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EFFORTPOST :marseyflagsouthafrica: The disbanding of the :marseyfefe: Scorpions :marseyfefe: - the SA FBI, by the ANC upon Zuma's presidential victory in 2009 :marseyflagsouthafrica:

The Scorpions :marseyfefe: were a highly specialized anti-corruption crime-fighting unit of RSA :marseyflagsouthafrica: which operated under the Mbeki Administration. They could closest be described as the South African FBI, but specifically specialized as an anti-corruption unit.

They technically existed as a unit during the NP Regime, pre democratization of SA, but existed as an anti-espionage unit in the 1980s, to determine any communist sympathisers.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1705398424319563.webp

The Scorpions, or Directorate of Special Operations (DSO) as they were officially known, worked for the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA), the agency of the South African Government responsible for state prosecutions. Basically they were established by President Mbeki in 1998 as an official crime-fighting unit , whom wanted to convert the very useful talent in the Directorate of Special Operations, but wanted to wash away the connections to Apartheid, thus the rebranding to the :marseyfefe: Scorpions.

By 1998, even Mbeki had already recognized the widespread corruption infesting national, provincial and municipal governments in SA due to the rapid change of regime through nepotism instead of meritocracy. The Scorpions were created (rebranded), and unleased to cull corruption within the fledgling democratic state.


SCORPIONS SUCCESSFUL:

https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/scorpions-will-target-organised-crime-10792

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1705398424382143.webp

By the time the Scorpions were disbanded in 2009, their taskforce numbered at 526 individuals. The Scorpions held very high levels of operation

:carpbuff: :marseymacholegs: power, and could basically investigate any individual or politician in the country.

It came to focus on such crimes as drug trafficking; white-collar crime in government and the private sector, especially organised corruption and serious and complex financial crime; and money laundering and racketeering.

The Scorpions were VERY successful, having obtained a conviction rate of over 90%. By February 2004, they had completed 653 cases, comprising 273 investigations and 380 prosecutions. 349 prosecutions resulted in convictions, representing an average conviction rate of 93.1%. Between 2005 and 2007, they initiated 368 investigations, completed 264, and prosecuted 214, with a conviction rate of 85%; during that period they also seized R1 billion in assets and contraband worth R1 billion.

https://www.news24.com/news24/opinions/analysis/sunday-insight-south-africa-harvesting-the-bitter-fruit-of-the-ancs-polokwane-revolution-20200726


SCORPIONS GROW UNPOPULAR:

By 2006 this tiny crime-fighting unit demonstrated stunning success after success, they were locking up white-collar criminals one after the other, and they held widespread popularity amongst the SA public due to their cleaning up corruption in the SA financial sector.

However, their shining so :marseysun: bright also made them unpopular amongst their contemporaries. Basically it boiled down to the Scorpions made the increasingly corrupt and inept SAPS (South African Police Service) look very bad in comparison. By 2006, crime and theft had increased drasitically 12 years after democratization, and the nepotism of the SAPS had its toll on the competency of the police force, effectively the Scorpions was the lone fricking arm in the whole nation of 45 million fricking people doing its job :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed:

Additionally there was also a racial element to the friction between SAPS high command, and the Scorpions. The Scorpions was commanded by majority white men, while by 2005, pretty much 100% of the nation's municipal Police departments were commandeered by black or coloured officers.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17053984245385413.webp

https://journals.assaf.org.za/index.php/sacq/article/view/953

Supposedly the strained relationship between SAPS and the Scorpions was the lack of communication between the Scorpions and SAPS High Command, in that Scorpions would continiously overstep over SAPS's jurisdiction when it came to arresting or investigating specific targets, and that they held far too much power in their ability to overrule any constraint or red-r*pe, which SAPS claimed the Scorpions abused.

