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AN ARGUMENT AGAINST VIOLENT UPRISING

Surely no one these days would contest the notion that the rich are a parasitic and obsolete elite functioning only to drain our society at a crucial turning point in our history.

At previous times the death of the rich and their children would be a foregone conclusion at the hands of a starving angry mob. One can understand the natural impetus for such a course of action, as of a river overflowing its banks and sweeping away all in its path, without agreeing with the moral implications or endorsing violence.

But make no mistake: the rich, who are entrusted with the wealth of the nation, have squandered it. And a balance must be paid, not in cash.

Therefore as a more sensible and civilized alternative to the anger which simmers quietly despite the best efforts of the rich to remove it from the public square -- I have maintained a collection, it's not hard to see the taboo broken if you watch carefully -- let us suggest the following theory of capitalism and its relation to the State.

:#marseythinkorino:

Capitalism is the application of money-as-energy to the activity of the nation-state. The Baby Boomer generation was engaged in an ideological conflict with a purportedly anti-capitalist polity, and the trauma of this conflict locked them in an ideological death spiral. Unable to conceive of any reform to the functioning of the United States as anything other than Marxism or Communism, they became beholden to ideas of fair markets, fair play, and corporate freedom to such a bizarre and extreme extent that they became unable to recognize the collapse of their society into a mirror of the Communist dictatorships: the elite formed a Party which constituted an oligarchy.

Now oligarchy is not without its benefits. Some amount of centralized decision-making authority is necessary for the State to function.

But for the same reason that the Media is always necessarily an appendage of the State (because the Media must report on what People desire to hear and Americans never met a war they didn't like), Capital is also an extension of the State. When Capital becomes divorced from this essential function, it believes that it controls the country when it has merely been entrusted with decision-making authority over some portion of its resources.

If they make bad decisions their decision-making authority should and must be revoked.

Formally this comes as a seizure of their assets. Anyone with more than 10 million in assets simply shouldn't have it anymore.

The alternative is war upon the rich. Not because we want it, but because it's simply in the nature of the mass human beast. I do not advocate for violence simply by observing its inevitability.

What does the government do with those assets once they've been seized? A variety of redistributive measures may be considered, but I merely ask you to agree to the necessity of the seizure.

Remember, the State doesn't have to be fair. The State must employ the fact of its violence strategically to solve the problems faced by the People who, in a Democratic Republic, constitute its purpose.

YOUR RICHES DO NOT BELONG TO YOU

YOU ARE BUT A MANIFESTATION OF THE NEEDS OF THE STATE

AND IF YOU FAIL TO MEET THOSE NEEDS

YOUR RICHES SHOULD BE STRIPPED FROM YOU.

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:#marseyobamacope:

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Scentient :marseysniff:

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Darn this dude was cool

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aren't most of the losses of the last generation due to the middle class putting all their money into bad real estate bubbles?

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least brainwashed capitaloid

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Look, what I see is that every other country, people dying from too much cold or too much heat. The US just keeps the AC on. One is clearly still superior. All American piggu cry that market is crashing today, but market still better than what it was 2 years ago. Ameripiggu has no concept of real struggle.

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I never thought about the thermodynamic theory of geopolitics but now it is what i'm basing all of my decisions on.

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I mean it checks out. How can you be a real power if you have people dying from too much cold or hot.

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A moron watches other people struggle in the rising tide, not understanding it will reach his height eventually.

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but why would it reach the US? In 2021, renewable energy sources accounted for about 12.2% of total U.S. energy consumption and about 20.1% of electricity generation.

US coal mining levels are at 1970 levels - ![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/US_coal_production_1870_to_2018.png)

US oil production is still going up - https://www.macrotrends.net/i/large/us-crude-oil-production-historical-chart.png

US renewables is also rising fast though - https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images/2021.07.28/main.svg

In conclusion - US crashed it's coal market. It is left with primarily nuclear, renewables, and oil. One might even include nuclear in green energy so US electricity generations is 41% green energy if we count nuclear and renewables together.

