American leftists abandon ideology to embrace NATO as the leading socialist movement of our time.

https://twitter.com/SocDoneLeft/status/1539338973482565633

Short version:

>Zizek's argument, in brief, is

>(1) Russia & Ukraine is analogous to the US & Iraq; both invasions are brutal and violate freedom

>(2) if Russia controlled Ukraine, regional leftists would shift the focus toward opposing Russian occupation and away from opposing capitalism

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Lowkey blaming Jews is the foundation of left wing politics:

The article is pretty good actually, though I don't think that Ukraine is really fighting for "global freedom" as he stated at the end. Especially since Zelensky and previous Ukrainian govs support Israel.


I believe he's reffering to the fact that the consequences are hugely consequential to global freedom, and in that if they lose Russia's imperialism will be emboldened and cause immeasurable harm. It's not about Ukraine's politics, it's about them being unjustly invaded.

America using military action is peak freedom and democracy chud:

we do not need more western imperialism to counter russian imperialism


no, NATO is part of Western sphere. Without NATO, its members are not going to oppose US anyway, because US is too powerful. Russia has its version of NATO, it is small because nobody wants to be friends with Russia. NATO has kept peace in Europe since WWII


USA doesn't need NATO for imperialism. Never even used NATO for imperialism. The only thing that makes country join NATO is enemy that only USA can protect from. Dissolve NATO and every RU neighbor will make bilateral alliance with USA, giving USA more power.

Which flag will you display modern man?:

I maintain that once Russia is Liberalised (tm) NATO should be dissovled in favour of a more general western alliance that can extend reach into the pacific and africa as well as just europe

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Ngl I love it when leftards go full based:

This twitter profile is the best example of why Americans shouldn't be allowed to talk about foreign affairs


You’re a vassal state for the US lol you should know your place


Americans know what they're talking about and should be allowed to continue speaking. Poles like yourself on the other hand are genetically destined to be stupid and shouldn't be allowed to talk at all, about anything, politics or not. You do realize Zizek is Slovenian, right?

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Already had my spergout over at stupidpol because of this but seeing self-avowed leftists not only defend but call for a stronger NATO is some of the most blackpilling shit I've seen in my life. Rightoids, however r-slurred they might be, at least don't pretend to be principled intellectuals and as such are less insufferable than most leftists.

:#marseyitsover:

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Americhads stay winning

:#marseypatriot:


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History just keeps ending :marseychefkiss:

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sure everbody knows youre on the way up brotha

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You know that principled people often compromise on their principles right?

Pretending you never have and never will go against your principles to any extent is a childlike fantasy afforded only to those shielded from actual conflict

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This is the rallying cry of someone who almost always compromises on their "principles."

"Yeah, I know technically owning 300 Funko Pops isn't anti-capitalist, but principled people often compromise on their principles. You've just been shielded from the actual conflict of being a Marvel fan with leftist views - you live in a childlike fantasy that allows you to just not buy the Funko Pops!"

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And yet you own an iPhone and participate in society, curious. No ethical consumption under capitalism!

20 year old leftists should not be allowed to speak or go outside until they have paid at least $100,000 in taxes

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Clearly a bad faith argument, do better.

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zoz

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zle

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zozzle

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:#marseykneel:

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Keep yourself safe

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They know that, they just support Russia.

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My dude, I never said or even implied that.

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I don't get what you're upset about then

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I'm upset that Zizek is a reactionary clown who earnestly believes the US further cementing their hegemony and expanding their imperial reach is somehow conductive to leftist and progressive politics. He frames this conflict as Ukraine fighting for "Global Freedom" when that couldn't possibly be further from the truth. They're fighting a war on the behalf of American interests with the promise of being integrated in the Western economic bloc. This has nothing to do with social values, democracy or freedom. It's a borgeouis war fought at the expense of the masses.

I'm a leftist, I'm not interested in keeping Capitalism and Liberalism alive. Therefore any hindrance or loss to American hegemony is a net positive to the world and presents further opportunities for leftists groups and movements to flourish.

American unipolarity is over, for better or worse only time will tell. But the US only has themselves to blame. They squandered their reign, spat on the rules and laws they imposed on others while demanding the utmost obedience and directly facilitated the meteoric rise of their rival, China, by moving all their production to the latter because the Capitalist class would rather sell their own country from under their feet than pay the proles their fair share. This isn't even to mention how disastrous American foreign policy has been for the past 60 years, not only for the world but for for Americans themselves.

I say let this rotten empire die so we can build something new and better in its place.

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still unemployed then?

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My brother in Christ, untangle yourself from that world salad. No one irl cares about "a loss to American hegemony". People just want to live a better life so would rather not be ruled by Putin.

