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:marseyblackgenocide: WaPo: Why doesn’t Argentina have more Black players in the World Cup? :marseybipocattentionseeker:

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As fans keep up with Argentina's success in this year's World Cup, a familiar question arises: Why doesn't Argentina's team have more Black players? In stark contrast to other South American countries such as Brazil, Argentina's soccer team pales in comparison in terms of its Black representation.

The observation is not a new one. In 2014, observers hurled jokes about how even Germany's soccer team had at least one Black player, while it appeared that Argentina had none during that year's World Cup Final. In 2010, Argentina's government released a census that noted 149,493 people, which amounts to 1 percent of the country, was Black. For many, that data seemed to confirm that Argentina was indeed a White nation.

But roughly 200,000 African captives disembarked on the shores of the Río de la Plata during Argentina's colonial period, and, by the end of the 18th century, one-third of the population was Black. Indeed, not only is the idea of Argentina as a White nation inaccurate, it clearly speaks to a longer history of Black erasure at the heart of the country's self-definition.

Argentines have several myths that purportedly "explain" the absence of Black Argentines.

Perhaps the first and most popular of those myths has been that Black men were used as "cannon fodder" resulting in a massive death toll during wars throughout the 19th century. Revolutionary armies, for example, conscripted enslaved people to fight in Argentina's wars of independence (1810-1819) against Spanish forces, with the promise of freedom after serving for five years.

But rather than dying on the battlefield, many simply deserted and opted to not return to their place of birth, as the historian George Reid Andrews has argued. Roll calls reveal that in 1829 the Afro-Argentine Fourth Cazadores military unit lost 31 soldiers to death and 802 to desertions. Some of these men relocated as far north as Lima, Peru. While some died and some departed, others returned home. Census data from Buenos Aires, Argentina's most populous city, reveal its African-descended population more than doubled in size from 1778 to 1836.

Another myth argues that because of the high death toll of Black men caused by the 19th-century wars, Black women in Argentina had no choice but to marry, cohabitate with or form relationships with European men --- leading to the "disappearance" of Black people. Miscegenation, or interracial mixing, over several generations is thought to have taken its toll, creating a physically lighter and Whiter population. In this telling, Black women were mere victims of an oppressive regime that dictated every aspect of their lives.

But more recent studies have instead revealed that some Black women in Argentina made concerted decisions to pass as White or Amerindian to obtain the benefits afforded by whiteness for their children and themselves. Taking advantage of various legal policies, some Black women, such as Bernabela Antonia Villamonte, could be born into captivity and die not only free but labeled as a White woman.

Other myths for the lack of Black representation in Argentine culture have focused on the outbreak of disease, especially yellow fever in 1871. Some argued that many Black Argentines were unable to move out of heavily infected areas of Buenos Aires due to their poverty and they succumbed to disease. This, too, has been debunked, as data shows that outbreaks did not kill off the Black population at higher rates than other populations.

These and other myths about Black "disappearance" in Argentina serve to obscure several of the nation's most enduring historical legacies.

In reality, Argentina has been home to many Black people for centuries --- not only the population of enslaved people and their descendants, but immigrants. Cape Verdeans began migrating to Argentina in the 19th century with their Portuguese passports and then entered the nation in larger numbers during the 1930s and 1940s seeking employment as mariners and dock workers.

But White Argentine leaders such as Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, ex-president of Argentina (1868-1874), crafted a different narrative to erase Blackness because they equated modernity with whiteness. Sarmiento wrote "Facundo: Civilization and Barbarism" (1845), which detailed Argentina's "backwardness" and what he and others perceived as the need to become "civilized." He was among those who shared a vision for the nation that associated it more strongly with European, rather than African or Amerindian, heritage.

Argentina abolished slavery in 1853 in most of the country and in 1861 in Buenos Aires. With its history of slavery behind it, Argentina's leaders focused on modernization, looking to Europe as the cradle of civilization and progress. They believed that to join the ranks of Germany, France and England, Argentina had to displace its Black population --- both physically and culturally.

In many ways, this was not unique to Argentina. This whitening process was attempted throughout much of Latin America, in places such as Brazil, Uruguay and Cuba.

What makes Argentina's story unique in this context, however, is that it was successful in its push to build its image as a White country.

