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EFFORTPOST [Effortpost] Park Chung Hee - Father of the Drama Queen

When Kaamrev was working on his recent post about the sinking of the ferry MV Sewol I told him I might try writing about President Park Geun Hye's role that day. But when I thought about it I realized that story ties into so much of the rest of her life, I might as well just write about all of it. Maybe one post on the cult stuff, one on the ferry, and one on the impeachment.

But to set all that up I really need to first explain her father because he was a huge influence on her (and all of Korea). This is going to be lots of words words words without too much drama until the end, but I've tried to keep it pared down to just what I need to tell to set up his daughter's more dramatic story.

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Early Life

Park Chung Hee was in 1917. He managed to escape poverty by joining the army of Japan's Manchurian puppet state. He went on to study at Japan's military academy and briefly serve as an officer during WW2. Returning home, he was accepted into the South Korean army but thrown out in 1948 on suspicions of being a pinko. When war broke out he was called back to service, rising to the rank of brigadier general.

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Park in Manchukuo uniform.

The postwar years were bleak for South Korea. Most of the country's infrastructure was destroyed and the government was too corrupt and ineffective to rebuild. There was hardly any economy apart from collecting US aid. In 1960 the government collapsed as the army and police refused to shoot protesters. Real democracy was introduced, but this only made the situation more chaotic as factions bickered with each other.

Korea was far from alone. Democracies around the world were failing, plagued by corruption, incompetence, and factionalism. Most third world democracies would be overthrown in military coups during the 1960s. Even France had its own in 1958. While we tend to assume today that democracy is always better than dictatorship, that was far from an obvious conclusion to make at the time.

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Manlets in sunglasses rise up! Park in the middle.

In 1961 Park made his move. It was a textbook military coup. He plotted with fellow officers who had been his classmates at military academies and together they made a sudden move to seize the capital. The army at all levels from generals to ordinary conscripts supported him or stood out of the way. The public's reaction ranged from apathy to enthusiastic support. A junta of military officers was formed but Park quickly moved to eliminate all potential competition and take power for himself.

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President Park

I know what you're expecting to happen now. The dictator and his cronies immediately loot everything that isn't nailed down. They turn out to be even more corrupt and incompetent than their predecessors. Their secret police run rampant. The economy crashes. Minorities are scapegoated. Maybe they start a foreign war to distract from domestic problems. But that's where we run into a plot twist. Some of those things partially happened but they're not the real story.

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I guess everyone has sunglasses.

Kennedy was president and the struggle between democracy and communism in Asia was one of his main priorities. He wasn't about to be embarrassed by Korea turning into a dictatorship so he insisted that they have an election. Park had no choice since he was so dependent on American economic and military aid. But he won the election and that gave him the legitimacy to carry out aggressive reforms.

Korea had once been among the most dynamic, innovative, technologically advanced nations in the world. That was in the 1400s. Centuries of stagnation followed with a rigid caste system run by yangban scholars (the guys with the big hats) jerking each other off about Confucius and poetry. Finally at the end of the 1800s Koreans desperate for reform basically invited the Japanese to take over because it was the only hope of breaking the deadlock. Unfortunately the Japanese are weirdo perverts and tried to forcibly assimilate and destroy the Korean nation, but let's be honest. They did a lot to turn it into a modern country.

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Korea back in the glory days. I had to work Jang Geum into this somehow.

I mention this because Park was educated by the Japanese and spent time in Japan itself. He got first hand exposure to an Asian country that was industrialized and had its shit together. After that he served in the war alongside the US Army and saw the immense capabilities of a modern country with a vast economy and competent well-organized people. And he saw how the South Korean army through training and experience was able to approach that level of competence in just a couple years.

He saw what was possible for Korea if it modernized. Decisions wouldn't be made by elderly men wearing goofy hats sitting on pillows. It would become a nation with steel mills and tanks and oil refineries and jet fighters and television. Park had a vision of the future and enough experience with other cultures to see how to achieve it. But notice that this experience is in the military, much of it with the Japanese, who had a rigidly hierarchical culture where you slap the shit out of whoever is beneath you.

