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Unironic posting: I think China might still end up dominating

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1269087.shtml - mongolia natural gas storage facility is live now.

https://www.voanews.com/a/amid-covid-battle-china-pledges-to-bolster-economies-of-4-nations-including-russia/6632724.html - China states it will bolster the economies of India, Russia, Brazil, and South Africa.

https://www.russia-briefing.com/news/russia-mongolia-trade-up-30-looking-to-expand.html/ - Russia Mongolia trade up 30% in 2021

The fact remains that for China to dominate it's primary needs are a poorer sub group to take care of it's elderly population, access to more women for marriages, and access to a large deposit of raw resources.

Of these China has enough poor people who can be forced to take care of the old + is now rich enough that it can import poor people from abroad to take care of it's people.

In case of access to more women China has access to Mongolian and Russian populations of Women now. As China keeps getting richer they can pretty much entice women from these regions to marry them due to their wealth.

Large deposit of raw resources. East Russia and SIberia.

In addition is the fact that the European economy after coming into conflict with Russia and sanctioning it will fall into stagnation for another decade due to complete dependency on Russia for oil supplies earlier. Germany is hit pretty hard by it and as inflation rises in central Europe all countries suffer due to being pegged to the Euro. Russia is still very likely to also be worse off than it was before. Simply due to the number of soldiers it loses in the ongoing war.

With Europe stagnant and stuck in place and Russia it's equivalent counterpart, there remains the issue of the US and China. Of these the US has not gained anything new meanwhile China has gained an entire resource market to itself at a discounted price in Russia.

On top of this there is far more political instability in the US than there is in China.

If the only thing you are betting on is that China will grow old first, then you are going to likely lose control. China already dominates it's region to it's North. Creating a territory large enough to rule the world.

China + Russia + Mongolia Area = 28.621 Sq. Km ( Larger than the entirely of North America)

That's a big enough territory to provide all the required resource needs of the people even if they were to cut themselves off from the world.

There is the additional problem that Russia, Mongolia, and China move in sync with each other far more greatly than the western nations currently do when it comes to global politics. Which means that you are fighting against a more cohesive political force who is also possessing a higher population and larger land area. The only metrics they are losing out on are a far faster aging population and lower individual wealth.

Now the first is the biggest threat, but by the time it's impact actually damages the East they are in a position to possibly solve the problem altogether by then. China already has a robot density of 246 per 10,000 workers in 2020. That's 2.46% of the workforce that it has already accounted for. China's population by fastest estimates is expected to halve by as soon as 2050. (https://futurism.com/the-byte/china-population-half-30-years). Which means they ought to preferably at least have a robot density of 5,000 per 10,000 workers to be able to get net positive constant growth in the next thirty years. Currently their robot density grows by around 15-20% every year, easily more than enough to cover the necessary needs in the next 30 years.

Now that the population collapse risk has been debunked, we move on to the individual wealth issue. Here you must realize one thing, for a nation to have power on the global stage, individual citizen wealth and income is not half as important as the total income/ GDP of the nation as a whole. In this sphere there is a high chance China will cross the US as it is.

The biggest issue in current year is that China is already set deep enough within the supply chain that it is impossible to completely collapse it, the only thing that can be done is to slow down it's growth, maybe even try to push to stagnate it. However, as of now the US is only capable of doing so by shooting itself in the foot as most of it's factories and construction work is outsourced. It would take at least a decade for the US to fully wrap up the China outsourcing experiment and shift all production to other regions of the world.

Even if such an event were to transpire, China would still have a market in the developing world that is constantly vying for more resources. On top of that China has a large enough internal market to keep growing for decades to come if it chose to focus only internally. China still has alot to catch up to which makes the journey have a blueprint it can follow. The US has no such luxury. This is primarily due to the fact that the US has already reached the cutting edge in terms of technologies developed, the only time that the US progresses is when it goes out of it's way to create something new to add to it's GDP.

As of now that something new is Space Tech, but it would still be decades if not a century before the Space industry is finally fully booming.

The best advantage that the US has is that it can create new allies by focusing on individual nations and helping them speedrun development on the global stage as it did with the Asian tiger economies.

However, turning Vietnam into a new strong ally and turning the middle east western, will that be enough to balance out a China that is now combing it's might with Russia and Mongolia in a very well integrated manner?

It is now impossible to completely collapse Russia. The only thing that can be done is to leave it moderately poor for the decades to come, but even in such a state it continues to supply and provide for the Chinese people.

