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S*x is biological fact, NHS declares in landmark shift against gender ideology
Campaigners welcome change to constitution, which will ban trans women from female-only wards, as ‘return to common sense'
Changes to the health service's written constitution proposed by ministers will for the first time ban trans women from women-only wards, and give women the right to request a female doctor for intimate care.
The NHS constitution, a document that aims to set out the principles and values of the health service and legal rights for patients and staff, was last updated in 2015. It has to be updated at least every 10 years by the Secretary of State.
Campaigners for women's rights welcomed the significant shift, which comes after years of wrangling and follows accusations that the health service had been captured by “gender ideology”.
In 2021, NHS guidance said trans patients could be placed in single-s*x wards based on the gender with which they identified.
The new constitution will state: “We are defining s*x as biological s*x.”
The clarification means that the right to a single-s*x ward means patients would “not have to share sleeping accommodation with patients of the opposite biological s*x”.
Until now, no commitment was made to biological s*x, meaning some female patients complained that they were forced to share sleeping space with trans women – those who are born male but identify as female.
Health Secretary Victoria Atkins
Women's rights campaigners said the move was a “return to common sense and an overdue recognition that women's wellbeing and safety matter.”
However, NHS leaders raised concerns that the health service was being “dragged into a pre-election culture wars debate”.
The changes to the constitution are a further indication of a change in attitudes after the Cass review into the NHS's gender identity services found evidence that allowing children to change gender was built on weak foundations.
Dr Hilary Cass, a paediatrician, said allowing “social transitioning” for young people – when they are treated as the opposite gender – could “change their trajectory” and lead to them pursuing a potentially damaging medical pathway in later life.
The updates to the constitution will also include the introduction of a duty to help patients get back to work and embed “Martha's Rule” into the framework of the health service.
This follows pledges by Victoria Atkins, the Health Secretary, to give families the right to access a rapid review from an outside team if a patient is deteriorating. It is named after 13-year-old Martha Mills, who died in 2021 after medics missed signs of sepsis and failed to heed warnings from her parents that their daughter's condition was getting worse.
Women will also be given the right to request that intimate care is provided, where reasonably possible, by someone of the same biological s*x.
It follows warnings that some female patients have been pressured into accepting such care from trans-identifying staff who were born male.
The proposed changes will also see discrimination requirements updated, with the word gender replaced with s*x.
Gender reassignment remains a protected characteristic, meaning that a transgender patient could be given their own room in a hospital to protect their right to a single-s*x service.
The document also places a duty on health providers to use “clear terms” to communicate and take account of biological differences. It follows pledges from ministers to stop NHS trusts using terms like “chestfeeding” and “people who give birth”.
In February, Ms Atkins highlighted her concerns, telling The Telegraph: “We need to be making this robust case to refuse to wipe women out of the conversation.”
On Tuesday, she said: “We want to make it abundantly clear that if a patient wants same-s*x care they should have access to it wherever reasonably possible.
“We have always been clear that s*x matters and our services should respect that.
“By putting this in the NHS constitution we're highlighting the importance of balancing the rights and needs of all patients to make a healthcare system that is faster, simpler and fairer for all.”
Maya Forstater, chief executive of gender critical group S*x Matters, said: “It is excellent news that the NHS constitution is being revised to put ‘s*x' in its rightful place – at the heart of principle 1, which sets out that the NHS must treat everyone with equality and respect for their human rights.
“The confusion between ‘s*x' and ‘gender' in official policies like the NHS constitution is what has enabled women's rights to be trampled over in the name of transgender identities.
“S*x, of course, is a matter of biology, not identity, and it is welcome that the NHS is now spelling this out in relation to single-s*x accommodation and intimate care.”
Ms Forstater said too many female patients seeking that intimate care be given by a woman had been pressured into accepting a trans-identifying male instead.
“Healthcare providers have become confused and frightened by the idea that a gender recognition certificate, or even just a personal identity claim, overrides other people's rights when it comes to same-s*x care from healthcare professionals.”