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Nuclear is definitely green :marseyradioactive:

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Based hydroelectric PNWcels stay winning.

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The tide only goes so high up the beach. Just move away from the coast

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did they put their money into bad real estate bubbles or were they swindled by banks who gave loans they :marseyairquotes:shouldn't :marseyairquotes: have that nevertheless left the bank with the house and whatever money they took?

remember, banks get bailed out. the middle class doesn't.

the reason we're in this mess is because the rich claim they're not responsible for preventing the market from functioning like a goddarn casino.

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But it was the state suggesting that the banks should extend loans to as many people as possible because more home ownership looks great for politicians. How would you set up a state so it doesn't end up turning the market into a goddarn casino?

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Execute state employees who encourage the appearance of prosperity instead of the real thing

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But how do you measure that? People started distrusting metrics like GDP or median income, so home ownership came into focus.

>When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.

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You can leave it up to me to decide, I have an eye for these things

:#marseyjudge:

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I'm all in favor of murdering state employees so I'll trust you on this one. :marseythumbsup:

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Once you know you can't trust the current players, you shouldn't indulge argument against new leadership. "How would you set up a state so it doesn't end up turning the market into a casino" is a good question for after we have re-established the State's control over Capital.

You don't need to worry about every step, just the one in front of you. A new generation debating new economic policy will produce better results than the present situation.

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We've seen how state control can result in immense human misery. No point in overthrowing everything at massive cost if you're just exchanging one regime of oppression for another, no?

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the wave of resentment and anger at elites capitalized by Trump in 2016 is a harbinger of things to come. the state controls economic function either way. in 1776 we exchanged a regime of monarchic oppression for a republican form of oppression which included slavery, but don't tell me you want to go back to the era of kings like a chucklefrick substack blogger.

you can't avoid making a decision out of the fear of making a decision. man up, the decision is coming.

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You're not a commie are you? What would you have us do?

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fulfill the promise of capitalism by resetting the market to a fair state and beginning a 'new round.' alternatively turn over all executive corporate positions to AI and prohibit more than 4% ownership of one company by one individual or corporation.

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Oh so you are just completely living in a fantasy realm. Got it.

Imagine being so distrustful of your fellow humans you would rather allow a computer to make your decisions for you.

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>the state controls economic function either way

So why would even more state control be the answer? How would it not turn into a brutally inefficient and brutally corrupt Soviet Union 2.0? I'm ready to start minecrafting everybody above me on the wealth distribution but I do need some idea of how it would actually improve things.

Also I think the MAGA discontent is, in the end, about things far beyond the control of politics. Manufacturing is gone and will stay gone. Resources are expensive to exploit. Colonies or vassal states that would murder thousands of their own people in service of cheap bananas are not going to return.

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Why would anyone want the state to control capital? Like, that's a really bad idea

Just leave it to the rich. They are far more trustworthy

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dude no they're not, they act in short-sighted self-interest. the state is capital you moron. god you're illiterate.

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>they act in short-sighted self-interest

Like I said: trustworthy

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to be great you must think long term dipshit

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but then hasn't the fed fixed that problem now by stopping it's investment in that mortgage thingmajig a few days back?

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Sounds like wishful thinking to me as the recession starts digging its claws into the stock market, tearing it down.

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Yeah

They're literally trying to bring stocks and asset prices down. Like that's the point of what the Fed's doing right now

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didn't your market already crash and it is still above 2020 levels of wealth? According to market cap right now apple is worth more than 2.4 trillion USD. Microsoft is at 1.8 trillion USD. That's honestly not bad.

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it's still too early for my message. stock market crash is coming

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I bet against. Inflation rate has already been slowing down month on month. Basically the fed's job is to just keep the economy afloat for the next 1-2 years until inflation stabilizes without a crash.