But trust me, ALLLL of us listening to this bullshit at the ground level on the radio, knew these were petty and spiteful complaints, and that the SAPS complaints against the Scorpions were either, racially :marseykkkblm: motivated, jealousy :marseysourgrapes: because the Scorpions were demonstrating just how shit the SAPS had become by being excellent in comparison, or because the SAPS high officer ranks were nervous their corrupt friends were under pressure. :marseysweating: :marseyworried:


Regardless, in 2005-2006 Mbeki allowed a commission to review the goals and mandate of the DSO (Scorpions), and to determine if they held too much power. Many corrupt ANC officials supported this investigation/commission because they wanted to temper the Scorpion's power and reach. :blacksoyjak: :blacksoyjak: :blacksoyjak:

""Common complaints were that the details of the Scorpions' investigations were frequently leaked to the public before prosecution had commenced; that the Scorpions abused their power in exercising search and seizure warrants (including in the Zuma investigation, in which the ANC said that they had displayed "Hollywood tactics"); that they pursued selective and politically motivated prosecutions; and that they did not work well with the South African Police Service (SAPS)."" :chudrage: :chudrage: :chudrage:

Mbeki formed what was known as the "Khampepe Commission" which basically investigated whether the Scorpions should continue as they were or not.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1705398424646791.webp

Long boring story short, Mbeki basically turbo cucked the corrupt ANC officials by saying essentially "Nope, Scorpions can continue to go as they were" :marseyclueless: :marseyclueless: :marseyclueless: :marseyemojirofl: :marseyemojirofl: :marseyemojirofl:

This made the ANC officials who had wanted to use the Khampepe Commission to restrict the Scorpion's power go full :purerage: :purerage: :purerage: and was one of the reasons why Mbeki would lose favour amongst his previous ANC internal allies.


ZUMA vs MBEKI:

https://rdrama.net/post/203575/marseyflagsouthafrica-jacob-zuma-rpe-trial-and

I made a longpost a few months ago about how Zuma would enter the SA public consciousness due to his famous r*pe trial, and how he eventually would oust Mbeki as president of the ANC party, and become eventual president of the country of South Africa.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1705398424841274.webp

In case you guys forgot, in South Africa we do not vote for a President or presidential admin in the way the yanks do, instead we vote for political parties, and those parties in turn decide amongst themselves whom shall lead them, usually prior to each election. The ANC would have their 5-year congress to decide their leader every 5 years, along with decisions what policies the party were to follow (which is where the African National Congress name came from).

And fatefully that December 2007 in an upheaval, the far more radical and leftwing Zuma would oust the more neoliberal-oriented Mbeki as ANC-president. :marseyscream: :marseyscream: :marseyscream:

And guess what!? A key part of Zuma's platform was the disbanding of the Scorpions, a very popular notion amongst his political supporters! The extraordinary thing was that average black people on the ground level approved of the Scorpions and their anti-corruption work! But it was the ANC-elite political class which supported Zuma's platform to disband the Scorpions, yet because of wingcuckery :marseywingcuck: :marseywingcuck: :marseywingcuck: ANC supporters would not make even a blip of a sound in protest to this fragrantly obviously self-servingly corrupt move! :marseyilluminati: :marseyfsjal: :marseyfacepeel:

Like you guys need to understand what a shitshow this moment was in RSA politics. Mbeki had his failings as a leader, and his weakness to not prosecute nepotism and incompetence in his goverment nationwide, BUT ZUMA was a whole other level of insidious corruption!


The decision of disbanding the Scorpions was controversial, and it was opposed by a majority of South Africans

https://mg.co.za/article/2008-02-10-battle-over-future-of-the-scorpions

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17053984250214646.webp

"The Inkatha Freedom Party, the Democratic Alliance (DA), the African Christian Democratic Party, the Independent Democrats, the United Democratic Movement, and the Congress of the People all expressed extreme dismay over the decision, and the DA was prominent in accusing the ANC of making the move in order to subvert investigations into corrupt ANC officials."

https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/scorpions-support-grows-401317

"However, because the ANC had a supermajority in Parliament, opposition parties had little legislative recourse to oppose the amendments. Mbeki, still the national President though no longer the ANC President, also reportedly fought to keep the Scorpions intact."


https://mg.co.za/article/2008-02-14-zille-takes-scorpions-battle-to-zuma

====(from article)

Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille is to request a meeting with African National Congress president Jacob Zuma to discuss the future of the Scorpions, she said on Thursday.

Zille told the Platform for Public Deliberation at the University of the Witwatersrand: ”I intend to put this challenge to him. I will write to Mr Zuma and request an urgent meeting to state unambiguously the disastrous consequences that disbanding the Scorpions will have for South Africa. :marseywomanmoment: :marseywomanmoment: :marseywomanmoment: yeah cuz he sure as shit will listen :marseywomanmoment: :marseywomanmoment: :marseywomanmoment:

NEWSPAPER REACTIONS AT THE TIME:

‘Is this the true heart of the ANC?'