For example, in the 1850s, the political philosopher and diplomat Juan Bautista Alberdi, who was perhaps best known for his saying "to govern is to populate," promoted White European immigration to the country. Argentine president Justo José de Urquiza (1854-60) supported Alberdi's ideas and incorporated them in the country's first constitution. Amendment 25 clearly stated: "The federal government shall foster European immigration."

In fact, ex-president Sarmiento remarked toward the end of the 19th century: "Twenty years hence, it will be necessary to travel to Brazil to see Blacks." He knew that Black Argentines existed but suggested that the country would not recognize them for long. Argentina's landscape was soon transformed, as 4 million European immigrants answered the government's call to migrate between 1860 and 1914. That clause remains in Argentina's constitution today.

As for the nation's Black and Amerindian populations who were in Argentina before this mass European immigration, many began to strategically identify as White if they could "pass" or to settle into more ambiguous racial and ethnic categories.

These categories included criollo (pre-immigrant background often affiliated with Spanish or Amerindian ancestry)*, morocho *(tan-colored), *pardo *(brown-colored) and trigueño (wheat-colored). While these labels ultimately cast them as "Others," they also helped dissociate them from blackness at a time when that was a state imperative.

Despite a history and its remnants that have sought to erase Blackness from the nation, Argentina's Black population remains, and more people of African descent have been migrating there.

Today, Cape Verdean immigrants and their descendants number 12,000 to 15,000 and primarily live in the Buenos Aires area. In the 1990s and 2000s, West Africans began migrating to Argentina in larger numbers, as Europe tightened its immigration laws. While the census revealed that Argentina housed nearly 1,900 African-born nationals in 2001, that number had nearly doubled by 2010. Over the past 10 years, African descendants from other Latin American countries such as Brazil, Cuba and Uruguay have also increasingly entered Argentina seeking economic opportunities.

This history makes clear that while Argentina's soccer team may not include people of African descent, or perhaps people that most would view as Black, it is not a "White" team either.

While Argentina has collapsed racial categories in its quest to be seen as a modern, White nation, the presence of people described as *morocho *nods to this history of Black and Indigenous erasure. Morocho, an inoffensive label, continues to be used in Argentina today. This term, which references those who are "tan-colored," has been used as a way of distinguishing non-White people.

Perhaps the most famous morocho in Argentina is soccer legend Diego Maradona, who came to prominence in the 1980s and 90s. The country had three days of national mourning when he passed away in November 2020. This non-White legend became the face of Argentine soccer and, ironically, a "White nation."

Various players on the team today are likely to be described as morocho in Argentina. Understanding this history reveals an Argentina that is far more diverse than many people often associate it with. It also points to the concerted efforts to erase and minimize Blackness in attempts to create what many of the nation's leaders perceived as a modern nation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2022/12/08/why-doesnt-argentina-have-more-black-players-world-cup/

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I'm waiting for tomorrow's WaPo article "Why is the Dutch team almost entirely black?"

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Argentina's soccer team pales in comparison

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It would be better if they actually sucked this year, then it would work on two levels. This way it's just a meh pun.

Rule: regular burger journos aren't allowed to write about football in any form. Or anything remotely related to football.

:#marseyredcard:

We can reconsider once they learn to call it football and have a team good-enough to qualify out of UEFA groups.

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TIL this is the argentinian president's son

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LOL :marseytrain2: is truly a rich mayo disease

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:marseyagreefast:

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Those calves sure are feminine

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I believe he's a drag queen tho, not an actual train

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*femboy. Don't let the chuds fool you.

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:marseybooba::marseybooba::marseybooba::marseytwerking::marseytwerking::marseytwerking:

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>Argentina's landscape was soon transformed, as 4 million European immigrants answered the government's call to migrate between 1860 and 1914.

Huh? I was told this was a racist conspiracy theory?

:#marseywrongthonk:

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:#marseypregunta:

no habla espanol senor

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>how to be european

>Be born in an european country

>"Che, i wish i knew how to read"

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Since it's WaPo, I'll assume the three myths are 95% true. Black slaves ran away to other countries, the women married Eurochads which mayo'd the bloodline, and others died from disease. An Argie historian used the "negro" word too often which got the journo's panties in a bundle.

