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Bitching about how Jeff Bozos have been raping the defiled corpse of Robert Jordan Part number #174627254632 - GIRLBOSS EDITION

GIRLBOSS FOID POWER FANTASY COMPLAINTS:

Greetings you scags, scrotes and hags Many of you guys having made even a passing attempt to glans at the recent culture war of the past 5 years, would have heard about the GIRLBOSS meme, within and around chuds and avid anti-woke critics of recent media, especially movies and TV-series regarding popular franchises from giant companies like Disney

The Big complaints is essentially that woman characters have been trite because they are overpowered female-power-fantasies or mary sues or that the plots revolving them have become inferior as the directors/authors bend the in-universe rules and logic to make the primary female protagonist look great or whatever

Usually, and especially this is accompanied with the simultaneous corruption and Demasculation of the male cast, for the reason of (according to chuds) the enfranchisement of minorities for the purposes of wokeness.

Many examples of this phenomena are especially present in Disney movies. The Starshit Wars movies have the empowerment of the new Sequal Trilogy's prime starlet protagonist Rey (at least according to Chuds) be overwhelmingly competent to such extreme degree, that it erases tension, as the character is seldom in danger or faces actual adversity in their adventure - with the crowning bite of this concept in that the most prominent male protagonists, the pop-culture famous Luke and Solo seeming like deadbeat losers in comparison.

Rey instantly accomplishes all avenues of expertise in their domains from the previous Original Trilogy Movies, such as being a superior pilot and technician than deadbeat dad Solo, and being braver and more powerful that the cuck alien-titty milkdrinker Luke. This pissed off the Starshit fanbois about 8 years ago and would rift fandoms

Other examples are the new Asoka and Obi One series, where the male stars are kitties and cucks, and even if they are the supposed primary protagonists of their name TV series they get upstaged by their female counterparts in every stage.

In non-Disney examples, there has been the Rangs of Power, which followed the misadventures of Galadriel in an era long before the 2000s LOTR trilogy. Here she has also been criticised by chuds who fear girls can be their equals and the series accused of de-masculating the male cast to absurdity and the bending of logic, for the sake of making the female star Galadriel appear more competent or praiseworthy or whatever

A recent series, which is the sequel of Willow 1988, has also been criticized by chuds for making the main titular character a backstage actor in his own named show, and instead following a pair of lesbians upstaging the cuck beta male dwarf main protagonist, who appears to be completely inept compared to his movie appearance 30 years prior.

The list of similar events catalogued by chuds relentlessly and neurodivergentally is long, but you guys get the general gist.

The aversion to modern female led action heroines being denoted with the unfavorable epithet GirlBoss, has even influenced the arguments regarding the recent financial failure of Furiosa, a movie in the Mad Max. There's been lots of arguments in /r/boxoffice with chuds gloating at its failure and non-chuds arguing that the failure has been due to a complex set of factors in the modern film industry post-COVID.

Chuds claim that the movie slop of recent Hollyweird didn't just create badly written modern Heroines, but had made the public wary of female action heroines being automatically presumed to be inferior in writing due to the association of lowbrow Grilboss writing power fantasies and bullshit. And that subconsciously the NORMIES has caught on to the quality of female power fantasy slop peddled the past half decade in Hollyweird, and have been less prone to relinquish their hard earned money for a movie they are on the fence about, especially in the current Recession r*ped global economy of today.

But strong and able female heroines have been a thing for decades? So why are they a problem now? The Angelina Joline Lara Croft: Tomb Raider movies from 2001 and 2003 was pretty much well liked, and was basically the gender-bended version of the James Bond spy thriller movies - where the very author Ian Fleming way back in 1953 explicitly stated he created the character of James Bond to be a male power trip, as his absurd and unbelievable adventures were imagined hyper exaggerated espionage in the British Intelligence legends.