Newspaper editorials condemned the move.

Business Daywrote: ”Without advancing a single coherent argument, the ruling party not only decides to get rid of a vanguard force in the fight against organised crime and corruption, it announces it to the world as a fact, as though Parliament simply does not exist.

”Is this the true heart of the ANC? Is this the essence of the movement we danced in the streets for in 1994?”

The Citizen wrote that by making the announcement on Wednesday, Nqakula considered it ”already done and dusted, forgetting the small detail of the move having to be approved by Parliament”. ”The crime-fighting unit was created by an Act of Parliament and must be disbanded by majority vote.”

The editorial continued: ”So much for accountability by government, so much for oversight by those chosen to serve the interests of the people. And so much for consideration of the disapproval of many South Africans.” ”… The burning question is why would the ANC leadership want to disband the very unit it created, and which it now fears because of its success? How many more worms will be concealed in the woodwork with the Scorpions gone?”

Beeld said that because the Scorpions were brought to life by Parliament, it was therefore Parliament's job to dissolve them, not Nqakula's. ”The minister's actions strengthen the perception that South Africa is now governed out of Luthuli House in Johannesburg — the seat of the ANC president [Jacob Zuma] — and not out of the Union Buildings in Pretoria, the seat of the president [Thabo Mbeki].

Beeld continued that it was the Zuma faction within the ANC that want to take the sting out of the Scorpions who had brought Zuma to court [for a forthcoming fraud and corruption trial].

====(END ARTICLE)


DISBANDING:

"The ANC's 52nd National Conference held in Polokwane in 2007 was a watershed moment. Jacob Zuma's ascension as party president was a clear indication of shifting power dynamics. The conference's resolution to disband the Scorpions can be seen in this context; Zuma and his allies consolidated power, and the unit's dissolution was part of this consolidation. On 23 October 2008, the National Assembly passed both amendments by a vote of 252 in favour and 63 opposed." :marseydeadinside3: :marseydeadinside2: :marseydeadinside3: :marseysuicide: :marseysuicide: :marseysuicide:

"The Scorpions' disbandment has often been interpreted as a mechanism to protect powerful politicians from scrutiny, particularly as the elite crime-fighting unit had previously pursued some of South Africa's most influential figures. The National Prosecuting Authority (NPA), which the Scorpions were part of, seemed to be gaining too much momentum in challenging political corruption. South Africa, during this period, witnessed a growing narrative of corruption, especially within its political class. State Capture, a term that became synonymous with the Zuma presidency, reflected a broader problem of systemic corruption. The Scorpions, with their track record, were naturally positioned to challenge this status quo. Their removal was therefore viewed as part of a larger tapestry of efforts to safeguard corrupt practices at the highest echelons of power. " :marseyitsover: :marseyitsover: :marseyitsover: :marseyitneverbegan: :marseyitneverbegan: :marseyitneverbegan: :marseygiveup: :marseygiveup: :marseygiveup:

https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7685927.stm

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17053984251457796.webp

"The Scorpions unit has shaken South Africa's political landscape in the last few years, probing and arresting several prominent politicians, our correspondent says. But observers say the unit, formally known as the Directorate of Special Operations, pushed its luck too far when it pressed corruption charges Mr Zuma. That case was at the centre of a power struggle between Mr Zuma and Thabo Mbeki, with Mr Zuma's allies accusing Mr Mbeki's supporters of using the Scorpions to stop his rival gaining power." :slapfight: :bitchslap:


This article has the single best summary.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17053984253187196.webp

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/12/southafrica.internationalcrime

====(FROM ARTICLE)

The elite South African anti-crime unit that targeted the new African National Congress leader, Jacob Zuma, in a corruption investigation is to be disbanded.

The party claims the FBI-style force known as the Scorpions employed "Hollywood tactics" against Zuma when raiding several of his and his lawyer's properties in 2005.

Zuma, who deafeated the country's president, Thabo Mbeki, for the ANC leadership, is due to stand trial later this year charged with bribery, fraud, racketeering, money-laundering and tax evasion. It is not clear how the disbandment will affect the trial.