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ROKAF F-4D, 1979.

The Miracle

So if Park isn't your stereotypical evil dictator, what did he do?

Under his leadership the "Miracle on the Han River" began, the period from the mid 1960s-mid 1990s when South Korea's economy developed perhaps more rapidly than any other nation ever in history. He didn't bring in ivory tower economists from some foreign university to try experimenting with their theories. The prevailing idea at the time was " import substitution", making stuff inside your own country so you don't have to import it.

Park's approach was much more pragmatic, following Japan's example of an export driven economy. Instead of making what you want, make the stuff you're good at making and sell it overseas to get money to buy what you need. Also he didn't have any particular religious fervor for socialism or libertarianism. Certain companies were given preferential loans and expected to follow the government's long term plans for economic development but there wasn't the kind of centralized micromanagement that was so crippling in the Communist Bloc and many third world countries. Unlike many industrializing economies, Park's regime also paid careful attention to rural areas and made sure they were not completely left out of the country's rising prosperity.

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Part of the vast POSCO steel complex at Pohang, built with Japanese assistance in the 1970s.

Of course somebody had to pay for all this investment. A lot of money poured in from the USA in the form of aid but also through the large US military presence in the country. South Korea was compensated well for sending 350,000 troops to fight in Vietnam and Korean companies profited from construction work there. But the biggest contribution came from Japan. In 1965 Park signed a controversial peace treaty, accepting $800 million in reparations over the next decade, which was actually a lot of money at the time. Victims of Japanese oppression and slavery were understandably offended that instead of being compensated the money went into building steel mills for rich people, but it did jumpstart an economic miracle.

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Pretty big gun for this dude.

The Miracle Ends

Park remained popular through the 1960s but some parts of the population never warmed up to him. He was ruthless in crushing all opposition. While certainly not as bad as most of his contemporaries, he did have opponents tortured and sometimes killed. North Korean spies really were crawling all over the country and trying to assassinate him, so it was easy to accuse someone of being a communist and make them disappear.

It was not enough to prevent the opposition from gaining strength and in 1971 they came dangerously close to winning the election. The following year he carried out a self-coup and rewrote the constitution to essentially make himself dictator for life. Repression grew much more severe as Park relied on the military and Korean Central Intelligence Agency to keep his hold over an increasingly unruly population. A new generation born after the war was now growing up and they were much less ready to accept military rule. The economy was still booming but there was great resentment over how much of the new wealth was controlled by the chaebol, a few dozen families of Park cronies.

By 1979 Park had reached a crossroads. Protests were growing even in his hometown of Busan. He would have to either use violence on a massive scale to put them down or try to compromise. The first option was supported by Cha Ji Chul, chief of his bodyguard, who had grown close to him after his wife was killed in a failed assassination attempt in 1974. Cha pandered to Park's authoritarian tendencies, egging him on to kill the protesters.

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Cha Ji Chul.

On the other side was Kim Jae Gyu. (This is a rare moment in Korean history where three people are together and they all have different family names.) Kim was an old friend of Park since their days in the Korea Military Academy after WW2. He was now head of the Korean Central Intelligence Agency, in charge of the government's mechanism for spying on and subverting the opposition. But he was not happy in his job. He had long advised Park to ease his grip on power and return to a more democratic government. He resented having to do the dirty work of the increasingly illegitimate Park regime.

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Kim Jae Gyu.

This may have remained a mere policy dispute were it not for Cha being a total peepeehead. He went out of his way at every opportunity to sabotage Kim's work and insult him in public. This was especially galling as in Korea at the time a man was supposed to owe some deference to those who had been higher ranking in the military even in civilian life. Kim had been a lieutenant general. Cha had been a lieutenant colonel. He hadn't even been old enough to fight in the war. Kim was infuriated that this uppity zoomer had gained the ear of his old friend the president and was poisoning his mind.

