Please... Even Chomsky said, or at least implied, most intellectuals where deaf and blind to class consciousness by virtue of their positions.
A group of NYC Brooklynites (most of them who were already wealthy or had connections anyway) discussing class consciousness was about the dumbest thing ever.
It's like that article from NYmag (I think) where the self proclaimed socialist starts by narrating her first meddlings with Socialism while growing up the Upper East Side.
these people are honestly so fucking stupid it's incredible:
At the beginning of the session, a DSA member stood up in front of the room and explained DSA’s “progressive stack” policy, in which white guys are encouraged to cede the floor when possible to ward off mansplaining. “We will be prioritizing non-men and people of color, so to try to work to try to undo some of the historical injustices,” he said. (He is white.) “We ask folks to ask themselves, ‘Why are they talking?’ Step up, step back after you make your point. Give other folks a chance to speak. Use ‘I’ statements …” He spoke for long enough you wondered why he didn’t just let a woman or person of color do it in his stead.
“Who knows how many years out of the last 50 years have the Democrats had the majority?” she asked. A middle-aged guy in a green pullover held up three fingers in A-okay formation. He was correct, but she wasn’t pleased. “I see you’re trying to answer that question, but that is a white-supremacist hand signal.”
“What’s your name again?” he asked me. “I always forget white guys’ names.” (McElwee is white.) I bought McElwee a vodka-and-soda — “I’m trying to lose weight. All the white supremacists are making fun of me”
I'm not a STEM lord or whatever but I think a lot of it is just COPE on their part.
Even Eric Hobsbawm (the most famous Marxist historian) said that the soviet union failed and agreed that millions died (although he thought it would be worth it if socialism was achieved).
Yet these people will dispute all this and probably call Eric an imperialist capitalist fash.
Hobsbawm made an obvious call in the last decade or so of his life. In 1956, however, he was all about the tanks rolling into Budapest (seriously, an original tankie). Though his four-volume history of industrial society is worth a read, and so is that book on bandits.
The other three books are much better. Obviously he has an ideological approach to all of them, but his participation in so much of of the material covered in The Age of Extremes makes it a little more suspect.
His later writings have no value whatsoever..The Age of Extremes (1994) which purports to cover the eight decades from WWI to the collapse of the USSR, which naturally was welcomed in the bourgeois press, is utterly worthless.
It is badly written and completely lacking in serious analysis of any of the great subjects it mentions.
tfw the original tankie sells out to the bourgeoisie.
Also, a tangent, did you notice in the linked thread that all the chapos and professors and otherwise upper-middle-class figures from history and people in general are referred to a petty bourgeois? Including Kropotkin who was a literal, unrinesable prince? A very petty microaggression if you ask me.
Oh man, do you know if foreigners can join DSA meetings? I wouldn’t mind stopping by next time I’m in NYC to tell these dumbasses how stupid they are. And they can’t stop me because I’m a minority right?
Bonus points if they get me started with Venezuela.
group of NYC Brooklynites (most of them who were already wealthy or had connections anyway) discussing class consciousness was about the dumbest thing ever.
This argument doesn't really work, since you have to keep in mind that guys like Engels and Kropotkin, founders and formulators of socialist ideology, were rich bougeoise.
Socialism has been rich people dictating how the poor should feel since day one. The chapo guys fit perfectly
they have always realized this. it's called cognitive dissonance. 'i hate rich people' + 'the people who i like are rich' ---> 'no, actually hundreds of thousands of dollars isnt that much'.
I'd just like to point out that with all the guilding the post got, even with the bundles with best coin/$ rate, that's still over 20$ worth of platinum, gold and silver, all for helping chapos realize that people they throw money at are not worth it. Amazing.
Either they're all edge teenagers that use their parents' money, or their poor people that don't know how to save their money and that's why their poor.
Because, at its heart, identity politics has always been about belonging to the cool kids club, and the CTH people were it for a while amongst 20-somethings who confuse the media they consume with an actual identity.
Extra bespoke- decide that anyone who communicates your ideology is inherently bourgeois and therefore anyone who teaches Marxism is a class enemy of marxism
In some ways, the absolutely worst thing that can happen is for someone to find a little island of success, a bit of wealth and material comfort, and to think they've EARNED it.
Whenever I see an add for a starving african child I sneer. It might starve, be we starve intellectually under Trump. Which is worse I ask you? I think it's obvious
He actually isn't wrong but he also identified why communism won't work. Hardworking, intelligent people will find success and then lose their angst. That leaves a bunch of lazy dumb people to lead the revolution.
The key part is when the chapos start lecturing the listening audience that things aren't that bad in the United States
Being born in a country where vast majority of residents lives better lives than idk, 95% of the entire earth's population, is a sick thing to say, I agree.
