaban chuds", not least since that's already been happening with that explicitly excuse. However, in a counterfactual world without Deux, there's probably still some rightoids getting permabanned under the current wingcuck policy. Overall, the primary assurance I can provide is that a similar debate to this one has been going on behind the scenes for some time, so perhaps the public debate here can inform it.
Given you alluded to Scott, any chance you're a Mottizen? The Drama–Deux dynamic amusingly parallels the Motte–CWR dynamic—and your CNNrDrama–FoxrDrama hypothetical.
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I've heard of the Motte, but haven't really dug into that sphere, or really posted there. I have read some of Scott Alexander's blogposts, though. Looks interesting though, I might get into it. I presume that's what /h/the_ivory_tower is supposed to be a copy of? If so, then I like the idea. What is CWR, though? Haven't heard of that.
Also, the point is to ban the wingcucks with the highest seriousposting/dramalessposting per capita, and to maintain a balance. I do understand the need to remain non-committal, however. Also, in practice, I suspect rightoids banned under such a policy might just go to Kiwi or similar instead of to LLM's fiefdom.
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/r/TheMotte which was a culture war discussion spin-off from /r/slatestarcodex. TheMotte are in the process of putting together their own off-site based on the rDrama code now too! And /r/CultureWarRoundup being the place Mottizens went to chudpoast when they didn't feel like writing paragraphs. /h/the_ivory_tower was originally just
@JugMoonalo wanting to make a place for long-form discussion, but some of us have been slowly trying to Motte-ify it 
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Sounds like a place I might join when it's ready, then!
Also, does that make CWR the chud offshoot of a chud offshoot?
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A brief glance at their front page shows it's about as lively as Deux
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Lol idk anything about the motte, but the name "the ivory tower" is a parody of "the motte"
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Was there ever anything but ironic longposting there? Seems like a weird take.
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Just get LLM hooked on some kind of downers or benzos to stay more placid.
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Did it ever occur to you that the only people seeking out Reddit clones are either:
FOSS Scizos, the sorts of people who think Pop_OS! is the greatest and most secure OS ever.
People who are too extreme for Reddit. Ha ha ha Gruumers meabs ban but overall Reddit's enforcement of it's rules is fricking lax. It's really easy to not get banned, just don't threaten to kill Landcucks, Leftchads, SRDines (yes, even if they deserve it), and/or
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So when you've got an Reddit Clone you're really only getting the socially maladjusted. It's not FemJ-12 conspiring to enact the moidcide, it's your undiagnosed Neurodivergence.
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The admins might be somewhat lazy, but the powerjannies and Bardfinn types certainly are not. Even if accounts are not purged with large frequency, what does it matter if any community gets banned or restricted, and you get subreddit-banned anyways? And it certainly would be in the interest of a for-profit business to strangle competitors in the crib, like with Ruqqus.
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Alternatively, Chudcucks just ruin everything they touch. As has been demonstrated thousands of times.
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The eternal 110th Website.
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They go through websites like they might condoms if they were more palatable to Womxn
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If I were as comfortable with rejection by women as I am by neckbeards, I'd have 50 children by now.
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Unless you get labeled as a DAS and then they go after you for any little thing
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Don't get DASmaxxed r-slur
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Sweaty did you not know of Marseygate? Lurkers here got their decade old accounts banned for drawing a pixel or two of Marsey FFS
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Yeah
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