The security minister, Charles Nqakula, announced the decision to parliament today. To cheers from ANC deputies, he said: "The Scorpions will be dissolved and the organised crime unit of the police will be phased out and a new amalgamated unit created."

The Scorpions represents the investigation arm of the national prosecuting authority. However, police view the unit as invading its jurisdiction.

At December's ANC conference, which elected Zuma as leader, delegates voted to scrap the unit amid claims it had tried to smear Zuma and deny him the leadership.

The move is interpreted as a sign of renewed infighting between Mbeki and Zuma factions. Mbeki, who established the Scorpions in 1999, is due to hand over power next year, depending on the outcome of Zuma's trial.

Outraged opposition deputies branded the disbandment as an ANC attempt to control over parliament and President Mbeki.

"This announcement once again shows that the country is now run, not by parliament, but by those few in Luthuli House [ANC headquarters]," said Dianne Kohler Barnard, spokeswoman for the Democratic Alliance.

The Scorpions also led the inquiry into South Africa's police chief and head of Interpol, Jackie Selebi, who has been charged with corruption for accepting bribes from a convicted drug trafficker in return for protecting drug shipments, passing on secret reports from the UK and interfering with a murder inquiry.

Although the disbandment must be still be ratified by parliament, given the ANC's domination, the move seems inevitable. :marseyitsallsotiresome: :marseyitsallsotiresome: :marseyitsallsotiresome:

====(end guardian article)

https://mg.co.za/article/2008-07-30-parliament-scorpions-will-be-dissolved


ATTEMPT TO SAVE SCORPIONS:

https://www.npr.org/2008/06/11/91359321/south-africas-fbi-falls-victim-to-politics

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1705398425491496.webp

===(from NPR article)

Public support for the Scorpions is still high. Johannesburg businessman Hugh Glenister is working through the court system in an effort to save the unit. He has also collected at least 45,000 signatures through a Web site created in support of the Scorpions. Glenister says that disbanding the crime unit is the beginning of a slippery slope. :marseyslipperyslope: :marseyslipperyslope2:

"Once we've taken out the Scorpions, what next?" Glenister says. "The Scorpions is the last guardian of the public, really, between greedy politicians and the public."

Amid the turmoil, some Scorpions have begun leaving the unit. Some observers predict members will disband the unit themselves before any official move, leaving the future of their cases and investigations uncertain. :marseypeaceout: :marseypeaceout: :marseypeaceout:

====(end quote)


Anyways that's all I got :marseywave2:

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!effortposters another kaamrev banger

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My dad used to work for the Scorpions. Based neighbors, they'd personally arrest you and then personally prosecute you in court. Criminals were genuinely afraid of them.

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It was extraordinary because of how small the Scorpions were in terms of scope. At their height, the organization was only 500 men strong, and the amount of cases they prosecuted and resolved were few, and largely a pebble on a mountain of white-collar corruption,

yet the ripple effects of their activity caused criminals to shit brix countrywide, and corruption drastically went down as corrupt politicians and business owners would shiver in their boots in naked fear at this tiny organization

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shieeetz so you're really from :marseyza#:

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!nooticers @Majin-Boobs everytime I read your posts I turn more and more into a racist :marseyblackface: which I know is wrong. Please :marseyinshallah: tell me there :marseycheerup: is at least one competent majority black :marseyyakub: organization there.

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There is but tribal nepotism and populism along with external hatred against whites ( whether we deserve it or not) makes black peeps

Very reluctant to Keep their elected officials to a high standard

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You guys need to start supporting the corrupt people then the blacks will support honest ones to spite you instead

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:brainele#phant:

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https://media.giphy.com/media/9058ZMj6ooluP4UUPl/giphy.webp

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That's like in the US. They'll treat the black elected official to a lower standard and those towns are complete shit shows.

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1705428039095239.webp

I AM AND FOREVER WILL BE DOLTON'S MAYOR

https://tiktok.com/@jackmacbarstool/video/7315657155481308447

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It seems pretty obvious that South Africa will devolve into Zimbabwe within 20 years

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:#carpitsover:

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Please tell me there is at least one competent majority black organization there.

