Jannied for asking in bad faith. Tons of incessant chuddery and hand wringing in good faith.

There are many replicated studies showing IQ differences between races, so people who say otherwise are either uninformed or attempting to be politically correct. Your teacher is wrong unfortunately. The IQ differences are also at least partially explained by genetics.

Oh my god, where do I even start with this flaming hot dumpster fire of a comment? You rolled up here acting like you've cracked the genetic code of human intelligence, but all you've done is regurgitate centuries-old, debunked, pseudo-scientific garbage with the confidence of someone who skimmed one bad blog post and decided they're an expert. Let's tear this apart

First off, "replicated studies"? Really? That's the hill you're dying on? Newsflash, IQ differences between groups don't prove some grand genetic narrative, they prove we live in a world rife with inequities. Poverty, education quality, systemic discrimination, ring any bells? Oh, wait, let me guess, you skimmed a headline and decided all these factors are just "politically correct excuses." Actual scientists, you know,the kind who publish peer-reviewed research and don't just scream into the void online, have consistently shown that environmental factors account for these differences. Your take isn't just wrong, it just stupidly,embarrassingly simplistic.

Let's talk about race for a second. You do realize race isn't some neat biological category, right? It's a social construct, a messy one at that. The genetic diversity within any so-called racial group is greater than the differences between groups. So your whole "race = IQ" argument doesn't even make it out of the starting gate. It's like saying people with big feet are better at math because shoe size must correlate with intelligence. Do you hear how ridiculous that sounds? Because everyone else does.

Your weak little disclaimer about not using this to judge individuals. Congrats on trying to sound reasonable while peddling a racist framework. That's like saying, "Hey, I'm just pointing out how pineapples ruin pizza, but don't judge each slice on an individual basis." You're still serving up garbage. Your argument isn't bold or groundbreaking, it's tired. It's ignorant. It's been dismantled so many times by actual experts that bringing it up now is like showing up to a chess match with checkers pieces and insisting you're winning. Next time, maybe spend less energy parroting outdated eugenics nonsense and more time engaging with actual research. Or, you know, just sit this one out entirely. We'd all be better off.

Could you send me the information that lead you to the conclusions of "Actual scientists, you know,the kind who publish peer-reviewed research and don't just scream into the void online, have consistently shown that environmental factors account for these differences.". From my understanding, environmental factors most certainly play a large role in IQ, especially poverty and malnutrition, but I'm not familiar with any research that shows environment explaining anywhere close to all the variance in IQ between or within groups.

use your brain here, depending on where you are born, you have genetics in line with that population/ethnicity you're from. literally anything: skin colour, eye colour, muscle mass, bone density, lung capacity will vary between ethnicities. why on earth is IQ different?

Precisely. The only reason it's denied is because the implications are bleak and immuttable.

Pretty people privilege is another one many don't like to touch at all. Attractiveness and intelligence are the two privileges that transcend all others. If youre honest and attentive, you'll notice that most of the people crying about privilege online are often lacking in both.

There are. It's just a forbidden topic because it upsets people.

I don't think there's a differentiation with race, more like country since your intelligence heavily relies on multiple external factors which aren't innate/genetic.

Anyone who's downmarseying me is obviously white lol.

I at least upmarseyd because I agree.

Yea, as we all know the average iq is probably higher in small university towns too, not surprising due to the selection of people that arrive to town and the heritability of iq. But we shut the f up about that too. We don't express it that way because we all know that the unwashed masses and the woke left and the unhinged right will make any discussion impossible so just drop the subject if you want to stay sane.

Well the argument is almost always done in bad faith. It's almost alway to show that a certain race or group is naturally dumber than another. It holds 0 real benefit. Race is also a pretty ambiguous term because there is a ridiculous amount of genetic diversity in most "races"

How is there 0 benefit in understanding that cognitive ability varies for genetic reasons between groups? If we knew that this was the case, maybe we wouldn't have invested trillions of dollars into affirmative action and educational intervention for the purpose of remediating said differences? As long as the assumption that these gaps exist for purely environmental reasons, people will continue to believe that the White Europeans are responsible for oppressing those others to the degree that such differences manifest.

