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:marseyautism: **MASSIVE LEVELS OF AUTISM** :marseyautism: Least delusional Wehraboo pizzaposts for pages on why the 1944 Wehrmacht would beat the 1991 US military

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/between-armys-america-circa-1991-vs-germany-circa-1944.32992

You think swearing adds any force to your lackluster arguments? Calm down and stop trying to ram your conclusion through with sheer cinematic force. I don't much care about your hateboner for wehraboos (?), or how you seem to have misconstrued germanys capabilitys in WW2.

You haven't made an actual argument for why the americans would win, you just puffed yourself into a furor about how crappy you imagine the wehrmacht was, and how the conflict will just be 'bing, bang, boom!' So again, put down the can of mountain dew and write something that makes more sense.

The Krautcope spergout begins. :marseyzwei:

For example, if you could get say two 88s and two 40mm to open fire on a MBT more or less simultaneously, the rapid fire of the 88s could allow piercing through the armor after repeated hits, especially given the limited multiple hit capacity of the best part of the armor. The 40mm can hopefully damage vulnerable exposed sections such as treads, sensors, and maybe even the weapons like machine guns or the actual main gun, limiting its ability to respond.

They can also degrade and confuse any active/passive defenses, making it more likely for the 88 to hit and penetrate. Finally, all that fire should cause quite a racket and shake around the tank a bit, degrading crew effectiveness, further increasing the troubles of the crew. If they could get 5 seconds of fire off on the enemy tank, assuming all shots hit, they could hit it with about 4 88mm rounds and 30 40mm rounds. That many large rounds should hopefully do something. One hit kills are going to be a long way off unfortunately.

Very realistic and non-contrived tactical scenario that can be repeated en masse :marseybigbrain:

Yes, the wehrmacht eventually lost against a coalition of very powerful nations (who they had been mauling earlier in the war). But that doesn't automatically mean the 1991-era americans can repeat this feet.

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The western allys won because of air superiority, material superiority, along with better generals and intelligence (ULTRA being just one example).

And the advantage wouldn't be even more dramatic half a century later? :marseythonk:

Yes, but they also don't have a habit of throwing themselves frontally at the enemy. Their doctrine was based around flanking maneuvers and encirclement, not charging into the enemys teeth. As a result, support troops will often be forced to defend themselves.

Those genius Germans are going to out maneuver the force that conducted arguably the single most decisive maneuver campaign in history.

You are actually wrong on this point, the 1944-era germans have a better repertoire than 1991-era americans. Their infantry were trained in a night march tactic which involved an entire battalion dissolving, infiltrating, and re-assembling at a rally point behind enemy lines before it attacks its objective in force.

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So the question is, how does gulf war america measure up to WW2 america in terms of competence? It has gotten better in some categorys, and worse in others.

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Do you know for a fact that they can make decisions faster than the germans, or are you just assuming that they can based on better communications? The americans have a larger divisional HQ than the germans, so one would think that they actually slower in this regard. Their command principles are also inferior: Germany may have invented mission type tactics, but the U.S. army was never able to fully imitate them due to cultural reasons.

MUTTS TOO FAT :marseyburger: :marseymutt:

This shit goes on for six more pages, so if you're a war autist like myself take a look and have a laugh at this massive brained ubermensch masturbator.

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You are actually wrong on this point, the 1944-era germans have a better repertoire than 1991-era americans. Their infantry were trained in a night march tactic which involved an entire battalion dissolving, infiltrating, and re-assembling at a rally point behind enemy lines before it attacks its objective in force.

Did he really just imply the Nazis had a doctrine to teleports behind u

Against modern radar and night vision and completely unchallenged air superiority

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Pssshhh... Nothin personnel... Yid.

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The weak and the stupid are easily misled.

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i’m no war autist but couldn’t they not beat the 1944 american army :marseythinkorino:

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The American war production was literally the entire reason the allies and the soviets won the war

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This man has never heard of the Highway of Death. Le epic blitzkrieg would do even worse than Saddams strategy of "put every single tank you own in one giant fricking convoy", particularly given the Nazis habit of running out of fuel

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* teleports behind you *

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50+ years of technological gap > literally everything else. Even if you gave the Wermacht the magical handicap of unlimited fuel, rations, and ammo they will still not only lose but get absolutely fricking slaughtered while the Americans take minimal if any casualties at all.