Europe is going to likely suffer a lost decade this time. No helping it. All of it's economic plans destabilized the moment it went into conflict with Russia.

The US while stable has shown zero space to grow any further this decade, instead falling into internal turmoil as inflation keeps hitting and the political shitshows become worse over time.

There might be a genuine risk that there won't be a multipolar world, just a duo polar one with China as one axis, and the US as the other.

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When you think about it, it's absolutely hilarious burgers created their eventual successors because they wanted to save a few bucks on funko pops

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I don't think China will replace the US. I think they will just continue to dominate Central, North, and parts of east asia. Which is a large enough territory to finally create a duo polar world.

I like to imagine at the end of the China US conflict we will finally have the single world government/ cultural system merge after the cultural wars are over.

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Dramaphobic take. The culture Wars will never end.

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wrong but also right in a way. The current culture wars will end. The future culture wars will be a resplit in the won segment. Like what happened with Europe as an extension of the West trying to split off from the anglosphere.

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I see us going in the way of that one movie where Terry Crews is the president but everything is just a psyop that china runs and streams live to their citizens (3/4's of the world) so they have free entertainment

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Meh, they can't support much growth or improvements without those burger dollars.

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Disagree. You have no idea how much of a joke everything in China is. If they spent even half the effort on real substantial changes that they do on trying to put on a show and look good to the outside world, then they'd have a chance at dominating.

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wrong. They literally just set up their space station this year. You can't pull that off on a larp. You have sadly consumed too much western media. Stop looking at the wishes, start looking at the direct results and basing your opinion on that.

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I might be one of the only dramatards that lived in China for an extended period of time so I don't need media to tell me what it's like. I'm not saying that they haven't accomplished anything at all, but if you look at the grand total of China's most ambitious projects like OBOR you will realize much of it is doomed to fail.

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OBOR was surprisingly mediocre I agree. On the other hand you gotta tell me what exactly do you mean by failure.

Will China cross the US in nominal GDP - 50/50 chance

Will China become the second most powerful nation in the world and retain that position at least for this century? Yes

Is China likely to expand it's geographical territories further in this decade - 60% chance yes

Is China going to catch up to the cutting edge tech from the west? No, but even maxing out at a 20 year gap is huge gains

Is China going to be the master of it's own regional area? Absolutely. China has a firm grip on all of it's direct neighbors.

Is China going to continue economically growing? Yes

Is China going to manage to overcome the population collapse scenario - 70% failure rate risk

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>Will China cross the US in nominal GDP - 50/50 chance

>Is China going to continue economically growing? Yes

Yeah maybe. The question is, if they do surpass the U.S. in terms of GDP, how long will it remain that way? The issue with China's GDP is that it's all down to quantity over quality for them. When they have leaders put top-down pressure on municipalities to build redundant infrastructure which probably will never be occupied or used just to inflate GDP stats then that raises the question of whether or not there's any real benefit for their GDP being higher on paper.

>Will China become the second most powerful nation in the world and retain that position at least for this century? Yes

They're arguably already there but I don't believe they will hold that position for anywhere close to a century. It might not even be more than a few decades before widescale economic depression impacts the country.

>Is China likely to expand it's geographical territories further in this decade - 60% chance yes

There's a big difference between making some artificial island in the South China Sea and trying to take Taiwan or disputed borderlands with India. The former is easy to do but the latter will have real negative consequences for China. The attempts to debt trap their way into new ports and other infrastructure belonging to OBOR participants is going to backfire. They're underestimating other nations' desires for territorial integrity (not to mention the political instability in a lot of these countries)

>Is China going to be the master of it's own regional area? Absolutely. China has a firm grip on all of it's direct neighbors.

I don't think China is the master of its own regional area since a lot of its neighbors (India, Vietnam, the Philippines, Japan, and South Korea) have serious disputes with it or otherwise see the U.S. as a better ally. Others are sometimes allies but can also present themselves as threats at other times (Russia). Terrorist threats remain in Afghanistan and Pakistan which could potentially bring China into a war they don't want to fight.