These categories included criollo (pre-immigrant background often affiliated with Spanish or Amerindian ancestry)*, morocho *(tan-colored), *pardo *(brown-colored) and trigueño (wheat-colored). While these labels ultimately cast them as "Others," they also helped dissociate them from blackness at a time when that was a state imperative.

Libshits be seething at "I don't want to be a BIPOC" chads. But why? What could be possibly be wrong with the dark ones? Gotta be systemic and internalized racism in the ether.

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I think Roosevelt wrote about Brazil's race relations in the early 20th century when the Moorish elite(:marseysmug2:) was encouraging the Moor proles to blanda upp with bipocs to eradicate black culture. He found it more effective than burger segregation laws.

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B L E A C H E D . C O M

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Reminder if you're white say you're POC on your job resume. If they ask say you're argentinian

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"my grandfather was from agentina"

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WaPo is truly a state of mind

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A Dutch guy :marseypuke: was trying to hit on me yesterday at a bar that was playing the game, and the thing that decisively got him to go away was me telling him I was rooting for Argentina solely because Argentinians are hot, whereas anyone from the Netherlands is unfrickable

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So you had to lie to get him to go away? The absolute state of europoors :marseyitsover:

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Ah the claasic tale of people being nonwhite until they are compared to black people, and then suddenly they are white again.

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Argentina had a large Afro-Latinx population until the mid-19th century when racially motivated policies by then-president Domingo Faustino Sarmiento effectively segregated black Argentinians in terrible conditions leading to high rates of cholera and yellow fever, as well causing infant mortality rates among black Argentinians to skyrocket. He also conscripted predominantly black men into his army to fight in his failing war, effectively neutering the growth of black Argentinians to this day.

That doesn’t contradict what I’m saying. I’m saying there are no black Argentinians now in 2022.

:!#chad:

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I had to google maps argentina because this article put a doubt in me where argentina was. are :marseybrasileiro: players even black or just dark skinned? my homosexual neymar is black?

are these blacks or non-whites? https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841389101880882.webp

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That's white, I used an advanced filtration system to confirm.

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I prefer the adjusted for equity version.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1684128770473249.webp

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Now this I can get behind!

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it depends on their political leanings

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Mulattos and mestizos mostly. Maybe a zambo or two.

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And where there's Mulattos and Zambos you shall also find... La Luz Extinguido

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Kalergi plan was initially for europe, but now even Chile is getting too white and has been saddled with some pro immigration rabbis.

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>It..its the Jewchads fault I can't breed

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Pro tip-If you're willing to work like the average nip or gookcel you can have zero immigration even with a population in decline. :marseythumbsup:

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They all look mixed to some degree. Only the dude in black sort of looks like a Spaniard.

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wikipedia being completely unhelpful as usual

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These are his parents. The look predominantly black to me.

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:#marseysquint:

i dun know.... man why can't black people wear an identifier so that I don't confuse them with :marseybrasileiro:s??

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The :marseybrasileiro: is still partially black, there's almost always some italian or native or something else mixed in but almost every brazilian has some BBC in their family tree

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Vinicius Junior is black, everyone else is pardo

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There's very few brazilian "dark" black people , most are mulattos so they're brown skinned. Makes it pretty easy to spot African and Haitian immigrants here

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>argentina

>white

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Could the preferred destination for fugitive Nazis have a racism problem?

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This is great because no matter who wins, Argies lose (again)

:#marseycarpbritish:

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Nice post, bro! I posted it to twitter.

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I thought they were white :marseyblops2chadcel2: because Nazis fled there :marseycheerup: in masse


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Man scanning through your post history… its absolutely pathetic. Just scan through it yourself, and ask are those the posts of a stable guy with things going on in his life? Serious question, how old are you? Why do you constantly post about how shitty and whiney Reddit is but then spend time on it? Says a lot more about you than it does about this site.

Snapshots:

1 percent of the country, was Black:

disembarked on the shores of the Río de la Plata:

18th century, one-third of the population was Black:

has argued:

more recent studies:

did not kill off the Black population at higher rates than other populations:

"The federal government shall foster European immigration.":

three days of national mourning:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2022/12/08/why-doesnt-argentina-have-more-black-players-world-cup/:

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