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We definitely could have won Vietnam if the goal was just "murder everyone." The Wehrmacht was pretty close to it in Eastern Europe and so were we. Just kill them all like gophers.

:#marseymcarthur:

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So McNamara was right, but not for the reasons he thought

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Eh not necessarily. If you put the Wehrmacht against the Bundeswehr it would be a punch-up because it would still be like 4 million dudes versus a peacetime β€œmilitary” that maybe has 20% of its kit working on a good day.

Against the US is r-slurred because burgers are constantly preparing for WWIII even though they almost exclusively fight small-scale infantry wars.


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You don't need guns to defeat modern white militaries. Just play the YWNBAW pasta on loudspeaker. The troons will finish off their own platoon in a fit of dysphoria.


Might not work with Germans though. Their platoons probably have one bullet to share between them all.

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Hearts of iron IV and it’s consequences…

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Any 1991 military would mop the floor with 1944 wehrmacht. Malians equipped with AK-47s, RPGs, and toyotas would beat the wehrmacht. Why people gotta be so tarded?

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They couldnt even beat a bunch of drunk poorcels whit shitty guns lmao

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Lol

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I love military peepee waving r-sluration, one of my favorite kinds of drama!

TOW is a pretty good tank killer, but it suffers from certain drawbacks. A long time of flight and SACLOS guidance is one of them. If the targeted tanks shoot back at the gunner, his aim might be thrown off and the missile could miss. Just as importantly, the TOWs optics cannot penetrate smoke screens.

I didn't know WWII Wunderwaffe could detect an ATGM being launched about 3 km away and engage it. Even modern tanks struggle to achieve that feat. :marseytank:

If the luftwaffe assembles their fighters ahead of USAF strike packages, then yes, they will have to go through them.

It's not like those modern, supersonic fighter jets could outmaneuver propeller planes, right? even if they engage in combat it would probably go just as well as this for the g*rmans.

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I'd never seen that footage before, very interesting. You'd think a wehraboo of all people would appreciate the edge that jet aircraft possess in dogfighting due to the ability to rapidly regain high energy states.

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I like how so many of his counterarguments essentially boil down to "but what if the Nazis got lucky tho :marseythonk:"

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Yeah the Nazis are outclassed in every conceivable metric, but what if my ridiculously inconceivable scenario happened repeatedly and the untermensch Americans were comically incompetent and wanted to lose. Didn't think about that, did you now? Nerd power level forum arguments always have some r-slur doing this same shtick whether it's history or fiction.

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the nazis could win against 1991 america if they hijack a bunch of commercial passenger planes and fly them into buildings. It's so crazy it might just work!

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But Hillary Clinton is running 91 era American army, so they automatically lose.

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This is my beef with the whole "consequences" thing Leftists keep spouting. Who the frick are you? No, seriously.....who the Frick are YOU to determine a) who should face consequences and b) what those consequences should be? Just like Youtube, Twat-face and the rest, you are Nobody. They are Nobody. No one voted you or the Twat-face Cancel Warriors into office--no one appointed you, Zuckface or the rest of the White Cis Male Patriarchy Brigade to a seat in a court as Judge, Jury or Executioner. You should never have even been given the notion that you have, any way whatsoever, the Power to determine those things. That's what the frick is wrong with society and cancel culture as it stands right now. Everybody wants to think they're fricking SPECIAL and have some Right to determine who should speak, about what they should speak, and how they should speak it.

I'm categorically against any antisemitism, Nazisms, racisms, misogyny and trans hate speech, and I think my record of posts on this site proves that. But I do NOT have the right to shut someone else up. That's not my fricking place. I an argue with them--I can disagree--I can post until the cows go home....but God did not come down from High and anoint me (or you), or anyone else, the power to cancel or shut people up just because I disagree with them.

Ya'll need to learn your fricking lane and stick to it. The Right to Free Speech is for speech you hate, not for speech you agree with. Go sit the frick down somewhere until you realize your place and learn how to stay in it.

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It's okay bb, calm down :marseysnappypat:

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