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Atheism left an empty space
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 18, 2024
Secular religion took its place
But left the people in despair
Childless hedonism sans care
Maybe religionβs not so bad
To keep you from being sad
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Maurrassisme then. At least his views on religion anyway. Not really novel.
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Would have been more popular if he made some catchy rhymes
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I think all of mankind has mostly been this, true believers were always a minority. Modern state just made people feel secure enough they no longer felt need to gaslight others about some supernatural eternal justice.
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You'd have to define true believers in such a way that makes non-believers meaningless for that to be true.
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How many people really act IRL like they believe heck and all its punishments exists. Religious societies aren't even particularly virtuous societies compared to non religious ones. If even basics like prohibition can't be ensured without force most of the population doesn't really believe. But everyone makes pious noises in hopes others actually believe.
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The majority of people? Even now your average "non-religious" Lib still worries about being in the right side of history and the historical penury failing to do so incurs. Not to say even the most vocally religious (and sometimes especially them) fail on a deeply held religious precepts but they absolutely do try.
I can't speak on Hinduism but no offense man you're a chuddy Atheist who seethes at and denigrates "Abrahamics", how your average religious peasant and noble would have approached shit like sin, failure and forgiveness from a (Western) Christian perspective is unlikely to be somwthing you'd weigh as meaningful.
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And I don't think this has particularly changed. Most people kept living as their ancestors always had, regardless of what the religion they believed in said tho they did fight wars over it. Islam couldn't even eradicate pederasty in a millenia and that evokes visceral disgust in anyone who isn't a homo p-do that'd allow you to lynch anyone engaging in it. If you see what religions have actually managed to achieve socially its mostly very cosmetic stuff like celebrations, you can't really say what a Christian or Muslim society is like despite both faiths trying very hard to impose a social order. You can to an extent with Jews because its an ethnoreligion. Economic changes seems like only thing capable of changing society.
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What's the issue here? Drinking =/= drunkness.
And the second picture is the exact point I'm getting at. You fundamentally don't understand sin, failure and forgiveness so a single failure point in your eyes ends up tarring the society as a whole. Looking into Iran Open Data I'm unable to find anything about who they are or how they did their poll but the WHO report they reference (or more accurately the EuroNews article they link to that references the report) straight up says the opposite of what they claim https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/274603/9789241565639-eng.pdf?ua=1&ua=1. The report has two sections GenPop which is as low as you'd expect and then a specific survey on proclaimed alcoholics which is probably what they're referring. It's how you get r-slurred claims that Tunisia is above Russia and Lithuania based off consumption.
You're taking the failure of a (possibly good) few alcoholics and using that to deem that of the genpop who hold their faith (of which modern Iran isn't even necessarily the best example of when it comes to Islam) as nothing but farce. Again unless you make unbelief a meaningless term you can't say most who do profess don't believe themselves.
And I absolutely could say what a Christian or Muslim society is like. I'm surprised you couldn't. Even the differences between Bosnia and its neighbours as alcohol enjoying as the former can be relative to other Islamic countries is palpable.
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Is drunkenness not a core part of the popular culture of most European groups? Germans even make festivals out of it lol. Would you honestly say a majority of Europeans at any point in history did not get drunk at a decent frequency? IDK if foids used to drink in the past so exclude them if they didn't.
Iranian and Chinese disapora made fake news is so tiring
It isn't really the failure itself I'm talking about, more the risk/gain aspect if you believe the risk really exists. Like celibacy is impossible for most because that's a biological need. But alcohol just makes you feel high. Its not a need.
I'm obviously not talking about alcoholics here but if you are just regular normalstrag who drinks once a month or something but also believe getting drunk is a sin that is what I don't understand. And I believe most Europeans were like that?
Would you group Balkan Christians with African Christians over Balkan Muslims if you were talking about cultural proximity? What would you say is common element in a Muslim society? Ex SSRs, Caucasians, Gulf Sheikhs, Sub Saharans, SEA ones and subcontinentals what unites them all? Same for Christians.
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I can't speak for the Germans (!germs) but as I understand it Oktoberfest is first and foremost a festival. At least in Bavaria. And a relatively new ome at that with the first happening in the early 1800s. Oktoberfest the get smashed beer event is even more recent and, again as I understand it, an extreme commercialisation of the festival where beer becomes the whole and seemingly only point of it.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case for a lot of similar events. In regards to risking drunkedness at all by drinking whatsoever the answer is to know your limits. More fully you end up in a bit of theology about managing the good God has given (as alcohol is regarded as an enjoyable good in most denominations) but not abusing said good in seeking its use. For Catholicism in particular going over your limit is more likely to be a venial sin as long as you learn from it and manage yourself going forward as the real issue is the debasement of the person by losing your senses and reason. Basically your average medieval peasant drinker doesn't plan to get drunk in the first place and someone who continually does so i.e. a drunkard was the ln just as now maligned though not violently so.
Thinking about it for me it's that I know what to expect in different religious societies or more accurately I know what's missing from whatever I consider usual. And this tracks across those examples you gave. You're right on the groupings however I would group the Balkans together over the say Central Africa but within that Balkan group I'd absolutely seperate out the Orthodox Balkans from the Muslims (Bosnians and Albanians) from the Catholics (Croats and Slovenes). I guess for an example I remember you complaining about how early Christians sperged out over Christology with Dyophytism vs Monophysitism vs XYZ and so on. You pointed out they were silly differences to fight over but while I wouldn't go as far as murdering half of my family over it ala Julian's parents I don't regard it as silly in the slightest. The difference ends up meaningful from the inside. Conversly I honestly can't begin to parse say the differences between the Twelvers, Isma'ili and the Zaydi. I can read their Wikipedia page and at least cop the differences as written but none of them seem significant enough for me from my outside looking in but they're obviously significant enough to them to mean something. Insignificant enough to broadly align against the Sunni but still enough to seperate themselves from each other. Now I do admit I doubt the average Christian knows enough about any type of phytism in the first place or even if they did know give a shit like I would in my example but it's similar for other issues.
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Posts like this is why I do Heroine.
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Ephesians 5:18
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Ephesians 5:18
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