Which brings us to the recent Wheel of Time series which has had its own fandom rift and culture war conflict over the course of the past two years with many book purist vs chuds vs wokies vs Show-only fans vs people like me inciting conflict deliberately

Wheel of time is unique and difficult to criticize in this regarding GirlBosses, because the Wheel of Time Books have since inception had very powerful and potent Heroines

Despite being a man, Robert Jordan had almost half of all the most important people be women in his 11 books written over 15 years ( he croaked before he could finish the darn things, but left extensive raw manuscripts) and Jordan had fully half of all perspective chapters of the protagonists be from woman characters! (a total 704 total chapters and over 4 million words!! )

So chuds b%tching about Wheel of Time having GirlBoss epidemic are full of shit, compared to their complains about Girlbosses in franchises like Rangs of Power and Disney Starshit, right? There in the source material are explicitly power, charismatic and commanding women whom are important and decisive to the plot of the story - so the TV series Wheel of Woke following powerful women characters is actually following the will of the author this time, and chuds are just bitching that they are getting turbo cucked by women,

because they have micropricks and can't handle any STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS right?

Well you guys see the problem is the presentation of the fortitude of the female protagonists of the Wheel of Time books in the TV series, and they are quite similar to Disney mary sue heroines and tacky female-power fantasy tier characters who always without exception upstage and outmatch their demastculatedd male peers.

Think of the recent Witcher TV series in which the main lore protagonist Gerald, gets progressively upstaged by Yennifer in the series, despite her being only a thematic foil and character mirror in the books.

REDDIT:

https://old.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/16cj403/why_does_the_show_need_to_have_the_women_be/

"Why do the women have to be physically badass?" 59%

In the TV series many of the primary female heroines are physical karate and swordsmanship experts and beat up badguys with ease, similar to how the 50kg Black Widow manhandles 150kg bodybuilder badguys in the Marvel movies like they were paper-weights, instead of men 3 times more massive than fricking she is You can sometimes see the body-double doing the heavy legwork for the fricking actresses

In the Books, there 5 main starter characters are called by the fandom the "Emond's Field Five". They are 3 boys and 2 girls, who will gradually over the course of years in-universe transform from backwards, shy and timid country bumpkins, into powerful generals and leaders of international organizations, and lead full nation states into apocalyptic war. Their transformation from helpless fools into powerful warriors and witches capable of casting fricking napalm on armies or leading forces in battle with the tactical acumen of Caeser or Alexander the Great, is one of the appeal of the books.

For these girl characters to be so obviously skilled in martial arts, especially so early is just

In the books for example, the mage women are called Aes-Sedai, and usually are not skilled in martial combat, because they don't need to be, as again they can conjure up flamethrowers from thin air, so for them physical martial prowess is unneeded. There are Aes-Sedai whom have physical Martial prowess, but our 3 main female characters from the start of the books and series - Moiraine, Egwene and Nynaeve were all just regular women/girls whom were relatively defenseless without their magic powers.

In fact in the books, all of the Aes-Sedai mage women have Warders - men who are like Aragorn from LOTR rangers, whom are the greatest swordfighters on the continent, whom are basically sworn to protect their mage women wards to death, and basically deal with physical threats, like any bandits whom had managed to slip through the Aes-Sedai Napalm-flamethrower spray into immediate close range for dagger striking distance. Lan is the Warder for the Aes-Sedai character Moiraine played by Rosamund Pike

Now characters like Nyneave was a turbo tomboy and a firebrand whom took no shit from anyone, but for example when she tried to sneak up on the warder Lan, as she was one of the quietest sneaks in her village, but got turbo humbled by Lan who's been doing this for decades!

These 3 primary female heroines would develop from brats and country bumpkins to striking and charismatic heroines over time, and their power in magic did not need physical badassery in shit like swordfighting to showcase their mettle.

What's even worse is that there exists a faction of desert dwelling gingers, called the Aiel, whom are basically an entire ethnic group made out of Conan the Barbarian type motherlovers, whom are so extremely warlike that they are in-universe worth as much as ten non-Aiel forces, where regularly small groups of Aiel completely cuck and r*pe the rest of the continents armies by a factor of ten to one.

The Aiel are foreshadowed and talked about with such dread by the characters in books, that their final reveal is spectacular when they finally meet in the big-butt desert in which the warlike Aiel reside.

The Aiel are physically so so strong and powerful that they outclass all other armies on the continent, when the 5 main protagonists of the books, the Emond's Field Five, finally meet they are shocked and intimidated by the very tall and powerfully muscular Aiel. Think of meeting the Spartans from Zack Snyder's 300.

