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EFFORTPOST I've claimed Mt. Marcy :marseysherpa: in honour of the WPD cat

https://i.imgur.com/gDQcR8E.png < me on day 3 of 8 hours of fricking BOULDERING with a 45 lb pack a day to get this stupid flag on the summit

Some info: yes Mt. Marcy is a real mountain lol. when I've told some of you about it you've gone "wtf is that real" :marseyxd: but it's actually the highest point in the Adirondacks/NY in general https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Marcy

I made the flag emblem with my cricut and I used my serger to size down a cheap truth and reconciliation flag to fit on a stick :marseyrake: . If I had my druthers it would be ironed but it seemed like a lot of work at the summit of a mountain :marseyantiwork2:

Since this is /h/outdoor and I did genuinely the most arduous horrible journey of my life I am going to hope I can do enough :marseywords: under expands to get effortpost status bc wow I was unprepared and I need to be compensated in some way for this terrible decision I made entirely of my own volition

Day 0.5

Started off the journey canoeing out to a campsite at Saranac Lake so we'd be able to get out to get to Marcy quick the next morning :marseyclueless: https://i.imgur.com/eRO5loA.png calm waters, nice warm day, perfect for a short hour long paddle

got a pretty nice island campsite, came with a big rock to put your stuff on https://i.imgur.com/PqyTKya.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/1hdozUF.jpeg canoe camping is great because you can just load things up heavy af and not have to worry about carrying any of it :marseysatisfied: was a cozy start to the trip https://i.imgur.com/oigWeH3.png surely it can only get nicer from here!

Day 1

Woke up bright and early to start the day! But what's this... https://i.imgur.com/74LPyPC.png the fog has rolled in and the horizon has disappeared. That's okay :marseyclueless: just retrace our steps :marseyclueless: it will be easy and we'll be back to the truck quick :marseyclueless:

moments like these really make you understand why neighbors thought they could just tip over the edge of the earth

It took about 2 hours with 0 visibility navigating around islands that would only appear when we got really close to them, but we managed to get to land, loaded up the truck, consolidated the packs to bring JUST what we needed to get through the next few days of backpacking. It's just hiking+camping, so we felt pretty confident that our 45 lb packs would be fine. People who need expensive ultralight gear, lmfao, kitties, imagine spending thousands to have a light pack when you could just GIT GUD and be strong :marseyclueless: :marseyclueless: :marseyclueless: !fitness knows where this is going. Now that we were set up with the essentials we got on our way :marseydance: ....

...to spend $75 on parking alone :marseyflushzoom: they also made us get a bear barrel because bear hangs are illegal there :drafts: it's the northeast, if a bear comes for your peanut butter just tell him polar bears go way harder than him and he doesn't deserve any lil treats and he'll run away crying. We purchased our barrel that totally fit all of our food :marseyglancing: and set off!

The first day we did this portion of the trip in red https://i.imgur.com/LY1DAw2.png The first hour or so took us 2.5 miles to Marcy Brook. Nice dirt path, mostly flat, just a tiny bit uphill, boy this trip is going to be great! https://i.imgur.com/64M2vqS.png this is Marcy Dam :marseybeaver: so beautiful to see the mountains in the distance, the trees changing

Hm, there's campsites here, but if we go another half a mile, it'll be more secluded, and we'll be even closer to where we gotta go! What's another half a mile when we're already making such great time? :marseyclueless:

I can't begin to explain to you how fricking bad of a decision this route was. It immediately switches from flat, dirt paths to climbing over gigantic rocks. https://i.imgur.com/PY8g2Kg.png this is about the nicest that the path got, which as anyone who backpacks knows, this still sucks butt when you have a big pack and 4 days to go where you can't risk twisting an ankle. It got much worse than that but I had to lock in and didn't take pics unfortunately. Hiking when your knee is coming up to your chin to clamber over rocks is already tiring, but do this with a 45 lb pack as a 120 lb girl and it becomes a nightmare very quickly. I kept getting stuck in positions where I'd have to get on my hand and knees and pull myself up over rocks that were nearly as tall as me, and half the time my hiking companion would have to lift the pack as I stood because I couldn't stand up under the weight of it after 8 hours of pushing myself til my heartrate was hitting 180 :marseyflushzoomzoom: GET A SECOND JOB IDC JUST BUY THE ULTRALIGHT SHIT IF UR A LITTLE GIRL TRYING TO DO THIS

