I'm too busy (lazy) to do a real summary/writeup but for some good backstory see this post by @cyberdick :
https://rdrama.net/post/265508/sx-is-biological-fact-nhs-declares
Basically the former president of child medicine in the UK, Hilary Cass, did a formal paper dubbed the Cass review, showing exactly what has been repeatedly shown in every single review or study of giving kids hormones, which is that it literally does no good at most, and moreso can potentially do harm, violating not one but two core principles of medicine according to the Hippopotamus Oath. (source: me, I'm a nurse)
TLDR:
WPATH (World Amplifier for
Hypocrisy) has FINALLY responded to the Cass review in a statement that literally amounts to "HILARY CASS ISNT A SPECIALIST OF BULLSHIT PSEUDOSCIENCE I MEAN TRANS MEDICINE! JUST BECAUSE SHE'S A BONEFIDE PHYSICIAN AND THE FORMER HEAD OF PEDIATRICS AND HAS WORKED WITH KIDS ALL HER LIFE DOESN'T MEAN SHE KNOWS HOW TRANS KIDS WORK REEEEEEEEEE"
And that's it lol. That's all the WPATH (men) basically has to say in retort after getting chaos dunked by one doctor (woman). No attacking the heart of the issue which is literally that the trans body of evidence is as real as a pooner peepee or a neovagene.
You love to see it.
jannys in full cope mode basically banning anyone who dares support the verboten science. In my own backyard as a long time activist in the skeptics movement against pseudoscience like chiropractic/acupuncture/homeopathy/naturopathy etc. it appears many people are being banned from the skepticism subreddit over this dilemma, myself included lol. This isn't too surprising sadly, because the skeptics movement was one of the first ones targeted by feminists actually in the early 2010's and then when that failed (see elevatorgate) and g*mergate got purchase, the "movement" was colonized by demasculinized soychugging ex-g*mergate nerds seeking revenge against their oppressors, the fourth-wave feminist foids, and they did so by using recycling foid logic against them by claiming their privilege as their own by
ing out
, (spoiler alert, it worked! lol)
In any case though it's pretty funny now because of the hypocrisy from the jannys has now come full circle, especially in the skeptics arena. They have fully exhausted the extent of their borrowed foid logic and now have defaulted to blatant shilling of
bullshit under the banner of nonstop bitching about there being NO EVIDENCE OF HARM! for giving kids hormones... EXCEPT UH... NO HORMONS CAUSES MORE SUICIDES... ACCORDING TO MY FATHER'S, BROTHER FORMERLY SISTER'S, NEPHEW'S, COUSIN'S, FORMER ROOMATE blah blah blah..
quacktivists have been doing this for years now, as we know. However, now there is CLEAR body of science-based evidence of the harm, how do they respond?
"THE EVIDENCE IS BIASED ASDFKJHDSAKJFEYKHUIRFGSKDJHFGGIHKDSdsakfjhgsdfkjhg"
(a.k.a. magic is real etc. etc. and if you disagree you are banned lol)
See related:
https://old.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1cv87wg/wpath_respond_to_the_cass_review/
https://old.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1ctkhyk/first_they_tried_to_cure_gayness_now_theyre/
https://old.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1chxdew/cass_review_megathread_breakdown_and_trans_issues/
https://old.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1c4sg1q/cass_review_megathread_strict_moderation_enforced/
Additional related threads, but mostly undiluted bathtub-grade cope:
https://old.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/1cuzv8m/wpath_criticises_the_cass_report/
https://old.reddit.com/r/BlockedAndReported/comments/1cv6bvl/wpath_criticises_the_cass_review/
https://old.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/1cot6w9/hillary_cass_author_of_the_cass_review_thinks/
https://old.reddit.com/r/4tran4/comments/1cj4fc5/the_guardians_diy_hrt_story_just_dropped/
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Cutting out the directly trollish BS:
The Cass review concluded that risks associated with both puberty blockers and s*x hormones create a high bar for necessary efficacy to justify that risk. The report also found that that bar has not yet been met, primarily due to the low quality of existing research.
It did not conclude that such treatment "does no good at most." That would require high-quality null/negative findings, which also don't exist.
Trans activism groups have reacted with a bizarre circular argument, which is that double-blind, randomized trials are unethical because the control groups deny effective care. In other words, they want to block the sort of studies that can test efficacy because they insist it's already efficacious.
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I don't think you can do "good science" even like this. Once the idea, the seed of
shit is planted in someone's head, they'll react badly to non-affirming procedure. It's like someone who believes they're being gangstalked or were abducted by aliens, they already have their truth and will schizo out whether you affirm or oppose them. If you push back, they're just gonna think you're doing an elaborate stalker/
conspiracy.
The only real way to test if there even is such a thing as ingrained transness, would be to effectively have 2 timelines, with the patient basically not discovering the concept in one of them and comparing their mental health outcomes. The closest real world scenario to that is maybe detransitioning amnesia patients but I don't think that would be allowed in this century
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This is something trans activists have pointed out as well: Can you really do a double-blind study in a way where the control group won't know they're the control group?
Yet, this is part of why Cass calls for more longitudinal study as well. Someone might be pissed at the time but resolve their dysphoria anyway. The important question isn't really what makes kids happy at the time but what makes the adults they become happy and well-adjusted.
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I swear you are all r-slurred. What do you think the blind part of blind study means?
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Thanks I guess was speaking broadly inclusive to the disturbing amount of patient across all the research lost to follow up across all of these studies suggesting it is indeed potentially harmful because we can't even track how many of them killed themselves after transitioning outside of narrow parameters
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The existing quality of evidence is poor, and you're correct that there could be harms hidden by the methods that produced them.
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