The most striking part of the Aiel is that like the soviet union, pretty much ALL of their women are warriors as well, entire tribes from teenagers up are raised like mongolian hordes to be part of the main manpower. While there are warrior women in the rest of the Wheel of Time lands, they are the exception, and men form the bulk of armies.

Our main characters are basically shocked at seeing these Amazonian warrior women who turbo cuck all the other factions in-universe. Not in the TV series though they are all already physically badasssssssss

"I mean, I think that's their point? They're saying you don't need to make every female character a badass with a blade out of nowhere for the purpose of female empowerment, as there are already plenty of women in the series for whom it makes sense that they are badasses at weapon-based combat"

"Is female empowerment the only possible explanation for a female character using a female character using a blade? In the books it was extremely common for characters to have a belt knife on them. Moiraine was being attacked and she used the only weapon she had available to defend herself. That doesn't make her a badass with a blade."

"Maybe and here me out, maybe if they didn't remove her powers for no reason what so ever her character wouldn't need to fight in a way that she never does in the books."

So basically to make you guys understand the issue, the soywoke writers literally could not help themselves into making the primary female protagonists turbo badass in terms of physical martial prowess, they just NEEEEEDED her to show badass swordsmanship in martial combat, not her warder Lan, whose job it is to do so in the books, because men ae cucks and demasculated wimps, and women don't need no man!

The issue here is that the strong women in the books, were literally STILL not strong enough for the writers and directors, and they just had to include generic modern Hollyweird GirlBoss all rounded independence and mary sue like qualities, where the women needed no aid from their cuck male peers, and so on

And just like the diversity issue i bitched about months ago, this physical badassery undercuts themes later explored in the books, where this TV show version of Moraine would be completely unimpressed with the Amazonian Aiel women, if she is already such an absurd badass with a sword!

Additionally in the books the Aiel are supremely arrogant and culturally chauvinistic, they hold open contempt for al other cultures and armies and warriors - and our protagonists would end up humbling Aiel in various ways, by demonstrating that inner strength of character, wits and tactical army leadership can overcome physically dominating foes

Instead as is typical with modern Hollyweird, NOPE, the girls are just experts and badasses with weapons from the very start, can't show Hollyweird chicks ever be less in any domain than their kitty wimp male peers

"It doesn't really change the point. It makes fades look like they are on par with your average street thug wanting to mug her. In that scenario I could see her wounding one and getting away. Fades are supposed to be a little more dangerous than some random street criminal wanting a coin."

Again this mary sue bullshit even undercuts tension from the GirlBoss moment itself, just to show how totally cool grils are. In the books Fades are super scary shit Even just one of them takes absolutely tremendous amount of skill and efforts to kill and dispatch. These things can move through walls, and stab you in the fricking back while you are holding a siege in one direction. Normal people piss themselves when even ONE of these things enter combat

and here our grilboss dispatched 3 of the fricking things like common generic badguysz from marvelslop

And you will get constant from the soywokes who will deny the powerscaling and tension breakers from lore to screen adaptation, or that the female protagonists are never ever portrayed as anything but underdogs

"Well- Lan is clearly held as the best swordsman in the series (books) and in ep 3 two fades literally toy with him. And yet moraine in the same fight (a whole foot taller than the book version) manages to hold her own against a fade with a dagger. WTF?"

"She holds her own? She gets a single stab in before the fade comes back after her. If Lan hadn't shown up, all she would have accomplished was delaying her torture and death by a few seconds."

"Why does she know any sword fighting?"

Lol the sarcasm against this wokesoy who refuses to adknowledge that having fricking expertise martial prowess with a bladed weapon is out of character for moraine.

"Ahh, sword play, the classic trope that signifies anger and frustration. It would make since if it were a hobby of hers or a skill she had control over to show contrast of her lack of control with her powers. It comes off as "wow what a bad butt" and seems like they picked a random activity for her to do while expressing her unhappiness with her teacher."

"You've never seen people work out to deal with frustration? That's a new one for you?"

"Yeah, like how sometimes you're so frustrated that you go do parkour to let off steam? You don't just pick up a sword and go. That's how you lose an eye."

