Just a reminder that I'm not advocating we be barbaric and deliberately cruel to farm animals, but that Redditors truly are never representative of their city/country/region sub and are usually the most liberal libshit soy part of that population.
You guys need to understand, it is not that these redditors are advocating for animal rights or good treatment that bothers me, it is because all of this is performative for themselves, it is very difficult to explain this concept, as it sounds like a bitter man resisting chance just cuz
Example: as a land surveyor i work in the lowest strata of society in Free State and other regions of South Africa, that includes Townships and shnatytown ghettos, informal settlements and so on, and THESE poor peeps REALLY don't even have the notion of animal rights and stuff.
Many poor black sotho/zulu and Tswane peeps have dogs, but they treat them more as useful cowtools, rather than pets to be loved: hunting dogs and stray dogs roam the townships as mangy feral skinny pests, only getting their meal if they aid their masters in catching hares or Tarentale
https://www.news24.com/citypress/news/township-amaphisi-20191116
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The fact that it is illegal to use dogs to hunt wildlife appears to do little to discourage their owners from letting the greyhounds' hunting skills go to waste.
They believe the dogs' only purpose is to run after wild animals, tear them apart and eat them – and this is the only time these dogs experience freedom in the wild.
"These dogs are meant for running – that's what they were bred for. Even if we don't catch anything on a day out hunting, a purpose is still served, which is to see them exercise and run in an open veld," says Shaka Mcwango, a young man from Kagiso Hostel who has three dogs.
To an ordinary person, the canine companions might appear skinny and underfed, but they are mostly well looked after as greyhounds are expensive dogs for the amaPhisi – those who hunt with dogs. [SSSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE ]
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It's fair to say South Africa doesn't have the greatest rep when it comes to illegal hunting. We have a thriving canned lion industry, and rhino poachers who, depending on who they know, are above the law.
Mashable have now published some incredible images showing members of a Soweto township partaking in illegal dog hunts. Whilst I in no way support hunting per se, I do think there is a big difference between hunting for food, as these guys apparently do, and have done since their ancestors settled on the land – and hunting for sport, entertainment or profit.
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They're doing it cuz they are hungry poor people you yuppie morons
Then there is the ever EVER present sight of mangy abused guard dogs chained to their paltry pathetic 3 feet of chain fence around their kennel house. Where i as they surveyor have to squeeze between crappy fences and wires to measure the corner beacons or house corners, while dogs try to nip my ankles. They are not pets they are cowtools for poor people.
The DBV, the Animal-Protection-Association are worthless in their reach inside Townships because of how widespread this is within the entire country, instead they harass white upper class wymmin because their poodles don't get to eat tuna or some shit.
https://networkforanimals.org/news/the-agonizing-deaths-of-township-animals/
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Rural townships are home to an estimated 85% of all pets in South Africa, and most of them are likely to suffer agonising gruesome deaths. Township life is tough and dangerous, and most poverty-stricken pet owners don't regard animal welfare as a priority. In fact, it's at the bottom of their to-do lists, and many animals end up on the streets as a result. On top of this, most rural households cannot afford veterinary care and many pets are not vaccinated. Sick animals are often killed for fear of potential infections.
Dogs have become regular targets for troubled children, who have never been educated about animal welfare. Recently in the Cape Town township of Langa, seven pups were stabbed with pointed sticks and then set alight by a group of children. Michelle, the mother of the pups, jumped into the flames and bravely pulled each of her puppies to safety. She was severely burnt herself.
Animal welfare organization, Network for Animals (NFA), rescued the puppies, provided them with veterinary care, and took them to a local animal shelter who will care for pups until they find suitable homes for them.
This is one of many similar stories where animals have been attacked and tortured by children.
"Awareness on animal welfare is desperately needed and NFA conducts workshops educating communities about it, but more needs to be done," said NFA's chief campaigner, David Barritt.
[WHAT ARE THESE SHITTY WORKSHOPS LMOA]
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https://networkforanimals.org/how-you-can-help/south-africa-calvinia-dogs-tiger-and-boelie/
"Most local people do not understand that animals are sentient beings deserving of compassion. They abandon them to lives of misery. " And these are for supposed PETS as you can imagine farmanimals have an even LOWER priority for compassion outside of exploitation. Especially cattle of township communal herdings.
"They drove over this dog!!"
"ee ja, and wat id the problem?"
"P.S. 200 dogs in Calvinia, South Africa, are counting on YOU! Their suffering is unbearable, but with your donation today, we can rush them crucial food and life-saving veterinary care."
And here is my problem with this performative annoyance, i see 200 chained up dogs per day when working in a shitty no-name township in the middle of dusty townships or suburbs on a weekly basis.
It is not that i try to belittle efforts to combat abuse or giving attention to factory farming cruelty as in the linked Reddit thread, but what you guys will see is what is not said, and that there is a hidden racial element to the reasoning behind the complaints.