Their success isn't the problem. No, the problem is with the listeners. It's that the listeners have a distorted sense of reality, think things are worse than they really are--the problem isn't with the hosts
It's crazy how close to self aware he is. Yes, listeners who donate to hear bunch of drunks LARP as dirtbag revolutionaries actually are responsible for making them successful. I sort of get it when online leftists refuse to take any responsibility over products they buy (ya know, buying ethically sourced shit but lot of the time it isn't possible, takes time to research research and you're getting a worse deal so not everyone can afford it), but in this case they actually are 100% behind creating what are current Chapo hosts, whether they like them or not.
and kudos to them for it, I'm sure they worked hard
They make a podcast that's 60-90 minutes long, twice a week. Sure they need to prepare topics and notes for them but is this what hard work is in the eyes of regular /r/CTH poster?
They make a podcast that's 60-90 minutes long, twice a week. Sure they need to prepare topics and notes for them but is this what hard work is in the eyes of regular /r/CTH poster?
Given how many are likely students, that probably is hard work in their eyes.
Yes, will and other Chapo hosts are totally not scared of the fact that their sub is filled with legit psychos who would have gone on shooting sprees if they were fit.
The podcast is okay but the subreddit and its mods are a sham.
The mods are liberal centrists pretending to be radical commies. Gimme a break. Look at the garbage on the front page. Real stories never make it off of 'rising'.
r/ChapoTrapHouse is just another polluted ruined subreddit.
Hot take : socialists are right when they say the rich are the class enemy of the poor but wrong that the poor are the good guys that we should sympathize with.
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1 uniqueguy263 2019-04-11
This is the worst snappy quote ever
1 capthazelwoodsflask 2019-04-11
It's not a circular firing squad! Leftists don't have the organization to form a circle.
1 Osterion 2019-04-11
Don't call urself a socialist if ur morally okay bringing white babies into this world 🤮
1 TemujinsTrousersnake 2019-04-11
work on your socialism breh
1 Osterion 2019-04-11
I don't think any amount of white money could make up for the societal decay their continuing presence causes.
1 my_other_drama_alt 2019-04-11
mayodegenerates are like mdegenerates
1 Kalvthe 2019-04-11
🙄
1 lostvoicescallingout 2019-04-11
We can assure him, it really is
1 SpiceAndEvNice 2019-04-11
Please... Even Chomsky said, or at least implied, most intellectuals where deaf and blind to class consciousness by virtue of their positions.
A group of NYC Brooklynites (most of them who were already wealthy or had connections anyway) discussing class consciousness was about the dumbest thing ever.
It's like that article from NYmag (I think) where the self proclaimed socialist starts by narrating her first meddlings with Socialism while growing up the Upper East Side.
1 MrGoodieMob 2019-04-11
she was a "fourth generation socialist" apparently who was raised on the UES
1 lostvoicescallingout 2019-04-11
Epigenetic class consciousness
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
Can you link that article because it sounds hilarious ?
1 MrGoodieMob 2019-04-11
here ya go
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
👌
1 MrGoodieMob 2019-04-11
these people are honestly so fucking stupid it's incredible:
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
😂😂😂😂
I bookmarked it but fuck me, this article reads like a conservative parody.
1 MrGoodieMob 2019-04-11
idk how you can get so much education but still be such complete fucking morons.
like buster bluth in real life
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
I'm not a STEM lord or whatever but I think a lot of it is just COPE on their part.
Even Eric Hobsbawm (the most famous Marxist historian) said that the soviet union failed and agreed that millions died (although he thought it would be worth it if socialism was achieved).
Yet these people will dispute all this and probably call Eric an imperialist capitalist fash.
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-11
Hobsbawm made an obvious call in the last decade or so of his life. In 1956, however, he was all about the tanks rolling into Budapest (seriously, an original tankie). Though his four-volume history of industrial society is worth a read, and so is that book on bandits.
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
Fuck, I forgot this. Yes he was a literal tankie.
He also never resigned his membership of the commie party and I think the party stopped existing.
I got a cheap copy of his last book Age Of Extremes which I intend to read soon.
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-11
The other three books are much better. Obviously he has an ideological approach to all of them, but his participation in so much of of the material covered in The Age of Extremes makes it a little more suspect.
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
You maybe right although I'm inclined to read this because Marxists I know dislike this book of his.
And it seems they're not the only ones.
1 preserved_fish 2019-04-11
tfw the original tankie sells out to the bourgeoisie.