And once again the 3 main female protagonists were very able and brave and competent characters in the books, who overcame much adversity, but they never showed martial prowess better than their male peers - thus making any argumentation against these type of insincere soys impossible.

"I'm just wondering why people think hiding and stabbing a Fade as it kills you is considered "badass" or "OP". I thought it was perfect that Moiraine wasn't a helpless maiden without the Power. She's resourceful and calm under pressure. That's her character to a T."

"Right? It's a move that she makes because she has no options. She's not holding her own in a fair fight or doing Jedi backflips or anything."

"I think the issue is what they are being op in. Nynaeve, eqwene and Elayne should be op in the one power and politics, but they shouldn't be op in physical combat. It's just not their character's strong suit."

It's basically for the whole thread.

LAST THREAD: TRUTH NUKE!!!!11111

https://old.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/168qf9b/the_show_is_a_female_power_fantasy/

"This adaption is permeated with female gaze and chauvinism. The way the reds are clear misandrists, the green act like creepy old perverts... We are frequently shown shirtless, muscular men in gratuitous scenes, but the rare moments of female nudity are always very tame and naturalistic, with zero titillation (constrast that with GOT's sexposition, the most classic example that Littlefinger's brothel scene)."

"Male characters are generally incompetent, flat or uninteresting, but even Liandrin, which was one of the most hated and one dimensional characters in the books, gets to shine."

i wonder what these people are doing here?! It's like they actively hate the books and Jordan's writing, which is fine, but then why the frick are they on the sub lol.

incel ajah, lmoa

https://old.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/168qf9b/the_show_is_a_female_power_fantasy/jyxfqz9/?context=8

Whooo boi lots of downmarseys in this specific chain

"Male characters are generally incompetent, flat or uninteresting, but even Liandrin, which was one of the most hated and one dimensional characters in the books, gets to shine.

Its one thing for them to be perceived as such from the pov of the powerful female characters, but when you consistently show that to actually be true youve lost me.

What exactly is it subverting here? Can you think of any piece of media thats come out in the past 30 years showing a highly patriarchal, misogynistic society where the women actually are incompetent, submissive housewives that cant be trusted with anything of importance?"

"Women aren't very prevalent in LOTR for sure, but the few that do play major roles are powerful, wise and courageous."

"But Eowyn is one of the most badass characters in those books, Arwen gets her moment to shine in the first one against the Nazgul and Galadriel could be on par in strength and power with Sauron. Not to mention Galadriel is key in getting the elves in the fight and Frodo's quest. So I don't quite see how that is a good example of ‘incompetent, submissive housewives'."

Some more put into words what we feel about the girlboss shenanigans:

"I think the issue that most people seem to have with it is that those themes were already present in the books, but the show exaggerates them to the point where it borders on insulting"

"I can't stand the fake girlboss way this is handled. Nynaeve sparring with the warders was done so badly. She's clumsy af (the warders were not much better, though), and looks terrible. Don't write things the actors can't pull off. The book's message is different but equal. This issue is just one example where the show has lost the plot from the start. As a side note, Lan's fight with the nightrunners was pretty embarrassing too."

"She wasn't really portrayed at being competent vs the warders though." Your eyes are lying to you chud

"I don't mind them bigging up the women, but not when it comes at the expense of the men. You can barely even call Rand a main character, and Rosamund Pike is always going to be sucking up screen time even when Moiraine should be taking a step back. The boys are being let down by this adaptation."

"This is just inaccurate - Rand has the second-most screentime, the most active screentime, and the second-most lines, in Season 1. https://www.thegreatblight.com/post/wheel-of-timing-analysis-an-s1-breakdown. He's clearly a main character, and Moiraine's largely boosted in S1 by the need to have her explain nearly everything."

"It's what he does with that screen time that's the problem, especially when compared to Nynaeve."

"Well I would say if rand has that much time on screen and spoken lines and still feels to so many as a side character than that's an issue. It means that even though he was on screen for all that time and had all those lines in comparison to others he didn't actually do or say much with any substance"

And finally

"I just don't understand why the source material isn't good enough to stick to. Game of Thrones did it for the first 6 seasons and everybody loved it. Then when they ran out of source material and started making up their own stuff it went downhill."