This singer, Shim Su Bom, sang this song at the dinner and witnessed the assassination.

One night at a dinner attended by Park, Kim, Cha, and a few others, Kim finally snapped. There is still much debate over exactly what was going on in his mind, but apparently he had wanted to kill Cha for a long time. At dinner they came back to the same argument, with Cha calling for a massacre of the protesters and Park taking his side. At this point Kim leaves and tells a few subordinates he's had enough. He's going to kill Cha tonight. Also Park too but that's almost an afterthought. He returns to the dinner with two guns and shoots them. Unfortunately he has done very little to actually organize a coup and he is quickly captured and executed. Soon an even worse military dictator seizes power.

Legacy

When Park's wife was killed in 1974, his daughter Park Geun Hye returned from studying overseas to carry out the ceremonial duties of the First Lady. These formative years of her life were also the most autocratic of her father's reign and she can't help but have been influenced. We will see more of her in the future.

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Fun excercise. Give me a list of backward nations post-ww2 with a significant population(let's say greater than 10 million) that went from rags to riches through democracy alone.

Hard mode: No getting lucky with oil.

As for Park policies. Someone in the comments mentioned protectionism, idk if that was absolutely necessary. The chinese for example allowed a lof of companies to set up shop in theirs and were still able develope domestic competitors (albeit with a bit of a tech theft :marseyrapscallion:).

Also, I remember reading Americans forced some of their chip corpos to share their semiconductor tech with the koreans in order to manufacture them quickly/cheaply or something. The story goes that one Ameri industrialist was almost in tears when they pressured him to do this, Have you read anything like this?

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Does Israel count?

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I would say no. I would argue that Israel started with a reasonably educated/skilled and in many cases a wealthy populace. That's a good chunk of "development" done.

That's why it was easier to rebuild Germany and Japan than to develop a country like Vietnam (and that's not even coming to countries like Bangladesh and India). I'm on mobile and so I can't get a lot of sources for this but if this survey is any indication then Israel had quite the head start.

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Considering Brits didnt really allow industrialization in Indian subcontinent till independence , I think at least India starting out from pretty much from zero has done a good job with all its corruption and everything.

We focused on agriculture, since we had 20 major famines during 200 years of British rule. By every metric we have seen improvement across every sector.

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You know that I don't subscribe to the drain theory :marseysmughips: but more importantly that has no bearing on the topic here. Korea and China were similar backwaters(Heck, India had a headstart with Mao wrecking their economy) and they're doing much better to say the least.

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You know that I don't subscribe to the drain theory

Of course you dont.

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BUT BUT BUT THE OPIUM WARS IS WHAT HELD BACK HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN CHINA FROM PROGRESS!!!

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@tiptopkat, the biggest hindrance toward prosperity in India was its strongly socialist government post-independence. They still feel it's effects with its miles of bureaucratic tape and corruption.

Poor old post-colonial Hong Kong has suffered greatly from following Britain's lead in private property rights and trade. :marseycry: If only India didn't lock in a populace fed on gibs for decades, they might have been a superpower by 2020. :marseysmug:

If you want another live experiment with socialism and a long tradition in trade and western values, look at Russia. They're still feeling the effects of commietardation. :marseyrussianmutt: They're so dumb, they invaded the poorest and most commie-hamstrung country of all of Europe.

!chuds, back to back total midnight rants on political economy. The sexy Indian dude bros are getting DUNKED ON!

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Red tape was a mistake. :marseyhesfluffyyouknow:

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I will smother you in sugar, bake you good, and gobble you up, my little Danish.

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I'll vore you before you get a chance. :marseyoverseetherlovepat::marseyoverseetherlovepat::marseyoverseetherlovepat:

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It is easier when you have a dictatorship.