Geneticist here! Also gifted URM.

Two important factors to consider: 1. Genetic differences: Intelligence is a polygenic trait, meaning it is influenced by many genes. Currently, not all the genes associated with intelligence have been identified. In fact, there are still many gaps in our understanding of the genetic basis for various traits. For example, services like 23andMe sometimes make incorrect predictions (e.g., they claim I have wavy hair, which I don't). Until we fully understand the genetic factors that contribute to intelligence, we can't definitively determine how it varies across populations. 2. Environmental influences: IQ is often confounded with factors like poverty, education, and access to resources. At present, most identified gifted children come from stable, supportive households where parents have the time and resources to nurture their potential. In contrast, moderately gifted children from less privileged backgrounds may not be as readily identified, as they often lack access to the same opportunities and enrichment. This means our awareness of giftedness is highly skewed by socioeconomic factors.

As you can probably guess, race, culture, and poverty are deeply interconnected due to historical and systemic inequalities. Until we can fully disentangle the effects of these factors, any conclusions about the prevalence of giftedness across racial or cultural groups come with significant caveats.

Why do poor whites, asians, and jews commit significantly less crime than would be predicted of their socioeconomic status? Why has there not been a single study that shows socioeconomic intervention has been effective in reducing these so called "environmental factors"?

poor white british people in council estate areas in england are in the top 5 parts of england with the highest crime rate

The British Empire sent their criminals to Australia and the prison colonies of Georgia, America, and Australia has been doing pretty great lately.

yeah hundreds of years ago not now you are just denying statistics two of the top 5 worst areas for crime in england were over 92% white middlesborough and cleveland search it up for urself the other 3 were black areas you just deny data its unbelievable

I'm just pointing out a whole bunch of criminals were sent to Australia, and they made a functioning society. That's pretty impressive.

There are, but it's taboo to talk about it.

how come in India punjab has an iq of 96 and uttar pradesh is around 70-80 its a lot to do with financial aswell

May I see the study that purports Punjab IQ to be an average of 96?

https://raceandiqmyths.blogspot.com/2016/12/average-iq-of-india-and-iq-map-of-india.html

its actually 99

Read "The Bell Curve "

this is like saying "read mein kampf"

There is a notable difference between the mean IQ of different races, with Asians testing the highest followed by whites then Latinx then blacks, but it's a topic that a lot of people aren't emotionally ready to handle. See this cartoon for a funny take on the controversy.

If you want to learn more, you can always read The Bell Curve, which dove deep into this topic. You could also look into the Minnesota Study of Twins Raised Apart (MINSTRA), which found that genetics plays arguably the biggest role in intelligence, estimated at around 70 - 75%. The role of environment also plays a role but as children become adults, the effects of genetics become more pronounced and environment less pronounced.

this is fricking insane. you just linked to a white supremacist comic made by a literal nazi, then linked to a book by a fricking white supremacist who claims that the reason for the current social strata is that women, black people and latinx people are fundamentally stupider than white men and as such can't compete in the workplace.

when you start linking nazis and white supremacists to back up your points you need to start realising you're insane.

And you follow progressive values that led to 1920's Progressive eugenics that Nazi's learned their methodology from? 1920's Progressives were sending Native Americans to the reservation. 1920's Progressives were experimenting on minorities, but you're a Progressive, right? By the way, Progressive Christian values that were reactionary to traditional christianity.

quite possibly the most insane take you could've had. this sub is parroting the talking points of eugenicists.

there's nothing progressive about the nazis. there's nothing progressive about christianity. the real progressives in germany were researching about trans ppl before they were all killed and all their books and research was burned by the nazis.

nazis were insanely reactionary. literally complete opposite of being progressive lmao.

also "reactionary to traditional christianity"???? do you know what reactionary means??