N-namibia :marseysweating:

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Botswana is doing well! :marseyexcited:

It's pretty much the only sub-Saharan country that's doing well.... :marseydespair:

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Nigeria?

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Their economy is growing due to having oil, but it's a bit of shit show in some ways

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Yeahh... better than most of them. :marseythumbsup:

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Why so nervous?

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Dont bother he's as much of a right wingnut as the standard, the posts are informative about stuff and about novel things so its still high quality.

The wingcuck aspect is hidden well, it pops out about whats ommited and we are all fricking clueless about South Africa so you dont notice :donkeykonggigathonk: Take all their posts about south africa hating Isreal, its just those stupid blacks bashing isreal for no reason apart from its a distraction and they dont like colonialism: strange for a poster that always posts about historical stuff to leave out some historical context the average burger might not know

Isreal uniquely helped out the apartheid regime.

It makes sense for black south africans and ANC pokiticians in particular to hate the country that more than anybody else helped arm the apartheid government that thought you were sub-human and who killed imprisoned and tortured your party colleagues: However you see africans are stupid and virtue signal, it couldnt be them being rational and moral and identifying with the people being oppressed by the country that helped out the apartheid oppressors, thats a white people thing.

Thats how it works

:marseylongpost:

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Orrrrr maybe they just want a distraction from their own shitty govenance by looking for an easy win in the news. The ANC is savvy to manipulating global public opinion, it's how they won power after all.

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Both can be true, they still have valid reason to hate the izzies and identify with Palestinians.

Christ rdrama is unironically full of rukkus refugees, yeah the ANC were good at manipulating public opinion, do you know what makes it easy to manipulate public opinion, when your opponents are a bunch of racial extremists who shoot school kids.

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>the far more radical and leftwing Zuma

did zuma ever actually do anything left wing or radical for south africa or was he just a BIPOC? every post you do with him has zuma either consolidating power/selling out to jeets/whining about whitey. im too lazy to search for myself

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He enacted some very leftwing populist policies, including the decades long controversial "Presciption without Compensation" policies which have often led to disaster

Where effectively due to RSA's very strong ownership laws of Real Rights (land and building ownership), the ANC radicals continiously debated how to take land from white farmers, and give it to black peeps, a constant political populist rally because of wealth income inequality in SA.

The issue was, that since Mandela's admin, that the ANC would follow the policy of attempting to buy land from farmers at market cost, which as you can imagine would put a dent into the party's budget, land would mostly have to be bought from willing farmers (mostly whites), unless there were abnormal circumstances like farmland lying over a very rich gold or coal ore veins, in which the gov had strong power to force a farmer to sell his land at market cap price to the gov, in the very least the farmer would not be deprived without at least some compensation.

The "Prescription without Compensation" policy i even MORE radical as it involves the legal seizure of land, without choice on the famer's behalf, and more importantly without payment, meaning it's state theft in all but name. And because RSA has very strong landownership laws, this puts this radical policy straight against a constitional crisis.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2010-03-02-massive-farm-failure-in-sa

However the ANC would back off in this radical approach when it began to be realized, that most black peeps who would obtain these seized land, would not do commercial farming, and instead only did subsistance farming, which would not meet RSA's grain and corn demands for food security.

Adidtionally farms forcibly seized through forced prescription and forced compensation, would fail under black leadership, since the farms would not be placed under competent hands, like the local black managers who previously worked under the previous white owners, and instead was given through nepotism to friends of political officials who stipped these farms of their equipment and seed to sell for personal profit,

And thus the local farmworkers who had work under the white farmer and their families were literally jobless in desolate lands due to absolute mismanagement

thus policies with the best of intentions would lead to local ruination due to ANC corruption, but that's another very difficult and complex longpost separately

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that most black peeps who would obtain these seized land, would not do commercial farming, and instead only did subsistance farming, which would not meet RSA's grain and corn demands for food security.

Reminds me of Brazilian populoid r-slurs supporting landless movements like MST while whining about “muh land reform” “muh organic farming with no chemicals”. As if you could feed 200 million people and being a large exporter of food (therefore essential to global supply chains) with subsistence organic farming only, at least Lula is not stupid to implement that and only pays lip service to social land movements while maintaining business as usual policy with the agro.

