Slavoj Zizek is worth his weight in gold, both because he endlessly pisses off pretty much everyone, and because of his awesome hair, and so on, and so on.
"Shit, I didn't spend all this time organising Pitchfork and Torch Mobs for Tolerance just to hear some smarty-pants tell me I should temper my violent actions with careful consideration and mental self-analysis. Pfft! There's fash what needs bashing! HO!!"
Oh, you over-estimate these kids by a mile. They're not organising anything, their "activism" doesn't go much further than pureile, masturbatory fantasies about rioting, beating and murdering everyone who disagrees with them when the revolution comes, and repeating "bash the fash" six hundred times a day. They like to talk tough on the Internet, to make themselves feel like ass-kicking vigilantes (exhibit A: "Every time I walk around town now, I feel like I'm on patrol, just begging for a fascist face to acquaint with the curb." but it never goes any further than that.
Seriously, it's so wonderful. You can take that sentence and just switch the nouns to reflect the other end of the spectrum and it would be equally true.
They're /pol/, but commie instead of nazi. They still have the un-PC chan attitude and they also have dialogue with reactionaries. This bothers the reddit lefties, who are bothered by words like "dumb" and "stupid".
As is typical for 4chan, they say faggot a lot which triggers other commies. Also use words like "moron", "idiot", etc. which are now super ableist and absolutely unacceptable words to be used during the revolution.
Zizek is of course right, the endless street battles of 1920's Germany didn't stop the rise of Nazis and neither will randomly punching people in the street. In fact I would wager that more political violence will drive more people into becoming reactionaries as it increases the fear and uncertainty, major driving forces of reactionary movements.
Also are the left oblivious to the danger of normalizing political violence? Don't they realize that it might be turned back on them later?
Why don't we want violence? Is another century of oppression for minorities (or the destruction of the white race) in the US while everyone wrings their hands a better alternative to a final, spasmic civil war to rid the country of either SJWs or white nationalists and their allies? Why would either one want to share a country with the other?
Because civil war is absolutely brutal, especially an unstructured communal conflict that would pit neighbor against neighbor and not state against state like in the first civil war. After a day of it you would be begging to go back to the way things were.
Is another century of oppression for minorities (or the destruction of the white race) in the US.
Minorities are not oppressed in the US and the White Race is not being destroyed.
Why would either one want to share a country with the other?
What the US needs is a return to politeness and civility it in politics which both parties have seemed to unlearn. The great thing about politeness is it allows you to have amicable disagreements on some issues while working together on others.
Violence won't solve anything, bro. SJWism will arise whenever and wherever some people are pathetic, unfuckable piss-babies. The only thing that can prevent that is probably genetic engineering or something.
Because it will rebound on you and hurt you to a far greater extent than the benefits of the savage joy you feel when attacking those who you disagree with.
They got a reality check that they were out of step with national mood when Hillary "99% chance to win" Clinton lost the the election but apparently they cant take fucking hint.
In all fairness, if moderates had done even a kind of decent job at running the country, we wouldn't be seeing the extremism we've been seeing lately across the political spectrum.
You guys seriously botched both globalization and the global recession. There's no arguing against that.
You don't think it has anything to do with the democratization of communication to such an extent that people believe blogs more than real news?
I always find it funny when people pretend like the internet hasn't changed things in a literal revolutionary way and instead is some vague idiotic reason. From the Arab Spring to populism, a.main contributor is people talking to each other.
Just ask yourself what aspiring Nazis would rather:
1) To listen to speeches.
2) To punch communists in the face.
Actual fascists don't care if they are "shut down" and "deplatformed" by anti-fa. They want to punch people in the face. Anti-fa is GIVING them the platform they want.
And yes, I guess there's a few wannabe nazis who just want to give speeches, but they're powerless unless they can gather a great unwashed mass of useful idiot brownshirts who just want to punch people in the face.
