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The online tabletop based sub /r/Roll20 bans AI-generated art form being posted because they consider it to be theft....While the website allows you to buy AI generated art tokens. Roll for initiative, we're going in!

https://old.reddit.com/r/Roll20/comments/10vgfvb/new_rule_no_aigenerated_art?sort=controversial

To add to the hilarity of it all: I am quite certain that the majority of users complaining about AI art have several times googled an image for "handsome tiefling female" or "Strong lizardfolk man with a blonde mohawk" and put that on their characters without giving the artist any recognition!

Please don't pee in the popcorn. Here are some highlights:

"It feels a little bit strange given that Roll20 expressly permits the sale of AI-generated art that has undergone any level of additional processing or modification post-generation.".

"This is a bad rule, and smells the same as people that didn't think digital art was real art when first introduced."

"This is a terrible policy. Roll20 literally sells AI art packs. So we can't even share screencaps including tokens from art packs we bought on roll20 in the roll20 subreddit? Are the mods huffing glue or something?"

"The reason being that webcrawl AI is art theft for the purpose of making art infinitely cheaper and thus not something artists will be able to do and survive on? Because that's the reason why the people who actually make art are upset about it AI. And considering it's their work that has been instrumental to produce these tools and they did not get paid for it a dime, even from the companies which monetize their generations through tokens, I'll side with them any day of the week."

"Your personal lack of care for something that affects you and people like you doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist or 'is silly'. If the price of cancer treatment goes up and a person with cancer says 'I honestly don't give a shit', it doesn't mean the price going up is not a problem."

"AI Art is literally cancer, local reddit user claims."

"Oh man good thing we have the Ethics Decider here to tell us that no ethics were violated! And of course he says that everyone who disagrees must just not understand - the true hallmark of a cryptobro now aggressively marketing a new avenue very legitimate Ethics Decider. Copyright has not been infringed upon and laws have not been broken because both law and copyright move at a glacial pace. Not all things that are legal are morally alright or should be allowed by platforms. I fully understand how AI art works. I also full reject your claim that it it's ethically sound in its current forms. It is an automated tool that bases its entire work on other works. Its sources are often dubious: artists generally don't get asked if they are okay with their works entering the pool that feeds the AI, and once the image is generated it's not possible to trace back which images have been fed into it. You're taking other people's work and you pretend that as long as the tool you use is complex enough, it is transformative. It is not."

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/10vxt7c/the_online_tabletop_based_sub_rroll20_bans/?sort=controversial

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AI art, apart from being amusing, also has the unique effect of making normies and artcels seethe. Do NOT tell them it’s not stealing, literally act like it’s actually just a massive art pack and just searches through tags, then it just gives you someone else’s art without credit. Tell them the only AI part is where it removes their watermark.

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Normies love AI art. It's the artcel-adjacent terminally-online leftoid jannies that are causing the most drama by deciding that AI art constitutes "theft" and is unwelcome in their communities.

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AI art is just a coverup for incredibly powerful compression algorithms because if their true nature was known, information scientists would be revealed as the fraudulent hacks they are

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:marseyhesright:

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"I hate AI art because I want to steal art to use for my nerdshit board game from a real person who spent hours making it not some computer program”

BASED REDDITORS???

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None of these artcels cried for

  • the car builders replaced by robots

  • or for fast food workers replaced by kiosks

  • accountants replaced by software

But now that its their skills being automated we have to listen to then whine.

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They are just luddites who want to prop up the dumb internet based commission art industry. Since most internet leftoids choose their ideology mostly because they need to blame capitalism for their own lack of success, they see no problem in protecting the extremely corporate backed concept of intellectual property and the petty tyrant content creators who exist because of capitalist excess.

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I'd shit up their sub but I just logged in and found out reddit banned yet another one of my accounts :marseycry: fricking fascists

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I love how neurodivergent TTRPG players are. It makes it so you can always see something turboneurodivergent that’s new but also never be actually surprised.

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A lot of them are heckin chuds too, but you only see the soy phenotype ones online now.

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This is because chuds have an irl group they've played 3.5 with for the past twenty years and no reason to go online

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This is because chuds have an irl group they've played 3.5 with for the past twenty years

:#marseybased:

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Man, I miss my 3.5 group

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Want a new 3.5e group that meets at random infrequent intervals that also plays GURPS, AD&D, and whatever else people are willing to run?

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I’m too neurodivergent to meet new people, kind of you to offer though

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>3.5

Try GURPS 4e.

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tabletopcels on suicide watch

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We should just call AI Art "sampling" other artists like they do in music and then it's okay. I don't see any difference

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AI art is theft, sampling is a proud tradition where people of colour revolutionise and culturally enrich boring white music by talking over the top of it and calling it a new song

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Corporations tried and failed to lock down the

way music was used and distributed decades ago. Constant moral arguments about how it was stealing (lmao my ears are stealing a copy of your work) fell on deaf ears and ended up pushing much more reasonable music distribution services later.

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Yeah imagine having to buy dvds for like a dollar to bootleg movies for your tv when you could just pay 8.99 for netflix instead

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what the heck is roll 20 that sounds like some loser butt board game stuff only some loser butt loser would ever play :talk2hand:

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Correct!

:#marseythumbsup:

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I don't care if AI art is theft, but I do care about every idiot on reddit spamming my feed with the results of their le funny AI art prompts and depraved weeb fantasies. We need to make it more difficult to draw stuff, not less.


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"It feels a little bit strange given that Roll20 expressly permits the sale of AI-generated art that has undergone any level of additional processing or modification post-generation.".:

"This is a bad rule, and smells the same as people that didn't think digital art was real art when first introduced.":

"This is a terrible policy. Roll20 literally sells AI art packs. So we can't even share screencaps including tokens from art packs we bought on roll20 in the roll20 subreddit? Are the mods huffing glue or something?":

"The reason being that webcrawl AI is art theft for the purpose of making art infinitely cheaper and thus not something artists will be able to do and survive on? Because that's the reason why the people who actually make art are upset about it AI. And considering it's their work that has been instrumental to produce these tools and they did not get paid for it a dime, even from the companies which monetize their generations through tokens, I'll side with them any day of the week.":

"Your personal lack of care for something that affects you and people like you doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist or 'is silly'. If the price of cancer treatment goes up and a person with cancer says 'I honestly don't give a shit', it doesn't mean the price going up is not a problem.":

"AI Art is literally cancer, local reddit user claims.":

"Oh man good thing we have the Ethics Decider here to tell us that no ethics were violated! And of course he says that everyone who disagrees must just not understand - the true hallmark of a cryptobro now aggressively marketing a new avenue very legitimate Ethics Decider. Copyright has not been infringed upon and laws have not been broken because both law and copyright move at a glacial pace. Not all things that are legal are morally alright or should be allowed by platforms. I fully understand how AI art works. I also full reject your claim that it it's ethically sound in its current forms. It is an automated tool that bases its entire work on other works. Its sources are often dubious: artists generally don't get asked if they are okay with their works entering the pool that feeds the AI, and once the image is generated it's not possible to trace back which images have been fed into it. You're taking other people's work and you pretend that as long as the tool you use is complex enough, it is transformative. It is not.":

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