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Per capita gdp doesn't matter that much when India :marseyjewofthesubcontinent: has a ton of poor people and is growing a huge rate but is still massivelt wealthy. China :marseyspy: is trying despeearetly to increase :marseychartuptrend: birth :marseychestburster: rate and manufacturing is slowly losing :marseygambling: money. Also their gdp numbers :marseynoooticer: are propped up by faulty accounting, they have enron like companies than people realize. Eveegrande is just the first :marseywinner: to blow. All real estate is crashing because the morons build :marseyyarn: entire cities on government funds before :marseyskellington: anybody moves in. They did this bevause they thought :marseymindblown: population would :marseymid: conrinue to grow rapidly. Well it hasn't.

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Explain Botswana, ya silly goose. Turkey had high illiteracy rates, and they're miles ahead of the sub-Saharan countries. :chudspin: How many were literate in the US during the 1800s? :marseyhmmhips: How bout Britain during the 18th and 19th century? :marseysmughips: Literacy rates have a lagged effect; they're not a cause of economic growth (or "prosperity" if you're looking for a catch-all term).

It's pretty basic but hard to export. It starts with formal and informal institutions that respect private property rights. All it takes is a moron in power to wreck everything, but even then Germany after WW2 fared relatively well compared to post-colonial :soycry: states which suffered much less in terms of population loss and destruction of capital and goods. Germany had for 100-200 years before Hitler a tradition of governance and law that supported private property and commerce. So many other countries in the third world category lack this history with "liberal democracy" and all the underlying institutions within it.

*institutions as in 'rules of the game' (not top-down organizations)

>:bluehelmet: uh sir, you have to implement this entire corpus of common law into your sub-Saharan country because it's what caused the UK to be so great. Private courts? Decades of common law that evolved from local problems with knowledge from people directly involved? :bluehelmet: no, that's stupid. Import these laws, and it'll work.

>:soyjakferal: Excuse me, fledging country X. Have you heard of the US Constitution? Just copy paste it into your constitution, and it'll all work out. :soyjakanimeglasses: Oh you don't want to? There goes your billions in subsidies from the WB and IMF. :bluehelmet:

It takes time, and too many global organizations think they can spread democracy and markets by either invading or subsidizing shitty governments.

And I am so fricking tired of hearing r-slurs harp about the wonders of central government because post-WW2 Japan, (South) Korea, and Taiwan pulled it off. That's it? It was only another central government in North Korea that killed off millions in the South and set them back by decades. Japan has their history of orderliness and trade for centuries. Taiwan got all the good Chinese from the mainland, so no surprise there. It only took their mainlander cousins 40 years of starvation and r-sluration to get their shit together (when they finally relied on markets :tayaaa:).

If you want a live experiment, look at how NYC handles the poverty issue with its "asylum seekers" and compare that to the Texan approach. NYC dumps billions into finding them homes and jobs and free stuff while kicking out taxpayers of their government-funded services and demanding federal government for more subsidies. Texas just leaves them on their own. :marseybountyhunter: Bunk up with 6 hombres in a one bedroom and get a job or you'll be SOL (or on your way back to your motherland). More productive workers thrived in Texas while the freeloaders kept on going to the handout cities. :chudsmug:

!chuds, late night chud rant by yours truly. I spent 0 minutes proofreading, so if you think I'm wrong, you're wrong. :marseyshapiro:

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Explain Botswana, ya silly goose

It's a microstate of 2.3 million which doesn't meet my criteria but for arguments sake let's look at Bostwana.

They're not a rich country by any means but they have a gdp per capita of 18K in terms of PPP and 7K in terms of nominal per capita

So it's should be a decent middle income country right? Yet, they only have a HDI of 0.693. Lower than Indian states like Tamil Nadu and Kerala which have less than half their gdp per capita. Dig a little deeper and you'll notice this.

Agriculture still provides a livelihood for 70% of the rural population but supplies only about 50% of food needs and accounted for only 1.8% of GDP as of 2016.