Not really a problem in most civilised countries, there's not enough idiots on either side to cause a big problem. But parts of the EU might have issues.
There's loads of people agreeing with him, though. The further you go down the thread, the more there are. And the one tripfag talking shit against him ends up admitting they didn't even read the article or anything by him.
I'm not actually bashing people with autism, besides /leftypol/ frequently uses such insults as a means to attack /pol/.
I don't think they mind you, they loved the catgirl drama from r/socialism, it basically showed how crazy and controlling their mods are. The Zizek drama is hilarious, with one side going on about how he's a "CIA plant/shill, bourgeoise/champagne socialist, liberal concerned with his Netflix deal", and the other side defending him and pointing out that going "smashie smashie" on everyone they think is a fascist, will harm innocents and if antifascists target an evangelical because of their position on LGBT people, it might turn the majority of the working class into the far right. Plus they need a good theory before they act.
if you punch your enemies, they win
Absolutely unreal, these assholes are in power. You can't just turn around on oppression and state violence. Not unless you're rich like this slovenian fisted asshole.The he brings up that shithead Ghandi that liberals like him jerk themselves off to when it was other violent groups that brought real change to India.
There was another time when he was arguing against communes and full democracy when he had stressed the ease of modern society and praised alienation. The guy is the definition of a bourgeois socialist, he likes to talk about changing the system but if it were ever to affect his life in any way he would oppose it vehemently. The guy just wants his coffee in the morning and his balls scratched in the afternoon, he doesn't give a fuck about the struggle of the proletariat, it's all theoretical bullshit to him. The fat cunt probably would have killed Rosa.
Anonymous 01/27/17 (Fri) 14:29:12 No.1295627
literally let the oppressors exterminate us into exhaustion and self reflection like the british did to india.
Only in india the masses were being exterminated. We only have each other and libs and right tards are gonna say, "wew violence even against oppressors is bad."
"Zizek confirmed for cis plant".
1295036
Yes, that's why the entire bourgie left rejects it
What the "bougie left" does is not necessarily indicative of being wrong, in this case,
Zizek is the bougie left
1295027
I'm not criticizing him for "criticizing me", whatever that means.
I'm criticizing him by using today's politically correct standards, IE those in Capitalist power, in order to suggest what he otherwise defends in the farther past but not today, are correct. While today is not correct.
Sure, largely, the riots have been, inefficient.
But what exactly does Zizek hope to see? Military trained revolutionaries? Isn't going to happen.
But instead of actually clarifying his contradicting position, he full on points it out himself, invoking liberal notions of peaceful protest in such a way where he seems more than he is. He isn't.
He's a liberal documentary star with a Netflix contract worried about his income
Anonymous 01/27/17 (Fri) 11:53:59 No.1294991>>1295003 >>1295124
Zizek's support for the proletariat, revolution, and the Left in general is always in inverse relation to their closeness in space and time.
He is unabashedly supportive of the French Revolution, since it is impossibly far away. Absolutely, yesh, I shay, every one who got guillotined desherved it, and and so on.
The early 20th century revolutions that failed (like the SDAPO in Austria) he also comes out for completely. It was a terrible thing that Austrian moderates didn't join leftist paramilitaries in the streets.
Then we get closer, to the early 20th Century revolutions that were effective. The USSR, he holds up Lenin as a good example all the time, but disdains the USSR, why? Because it lasted long enough to be close to him.
Mao? Far enough away that Zizek sometimes mentions him approvingly, but close enough that Zizek adopts a guarded and conservative posture.
Literally anything happening now? He skews from Conservative to full on reactionary. His shit about muh immigrants was reactionary garbage.
"When I was young I remember when former US president Nixon went to China. The idea was that only a right-winger can do something like this. If a left-winger, or a Democratic president had done this, he would have been attacked as a traitor. The same paradox in France, you remember. Only De Gaulle was able to recognize an independent Algeria. A left-winger would have been considered a traitor. And we are at the end of this crazy logic. If you want better conditions for the working class, you have to be populist right wing."