Occasionally, there would be short breaks with very beautiful views that my camera cannot adequately portray https://i.imgur.com/Ees9eVg.jpeg the feeling of being very small in these giant gorges is incredible https://i.imgur.com/s0X3LVq.jpeg

After literally 8 hours straight of hauling myself up rocks, sliding off rocks taller than me where I was dropping down feet after that, getting stuck in between :marseysweating: (I was seeing even shorter azn women come back the direction toward me with their dogs, b-word how the heck did you do that these rocks are 6 feet tall, there was 0 way I could've gone back through this path), doing the thing where you climb up cliff faces with your back wedged against them and shimmy up with your legs (chimneying?) we were no closer to finding a camp site. Morale was at an all time low. We were passing people, doing the wealthy mayo sport acknowledgements "hows it going" "you too" where you don't even really hear each other, you're just saying stuff to let each other know you're normal. Finally one asked "hows it going" and in my moment of personal 9/11 I was like "really bad actually we've been going nonstop all day I'm exhausted but there's 0 campsites and infinite giant boulders" and they indicated there were secret ones back a ways since the maps you buy at the lodge don't have campsites just lean-tos and they were all taken :marseyschizotwitch: god bless those people

It was pitch dark by the time we found a spot to set up for the night even though we started at 6 AM. We brought a pot to put on the jetboil to fry up some spam for our dinners but it wasn't compatible :marseygunshotsuicide: so we just put wet soft spam in with knorr pasta packets and boiled em with the little jet boil thing made for boiling water https://i.imgur.com/s7WAtZ8.jpeg , and that doesn't sound especially good but after that day this was literally ambrosia. After wondering for the past 4 hours if we were going to find a spot at all, my mind was too wired to fall asleep. Thank god for benadryl :benadryl: :snorecat:

Day 2

It could only get easier from there. Not even a :marseyclueless: moment, it really only could. It wasn't easy but anything compared to that first day was nice

We did this part in yellow https://i.imgur.com/LY1DAw2.png ending up at the Feldspar campsite by mid day.

The day started off with a pretty light hike https://i.imgur.com/RRhjOnj.jpeg it wasn't so much a ton of climbing as much as just trying to keep your feet as dry as possible when you have to ford these large river sections

It was my first time crossing a rope bridge! https://i.imgur.com/8aOdVAL.jpeg it was pretty neat, but my pack got readjusted so it was even heavier that day, and I had to climb a big rock to get up to it and embarrassingly got stuck in front of a bunch of gay dudes lmao I had to take the pack off to stand up :marseypaperbag: . I can squat 200 but turns out starting flat on ur belly after you've been gassed for hours is a whole other game :marseydoomer:

There was still a lot of climbing over large rocks, but they were only like waist high instead of chin high. https://i.imgur.com/zijRs5L.png there were a couple "what the frick" moments too though. I think this image actually represents the whole trip very well

We got into camp relatively early that day since there was still light out and it was nice for a couple hours til some randos came and set their tent up literally 5 feet away lmao https://i.imgur.com/aPO5Vmw.png wtf is with people :marseyxd: the northeast has so many people that you climb boulders nonstop for 2 days and you still gotta listen to people talk about what growing up in a jewish home was like well into the night :marseypop2: on a good day, in solitude, it's impossible to not make racist jokes in the tent, so I have to imagine we were probably pretty bad that night :taygrimacing: black bears are not worth being afraid of so we brought some trail mix in to snack on so before you set ur tent up right next to someone else consider: if u are afraid of bears, they may not be, and they're probably snackin in there