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lmao

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I am usually right about this stuff. 2008 crash gave a blueprint of when things are getting bad. The fed noticed and reacted to it. You guys already missed hyperinflation. So now inflation induced market collapse is the prediction. But that only happens if the inflation does not decrease over time which it is.

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Post portfolio

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lmao slurred edit lmao ahahahaha

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if you sold when I first said 'sell all your stocks' you would be within a few months of the top of the market lmao ahahaha get wrekt

https://rdrama.net/post/18142/sell-all-your-stocks-losers

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yes, take the money from the rich, so it can be spent on better things like:

:marseypredator:, :marseyjetfighter:, :marseysaluteisrael:, :marseynotesglow:, :marseyspy:, :marsey1984:, :marseysunflower:, etc

The alternative is war upon the rich. Not because we want it, but because it's simply in the nature of the mass human beast. I do not advocate for violence simply by observing its inevitability.

:marseysal: not gonna happen m8. there isn't going to be a socialist uprising fam, have you seen the average leftist? most of them get PTSD from firing a gun

listen pal if the rightwing cant pull of a coup no one can :marseyshrug:

besides the rich have all the cards, even if the little guys organized they would just be crushed and propagandized out of existence.

The State must employ the fact of its violence strategically to solve the problems faced by the People who, in a Democratic Republic, constitute its purpose.

lmao, lol, rofl

YOU ARE BUT A MANIFESTATION OF THE NEEDS OF THE STATE

of course this is bait, and you aren't really a fascist... but ironic fascism is still fascism :marseydisagree:

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tl/dr?

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tl;dr: capitalism bad! Vote Democrat to save us from ourselves

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you perform illiteracy like a buffoon

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Listen, I know you’re a foid (at least you write like one), but if you want attention you’ve got to at least work with me here.

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if you want attention you’ve got to at least work with me here.

no, I actually don't lmao wtf

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:marseybeanangry:

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That's a foid thing to say. Equivalent of "I don't owe you anything" or "not my job to educate you sweety"

Impassionata = foid confirmed.

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I knew this would be an Impassionata longpost just from the title.

I don't agree with this $10 million cap because it doesn't allow people to build resource-intensive companies. Your typical microchip fabrication foundry is like a half-billion dollar investment, and we're going to need a lot of these fab plants in the near future as nation-states start to realize that warfare in the Digital Age is very different to all the forms of warfare that preceded it. How do you expect to get industrialists who can afford to build these kinds of facilities if you strip away their money? You think the government can successfully create a supersterile manufacturing facility?!? That's laughable. The more sophisticated technology gets, the more money people need to leverage that technology effectively.

Other than that, you're 100% correct here. Money is simply the latest and most recent evolution of power, and power is always doled out in proportion to your usefulness to the tribe. If your power ever exceeds your usefulness, you'll be killed by the rest of the tribe, and you deserve to be. At the same time, the tribe has an obligation to reward you in direct proportion to your usefulness. If you're not being adequately incentivized by your tribe for the benefits that you bring them, they cannot count on your loyalty. Power and loyalty go hand in hand: if you're not given one, you have no obligation to supply the other. As above, so below.

Sadly, because money is such an abstract concept, a lot of wealthy people see it as an entitlement - something that they earned and are entitled to, rather than an easily convertible form of power which can be doled out or stripped away at the discretion of the nation-state. They forget that ultimately, all of our lives belong to the State.

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Jesse what the frick are you talking about??

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Surely no one these days would contest the notion that the rich are a parasitic and obsolete elite functioning only to drain our society at a crucial turning point in our history.

You leave my precious job creators alone

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im not gonna read this but my main argument against violent uprising is that countries which have them usually end up worse than they were before, look at the arab spring, or russia in 1917

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America, France, and Norway all turned out alright iirc.

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:#marseymaoist:

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Convert Amazon stock into Obamaphones, it's easy.

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:#marseywords:

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>starving angry mob

:marseychonker2: :marseychonker2: :marseychonker2:

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