Also, a tangent, did you notice in the linked thread that all the chapos and professors and otherwise upper-middle-class figures from history and people in general are referred to a petty bourgeois? Including Kropotkin who was a literal, unrinesable prince? A very petty microaggression if you ask me.
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
Exactly.
Fuck ! It's 2019. Not cool. They ought a do better.
Russians have a beautiful peerage and they shouldn't silence and project their views on it.
1 SpiceAndEvNice 2019-04-11
Oh man, do you know if foreigners can join DSA meetings? I wouldn’t mind stopping by next time I’m in NYC to tell these dumbasses how stupid they are. And they can’t stop me because I’m a minority right?
Bonus points if they get me started with Venezuela.
1 MrGoodieMob 2019-04-11
i'm sure they would prefer it over a white guy
1 Sarge_Ward 2019-04-11
This argument doesn't really work, since you have to keep in mind that guys like Engels and Kropotkin, founders and formulators of socialist ideology, were rich bougeoise.
Socialism has been rich people dictating how the poor should feel since day one. The chapo guys fit perfectly
1 HeresCyonnah 2019-04-11
I mean, it's on point for socialists, but that doesn't mean its wrong for Spice to say it's stupid.
1 Slump_o 2019-04-11
I listen to this when I’m sad and it makes me sadder. I also listen to it when i’m not sad and it makes me sad.
1 ardasyenden 2019-04-11
why does this retard use the word banal so much
1 lostvoicescallingout 2019-04-11
Cuz he's a retard lmao
1 ardasyenden 2019-04-11
Dude Retard lmao
1 IVIaskerade 2019-04-11
Because he craves bussy and anal.
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1 pi_over_3 2019-04-11
You can tell your ideology is shit when "perspective" makes it crumble.
1 wow___justwow 2019-04-11
lol oh man this is great
How are they just now realizing this?
1 lostvoicescallingout 2019-04-11
10 gorillion IQ antifa super soyldier pieces together what that patreon thingy is
1 the_marx 2019-04-11
they have always realized this. it's called cognitive dissonance. 'i hate rich people' + 'the people who i like are rich' ---> 'no, actually hundreds of thousands of dollars isnt that much'.
1 my_other_drama_alt 2019-04-11
no theyre just stupid
1 the_marx 2019-04-11
no actually your wrong
1 prince_of_prussia1 2019-04-11
No u
1 my_other_drama_alt 2019-04-11
yes
1 Woolgun 2019-04-11
I'd just like to point out that with all the guilding the post got, even with the bundles with best coin/$ rate, that's still over 20$ worth of platinum, gold and silver, all for helping chapos realize that people they throw money at are not worth it. Amazing.
1 prince_of_prussia1 2019-04-11
It truly gets my noggin joggin
Im assuming most of these dumb donations are done when drunk or under some other substance
1 employee10038080 2019-04-11
Either they're all edge teenagers that use their parents' money, or their poor people that don't know how to save their money and that's why their poor.
1 lostvoicescallingout 2019-04-11
imagine ever giving money to a website as shitty as this one
1 _narrows 2019-04-11
Because, at its heart, identity politics has always been about belonging to the cool kids club, and the CTH people were it for a while amongst 20-somethings who confuse the media they consume with an actual identity.
1 Kalvthe 2019-04-11
He came back made an amazing edit.
1 wow___justwow 2019-04-11
his kid is so fucked
1 Megazor 2019-04-11
Broke - abandon class struggle and the blue collar workers
Woke - overwhelmingly focused on fringe social issues like tranny rights
Bespoke - voluntarily support petite bourgeois champagne socialists Podcasters with thousands of dollars/month while you live the NEET life
1 lostvoicescallingout 2019-04-11
Chapo: i'll take your whole stock
1 Osterion 2019-04-11
Extra bespoke- decide that anyone who communicates your ideology is inherently bourgeois and therefore anyone who teaches Marxism is a class enemy of marxism
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
You mean going full pol pot ?
1 ironicshitpostr 2019-04-11
Oh no chankiri trees :(
1 ChaimWeizmann 2019-04-11
Join anti glasses gang.
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
😎
1 the_marx 2019-04-11
concern for 'blue collar' workers and not the working-class as a whole is, like, the height of identity politics lmao.
1 IVIaskerade 2019-04-11
Lmao this sums up chapo so perfectly.
1 Kalvthe 2019-04-11
It was even better before he rewrote it.
1 arandomloser21 2019-04-11
Actual lol. The lack of self-awareness has reached critical levels.
1 Kalvthe 2019-04-11
Thread theme
1 arandomloser21 2019-04-11
Unironically like this song. 👌👌👌
1 Slump_o 2019-04-11
same
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
He's right. I hate those uppity parvenu nouveau riche types.