When the "would you choose the bear" thing was going around this is why it was stupid af btw, I could hulk probably a crowd of 10,000 Jewish women, I am not afraid of them nor even moids, but if I had to choose between a bear or Abby Shapiro and her giant milkers in the woods I would pick the bear. He's supposed to be there! I went to the woods to get away from you people :marseyraging:

Day 3

To the summit! https://i.imgur.com/LY1DAw2.png we did the green part of the map up to the summit and then back to the campgrounds. We left our shit set up and just took light packs. And what a good decision that was :feelssogood: It was very very steep the first half. I've never been more happy to have sewed a full linen outfit for this trip than at this part - highly recommend investing in some linen if you're doing sweaty shit.

https://i.imgur.com/2ZVU907.jpeg we kept coming across little flat areas where I'd try to prevent myself from looking up at the peak and :marseydespair: at how far away it was. But the views were pretty lovely and :marseyhope: because at least if it was arduous, it was arduous somewhere pretty https://i.imgur.com/cdGNX8K.png

We stopped for lunch on this big flat rock just before you have to lock in to get to the summit, looking at the peak once again had me :marseydespair: but sitting on this big rock and eating pepperoni and cheese wrapped in a tortilla hit in ways you couldn't even imagine https://i.imgur.com/GFT8nTi.png

It started getting less "climb up rocks and boulders" and more "try to find a tree to grab while you walk up steep rock faces" https://i.imgur.com/lyJ7y7f.png until we finally reached the point when you can SEE the summit, and jfc

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I was expecting something of a trail. Maybe with a rope! You could hold it so you could pull yourself up kinda, and stabilize yourself!

NOPE

It's just some spray painted marks to tell you vaguely, the fewest humans have slipped and rolled off if they went this way. https://i.imgur.com/2nfP6tN.png the perspective on this picture is kinda fun, almost looks like it could be me taking a photo below me of a flat area. No. It's straight fricking up. AND YOU JUST HAVE TO WALK UP IT

and you know what happens after you walk up it, right?

YOU HAVE TO FRICKING WALK DOWN IT TOO

WITH YOUR FEET

I need you to understand that the angle here is such that it kind of hurts your ankles to be walking up it. You need good grip shoes here. Or you just die lmao. There's a doxxing photo of me where some rocks slipped under me and I shut down and just curled into a ball :marseyscared: for a few minutes until I started going up on my hands and knees while yuppies with their lil sticks were walking up, not a care in the world

But the peak! Again, photography fails me here, there's no way to capture what it's like looking DOWN on dozens of gigantic mountains, looking at places you've climbed for days to get to previously and seeing them so far below you. A couple screenshots from the panorama I took https://i.imgur.com/6R0LxOp.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Lb3L3uY.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/lIjYSRH.png you could spend all day looking through the binocs up here

https://i.imgur.com/5AOa6Ul.png I spoke to the DNR worker at the peak and she confirmed they will be changing this to Marsey now that I've claimed it for us.

Climbing down the mountain sucked butt because I was scared of tumbling off, and we ran out of water and were thirsting over random mud puddles on the way 👀, but getting back to the tent at the end of the night and knowing that it was all downhill from here was so nice :marseysatisfied:

Day 4: The Final Day

Just kidding lmfao, the final day started off with a bunch more frickin uphill. https://i.imgur.com/LY1DAw2.png we did the final blue part all the way back to the parking lot on this day. We packed everything up and lamented having to carry our giant packs around again :marseycry: but at least we knew at the end of the day we'd be able to buy a bunch of goyslop and go hang out in an airbnb with a hot tub.

In the northeast, when a beaver sets up a dam, they just... divert the whole route for everyone and you have to traverse through the mud. They should learn about tannerite! Beavers may have built America but there's no reason you can't just step on their dams if they wanna be peepeeheads and set up on the route, at the very least :marseyraging: I've seen dudes portage heavy butt plastic canoes over beaver dams while wearing CROCS, you're telling me these ppl expect you to be able to do the rest of this horrific trail but not walk on some beaver houses??