Most poor peeps, the poor in the caliber of shanty towns and the type to abuse dogs and farm animals because of a lack of education or fricks given, are black, and subsequently most commercial farmers, those either wealthy or use farms large enough to be capable of commercial farming, tend to be white, especially cattle/sheep/chicken farmers.
Thus most of these cute twinks in the reddit thread would never apply their criticism of animal cruelty equal to society - additionally the factory farming in RSA is much different from that of USA, and free range roaming much much more common, because land is more cheap in the type where cattle is held. The only exception would be chicken factory farming which depending on your definition would be similar as to that of yank large scale commercial chicken farms.
"Buy from a reputable butchery where they can tell you where the meat comes from." The impracticality of this soy shit cannot be overstated.
lol you will notice there's not a lot of soy pushback when poor south africans straight up say they buy where it is cheapest - this would be downmarseyd to oblivion in westoid subs.
"Yeah. I don't care about the life of a chicken."
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RETVRN TO URBAN FISH FARMS THAT EAT DA POOPOO
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2021/03/urban-fish-ponds-low-tech-sewage-treatment-for-towns-and-cities/
!germs !chuds
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DEVTSCHE EFFIZIENZ
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The germans, even in their feces management, must find a way to beat the rest of us.
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You are so right Juschi-Junge
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I'm not a jurnalist like you I'm a soldier like my father 😔
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They beat rest of the world in most things: waste management, roads, nazism
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And being the 4th largest economy in the world for the past 100 years.
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This is what happens when you get rid of the yews
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I can't help but feel that they get rid of the yews and then all the non-yews go on strike for 3 years
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germany didn't do this for science
scat is one of their most popular fetishes
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Poor and uneducated people abusing animals is a universal concept.
In Poland if you got some remote village you will find a dog that spends all his life chained by a 1,5m chain to an improvised doghouse and eats whatever leftovers are available.
You actually can see that in even less remote villages, but it's less common there than it was 20 years ago.
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It's all virtual signaling. The Chinese call these people Baizuo, Americans call them woke, the rest of the world calls them r-slurs.
!effortposters
Another good SA post from @kaamrev
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Opting for pets over children is selfish and 'takes away our humanity,' says Pope Francis.
Pope Francis has proven hit and miss with how he chooses his words but he's scolded the women pushing dogs in strollers a few times now.
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Popium levels off the charts
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We have a marsey for that now. Did you not know?
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@Lv88_Slime stand with Israel and the Pope
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I've been volcelmaxxing because this world really really does not need another generation of us. (Believe me, I'm way worse in real life.) I should get a goddarn medal for actually having some goddarn self control. The one thing most humans are incapable of. They'll do anything, but tell them to just not do something and they're incapable.
Also I clocked Pope Francis immediately. Latin American communist. Frick, I just ran into this guy playing my old boomer game a few days ago:
(I know he based these characters on specific people in the 1980s because one is obviously Corazan Aquino and one is Roxas. )
I'm not even right-wing by any stretch of the imagination. Call me crazy, but can we just go back to the pre-1500s world where there's some latitude about exactly how Christians do their thing and we don't have to kowtow to whatever Italian the wops decided to foist on us? Look up where the popes came from in the last... uhhh... 2000 years. It's even crazier than the US Supreme Court.
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You kinda bounced all over the place with this of thought. I really wasn't trying to derail Kaam's thread (sorry ) into a discussion about the Pope, it was just an on topic quote.
I know you know more history than to believe that Protestants were more accepting of differences in belief/practice. Half the reason the USA even got going was that England didn't want to deal with the Puritans running around smashing things and rioting, and they brought those attitudes over with them and it continued for a long time.
IDK, I do think that having children usually brings out qualities of selflessness and caring in most people. Obviously it's tragic when parents suck but most are and that's ok.
Communism is fundamentally a Christian heresy and Pope Francis was a Jesuit priest/bishop when that was running rampant in SA but the ties are pretty slim and he's denounced them a number of times while expressing sympathy for the underlying humanitarian motivations most commies espouse. Which is a pretty mild and pastoral take still in line with the last 100+ years of Church history.
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its not zero sum
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Impotent 60-year old chinks are a blight on this planet.
The one encouraging thing I can tell you is that someday when these places stop being third world this stuff does end. In Korea they stopped eating dogs a long time ago. The only controversy now is about shutting down like 3 places in the country where they're sold for food. In China they used to do that shit in Guangdong, I know in the '90s they still had these public markets with every kind of animal in little cages for sickos to buy. But about a decade later you had girls there standing on the train tracks to block cats and dogs getting brought in for food. When these people aren't desperately poor anymore they really do develop a conscience.