Inherit your great grandfather's fortune or GTFO !
1 ironicshitpostr 2019-04-11
It’s over for trustfundlets
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
It never even began for them.
If you're family wealth is younger than Bush Original, then you can just fuck off.
1 Data_Destroyer 2019-04-11
Lel try the 16th century.
Who let all this riff raff in?
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
Hey someone has to pay the bill. Might as well let in some of these new money types.
1 bG9sIG5pY2UgdHJ5Cg 2019-04-11
mfw literally any american thinks they count as "old money"
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-04-11
The virgin self-made bootstrap-puller vs the chad trustfund baby
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
1 employee10038080 2019-04-11
God forbid someone work hard to earn a living.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-04-11
CTH summed up in one sentence
1 dongas420 2019-04-11
The tall poppy 🥀 gets hammered 🔨 down 👇 and dragged back 🔙 into the bucket 🗑️
1 MrGoodieMob 2019-04-11
a very controversial take, somehow
1 xlhat 2019-04-11
Honestly for a country as large as yours, you people come out fairly well.
Fix the healthcare thing and you'll shoot up in rankings.
1 ChaimWeizmann 2019-04-11
Yup Americans are doing very well saying as an actual third world poster.
1 tschwib 2019-04-11
Whenever I see an add for a starving african child I sneer. It might starve, be we starve intellectually under Trump. Which is worse I ask you? I think it's obvious
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2019-04-11
Dey eat da poo poo
1 MrGoodieMob 2019-04-11
lol their podcast sucks shit, but this is 100% correct
1 running_out_of_alts 2019-04-11
He actually isn't wrong but he also identified why communism won't work. Hardworking, intelligent people will find success and then lose their angst. That leaves a bunch of lazy dumb people to lead the revolution.
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1 automatic_cluck 2019-04-11
no u
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1 prince_of_prussia1 2019-04-11
Lol. Bullied by a bot
Pathetic
1 automatic_cluck 2019-04-11
lol normie
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1 Slithice_ 2019-04-11
Spank him Daddy 😍 😈
1 MacAndShits 2019-04-11
Yes
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1 MacAndShits 2019-04-11
Based and No-u-pilled
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Based and cuckpilled
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1 Woolgun 2019-04-11
Being born in a country where vast majority of residents lives better lives than idk, 95% of the entire earth's population, is a sick thing to say, I agree.
It's crazy how close to self aware he is. Yes, listeners who donate to hear bunch of drunks LARP as dirtbag revolutionaries actually are responsible for making them successful. I sort of get it when online leftists refuse to take any responsibility over products they buy (ya know, buying ethically sourced shit but lot of the time it isn't possible, takes time to research research and you're getting a worse deal so not everyone can afford it), but in this case they actually are 100% behind creating what are current Chapo hosts, whether they like them or not.
They make a podcast that's 60-90 minutes long, twice a week. Sure they need to prepare topics and notes for them but is this what hard work is in the eyes of regular /r/CTH poster?
1 TrailerParkBride 2019-04-11
Given how many are likely students, that probably is hard work in their eyes.
1 CMDR-FusionCor3 2019-04-11
They finally realised that bankrolling NEETs with millions made them rich, and the rich are bourgeois.
Only took them years.
1 imnotgaystopasking 2019-04-11
chapo has a podcast?
1 BlessThisBussy 2019-04-11
This is awesome and they’re not wrong. The podcast hosts make SO much money from patreon and it’s retards like them that are paying them 😂
1 ChaimWeizmann 2019-04-11
Yes, will and other Chapo hosts are totally not scared of the fact that their sub is filled with legit psychos who would have gone on shooting sprees if they were fit.
1 Pyromaniacl 2019-04-11
What a beautiful, beautiful climax. Haven't seen such a well-crafted bait in a long time.
1 shatabee4 2019-04-11
The podcast is okay but the subreddit and its mods are a sham.
The mods are liberal centrists pretending to be radical commies. Gimme a break. Look at the garbage on the front page. Real stories never make it off of 'rising'.
r/ChapoTrapHouse is just another polluted ruined subreddit.
1 lostvoicescallingout 2019-04-11
the virgin cth vs the chad cumtown vs the thad kstv2
1 Chapocel 2019-04-11
🤔
1 lostvoicescallingout 2019-04-11
not u bb <3
1 Chapocel 2019-04-11
👌
1 aqouta 2019-04-11
Hot take : socialists are right when they say the rich are the class enemy of the poor but wrong that the poor are the good guys that we should sympathize with.
1 lostvoicescallingout 2019-04-11
randian class warfare, nice take
1 check_fugazi_bro 2019-04-11
Lmao