During the portions it wasn't muddy, it was lovely https://i.imgur.com/qvVVJEm.jpeg , during the portions it was muddy, it was funny to pass the yuppies with their lil sticks and white northface meanwhile I'm covered up to my waist in mud and almost lost my boot to the bogs

Eventually, we got back to Marsey Dam. And what a beauty it was. Past that, all flat land... that original 2.5 miles that made us think it'd be an easy trip. Seeing the truck again :marseychefkiss: I've never felt more relieved. We were grunting out "truck!!! truck!!!!!" covered in mud, stinking to high heaven, my white shirt was permanently dyed brown from tripping almost getting lost in the bog like Artax, one side of my butt burning in ways never before felt because I was leading the climb up the giant boulders with my right leg. We went to a grocery store and bought a cart full of goyslop for a 'oops we were in the woods for it' bday https://i.imgur.com/OZIi07j.jpeg and gorged ourselves !goyslopenjoyers know what it's like after camping

Total distance for the trip was only 18 miles, elevation was 2466 ft from bottom to top. If you did it without packs or ultralight ones the rock climbing would likely be just moderately challenging instead of :marseyeyemixer2:

Overall this was definitely "type 2 fun" where it's not fun at all while you're doing it :marseydead: but in hindsight it was neat and I'm glad I did it. I'm also glad I had no idea it was going to be this butt because I would not have done it if I knew it was going to have 2 hours of hiking and then the rest would be rock climbing lmao. I would never do this again. If I had to, I'd do one of the day long routes where you don't camp and just bring a camelbak. No one seemed to want to kill themselves when they were doing the day hike so I assume it's not that bad, and the guide book says it's a fairly easy route.

I did see some really nice guys from NC with awesome accents struggling hard AF to get through one of the routes on our way out, I really hope they had a good trip and when they got back home it wasn't fricked :marseydespair: I can't imagine anything worse than going through avalanche pass and then getting home and ur house floated away

idk what the word limit to getting something marked as effortpost is but i'm going to hit it

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Did you lay on your back with an erection, so that your peepee was the highest point in New York?


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I would respect FTMs more if this was their reasoning for getting frankendicks

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Too short to be an effort post :marseylaugh:

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Does @kaamrev just do meth or something, I held the paste button down for so long in the aevann section lmao

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THIS NEIGHBOR DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE AN EFFORTPOST

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The key is too copy and past segments from existing articles with links to fluff up your text. No one reads these post anyway save for like 10ish or so of the most terminally online users. Also use some html shit like above to grab peoples attention out of their dull notifications.

just add the little arrows like this

Add a hyper link like this

Ping a couple of the most popular and spammy ping groups :marseynpcsheep: such as !metashit. Add a couple of well placed masreys :marseythumbsup: or even bettwer wolves :wolfhappy: and your basically done.

Now all you have to do is be not completely soulless and add your own little bit of flair for example @BWC likes to spam interracial porn and speak in soyspeech. And like that you have your own wall of text that no one will read but will get 40ish upsorens or so guarunteed if posted at the proper time interval :marseyparty:

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:marseyreading: listening and learning :marseynotes:

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You people are so cool 🆒

Where was this, in what country

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This is in the Adirondacks in New York state!

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Huzzahhhhh!!!!!

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>Distinguished posts are immune to cosmetic awards

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I have no idea what a distinguished post is but it sounds fancy :#marseybowler: :#!fancywithwine:

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I submitted it as a sidebar image on your behalf. :nice:

Edit: It was approved! :marseyparty:

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:marseydance: ty moon

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:#marseydoingmypart:

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the recycled white guilt flag sends me :xd:

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Lmfao I wasn't gonna mention it but I felt like the !chuds or at least the !leafs ones would think it was funny

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>expand

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>white guilt flag

WTF ware you referring to??????????? :#marseyconfused:

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It's the Truth and Reconciliation flag in the first part before the expands, in Canada we have a new white guilt day where you wave an orange flag and dunk on the Natives by reminding them you're on xyz tribes land. I trimmed it down and put Marsey on it instead. Now it rests on Marsey country :marseywholesome:

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Oh cool. So it's like waving an orange banner around in Belfast except it's about hating your own ethnic group, not the other one. :marseynotes:

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TY, I'm not Canadian, PBTG, so I didn't understand.