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Yeah maybe. The question is, if they do surpass the U.S. in terms of GDP, how long will it remain that way? The issue with China's GDP is that it's all down to quantity over quality for them. When they have leaders put top-down pressure on municipalities to build redundant infrastructure which probably will never be occupied or used just to inflate GDP stats then that raises the question of whether or not there's any real benefit for their GDP being higher on paper.

true but again even if they catch up to having a level of total development and individual quality of life 10 years behind the US at constant rates, that still places them as far ahead of the US long term. They don't even need to surpass US tech or development, just balance out the keep up to this level and population numbers. However as their population declines there is a real chance their GDP again goes below the US by 2040 to 2050.

They're arguably already there but I don't believe they will hold that position for anywhere close to a century. It might not even be more than a few decades before widescale economic depression impacts the country.

Disagree. European Union is stagnant this decade. China is not. After that too it could easily maintain a constant growth rate of 1% per annum at least. What makes you think they would fall directly into economic depression when even with zero covid their economicgrowth rate is in the positive?

By taking land I was thinking more like Mongolia or Gilgit Baltistan or Eastern Russia. Mongolia or Gilgit Baltistan can be taken over with limited negative consequences.

Russia and China are full time buddy buddy now because Russia has literally nowhere else to go to now. China has good amount of influence in central Asia and North Asia. I would say that is it's own regional area it's just that Asia is so big we don't really notice.

Only time it has suffered Pakistani terrorism was within Pakistan itself so far. Plus last time terrorism became a problem they completely changed Xinjiang culture by force. These things they know to solve in their own ways.

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>What makes you think they would fall directly into economic depression when even with zero covid their economicgrowth rate is in the positive?

Chinese official numbers on economic growth shouldn't be trusted because they always lie about and inflate them (even when ignoring the normal steps taken to inflate GDP through policy). The zero-covid policies have been economically devastating for China but I really don't know whether or not it's enough to push them over the edge in the near future. What might happen is that more and more foreign firms realize that CCP authoritarian measures will always pose a threat to their supply chains if they keep doing business with Chinese companies, so they may start to seek out similar companies in other countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines, or India instead. This could have a domino effect that leads to economic depression in China.

It could happen a lot of different ways but the only thing you need to ask yourself is this: Is China really able to exert top-down controls on their economy through central planning and indefinitely maintain real growth while avoiding depression and disaster? If the answer is "yes", then they would be accomplishing something that no other country or group of experts ever has. If the answer is "no", then we have to understand much of China's rise as being the result of repealing oppressive anti-market policies back under Deng Xiaoping and they've arguably been riding that wave ever since, but it won't last forever. Some interesting things to keep track of include the flight of foreign direct investment, Chinese restrictions on other capital flight (and general economic freedom of citizens), widespread corruption, and bubbles formed by bad policy which then need to be carefully deflated through central planning or they'll threaten to wreck the entire economy(see China's response to the Evergrande issue), and the demographic issues like you said.

I don't believe that any group of technocrats will be good enough to adequately institute central planning without consequences, and the fact that China has not had a serious depression since its opening up just means that whatever is coming will hit them way harder than recent recessions in the Western world.

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>so they may start to seek out similar companies in other countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines, or India instead

Always the same r-slurred take. Foreign firms will always go where the labour is cheapest and the technology is best. And that's China.

>I don't believe that any group of technocrats will be good enough to adequately institute central planning without consequences, and the fact that China has not had a serious depression since its opening up just means that whatever is coming will hit them way harder than recent recessions in the Western world.

Boring cope. The Xi AGI in charge of central planning will never fail. :#marppyenraged:

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https://ceoworld.biz/2019/02/18/worlds-top-10-countries-for-cheap-manufacturing-2019/

Actually India and Vietnam are right behind China in this category.

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I like your second para. The bad policy needing careful deflation thing applies to the US too which is important context because those are the two primary powers competing with each other. Agree with rest of what you said. Interesting point about riding the wave of reverse dong.

Even western experts agree that while inflated Chinese economic numbers are still always on the up and up positive side of things. Their fertility rate numbers might be far more devastating however than officially stated.

don't believe that any group of technocrats will be good enough to adequately institute central planning without consequences

the consequence is at times entire states in China or entire regions see collapse. Guangdong right now for example. The issue however is that unlike western mindset which places far greater value on the individual, China just keeps on rolling with the suffering. As long as they can push all suffering to an individual state, the rest of the people are fine with it. It's a different mindset.

and the fact that China has not had a serious depression since its opening up just means that whatever is coming will hit them way harder than recent recessions in the Western world.

How do you conclude this?