I didn't forget Bostwana, It's exactly one of the reasons I set my criteria the way that I did :marseytroublemaker:.

The reality is, it's a micros state with inflated GDP numbers due to the presence of very profitable natural resources and the few industries that depend on them. I wouldn't call it a success story and in this discussion where we view India as a failure I don't see why Bostwana should count.

Turkey had high illiteracy rates, and they're miles ahead of the sub-Saharan countries.

And would you look at that, they had this "dictator" to guide them.

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And their military was infamous for constant coups whenever they felt like civvies were straying from the path Ataturk had paved for them and the minute they got castrated we got Erdogan :marseysmughips:.

Even then, they were still much more literate than most if not all thirdies.

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Literacy rates have a lagged effect; they're not a cause of economic growth (or "prosperity" if you're looking for a catch-all term).

High literacy is not absolutely necessary for growth but they can certainly boost it. Sure, most Americans weren't literate in 1800s but if the country thought "eh, we don't need to focus much on education anymore" would it have reached the heights it has today?

I also simply didn't say "literacy" btw. I said.

reasonably educated/skilled and in many cases a wealthy populace.

It's not just a matter of being able to read and write. It's also a matter of being skilled(doctor, mechanic, teacher, etc...) and also having experienced living im socities with proper institutions.

As you put it.

Germany had for 100-200 years before Hitler a tradition of governance and law that supported private property and commerce. So many other countries in the third world category lack this history with "liberal democracy" and all the underlying institutions within it.

And Israel was flooded with people who had long lived in nations with these qualities.

Hence, it doesn't meet my criteria :marseyshapiro:.

I didn't respond to other points because I didn't click on "show more"

And I am so fricking tired of hearing r-slurs harp about the wonders of central government because post-WW2 Japan, (South) Korea, and Taiwan pulled it off. That's it? It was only another central government in North Korea that killed off millions in the South and set them back by decades. Japan has their history of orderliness and trade for centuries. Taiwan got all the good Chinese from the mainland, so no surprise there. It only took their mainlander cousins 40 years of starvation and r-sluration to get their shit together

I agree having a good legacy of civilisation is also a good advantage but that didn't help the Iranians, Indians(especially the Indians) and Russians. I mean they have a better heritage than South Koreans at least.

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>So it's should be a decent middle income country right? Yet, they only have a HDI of 0.693. Lower than Indian states like Tamil Nadu and Kerala which have less than half their gdp per capita. Dig a little deeper and you'll notice this.

:marseyfacepalm: Oh the country that much more support from britain is more developed, what surprise.

The thing that makes botswana special is that it actually developed on it's own, unlike india which has been stagnant since forever.

Think beyond your little commie box and you will notice this.

>And would you look at that, they had this "dictator" to guide them.

A dictator who implemented partial markets and freer government unlike the former osmans....

>Russians

Maybe it had something to do with the commies that strolled in and ruined what was a rapidly growing economy while simultaneously actively destroying the culture. :marseyxd:

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The thing that makes botswana special is that it actually developed on it's own, unlike india which has been stagnant since forever.

:marseyxd:. The point wasn't that "India is more developed than Bostwana". The point is Bostwana's development metrics don't match and they're fall less impressive than how they appear on the surface . India was just an example. Ignore India then.

Bosnia has the same GDP per capita stats but much higher HDI.

Bolivia has roughly half the GDP per capita numbers and it has the same HDI.

When was the last time anyone considered Bosnia and Bolivia as success stories? And let's not pretend Bostwana doesn't have its own advantages(as mentioned earlier it's a microstate with immense valuable mineral resources).

Think beyond your little commie box and you will notice this.

I'm not a commie and this isn't an argument between a commie and capitalist that you seem to think it is. I assume @TheOverSeether is some kind of libertarian or at least close to it who dislikes my praise of central planning and "benevolent" dictators may they be commie or capitalist.