She said the shift was “simply a return to common sense and an overdue recognition that women's wellbeing and safety matter.”
Matthew Taylor, chief executive of the NHS Confederation, which represents healthcare leaders, said its members would review the proposals in detail.
However, he added: “What is absolutely clear at this stage is that a focus on high-quality care for all is maintained and that the NHS is not dragged into a pre-election culture wars debate. This is not where energies should be focused.”
Mr Taylor said staff worked hard to show fairness and compassion towards all patients.
“In particular, groups of people, including trans and non-binary patients, continue to receive some of the worst health outcomes of any group in our society and NHS leaders and staff will want to do all they can to support these patients, as well as their trans and non-binary staff to reduce inequalities.
“Whatever changes are eventually introduced following the consultation need to be clear and workable for NHS staff, who should not expect to have to interpret ambiguous guidance at a local level.”
The eight-week consultation will be the first stage of a review of the constitution.
The Government will consider responses from everyone, including the public, clinicians and medical professionals, patients, carers and organisations representing patients and staff and health stakeholders, before publishing the consultation response and the new NHS constitution.
Louise Ansari, chief executive of Healthwatch England said: “The NHS constitution plays a crucial role in shaping the culture of our NHS and helping the public to know their rights.
“Since the NHS constitution launched, it has helped to shift the balance of power from services towards patients and their families. But, with only a third of people knowing their rights, there is still a long way to go.
“Given the challenges our NHS faces, a conversation to reaffirm and raise awareness of the most important rights to the public has never been more timely.
“We urge everyone to take part in the consultation and have their say. This is your opportunity to send a clear message about the rights you hold most dear.”
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Post sneed you cute twink
https://old.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1cggw9x/nhs_england_charter_to_stress_biological_sex_when/
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Thank you, I didn't come to this thread to read or to see people agree with this, I want to see people cry about it
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You should demand dramacoin reparashuns from OP for only posting a boring news article.
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Funny how it never counts as a "culture war" policy when it goes the other way
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Everything is political except my politics which aren't political they're just common sense and politeness.
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Umm I think you'll find my opinions are HUMAN RIGHTS so you are basically Hitler if you disagree
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Basic human decency
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The culture war is when rightoids disagree with leftoid extremism. Rightoids just need to be on the right side of history from the beginning then there's be no culture war.
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Because the other way is the right side of history chud
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lmao fricking heck i cant find it on the bong subreddits hahahhaha
!transphobes it's beautiful
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Here it is: https://old.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1cggw9x/nhs_england_charter_to_stress_biological_sex_when/
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@cyberdick here it is
!transphobes lmao lots of
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New ledditism just dropped!
He doubles down!!
/u/opaldrop is !cuteandinvalid's strongest words warrior!
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I'm liking this girl math a few comments later
This moron is taking entire UK population (when TERFoids just care about men), then looking at % of them in prison. Then comparing it to people on CSA registry that's then extrapolated into there being 10 times more people they didn't catch
Least r-slurred and dishonest pro argument.
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the medical community making rushed policy decisions based on a current-day moral panic? That's a dangerous precedent! Cant have that
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I couldn't find anything on uk or any subs which is sus or any sneed posts on this matter
cc @YouAreWhoYouEat
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UK top post right now is telling people to not vote Labour because Starmer didn't do what Corbyn would have done and committed electoral suicide over this. https://old.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1cgvdy5/labour_wont_support_us_and_dont_deserve_our_votes/
Proof that they're all middle class who don't actually care what happens to anyone else.
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the daily torygraph
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I'm not transphobic or anything, but why is it that the freaking b*ngs, of all people, more brutally honest when it comes to the science???
!nooticers
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Why not?
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Because the NHS gets its gibs from the Government, the US health care from insurance companies and pharma.
The government dont want people on lifelong expensive medications.
The insurance companies and pharma do.
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Why would insurance companies want you to be a life long patient? Thats like car insurance companies telling you to drink and drive.
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because it gives them a reason to exist.