The US is falling, sure, but it's more like the United Kingdom fell as opposed to Rome. You ain't gonna be building shit so stop cheering for collapse, it is unseemly.

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Most people might not care about these fancy terms and political theory but it directly affects their lives daily whether they like it or not. Capitalism is reaching a stage where it's beginning to cannibalize itself and if there isn't a strong leftist movement to rescue society from this collapse then we're genuinely screwed. In times like these is where actual, full-blown fascists come into power and I'm afraid that's where we're headed here in the West. It's like Chris Hedges said, "These are the good times, compared to what's coming next."

I know this shit sounds boring and that's because it is but you don't build a political movement around vibes and grill pill takes.

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United Kingdom fell as opposed to Rome

Rome took 800 years until it wasnt the greatest power in the mediterrainian anymore. And for another 500 of everbody calling himelf the one true successor, even the darn Turks. The French at least changed everything twice in 10 years (revolution, then Napoleon).

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You called my bluff I actually know 0 history

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Wrong.

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Leaders have to comprise because they're actually running something. Online "philosophers"/ideologues shouldn't have to compromise as they aren't actually in charge of anything but instead just trying to expand on their beliefs. But the fact is that he felt the need to abandon even part of his ideological base to explain current circumstances shows how utterly unworkable those principles are in real life.

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and somehow the crazy republicans make it into every ah so moderate law proposal

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Leftists like vaush outed themselves as CIA assets yet again

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That's giving him too much credit. The guy is just an r-slured vulture.

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jep, same. For Zizek it really started with corvid. Just trust the state, today were all big pharma. For Ukr theres l*eftypol.org, we'll hold the line. But in general I see no redeeming value in the internet anymore.

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Chud’s win again

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Lmao. Zizek is an anarcho-Natoist while Chomsky has declared death to America. What a timeline.

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Chomsky, like many leftoids, is at his core just a pathetic cuck and his ideology is about being the biggest and most pathetic cuckold possible

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Leftism is taking the β€œis there anything more cucked in the world than having a daughter?” copypasta and making everything in your life your daughter for other men to enjoy.

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but it just showed that he isnt and Zizek is. Whats even your problem? Hes a Lib in many details but in the great events he usually had pretty good takes. Or are you like hes not patriotic or something cause oh no.

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The leftist relationship with Russia is just a r*pe fantasy. Yes, it's kinda hot to think about being molested by a sexy communist empire, but if you ever ACTUALLY saw what being r*ped by Russia looks like you'd cry and run back to Daddy NATO who is at least kind enough to not tell you how stupid he thinks you are

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sure bro. Its not rly that I love Putin all that much. But history must roll on and man does it now. Theres nothing good for us in postponing the inevitable.

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Wtf. I remember when Chomsky was a warhawk.

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:#marseyzizek:

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*sniff*

And sho on...

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Oh wow, look, Zizek is saying something stupid and contradictory. Much drama.

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I maintain that once Russia is Liberalised (tm) NATO should be dissovled in favour of a more general western alliance that can extend reach into the pacific and africa as well as just europe

t. Gorbachev

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The purpose of NATO is to keep the Germans down, the Americans in, and the Russians out.

Churchill

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I hate to be neurodivergent, but Hastings Ismay said that not Churchill.

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Well, he should have said it darnit.

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Ismay

No, is june!

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good for him but at least he was eternally getting buck-broken by Roosevelt on Yalta.

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>Change for the better

>In russia

>Ever

lmao

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"Things were already really bad, but somehow they managed to get even worse." is the tl;dr to every era of Russian history.

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Old Russian joke:

Q: What was the second worst thing about the Fall of the Soviet Union?

A: Learning they lied to us about communism.

Q: And what was the worst thing?

A: Learning they told the truth about capitalism!

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that's very funny eurobro

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>"liberalised"

>Change for the better

Pick one, seems more like changing from bad to other kind of bad

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Too bad Russia never "liberalized".

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Yeah it’s more or less a feudal state again honestly

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Having this kind of "alliance" kinda implies there's an "enemy", doesn't it?

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zelensky has such an annoying face


Secured my spot as a top 100 most memorable rdrama poster

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Cope harder russophile

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I find the most annoying face on a fella is one that's not buried in my hot frickin butthole.

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He used to be hot.

Ε½iΕΎek on the other hand is very overhyped imo.

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He has the face of a manlet

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Anarchists hating the country with kibbutzes will never stop being funny to me.

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What do you mean that Anarchism has little to nothing in the social ideology department and therefore there's nothing stopping our heckin' cute and valid future communes from being chudmmunes.

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Another jour*o who won't put down his pen to pick up a sword that he urges everyone else to grab

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Zizek isn't a journ*list.

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Just as trustworthy and unjustifiably adored as one.

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He's fun to listen to and smarter about Ukraine than a lot of leftists.