Orange = CUCKED FLAG CANADA got it :#marseynotes:

The color orange is used in Canada to represent awareness of and opposition to the genocidal "Indian residential school" system and its legacy.

https://old.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/121prqs/what_is_this_upside_down_orange_canadian_flag/

!chuds should be educated on this weird orange canada flag shit!

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OP used a injun guilt holiday flag as the basis for the marsey flag

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Congrats! I'm looking forward to doing more mountain stuff now that I'm finally kicking the alcohol.

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!boozers !noalcohol look at this cute twink

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Still gonna drink but probably not get blackout drunk 5 days a week.

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if ur liver isnt fricked ur not doing it right

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Now imagine how great it would be to climb up a mountain, take a breath, and break out the pint bottle. Master of mountain and mind.

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!alcoholmisia !bloomers Look at this :gigachad2: putting down the bottle and getting into wholesome hobbies. You can do it! Don't give up. The first few months can be especially hard while your brain adjusts, but if alcohol was preventing you from getting out more it sounds like a very positive development for you. :marseyitsallsowonderful:

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:marseyletsfuckinggo2: that's awesome congrats!!!

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Best post on this site in a long time. It looks like an awesome experience in hindsight and definitely type 2 fun. Type 2 fun is the most memorable though. That said the raw views during a hike do add some immediate gratification into the slog.

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Tysm :cryingatcuteness: it was a challenge but sometimes you'd just stop dead and be overwhelmed looking up, up, up- and not being able to see the top of these giant cliff faces. Some people (illegally lol) camped like right on the water before the gorges and I bet swimming there would've been one of those moments you remember forever

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I love the sierras so much

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I didn't see the pic before that's awesome!!!! I would love to try that someday :!marseyadmire:

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The mountain was known as Wah-um-de-neg, meaning "always white",

!whites

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Marcy confirmed wignat :chudjakbaldspin:

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Really :marseythinkorino2: pretty :marseyroan: mountain :marseysherpa:

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We need a ping group for mountain climbers cause I also hiked up a really really big hill once.

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Last year i did the Sierra nevadas i think i ended up just over 7200 ft at one point

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Do people really do this as a multi-day? It looks like a day hike.

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Yep, there's a lot of different trails, if you expand you can see the path that we went but there's a day trail that I'd say most people probably do. I would imagine it's the most maintained trail so probably a much better experience lol

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Redditors :marseychonker2:

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>owns a cricut

confirmed biofoid


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I thought about doing some r-slurred bit like that when I was hiking through Lapland earlier this year (my idea was to leave a printout or a sticker in some place a weeks walk away from closest town), but thankfully I snapped out of it and didn't let my terminally online side win.

I say that it's better to genuinely enjoy moments like these instead of exploiting them for internet clout, but good job on your climb! :marseythumbsup:

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:marseyladybugkneel#salute:

Incredible commitment brother.

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Lmfao that's an incredible marsey, tysm for the award too!

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I really admire people that are able to climb mountains for the heck of it, that's so amazing. You're cool as frick! :#marseycool2:

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You can work your way up to stuff like that I believe in you ToeBeans!!