I should look up that time when my Dutch ancestors were bitching about the Boer War and the British empire in general. One of the many times when I'm reading about my ancestors fighting each other. Oh yeah, and I never did post the letter from the resistance chad in WW2 that's going to be the greatest dramapost of all time. That's why I was mad at her. I had spent hours typing it out and finding the pictures and stuff, and I was going to post it the next morning at the ideal time. But then I fricked up and incoherentposted and one thing led to another and I got the banhammer and my greatest day of getting attention on social media turned into me actually having to deal with real life.
Anyway, just remind me to post it tomorrow if I forget. This is a letter that has absolute fricking gold in it like:
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Dog meat in China is still everywhere, for the same reason lion meat and tiger peepee sells: TCM.
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Turner Classic Movies??? I know they're a little old-fashioned by the tastes of people today but...
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It's not my job to educate you.
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Frick... I guess I'll have to ask Robin DiAngelo the next time she comes over for a DEI seminar.
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You have DEI seminars in Crippletown? Not enough brown amputees?
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Obviously. You think they give medical treatment to white men who are possibly problematic?
This whole thing has really confirmed my belief that racism is r-slurred. Spent a lot of time in the hospital and saw stuff that really doesn't align with what a racist would expect. Most of the white nurses actually had souls.
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I love nurses so much. We would go over the checklist of symptoms of everything. Then she would get to one and smile and look up at me and say "But are you agitated?"
And in my best Riker impression from "Frame of Mind" I would say "Agitated? You bet I'm agitated!"
Was the right point where she's semi-flirting with me enough to signal to me at an extremely low point in my life that I'm not completely worthless but she knew I wouldn't be weird about it and think we're getting married or something. !biofoids take notes. You don't actually have to try really hard to get men to rope every second of your lives.
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most wildlife TCM shit was outsourced to thailand. i know a singapore guy who likes going to thailand to eat shark fin soup.
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100% try canned lion. Bet it makes a delicious sandwich !grillers
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Big predators generally dont make great eating, id bet lion is pretty underwhelming. Usually bad textures, tough, and gamey, hard to cook without dousing with spices. Fried alligator is decent tho
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So what I'm hearing is that a good heavily spiced stew would be perfect
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Thatd absolutely be what id try
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Predator meat tends to suck. Unless it's fish for some reason.
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I've heard that bear meat is pretty good albeit gamey.
not sure if you mean that carnivorous fish are tasty or that the meat of fish-eating predators is good, but if the latter, I guess that might explain it since bears do eat fish and plant matter
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Bears actually eat way more plants then meat. And then even that it's mostly bugs.
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As far as soy virtue signaling goes, that thread is pretty decent
OP asks for personal recommendations, not societal changes. They don't talk about the meat industry like a typical Reddit leftoid, where they'd blame greed and the 1% for making it "unethical." Even in the responses you screenshotted, they understood the person buying supermarket meat and conceded that documentaries are biased. They seem pretty level headed to me
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By Reddit standards is a bar lower than shark shit shade
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What would you have wanted OP to do differently? See factory farming as a non-issue and just eat the cheap meat?
I guess I don't really fault them for seeing factory farming as an issue and wanting their buying habits to support more "ethically" sourced meat. If anything, it seems principled.
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I don't know I just am psychologically predisposed to oppose Reddit on all things in life
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Not virtue signal about animal rights
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@kaamrev @TournamentFishing made a poll and people goombled on whether you would have a good weekend or not. How was it?
The modern western woman cares more about the lives of animals than they do actual children. I love all animals but the fact that there are charities for animal welfare/veterinary care in impoverished areas where children are going without clean water/food/education is just such a perfect microcosm of the upside down morality of modernity.
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Animal friendly meat doesn't exist. Just don't buy meat if you don't like animal abuse. Simple as, don't b-word and moan.
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Braaaaaai
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Those are some starved dogs, I've seen a lot of strays and I've never seen one that skeletal. Is your waste collection even in rural areas very efficient? Here they mostly just subsist off our garbage.
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they either eat garbage or just die in the streets
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they have to compete for rubbish with locals
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Snapshots:
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@timmy_blueballs say this from a place of love, but @timmy_blueballs really think you are r-slurred if you think these whites want too protect the animals because of racism.
You aren't appreciating whiteys decades too centuries long obsession with dying for his fur baby.
They would happily see a white foid die too dogs too if she is proven too be abusing them.
Also all you're article did was prove that poor people are cruel and vicious too.
This is why rich people don't let the poors in, because they know the poors are made too live lives hard enough too make them incapable of rich people levels of empathy.
Kindness comes from wealth.
Sometimes it comes from poverty too no doubt about it, but the cruelty of the poor easily outdoes any kindness they show.
The wealthy prove their kindness is greater by the fact that society continues too keep getting better with them on top.
@timmy_blueballs stand with Israel.
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