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IPAcel cope. You just dump shitloads of hops in. I could make an IPA
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Got some friends who've taken the IPA pill and they're all like:
No. This is just shit quality control where they can't get consistent results and call it all different stupid names like "Fleurine Moon Nectar".
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Yeah, I like IPAs but it's pretty darn clear that the "variety" is a reflection of the inconsistent brewing and QA/QC. This varies based on the beer and brewery. Some are noticeably worse about it than others. Deep Ellum IPA is a really bad offender, as is Community Mosaic. It takes a lot of cope and brand loyalty to try to handwave that away as a feature rather than a flaw.
To be honest, I feel like it has less to do with trying to hide behind hops and more to do with the variety of ingredients a brewer tries to stuff into the beer. At least this is what I think happens with Deep Ellum IPA. They've put so many darn fruits into the process that they've made it impossible to maintain consistency. The less "complex" IPAs are typically more consistent.
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Saint Arnold’s art car is all you need
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That actually makes a lot of sense. There's a local brewery near me who makes a few really good IPAs, but they also brew a ton of other beers. They keep a constant list of favorites while also rotating in some seasonal beers or new recipes they're trying out.
To an outsider, it's bizarre that this isn't the standard business strategy for all independent breweries. Why do it any other way? Other breweries seem to only brew IPAs while also keeping up a constant rotation of new flavors. Every time you go, you're presented with a brand new list of beers. You'd think they'd want to build their brand by sticking with a popular brew and promoting it, encouraging repeat customers and brand loyalty, but I never considered the fact that they're simply unable to achieve any consistency.
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People mock like the big beers like Budlight or whichever but the level of uniform quality they reach is impressive. Granted, that quality is average to bad, but it still requires a ton of elements.
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Like Macdonalds, i wont get a bad burger. I'll always get the same quality burger. Byy bud light bc every bud light is the same
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IT SUCKS! IT"S WATERED DOWN SHIT!! THE AVERAGE BURGER HAS RUINED EVERY MICROBREWERY THAT SELLS ON A NATIONAL SCALE!! THEY SELL REGULARLY GREAT TASTING BEER, BUT THEY WANT THAT MARKET SHARE, SO THEY DROP THE FLAVOR!!!! FRICK THEM! I FRICKIN HATE THE BURGER TASTE BUDS! I HATE THE BURGER TASTE BUDS!!!
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I occasionally homebrew when I have the time, that is unironically what you do to salvage a bad batch
It's the equivalent of smothering rotten meat in an ungodly amount of spices
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I homebrew as well so I love this drama. Literally every brewer I know loves to shit-talk IPAs because anyone who's brewed knows exactly what's going on there.
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My dog knocked a ton of hops off my counter into a bucket of water and made an IPA.
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So talented! good boy
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Wow that sounds horrid, thanks, IPA Enjoyer, for explaining why your beer choice fricking sucks
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Double dry hopped hazy IPAs are basically the male version of a mimosa
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Essential reading, this comment
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both taste good btw
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Hazy IPAs are crap. They taste like bitter, carbonated syrup.
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Ok buddy
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Sierra Nevada Hazy Little Thing isn't bad.
Oh, that's another thing about IPAs. Too many have dumbass names.
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I have yet to hear someone explain to me why I should consider IPA "good."
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Some of them taste good and they are strong so they get you drunk
I can’t defend all the milkshake juice bumbs that taste like shit and cost 4.99 a beer at the store
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Just drink liquor.
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Way ahead of you.
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Beer takes up more room in your stomach and is absorbed more slowly, so it's much more difficult to get super fricked up on beers under 7.0% ABV.
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Yeah but it sucks.
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It's better than light beers and I don't like the rest of the lagers. I do like Mexican beers, though.
Edit: Wheat beers are ok, but not my first choice. I don't like stouts.
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Idk I just hate beer.
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Fair enough
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It’s not my job to educate you, sweaty.
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Blue Moon is basically the only good beer in existence.
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Man, I've been raging about craft beers for months and no one wants to listen. Got some mates who spend upwards of £7 for a 330ml can of this shitty pale cat piss and acts like he's some sort of connoisseur describing all the different notes.
They all taste identical to me. Fruity, sour hoppy piss.
I don't know if its wannabe hipsters moving on from big-brewer generic lager or what, but yeah IPAs suck.
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People like things I don't like!
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People complain about things I see no fault with
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The only thing that matters to me on a beer's label is the ABV %. I'll stomach your hopinator supreme triple IPA with extra hops if it's 9.5% and not outrageously expensive.
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That's r-slurred. There's no way you could carry a nice buzz for more then an hour or two with those. You're either going to tip into shitfaced territory or get sick of drinking them and sober up.
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Voodo Ranger is the GOAT. 9.5% abv 19 fl oz can for $3.
