I'm too busy (lazy) to do a real summary/writeup but for some good backstory see this post by @cyberdick :
https://rdrama.net/post/265508/sx-is-biological-fact-nhs-declares
Basically the former president of child medicine in the UK, Hilary Cass, did a formal paper dubbed the Cass review, showing exactly what has been repeatedly shown in every single review or study of giving kids hormones, which is that it literally does no good at most, and moreso can potentially do harm, violating not one but two core principles of medicine according to the Hippopotamus Oath. (source: me, I'm a nurse)
TLDR:
WPATH (World Amplifier for
Hypocrisy) has FINALLY responded to the Cass review in a statement that literally amounts to "HILARY CASS ISNT A SPECIALIST OF BULLSHIT PSEUDOSCIENCE I MEAN TRANS MEDICINE! JUST BECAUSE SHE'S A BONEFIDE PHYSICIAN AND THE FORMER HEAD OF PEDIATRICS AND HAS WORKED WITH KIDS ALL HER LIFE DOESN'T MEAN SHE KNOWS HOW TRANS KIDS WORK REEEEEEEEEE"
And that's it lol. That's all the WPATH (men) basically has to say in retort after getting chaos dunked by one doctor (woman). No attacking the heart of the issue which is literally that the trans body of evidence is as real as a pooner peepee or a neovagene.
You love to see it.
jannys in full cope mode basically banning anyone who dares support the verboten science. In my own backyard as a long time activist in the skeptics movement against pseudoscience like chiropractic/acupuncture/homeopathy/naturopathy etc. it appears many people are being banned from the skepticism subreddit over this dilemma, myself included lol. This isn't too surprising sadly, because the skeptics movement was one of the first ones targeted by feminists actually in the early 2010's and then when that failed (see elevatorgate) and g*mergate got purchase, the "movement" was colonized by demasculinized soychugging ex-g*mergate nerds seeking revenge against their oppressors, the fourth-wave feminist foids, and they did so by using recycling foid logic against them by claiming their privilege as their own by
ing out
, (spoiler alert, it worked! lol)
In any case though it's pretty funny now because of the hypocrisy from the jannys has now come full circle, especially in the skeptics arena. They have fully exhausted the extent of their borrowed foid logic and now have defaulted to blatant shilling of
bullshit under the banner of nonstop bitching about there being NO EVIDENCE OF HARM! for giving kids hormones... EXCEPT UH... NO HORMONS CAUSES MORE SUICIDES... ACCORDING TO MY FATHER'S, BROTHER FORMERLY SISTER'S, NEPHEW'S, COUSIN'S, FORMER ROOMATE blah blah blah..
quacktivists have been doing this for years now, as we know. However, now there is CLEAR body of science-based evidence of the harm, how do they respond?
"THE EVIDENCE IS BIASED ASDFKJHDSAKJFEYKHUIRFGSKDJHFGGIHKDSdsakfjhgsdfkjhg"
(a.k.a. magic is real etc. etc. and if you disagree you are banned lol)
See related:
https://old.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1cv87wg/wpath_respond_to_the_cass_review/
https://old.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1ctkhyk/first_they_tried_to_cure_gayness_now_theyre/
https://old.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1chxdew/cass_review_megathread_breakdown_and_trans_issues/
https://old.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1c4sg1q/cass_review_megathread_strict_moderation_enforced/
Additional related threads, but mostly undiluted bathtub-grade cope:
https://old.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/1cuzv8m/wpath_criticises_the_cass_report/
https://old.reddit.com/r/BlockedAndReported/comments/1cv6bvl/wpath_criticises_the_cass_review/
https://old.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/1cot6w9/hillary_cass_author_of_the_cass_review_thinks/
https://old.reddit.com/r/4tran4/comments/1cj4fc5/the_guardians_diy_hrt_story_just_dropped/
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This doctor is right, twitter being bought ended the biggest vector for trans Bullshit and career destruction and suddenly everything is nuanced again, except on Reddit
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Note the whole premise of their argument is that any teenager in question is trans and that should be assumed because they say they are, and showed up at a trans clinic, and any risk is fine because other trans adults say they wish they had such a treatment (not even that they had it and it was successful, just that they didn't enjoy puberty and wish they had drugs).
The Bayesian shit WAS the whole modus operandi for the last decade which seemed reasonable when it was a hundred kids showing up and each one got attention. Then there were lines out the door and each kid was given prescriptions on the spot without any counselling or exploration of why they are there.
So the only solution is to dump money into it to deal with the influx, but if you're going to do that you need at least a minimum of evidence of the care you're about to dole out at large scale.