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I don't have any mountains near me but I'll make sure I walk up some hills just for you :marseyembrace:

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I would have rolled down the mountain doing that last part to the summit :marseydeathpose: . I'll have to make a pilgrimage soon, looks beautiful :marseymesmerized:

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Lmfao I was genuinely so scared of that I was crab walking at points. I really wish I could post the pic of me :marseyscared: because in hindsight it's hilarious because you can see like some 60 year old lady in the BG not giving a single shit while I'm convinced I'm about to die

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Just drive a car next time :marseycool:

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>climbing up broken log ladders that some 1600s bloke erected and no one since has cared about

>backcountry camping, but people set up 5 ft from you and you listen to what its like to grow up in a jewish household all night

holy frick you lived out my sarcastic answer to what camping in NY state would probably be like

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She's not even exaggerating. Upstate is probably even more Jewish than the city is. Tons of little shit-butt towns where the Walmart is fricking slammed after 9:00 PM every Saturday night.

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:marseyxd: I'd say I've done the majority of my USA camping in MN and it's a much better experience. The boundary waters during the right time of year are so peaceful

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This is such a beautiful hike, glad you had fun!

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Tysm tater, you gotta bust out the eagle scout skills and do a trip soon

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!besties he planted a flag on Mount Marcy :marseygossipsmug:

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This makes me miss hiking. I was planning on hiking to a few local mountains this year, but then I fricked my knee up marathon training, so all that went out the window. I hate running. Hiking is much better and more rewarding.

I've never done a multi day backpacking trip though. Looks fun (and arduous).

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I really hope your knee heals up :marseyknowthatfeelbro: you doing any PT or anything? I have a kinda shitty knee from lifting poorly when I was a teen and it was definitely giving me issues at points. I hope you get back to 100% and get hiking cus you're right it's way better than running :marseystrut:

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You mean the rDrama :marseyhammerpizza: cat.

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:#marseyclapping: :#marseyclapping: :!#marseyclapping: :!#marseyclapping:

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I see a vision of a jihad where the banner of Marsey is brought to all the planets in the known galaxy. The bloodshed will be enormous.

What have I done? :marseydoomer:

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lol we climbed a mountain in Colorado as part of my summer camp leadership training and most of it was like your first half of day 1, just hiking eating shit food and trying to keep as clean/dry as possible. But on the last day we wokeup at like 4am and had to steep boulder climb for several hours. I mean it wasn't even that far, I was in the best shape of my life with no pack just snow gear, and I wanted to quit every nanosecond. No fricking idea how the fat girls didn't die. So I can appreciate how terrible this is. Congrats :tayclap:

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Thank you!! I'm so glad you get it lol, I was expecting people were gonna be like bah 17 miles I could do that in a day :marseyxd: this stuff is way tougher than it looks but also the views you get are wayyyy better than pictures could ever describe.

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Well done :marseyclapping:


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Based, way more impressive than my lame mountian climbing post

https://rdrama.net/post/295261/remembering-the-tomboy-genocide-tomboygenocide-this

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:marseyshook: I never even saw it, the genocide of it all... is there no land my people can thrive in :marseysadge:

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17278028949073987.webp

"GHOSTS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this neighborhood before. There could be SKELETONS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE GOBLINS" he thought. Sweet Dreams are Made of These reverberated his entire car, making it pulsate even as the $9 wine circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of SPOOKS after dark. "With a car, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Marcy:

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I legitimately want to kill myself living/working in DC/Boston/NYC.

We have these ugly dogshit hills covered in trees.

On the other hand California has high sierras and PNW is the most beautiful place on the planet.

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:@markrippetoepat: I know NYC is far from upstate but it has some really lovely areas, I hope you get a chance to visit more. I know how it feels though I spend 6 months of the year in Ottawa and their idea of nature is the 45 minute drive between downtown and the suburbs where there's fields along the highway :marseyxd:

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Were you there for the Honkocaust?

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Upstate is also ugly.

California is extremely beautiful but the issue is that it's a sausage fest so I will be incel if I move there.

DC is easy for slaying foids but Chesapeake bay is suicide inducingly ugly.

there needs to be a state with a lot of attractive foids and very good outdoors and no racial minorities except for Mexicans because you can heightmog them and look better near foids

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post it on the main site (wpd) too

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