!neolibs

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They tried that in Sri Lanka two years ago. Had some nutter :marseysaluteindia: :marseywomanmoment2: who believed in weird Vedic/Hindu naturalism come in and get them to ban fertilizer and pesticide. Production of tea and rice, their main exports, fell by more than 50%, and the whole program contributed greatly to their ongoing economic collapse.

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Adidtionally farms forcibly seized through forced prescription and forced compensation, would fail under black leadership, since the farms would not be placed under competent hands, like the local black managers who previously worked under the previous white owners

It speaks to the competence of black managers that farmers consistently hired them over rural Afrikaners during apartheid, despite massive government pressure.

In response, the apartheid government funded tens of thousands of do-nothing jobs for rural Afrikaners, surely not laying the groundwork for anything :marseyteehee:

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Really? :marseyshook:

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Posts like this is why I do Heroine.

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Quick read through wikipedia says he did have leftwing policies (HIV/AIDS campaign while mbeki denied it apparently, more gibs, education free for poor people and the lot), along with more black nationalism from what the previous longposts mentioned about him.

He himself on the other hand is infamous for that r*pe case where he said something about showering to prevent r*pe or some shit and selling out SA to the Gupta brothers.

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Zuma was the guy who claimed you could cure AIDS by showering lol

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lol wikipedia is being tarded then no mention of the shower thing near his Aids campaign part

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did zuma ever actually do anything left wing or radical for south africa or was he just a BIPOC?

Yeah he consolidated power and whined about whitey :marseysmug:

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Zuma was the Gupta brothers stooge right ? Were they being scrutinised by Scorpions or was the Gupta-Zuma thing after Scorpions disbanded. Also imagine any democratic president/prime minister having the power to disband the FBI of their country, seems a bit too excessive (except for in SA I suppose)

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The Scorpions were busy uncovering Zuma's corruption and his connection to the Guptas, and Zuma basically became desperate and twisted arms all over the internal ANC party to dethrone Mbeki.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1705402948987666.webp

The ANC held absolute domination over RSA for 20 years, at an average of 65-75% of the national vote. They literally controlled every apparatus of the gov - they had like zero opposition in the parliament to enact their will.

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So it is all connected, I feel smart :marseynooticeglow:

Also a party named COPE coming in last just divine comedy

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Time to read but I already upmarseyd it so probably just forgot what I read

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COPE

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>radical and leftwing Zuma

Uhm.. !Commies? Our response?

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:#marseydisintegrate: :!#marseyflamewar::space::!marseyagree:

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Why are you nervous?

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sounds like our CPIB or Hongkong's ICAC

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HongKong's ICAC is now an anti-wrongthink agency

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very sad state of affairs :#marseydepressed: i loved the 80's/90's hongkong movies for their lack of political correctness because it's fricking funny and you can tell from the current year movies from over there they're being muzzled

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Chinese Communists are the BIPOCs of East Asia. :marseyshiftyeyes:

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What happened? :marseyshook:

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The ANC is really a specimen. or is it your posts that paint it in that light?! :marseythonk:

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The ANC is possibly one of the most corrupt political parties in the world, and possibly in human history.

Remember if you don't have to compete, you don't have to care.

With the unique history of South Africa, and the influence Apartheid had upon the black population, the ANC had absolute undying loyalty as Mandela's party for most, so wingcuckey will enable the ANC to be as corrupt as humanly possible ,and still be supported by their loyal followers, as the party that brought the Apartheid regime to its knees.

In countries like burgerland, though there is corruption, the scale cannot be compared. If a politician fricks up, then pressure is exerted to replace them during elections.

In RSA, a large population cannot even read newspapers, and inter tribal language news sources are biased. So while the "white" media may screech their lungs out about Zuma's absurd and obscene corruption, the black peeps in townships dont care, becaue the ANC gives them grants every month which keeps them fed - they cannot realize that the ANC is SUPPOSED to do so much more as a gov, like repairing the roads, ensuring there is electricity over all townships, repairing pipes, and ensuring a police force exists to keep people safe.

But again the unique circumstances which has led the ANC to such a dominant position in the current day of 2024, means as is always repeated, if you dont have to compete, you dont have to care about running a country well.

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Remember if you don't have to compete, you don't have to care.

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All those words won't bring daddy back.