That's the missing context, it's a whole system that needs to be formalized eventually, not a localized least bad decision making process based on good vibes
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Puberty is a lot better with drugs tbf, just has to be the fun kind
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You're saying hold it to the scrutiny of medicine.
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I wouldn't call "There's the exact same amount of absolutist activist schizos but sometimes they clash with Sephiroth /pol/cels" nuance
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i wonder what was the jannied flair from the

!transphobes TRA caught LARPing in /r/medicine lmao: https://old.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/1cuzv8m/wpath_criticises_the_cass_report/l4n5h7j/?context=8
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every morning i see happy transphobic news like this, my day becomes immeasurably wonderful
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!teaparty

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I know right! hahaha
I didn't reach it in time sadly to see what they were larping as
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There was a
banned from SomethingAwful last year, and the owner of the site revealed the
had been using a sock to send himself hate messages so he could complain about how transphobic everyone was.
That wasn't why he was banned, though, and they let him get away with it for years. It's almost like they have a propensity for lying and should never be taken at face value, especially on the internet.
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Isn't everyone on Something Awful required to be a paypig? So this dude paid money to send himself fake hate messages? Lmao
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Subject matter expertise: transcience
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What a sick frickin marsey.
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Thanks! I made it awhile back from Charles Barkley art
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It's Kobe when his helicopter was going down
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That was MJ's reaction back then, too
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Fuuuuuck! I didn't know we had Barkley marseys!
Thanks
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This is from your first link from the skeptic subreddit. How on earth can someone who claims to be a skeptic be urging the government to censor and dismiss an independent report? Encouraging lockstep, status quo thinking is the exact opposite of skepticism.
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Yup, that's why they banned all opposing opinions lol. I knew it was bad awhile back when Dr. Harriet Hall's book review complimenting "irreversible damage" was taken down (a first on sciencebasedmedicine.org) but I'm almost glad Dr. Hall died a year or so after so she didn't have to see what's become of things, almost.
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None of the subs are used for what they are
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except actuallesbians
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Not sure when liberals in general dropped the ball on this shit or why, not just the
stuff but all of it. 
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The TERF theory is after gay marriage was won a bunch of professional activists found themselves without a cause. There are also several conspiracy theories about pharmaceutical companies being heavily incentivized to prop up people would become forever patients.
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Oh whattttt? That cat's lying on a bed of nails like a little fakir. How does he do it?
It is a great testament to the hubris of mankind that we claim to be able to change a man into a woman, and yet we cannot explain how even the humble obese housecat is capable of such mysteries
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honestly I'm amazed myself! I can't even walk on them because that shits like legos so I'm assuming xhe's just too smart and has learned to distribute xer fat equally across like the magician's bed-of-nails trick
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My owner is the best. He got me a little acupuncture bed. Feels great.
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We reviewed the exact same evidence you did and came to the opposite conclusion. Have you considered you might be a politically motivated Bong?
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the "we" in question:
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Most of the doctors are cis actually but it is actually interesting how transphobes constantly attribute the actions of trans allies to trans people to avoid facing the fact that other cis people disagree with them
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Wrong. That word salad you wrote is not interesting, but this is:
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t.
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You mean
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jesus caring more about labels than source:eyes never thought I'd see the day
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ok correction: it's both
and 
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Transphobes take notes, this is peak satire
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How did they ever come to the conclusion that chopping peepees off was the optimal solution instead of just going to therapy?
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Some neurodivergents made a good case that WPATH has at least one nullo fetishist forum mod in the upper ranks.
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Real?
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https://rdrama.net/h/chudrama/post/202374/-
There's better stuff on it, but you can google the guy
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Why would the science be biased against
s? I thought they captured all institutions
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Reality has a transohobic bias
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This is why chuds never get anything done. An ally stakes a claim on all of western culture, and chuds are mad about it
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Listen BIPOC man, I'm not a chud and I'm not disparaging the hilarity of the ultimate truno reverse card here

It's endlessly funny that a large percent of the affected are unfrickable terfs who are gigamad about
s, I'm just here though to also make fun of the fact that it only took one gigafoid to unfrick their whole agenda.
Unfortunately since hormonal induced changes are largely irreversible without surgery e.g. like when you get transbitchtits from estrogen, the buck doesn't stop at humiliating r-slurred feminists, it keeps going, and ends with grooming kids, so I think everyone, when presented with the facts, can safely agree that:
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Yeah its all fun and games until you see the highschool swim team captain crying because they are forcing her to shower with the blatant neurodivergent pervert who trained out.
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my gym teacher was a bull cute butch who would go in and out of the boys locker rooms to yell at us
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They're not allies, that's why.
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Wrong. NEEEEEEXT.