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I actually have no idea what Zizek is known for other than having successfully turned pop philosophy into a comedy standup routine. His ability to string prepackaged philosophical "skits" together regardless of order of presentation is unparalleled.

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I stand corrected.

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>American

>Zizek

>Sniff

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Hes talking about socialism done left this braap hog rangeling bi strag

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Is that the CIA kid?

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This is what happens when a woman doesn't get fricked properly

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Lol I think the Twitter profile is an American but yeh I guess he is supporting Zizek's idea.

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A leftist actually has a non-r-slurred take on NATO and of course many are sperging out at him lol.

One of the reasons the far-left are irrelevant today is because they are deranged and have many deranged and outdated views on geopolitics which as much as they deny it, comes from an inherent pro-Russia bias they have left over from the cold war. There's nothing wrong with Eastern European countries joining an alliance against Russia, a country which is an expansionist right wing dictatorship with a history of occupying them. There's nothing wrong with US interests and US dominance being strengthened if it makes Europe a safer and better place.

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Darn, I wonder why Eastern Euros and Ukrainians in particular don't like Russoids

:#marseythonk:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

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Maybe we're just not American and European and understand they are much more dangerous to the rest of the World than Russia.

If you can understand why Eastern Europe dislikes Russia, you should understand why Latin America and specially Africa prefer it.

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Latin America deserved it and Africa was the French doing French shit

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Your empire is dying and soon we will tear it to pieces with our teeth.

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:#marseyazov2:

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American leftists abandon ideology

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Do people in the real world give a shit about zizek?

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There is no real world.

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Every leftoid philisopher or thinker is a p-dophile s*x pervert hobo.

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:#retardedchildren:

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Friendly reminder the only reason we care about Ukraine is oil/energy. The president before Zelenskyy was very friendly with Putin and allowed them cheap fees on the pipelines to the EU. When Zelenskyy moved in, American companies started investing hundreds of millions for operations in Ukraine. Putin obviously didn't like the implications of that

Some things never change, and wars being created over oil is one of them

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None of this is true. Poroshenko was far more hardline than Zelensky has ever been and Zelensky himself was initially elected on a pseudo-peace platform as a compromise between the remaining east and west before being forced to cuck out of that by his security agencies and other internal powers.

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Amazingly wrong comment in nearly every word, lmao. Oil/energy stuff got worse due to self-inflicted shit not actually related to the war. Zelensky was actually elected on the promise of removing r-slurred russophobia for its own sake of preceding Poroshenko (he didn't follow through, but that's a different story), Ukrainian pipelines have not been the primary gas route for quite a while, and I don't think they're used for oil at all anymore, and nobody was investing hundreds of millions of dollars in Ukraine - local oligarch clans would murder anyone who tried to move in. Zelensky himself is from Kolomoyskiy clan (Dnepropetrovsk).

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This is why we need mandatory e cars

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Zizek’s been washed for a while now, he fully rolled over on covid shit

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:#marseyhesright:

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:marseyzizek: Zizek is omegabased and i will always support him

Dont think its suprising for him to say this but i do think its funny to see these twitter communists and whatnot kind of betray a lot of what theyve been saying the moment theyre faced with a tiny bit of reality

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:marseyshrug: Ukraine is a corrupt shitpile that western elites use for money laundering amongst themselves. Government and industry there yielded no benefit too the citizens, leaving them the poorest people in Europe despite having strong oil and agricultural sectors, and warm-water sea ports. Russian minorities in the east that didn't want too be a part of it were legitimately being oppressed by the government. And after the non-stop psyops of the past six months, no one can't trust a single thing the Ukrainian government says, or a single thing that any western country says about Ukraine.

Russia is installing new management. There isn't a legitimate argument for why Ukraine belongs in the sphere of western influence in the face of such mismanagement. It is a grand demonstration of how corrupt and self-serving western elites have become, and how the American left has morphed too become the praetorian guard of the dominant elite. Even radical elements are baying for the opportunity too be formally recognized as militias for the establishment Democratic party.

trans lives matter

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but russia is way more of a poorly managed cow for their elites to milk

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😴😴

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This shit has become almost as complicated as Balkan politics.

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I enjoy the sneed from every direction

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Going to blow some people's minds here but Zizek is not actually a communist and has run for office in Slovenia's center-left party

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Implying their ideology has ever been about anything other than power

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His argument completely ignores eastern ukraines right to self determination, rights to protect their language, to stop Western Ukraines cultural genocide against the East. 8+ years of bombings and 15k people dead, mostly ethnic Russians. Not even bringing up Natos role in imperialism etc etc. Very strange. There’s also no real arguments why a Russia-China alliance means fascism

Completely a-historic and anti-materialist.

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:#marseysylveon:

Snapshots:

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