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It's like what happens to forests when they don't undergo controlled burns. There may be a longer period of time between fires, but when the next forest fire inevitably comes it will be far larger and more devastating. For recessions/depressions it's the same concept. There are certain factors and bad practices which may not destabilize things too much when the economy is strong, but when the economy is weakened a little they can amplify the impact.

Consider the factors that led to and/or worsened the Great Recession in the U.S.:

For us, it was bad government policy (including keeping interest rates artificially low) instituted in order to help more people get loans for houses they couldn't really afford to pay back. It was the pressure on the credit rating agencies to keep the ratings of certain financial products higher than they should have been. It was the invention and failure to predict the consequence of new types of derivatives which hadn't existed until recently. Way too many people and institutions were overleveraged (again, low interest rates encouraged this) as well.

Now think about all of the ways the Chinese government tries to micromanage their economy. When they do things like artificially lower the Renminbi, do you think they will be knowledgeable about any and all potential destabilizing factors that could result from that? To me it seems like they are sometimes able to react well but it's almost too late. They shouldn't have waited until one of their largest property developers was on the verge of collapse to consider doing something about the real estate bubble. When other factors like sanctions, natural disaster, foreign wars, and a pandemic are introduced, it gives them even less room to maneuver when they try to respond to stuff like this.

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You had a chance to not be completely worthless, but it looks like you threw it away. At least you're consistent.

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All them words won't bring your pa back.

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's absolutely hilarious burgers created their eventual successors because they wanted to save a few bucks on funko pops

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Everything is a JOKE here though. Think of tesla. Barely a company. It's just lies and overhype built on a cult of personality. Tesla is in the SnP500, it is intrinsically linked in our western way of life. Too big to fail at this point. Tesla isn't the onlyh company that's flimsy, hes just the most blantant. The entire economy here is based on con men and the promises of the future.

You can absolutley point at failures china has, but with the amount of tax payer subsidies we pay to these companies they ARE us. They are the culture, the science etc, and it's all based on lies.


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SpaceX though. Rockets go up.

Dall E 2 for newest AI stuff

Not all lies. Tesla yearly output is still going up. Their main failure is that they were heavy overvalued in relation to total output years ago. Even in 2021 their overall Tesla sales were still going up not down. Plus their gigafactories did end up being productive.

Apple also is leading in creating luxury laptops. Highly overpriced like the military equipment. Top performance for twice the cost of good performance without the 2x upgrade.

Facebook is expanding into META, it has it's own virtual world app that makes no sense to me, but over time they will probably keep expanding.

Microsoft also keeps delivering new products and ideas, same for Alphabet.

Nvidea also keeps getting a new powerful Graphics card every two years right now which is like a 30-40% upgrade over previous iteration each time.

The issue is you feel like you are in a lull because most of your tech boom will be likely coming at the end stage of this decade or the middle of the next as most of your next gen technologies are in their infancy stage of production and release.

Autonomous robots go up, so does green tech, so does AI, so does lab grown meats and indoors farming. The world goes brrr

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you're fricking bananas if you think I'm reading all that, take my downvote and shut up idiot

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Aggressively r-slurred nonsense. As usual, lol.

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wrong. You live next to a country that is 20 times your size and agree with and do everything they tell you to do. There is a clear master servant relationship in that.

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stop coping. Russia China power imbalance is too great for it to be a relationship of equals. Unlike North Korea however Russia is developed enough that China would actually benefit from expanding/ exerting control in the region. Also due to international sanctions Russia is now economically completely dependent on China. If Russia China trade stops Russia collapses, meanwhile China has to now pay normal prices for oil. One country is now clearly an extension of the other.

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Show me one point in everything i said that's incorrect.

edit: Russia’s Far Eastern territories are thinly populated, with only six million persons living East of Irkutsk, a 25 percent drop since 2000. China has a significant historical and resource incentive to reclaim the territories north of the Amur and Ussuri Rivers, ceded by the Manchu Empire to Russia in 1860. Russian weakness in the Far East could lead to a cascade of Chinese interventions into Mongolia, as well as in the Buryat and Sakha territories. ( https://nationalinterest.org/feature/breaking-it%E2%80%99s-time-prepare-russia%E2%80%99s-disintegration-203196 )

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Show me one point in everything i said that's incorrect.

You implied True Korea is weak and undeveloped and not an equal power to China. Your whole opinion is invalid.