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Cutting out the directly trollish BS:
The Cass review concluded that risks associated with both puberty blockers and s*x hormones create a high bar for necessary efficacy to justify that risk. The report also found that that bar has not yet been met, primarily due to the low quality of existing research.
It did not conclude that such treatment "does no good at most." That would require high-quality null/negative findings, which also don't exist.
Trans activism groups have reacted with a bizarre circular argument, which is that double-blind, randomized trials are unethical because the control groups deny effective care. In other words, they want to block the sort of studies that can test efficacy because they insist it's already efficacious.
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Thanks I guess was speaking broadly inclusive to the disturbing amount of patient across all the research lost to follow up across all of these studies suggesting it is indeed potentially harmful because we can't even track how many of them killed themselves after transitioning outside of narrow parameters
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The existing quality of evidence is poor, and you're correct that there could be harms hidden by the methods that produced them.
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I don't think you can do "good science" even like this. Once the idea, the seed of
shit is planted in someone's head, they'll react badly to non-affirming procedure. It's like someone who believes they're being gangstalked or were abducted by aliens, they already have their truth and will schizo out whether you affirm or oppose them. If you push back, they're just gonna think you're doing an elaborate stalker/
conspiracy.
The only real way to test if there even is such a thing as ingrained transness, would be to effectively have 2 timelines, with the patient basically not discovering the concept in one of them and comparing their mental health outcomes. The closest real world scenario to that is maybe detransitioning amnesia patients but I don't think that would be allowed in this century
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This is something trans activists have pointed out as well: Can you really do a double-blind study in a way where the control group won't know they're the control group?
Yet, this is part of why Cass calls for more longitudinal study as well. Someone might be pissed at the time but resolve their dysphoria anyway. The important question isn't really what makes kids happy at the time but what makes the adults they become happy and well-adjusted.
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I swear you are all r-slurred. What do you think the blind part of blind study means?
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I responded to you directly regarding the Chen post. Did you forget or just trying to shill?
https://rdrama.net/h/transgender/post/254378/groomers-are-giving-kids-hormones/6136840#context
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Because you literally ignored the point I made about being an Ioannidis convert like all r-slurs do and proceeded to ramble about how tHE eviDEnCE IS AcKtuAlLY BiAseD without applying the same standards to the data you hold up as gospel, did you even read what I shared or are you just trying to shill?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Most_Published_Research_Findings_Are_False
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the ack's are coming from inside the house
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The postulates of science-based medicine and to a lesser degree evidence-based medicine are underpinned by the Hippocratic oath to first do no harm, and then do good. If there's any question in the former, the practice in principle should stopped and only done under good controls, which is how they teased out how complicated shit heart surgery like mammary artery ligation actually did no good until they literally had a control group where they did a mock surgery on the patient compared to one who didn't get the actual heart procedure:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)31120-1/abstract
You can b-word and cry all you want but none of that turns the burden of proof on it's head which is all you are doing lmao
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I dunno seems like a good argument for keeping the decision localized to parents and specific doctors, and not the Bong bureaucracy fetishists.
This is the same game played by people who deny evidence surrounding the concept of IQ -- hold the concept to a uniquely high standard of evidence nothing else is held to and claim it doesnt meet that standard of evidence.
Transphobes did the same exact thing with adult transgender medicine during the Reagan administration with the Raymond report, which follows a strikingly similar pattern -- commission a known transphobe who had nothing to do with trans medicine to write a report claiming there isnt enough evidence, and then use that report itself as evidence that there isnt enough evidence.
People who believe what you believe have been claiming there will be a massive detransition wave any day now for over a decade, why should anybody listen to them? You can only cry wolf for so long, which is why you feel the need to push blanket bans not used in any other medical situation to prevent the truth from coming to light.
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You can be your own doctor and a fool! But you already know this
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Tldr?
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You and
@DWHITE___________DYNAMITE shluld do a live-streamed debate
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I'll do it simultaneously while beating
@PoonstaryerCaribeaner at vidya for /h/kappa to defend your honor and in the name of trans rights
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Also CDO keep yourself safe
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i'm not live streaming anything on this account dawg
it's only a matter of years before AI can be used to run a lookup function on your voice and dox you
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:(
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mmm, fresh
@DWHITE___________DYNAMITE thread 
WPATH = Worlds (most) Powerful Aut1stic Turbo Hons
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THanks! And my bad, I always get the darn acronym wrong
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WPATH
Warpath
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my honest reaction to this news
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Transphobes are gross
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grossly undervalued, more like
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Wrong.
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Castration is literally what trains do to themselves though.
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Thats not a flattering perspective IMO
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If they wanted a flattering perspective they wouldn't be trying to get themselves castrated.
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Factcheck: This claim is currently being debunked.
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Please post vid of your surgery as proof
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I knew what song was gonna be played before it started
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