I don't think arguing "it's better to have dictators like LKY, Ataturk, Park and Deng(all capitalist of varying degrees) than to have shitty democracies like India" is a pro-commie stance.

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The point wasn't that "India is more developed than Bostwana". The point is Bostwana's development metrics don't match and they're fall less impressive than how they appear on the surface . India was just an example. Ignore India then.

Then you seem to completely miss my point, my point is your understanding of why Botswana's development is impressive is wrong. It's not just because "It's High" but rather "It's high in spite of the circumstances". The fact that it as the only capitalist state, which received no real outside help was able to develop on it's own despite it's poor state, while surrounded by failed states, that happen to fall under the rule of your preferred socialism.

You bring up Bosnia, which again you seem to misunderstand why Botswana is special. Bosnia, like the indian states from before, has an entirely inherited development, and it itself has stagnated.

There's no such thing as a centrally planned capitalist government, you are clearly in support of some variant of non-marxist socialism, which in reality is just as inefficient as communism. Capitalism can exist within an authoritarian state, but not by a government which interferes. Most libertarians don't necesarrily believe in democracy, I certainly don't.

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It's not just because "It's High" but rather "It's high in spite of the circumstances".

not just? If you haven't noticed yet I'm not even accepting that its development is "high". I'm saying its GDP per capita is high and Botswana is not developed unless your conception of development/prosperity starts and ends with GDP per capita. Urbanization, life expectancy, educational attainment, infrastructure, healthcare, etc... Its ridiculously high Gini coefficient(9th highest in fact) and the lack of proper urbanization paints a very different picture to what its GDP per capita does.

no real outside help

Yeah, this is just outright wrong :marseyxd: :marseyxd:

At the time of independence, Botswana was highly dependent on aid and quickly became a β€˜donor darling'. In the years following independence (1966–1969), Oda accounted for an average of 25% of Botswana's gni per year (see figure 3). 15 The United Kingdom was the main provider of oda to Botswana and contributed the equivalent of half the Botswana government's budget (maipose et al. , 1997).

Botswana's transition from ODA began as early as the 1980s following the discovery of diamonds. Despite an absolute increase in 24 ODA throughout the 1970s (which peaked at $421 million in 1978. the relative importance of ODA to the Botswana government had begun to decline after diamond deposits were found at the beginning of the decade. Indeed, even with rising ODA levels throughout the 1970s, the average ODA to GNI ratio over the decade had already fallen to 13% (Figure 3).

The great "economic miracle" of Botswana. A basketcase until they hit diamonds :marseygem:. And that's just the aid from ODA, their overall aid reception didn't go down as much as the ODA.

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Mind you and this needs to be emphasized, all this for a population of 2.65 million blessed with valuable mineral resources like Diamonds(the largest diamond producer in Africa actually).

Failed states

You mean like Namibia which has similar HDI metrics? I also like how you honed in on Bosnia while ignoring Bolivia among the examples I gave. You're right in that Namibia is a failed state but you're in denial about how close Botswana is to the likes of Namibia than any proper lower middle-income economy.

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of your preferred socialism

you are clearly in support of some variant of non-marxist socialism,

Yes, I'm a socialist who supports the socialism of LKY, Ataturk, Park Chung Hee, and Deng Xiaoping. It's always baffling to see someone who can't engage in a discussion without pigeonholing everything alongside their political console wars.

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Ignore India then.

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HDI is a crap statistic too. :marseythumbsup:

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Individually, it's not that useful but you can use it with other metrics to get a clearer picture of a country's overall prosperity.

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It's pretty basic but hard to export. It starts with formal and informal institutions that respect private property rights.

Yes, the USSR was famously one of the poorest nations to ever exist in Eurasia

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houston ~2mil population - $6billion budget

NYC ~8mil population - $106billion budget :marseybooba!:

where does it all go :marseyshrug:

certainly not into trash collection :marseysmug2:

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>Mansplain Botswana

The harsh climate of the Kalahari Desert led the Tswana people to evolve higher IQs than most other Bantu ethnicities. Because AIDS hit them harder than most other African countries, their death rate and birth rate were forcibly brought to nearly equal levels, thus giving them a more manageable population. These two factors led to Botswana becoming what it is today, and will lead to it becoming a major superpower in the 2100s.