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The NHS is funded by the government while doctors in the US dedicated to “trans care” along their clinics plus pharma hormone dealers and “researchers” are making tons of money out of s. Not to mention all trans rights and LGBT orgs, did you think the activist-industrial-complex would just vanish?
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how to get rightoids to support government healthcare: s
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Bongs attempt, and fail, to run a functional society. The US has given up and are just exploiting r-slurs for a power fight while training more r-slurs for the power fight. Anything useful we do is brought to us by importing poors for manual labor and sexy Indian dudes for tech/medical stuff.
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It's hard to tell British women from the men, so they need to be more explicit about it
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Because the bongs ran off the rails first and harder, so they get the backlash sooner
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they also ran studies when they started doing it, since they were pioneers in a lot of the trans stuff. Once the data came back questionable, combined with a series of embarrassing organizational issues + pressure from conservative gov, they had to do something and actually look at it.
The problem continues to be the lack of any real studies with this stuff (that's not web surveys or shallow questionnaires of teenagers hopped on hormones). That's basically all the Cass report said, there's very little solid stuff either way vs the measurable risk.
Also, the thing today wasn't even about the general social contaigion issue, it was about trans adults who work at the hospitals not having to identify by s*x, how discrimination is handled, and what happens if a woman wants gender specific care. In a centralized system that needs more certainty vs US/Canadas who have decentralized hospitals.
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British daytime TVs monoculture created mumsnet and from that allowed middle aged women to talk to each other across political lines in an area no man would ever care to participate and since middle aged women are the only demographic who don't have dementia who actually vote they're always going to be listened to if they're organised. It also kept it from becoming a pure left vs right issue, the best predictor on if a Brit dislikes is if they're a mum.
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Why are you posting people celebrating? I want sneed posting.
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Check /r/transgenderuk. There's cope, there's seethe, there's dilation.
Cope:
https://old.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1cgllk5/my_thoughts_on_the_new_nhs_rules/
You guys I'm just not going to tell the doctors I'm trans
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They're upset that hospital wards are being split up by biological s*x? Who gives a frick? Is bongland so poor that they have 4 patients in a room?
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The normie subreddits aren't ready for this yet.
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TOTAL
CHUD
VIKKKTORY
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The fire rises. The West is returning to smite her enemies
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Drama about to be
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Literal
Genocide
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I would rather genocide bongs than a single
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!male feminists THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRTING TO DEMONSTRATE THIS WHOLE TIME
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YEAH KEEP PROTESTING FOR PALESTINE, YOU MORONS! LMAO WHERE'S THE ENERGY TO PROTECT YOUR PRECIOUS TWANS WIGHTS NOW?! HAHAHAHAHA
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The west is retvrning
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Ladies and gentlemen, we did it
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NO WAYYYYYYY
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lol you request a female doctor for your body exam and get a
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Took them way too long
Trans lives matter
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S*x is pretty concrete. I dont understand how this is such an issue. Personally im very aware of my s*x, this is why pronouns are super not important to me. The binary is old news and i hate it. But regardless of all the progress i gain through my hrt that will always be a fact. I dont have an opinion about s*x segregated areas and spaces except when it would pertain to a sketchy treatment facility. The reseach says that both s*x and gender are facts. Just one of them is biological.
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I had all these images in my head of "oi, being a wanker to trans people isn't on innit bruv" x 67 million people what the FRICK did JK Rowling do.
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Bongs don't have s*x so how can they know if it's biological?
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genderwoo is actually a good way of describing it, it certainly comes from the same part of the brain
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tldr
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You don't break down my similes you fricker. I'm better than you in every way imaginable anyway. The tone you use in your comments is pathetic. It must be quite a touching moment of respite when you reach 100 percent method acting and if just for a moment, truly feel like you've accomplished anything of importance in your life. Before reality hits you like a wave of emotions and you realize you'll never amount to anything more than defending nazis on the internet. I feel sorry for you. By the way OP said he wanted to eat my shit so...
Snapshots:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/30/nhs-s*x-biological-landmark-shift-against-gender-ideology/:
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