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Surely :marseyaware: this will help turn safrica into the proud :marseyghosthappy: ebonic communist :marseysalutebulgaria: utopia :marseypolpot: it deserves to be

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Additionally there was also a racial element to the friction between SAPS high command, and the Scorpions. The Scorpions was commanded by majority white men, while by 2005, pretty much 100% of the nation's municipal Police departments were commandeered by black or coloured officers.

Isnt identity politics great? But hey, theres no way making politics based on race could be abused, or would undermime meritocracy, shitlibs assured me of that!

Basically everything about South Africa is evidence that diversity is not our strength, but a disaster waiting to happen that will tear a society apart and destroy everything, because people would rather vote for a worse future as long as their race is in charge.

Almost like theres a reason relatively weak nation-states rose to the top of global powers over nominally much more powerful multi-ethnic empires.

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Yeah it only took multi-cultural Roman Empire about 1000+ years to fall. The Mongols through Kublai Khan created the Yuan dynasty of China which failed for 200 or so years.

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But the Yuan Dynasty and Mongols didn't fail? :marseyconfused:

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Most of the Khanates fricked up shortly, and the Yuan Dynasty was one of the shortest reigns in China, even after they integrated and adopted Han culture.

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Yuan got replaced by the Ming after their traditional spergout of killing off millions of farmers.

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Are you saying Rome was better than Yuan China? :marseyshook:

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>mfw sphereboy is teasing me

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I'm not teasing you :marseysad:

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Almost like theres a reason relatively weak nation-states rose to the top of global powers over nominally much more powerful multi-ethnic empires.

Who? The British Empire, France with her colonies, USA, and USSR were all multiethnic. Monoethnic Germany got her teeth kicked in. The nation-states that succeeded the Ottoman and Austrian Empires have never come close to their former glory.

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Neither the british empire nor the frog one was actuslly multiethnic. There was one clearly on top, with the other ethnicities as disenfranchised colonial subject.

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The British Empire was also made up of Scottish and Irish soldiers and bureaucrats and they put Indians, Malays and (arguably) Indians (feather) in positions of power over other colonials in other colonies. There was also a definite attempt by the British to depict the empire as a brotherhood of nations and ethnicities under a single crown.

The French also went a step further the British and explicitly were trying to turn their subjects to complete Frenchmen under the Empire and Republic.

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That's true of the Frogs, but the Scots and Irish helped run the Bong Empire from the start. Duke of Wellington, for one

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France itself is pretty monoethnic, especially back then. The only traditional ethnic minorities in the early 20th century (that aren't just slightly different frogs that speak funny) were Basques, Bretons, Jews, Corsicans and a couple of border Germans and they were all on the extreme periphery minus the Jews. Germany back then was definitely more multiethnic with large number of Poles, Czechs and French speakers

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The First French Empire is the largest exception, but then again only 1/4 of France spoke French at the time and its emperor was Corsican, so :marseyshrug:

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but then again only 1/4 of France spoke French at the time

Occitan is not a real language, just r-slurred French :!marseyindignant:

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Ottomans were multi-ethnic.

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I think he was saying that the successor states were shittier states than the Ottomans

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Yes, but its successor nation-states are all much shittier

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The decision of disbanding the Scorpions was controversial, and it was opposed by a majority of South Africans

And that's why they stopped voting for the ANC!

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It was extraordinary because many black south africans greatly approved of what the Scorpions were doing but would still show absolute loyalty to the ANC

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>voters are short-sighted and stupid

But it's like that in every democracy because there's no incentive for them do much research or actually care about others, so I don't entirely blame them. :marseyangel:

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Unironic low-info voters

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>Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille is to request a meeting with African National Congress president Jacob Zuma to discuss the future of the Scorpions, she said on Thursday.

dude women lol

This guy chants "kill de Boer" every 5 minutes and the r-slurred Boeress thought she's just have a heckin' wholesome chat and get the whole thing fixed. :marseyxd:

>Early life and career

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille

pro-bbc and anti-white

carried water for the ANC

liberal jew

JOURNO

:marseyhmm: :marseynoooticer:

Interesting that she's the opposition now.

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It's like Trump hating the FBI. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why he doesn't like the guys who catch white collar criminals.

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SA has had a depressing 30 years. I don't understand how a country can keep getting worse, forever, with no forward progress.

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