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We must let the AIDS flow.

:#marseycontemplate:

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Explain Botswana, ya silly goose.

1. Blecks

2. CIA

3. NSA

4. Racism

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this is not even a chud rant this is just the truth

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I don't have enough spoons to read this shit

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Shut the frick up, you globalist android! I will rip your gears out and shit in your oil tank, you worthless hunk of junk!!

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I would argue that Israel started with a reasonably educated/skilled and in many cases a wealthy populace. That's a good chunk of "development" done.

I mean, that wasn't your requirements I'll take your word for it on the sources. :marseyclueless:

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It's one of those things that I assume is implied and doesn't need to be pointed out :marseysmughips: . Especially in a thread about a dictator dragging a country backward country(backward by every metric) to first world status.

Still edited it to avoid nitpicking from the :marseyakshually: crowd.

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:marseyflagireland:

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AmeriKKKans forced some of their chip corpos to share their semiconductor tech with the koreans in order to manifacture them quickly or something.

I don't really know the economic side of this story all that well. Doesn't sound implausible to me at least.

Tbqh I was an r-slur and slipped on the ice today and twisted my knee and I'm in too much pain to think about anything. :marseyill:

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:#marseyspecialpat:

:#!marseylaughpoundfist: :#marseydeathpose:

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Japan? West Germany?

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Already developed countries. They were bombed to heck yes but rebuilding with a largely educated populace with some of the best engineers and skilled workforce is easier done that developing a third world country.

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How did they get that educated work force? You can build all the schools across all the sub-saharan countries, and you'll get a little blood from stone. Want a real world experiment? The US, with all its wealth and easy institutions, has dumped tens of trillions into education, and still has 25% of the population stuck as r-slurs.

An educated workforce is a function of labor demand--not supply. That's why so many US college degrees are focused on worthless endeavors. STEM, economics, most business admin, and 10% of history and philosophy is all that markets wanted. The rest is oversupply from government subsidies, and they're fit for barista work.

Education has never been the primary driver to prosperity. It's always been IQ and a good support network from learning on the job. Sure, edu will help many more, but boy those returns are rapidly diminishing. It feels like 25% of all those education subsidies have returned a net gain to society.

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As I explained in the other comment, I'm not saying it's the primary force for prosperity, just that it's an advantage which is why I also added being skilled along with it. And let's be honest in modern times you need to at least have basic numeracy and reading abilities.

More importantly, this isn't refuting the crux of the argument. I said Germans had XYZ advantages that made democracy work for them(heck, even under a shitty ideology like socialism they peformed better than most thirdies). You're just saying "Oh it's not just xyz reasons, they also had ABC qualities that were arguably far more useful".

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What about comparing East Germany to West Germany?

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The lesson there is capitalism performs better than socialism. No surprise there but East Germany had a PCI of of 10K dollars in 1990 and a literacy rate north of 95%.

For comparison, China after decades of "miracle growth" with state capitalism had only very recently crossed $10K PCI . India is at ~$2300 dollars and a literacy rate of 75% (and that's not looking into stuff like school enrollment ratios, higher educational attainments, etc...)

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to heck yes but rebuilding with a largely educated populace

Korea was like this to some extent. The education system under the Japanese occupation was relatively good and education had always been prized by Koreans before that even if it was mostly reserved to the elites. They were starting from a vastly better condition than a sub-Saharan African country that might only have a hundred college graduates at the end of WW2.

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:marseysweating: M-malaysia?

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Malaysia

Developed country

Not getting lucky with oil

:marsey#surejan:

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And tin and rubber so they weren't completely screwed when oil prices dropped.

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