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That's my go-to as well.
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Also great so you can tell the wife you only had 2 or 3 beers
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All beer tastes horrible and anyone who feels otherwise is kidding themselves.
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You are wrong
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Anyone who drinks alcohol for flavor and not to get fricked up is delusional
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The true test of a good brewer is to make a lager, since it takes time and precision, but because it isn’t 7% ya lets grey fukkkkkrd up bros, the hipsters hate them bc millennials hate their parents and wouldn’t be dead seen drinking something akin to a national brand
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I don't like the hustle and bustle, but hating on IPAs is contrarian cope.
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Hating on IPAs is good and proper.
FTFY.
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I agree to some extent, but I enjoy IPAs and I admit that there's a lot to hate on. You have lazy brewers throwing in random flavors, bad quality control, quirky bullshit flavors, etc., and that's not to mention the culture around IPAs. Many IPA drinkers maintain a reddit-like superiority complex about IPAs, meanwhile they're objectively lower quality and easier to make than a good lager or pilsner. Some fat person-of-marvel with a terrible beard will sit there struggling to sip down some disgusting 7% ABV habanero-flavored IPA and think he's better than you because you chose to drink something that actually tastes like beer. I don't think it's contrarian to hate on these people or some of the beers they've forced themselves to enjoy.
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I've had IPAs that I didn't hate before but my only real criteria for beer is that I can pound it easily. And the "I like bitter things guy" is full of shit. I bet he doesn't even eat weeds out of his yard.
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Hops contain literally the strongest estrogen analogue that used to cause the fieldworker boys to start to develop breasts and girls have their period earlier. Taken in massive quantities is close to a weak HRT alternative, at least for menopausal women. Soy doesn’t even come close.
Also they’re fricking gross. I’ll still to my supreme golden wheatmaxxing brews, thank you very much.
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Ever have sam smith's Nut Brown Ale?
Shits god-tier and wheatmaxxed.
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Hazy IPAs in particular are the ultimate in lazy brewing. I hate them. They suck butt. Any beer can be hazy if you do a shit job of making it then don't filter it. That's literally what they are. And because they're so fricking easy to do everyone's got 5 variations of some (usually not very good) hazy IPA on the menu.
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I like Sweetwater Hazy IPA but their variations are butt. I gave one to a friend once and she said it was the worst craft beer she ever had, lol. If you ask for a hazy IPA in any given bar, they'll probably give you a Sierra Nevada Hazy IPA, which is kinda meh but not the worst.
I used to like craft kolschs and lagers, but hard to find good ones (even though they were trendy a couple years back).
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Its not that I dislike IPAs. It's just got to be a little something more than 100% 2 row malt and enough hops to burn out your pallette. I want my beer to taste like beer god darnit.
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Very fair. I was on the craft IPA hate train for a little bit before moving to ATL and experiencing some better ones. Creature Comforts has some really good ones, including their seasonals.
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Yeah the market trends are the biggest issue with IPA's. When half the taps in a beer pub are taken up by IPA's, it gets really tiring really quickly. Like yeah I've had IPA's I enjoyed but 70% of the time they're trash that takes up space for different, actually good beer.
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Nothing worse than going to a place that advertises a wide selection of beers and it's 19 indistinguishable IPAs and 1 lager.
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It’s not a real beer unless it’s unbearably bitter and 9%
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Hate IPAs. Used to live in Asheville and it was horrible. The grocery stores would have their "good" beer cooler filled with IPAs the local brewers shat out instead of some decent Belgian beer or the like. I don't want to drink a pine tree thanks.
At least they started making sour beers. Those cover a multitude of sins too but I at least felt like drinking one
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I buy one at work for $3 after not eating all day and i am good to go
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IPAs are disgusting and over priced. How am I supposed to have a drink problem and stop the shakes if I have to spend twice as much to get shitfaced.
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Ive had exactly one good IPA, and it tasted like apples, had a 9.5% ABV.
Outside of that, every other IPA I've had has ranged from terrible to just okay. The terrible IPAs being the most common, often tasting more like watered down vodka than beer.
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All alcoholic beverages taste like shit. Yes, some taste better than others, but ultimately they all taste like shit.
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meh, some IPA's are a good drunk to dollar ratio, but anyone saying they are the best tasting are dumbass hipsters
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I'd respect IPAcels more if they'd just admit they're only drinking them for the ABV and stop pretending they're actually good tasting.
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Literally me and my friends lol.
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I drink IPAs because I’m trying to lay off the whiskey but beer sucks, IPAs have enough bite that I can convince myself that it’s incredibly shitty liquor.
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I love IPA's because I like that they can get you drunk and I don't like liquor much, but they're definitely the bargain bin of craft brewing
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