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Look ,it takes 200 nukes to kill the world, after that everything else is a peepee measuring contest. USSR had all those nukes too. Still dissolved didn't it.

China is also in a position to possibly take over gilgit baltistan region of Pakistan as payment for loans given. Which would be low key hilarious.

So there are three primary regions for China to expand into. Gilgit Baltistan in Pakistan, Eartern Russia, and Mongolia.

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Nobody is expanding into any bit of Russian clay, Crimea included, in any remotely foreseeable future. Why? See the pic above.

Either you're 15 or you need to take your pills.

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if your country is gray youre GAY (i am :marseyhomofascist:)

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Cope harder.

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Seethe amerimutt

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I wish I was coping. The problem is westoids only get pro westoid news.

China and the US are the only 10 trillion plus GDP's in the world today.

Of these China is still growing even at the end of the world and has not hit negative rates as of now.

European Union which was meant to be the third axis, has instead now been hit with a decade of likely stagnation with the conflict with Russia. China on the other hand does not feel any hit from this conflict due to not being directly involved yet still gets access to cheaper resources now.

The US on the other hand has to deal with the global oil market prices which have continued to rise due to the Russia Ukraine war.

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>I wish I was coping. The problem is westoids only get pro westoid news.

It's more accurate to say that westoids almost exclusively get westoid news. The problem with taking any stance on this kind of issue is that China is still something of a black box to anyone from outside of China, thanks to some fairly steep cultural and linguistic barriers. This is compounded by a culture of secrecy and reflexive deception inherited from the communists, combined with a culture that places a great deal of value on saving face. Contrast this with the western predilection for rewarding those who find and trumpet to the high heavens (socially acceptable) faults within their societies.

I don't think anyone who has been paying attention will dispute that the west has developed serious faults, but I think it's premature to call this for China, since we don't have an understanding of the faults within and hurdles that may block their ascendency. It is also worth remembering that this isn't the first time an oriental nation was supposed to rise up and challenge US hegemony, according to Blade Runner a good chunk of the planet should be speaking Japanese by now.

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See, I come from India, am a hybrid cultural animal, so I kinda have a better understanding of the east than you do. Like a language translator.

The thing with Japan actually supports my point of view. China has already gotten way further than Japan did when it was competing with the US. Sure there is a chance China loses, but at the same time there is also a greater chance than Japan of China winning.

My point is I think it is a real possibility that China could win in it's part of the world and take half the world with it. Plus historically outside of two centuries, China was the greatest and richest empire in the world historically.

It's final real challenge is to secure fresh blood in it's aging population.

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>See, I come from India, am a hybrid cultural animal, so I kinda have a better understanding of the east than you do. Like a language translator.

I was born and raised somewhere a lot further east than you. Being Indian gives you no special understanding of China, or anywhere outside of the Indian subcontinent, which is very much its own separate beast from south east and east asian cultures.

>My point is I think it is a real possibility that China could win in it's part of the world and take half the world with it

It might, it might not. China has had an easy go of it so far, with little genuine resistance to its runaway growth, blatant theft of ideas and attempts to expand its influence abroad. These are the good times for China right now and will not last forever.

It also doesn't help that the Chinese have very little to offer beyond money and resources to those they want to coax into their sphere, which is entirely in keeping with the frankly idiotic "middle kingdom" concept of paying everyone around you protection money until one group of barbarians becomes strong enough to invade and make themselves the new "Chinese" emperors. Mainland Chinese culture is just flat out inferior to every other culture in Asia, it's just so incredibly crass and vulgar, no sane individual would want to assimilate anything from it. Say what you will about the Americans, but rock and roll, blue jeans and coca cola were things that people from other cultures would actually want.

Play me out longpostbot.

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>Mainland Chinese culture is just flat out inferior to every other culture in Asia, it's just so incredibly crass and vulgar, no sane individual would want to assimilate anything from it. Say what you will about the Americans, but rock and roll, blue jeans and coca cola were things that people from other cultures would actually want.

Seethe and die:#marseyxi:

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OUT!

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idiotic "middle kingdom" concept

seems to be working for the moment plus there was a gap of centuries between invasions.

>little genuine resistance to its runaway growth

It's been receiving resistance for half a decade plus now.

You are South Korean aren't ya?

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GigaLARP.

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China also has to deal with oil prices. Russia has plenty of other markets besides the West.

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China is getting discounted oil from Russia

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Like heck they are. Russians got plenty of other people who would buy their oil.

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Shut it down!

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Population pyramid says no

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already mentioned. Even if their population halves in 30 years, they still have more people than the US.

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Who mops up the old person shit and brings the elderly Pooh's their meds?

A society of geriatrics with no young people to do any work but keep pace with nursing homes. Not a problem faced by the west.

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immigrants from Nigeria and Mongolia duh.

Look, if Japan can overcome that problem with robotics and automation, then so can China.

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Now that's a winning idea!

We all know it's concentration camps and forced euthanasia, childish tankie. I say go right ahead, btw, praxis for those c*nts

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I know. They already claimed the Uygher. I seriously wonder which people they are going to exterminate next? They obviously have a purity test ideal deep rooted in their culture.

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Old useless c*nts. Turn em into food.

I'm on board, be a good spin off show to keep an eye on

Lots and Lotsa good data too, Fauci paying for elderly unit 721

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Soylent green!

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Check out their demographics and report back to me chief it's way worse than you think.

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Already mentioned population expected to halve in 30 years. But as long as they can automate faster they will still be ahead and developing their economy.

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So is it worth it to learn Mandarin? I've been wanting to learn another language so Euro's can't dunk on me for being monolingual. Spanish seems like it would be easier and maybe have more local use (if you ignore the fact that I am a nerodivergent who talks to no one). But Mandarin might open up a huge section of people and be advantageous if China grows into a dominate superpower. Or completely useless if it collapses.

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If you don't live there, it's totally pointless to learn.

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The issue with embracing Chinese culture is that no matter how fluent your mandarin, in eastern cultures you will always be treated as an outsider. So there is no real point except to seem unique.

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Yea I've heard that. I figured it might give me access to a parallel internet world, but really doesn't seem worth the effort.

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Same conclusion on my end

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the chinx would literally dissolve in weeks if amerikkka stopped protecting their trade routes

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America would literally dissolve in weeks too if America stopped protecting their trade routes. Mutually assured destruction scenarios are meaningless.

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no kek

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Israel bros... I don't feel so good

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Hail Israel!

Hail Satan!

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why you gotta embarrass him. He clearly does not have real debating experience.

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might?

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yes might. US is still leading in space tech and quite possibly AI. Those are the two primary defining technologies of the 21st century. If the US manages to research and develop the space mining industry before China then it has practically won the century. The US is also still leading in military tech. China cannot truly dominate until the point where it has fully caught up in technological creations and begins to create the cutting edge and driving it further on it's own which has not occurred yet. Until then China is just a consumer. A competent consumer sure, but still just a consumer.

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china has made leaps and bounds in both the ai and space sectors, the chang'e 5 mission brought back the first lunar samples in more than 4 decades, their chip industry is rapidly modernizing, they're one of the most progessive and free countries in the world, they're pumping trillions into their infastructure, their education system is top-notch.

meanwhile, america just outlawed arbotion and their last two presidents have been senile old guys who have failed to change the status quo.

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first lunar samples in more than 4 decades. They just caught up to something that was already done 4 decades ago.

Their chip industry last I checked was still having trouble with mass producing any of the high end chips. I think 11 nm standard was the last one they got good at mass producing.

they're one of the most progessive and free countries in the world

wut?

they're pumping trillions into their infastructure, their education system is top-notch.

the same infra that in multiple states is costing them more than the money it's making. Examples - metro transits in smaller states, housing development projects that are completely empty decades later.

meanwhile, america just outlawed arbotion and their last two presidents have been senile old guys.

true. That is worrisome. However look on the bright side. There are no more available senile old men to run for president after that.

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Their chip industry last I checked was still having trouble with mass producing any of the high end chips

this is because western sanctions placed on china have crippled their developtment, now that the indigenous chinese industry has gotten on its legs, they're racing up to the current leaders.

the same infra that in multiple states is costing them more than the money it's making

earning a loss on infrastructure is better than infrastructure which is killing thousands of people each year.

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They can't be crippled and racing up at the same time. Until last year atleast they were still crippled on the high end stuff. I give it till 2030.

How is infrastructure killing thousands a year? Economics says your statement is incorrect. The country that cares the most about it's citizens to the point of losing GDP never wins. Europe is the best country for caring for the average citizen, yet it's not leading the world is it now.

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What a beautiful post. Tears in my eyes that rDrama degenerates can produce something worth reading occasionally.:#marseychefkiss:

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