TLDR: If you want better conditions for the working class, you have to be a populist right winger.
Why would you go through the trouble of encouraging me to "read the article" and posting a tl;dr that restates my citation from the conclusion of Zizek's column?
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n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-27
Like I give a fuck about what cocaine addicts have to say about politics
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
Isn't that the point of r/drama? And all the shit posts about r/anarchism?
n/a lvl99SkrubRekker 2017-01-27
SOCIALIST DETECTED
For shame spooky.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-27
😔
n/a lvl99SkrubRekker 2017-01-27
Now go assault a prostitute and think about about what you have done!
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-27
Prostitutes are a part of the lumpenproletariet so it's ok.
n/a glmox 2017-01-27
youre just mad because they can think faster
n/a WalterMatthau 2017-01-27
Slavoj Zizek is worth his weight in gold, both because he endlessly pisses off pretty much everyone, and because of his awesome hair, and so on, and so on.
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
I love how some autistic anarchist in that thread is convinced that Zizek is some liberal plant that's there to prevent their revolution.
n/a Hammer_of_truthiness 2017-01-27
The revolution will doom itself once it interrupts the tendies supply
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
Look at them, the LARPER's are mad that Zizek's telling them to read, think, instead of "Smashie Smashie".
n/a SkekEkt 2017-01-27
"Shit, I didn't spend all this time organising Pitchfork and Torch Mobs for Tolerance just to hear some smarty-pants tell me I should temper my violent actions with careful consideration and mental self-analysis. Pfft! There's fash what needs bashing! HO!!"
n/a MilkbottleF 2017-01-27
Oh, you over-estimate these kids by a mile. They're not organising anything, their "activism" doesn't go much further than pureile, masturbatory fantasies about rioting, beating and murdering everyone who disagrees with them when the revolution comes, and repeating "bash the fash" six hundred times a day. They like to talk tough on the Internet, to make themselves feel like ass-kicking vigilantes (exhibit A: "Every time I walk around town now, I feel like I'm on patrol, just begging for a fascist face to acquaint with the curb." but it never goes any further than that.
n/a WalterMatthau 2017-01-27
Seriously, it's so wonderful. You can take that sentence and just switch the nouns to reflect the other end of the spectrum and it would be equally true.
Zizek should be a /r/drama mod.
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
He might even accept it. I want to see him do Coke Cola and Starbucks advertisements. I'd love to become an r/drama mod.
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-01-27
didn't he write a catalog or something
like the sears catalog.
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
abercrombie & fitch
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-01-27
n/a shaneoffline 2017-01-27
His tongue sounds fatter than my diiiiiiiick
n/a HillaryDidNothnWrong 2017-01-27
He's basically the Gaben of things that piss scientists off.
n/a Prince_Kropotkin 2017-01-27
"the court jester of Marxism" is how Freddie deBoer put it.
n/a opi 2017-01-27
Over here to lore of court jester is that he is always a smart person who uses buffoonery and comedy to tell the untellable truth to king. That would fit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sta%C5%84czyk_(painting)#Sta.C5.84czyk
n/a Prince_Kropotkin 2017-01-27
There is a famous video out there of someone saying as much. It was a kind of new age hippie guy, can't remember this name.
n/a opi 2017-01-27
Thanks for the video, going on Watts binge.
n/a Monkey_Paralysed 2017-01-27
No such thing as truth though.
n/a FreeRobotFrost 2017-01-27
Zizek's great, but I'd really like to see him and Stallman team up to spitroast corporate fascism together.
n/a Lord_Tartarus 2017-01-27
r/badphilosophy is losing their shit over this post IN REAL TIME
n/a godofdae 2017-01-27
Why do the socialist subs on Reddit hate /leftypol/? Is it because of the typical infighting in socialist groups?
n/a riemann1413 2017-01-27
yes, in large part
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
/leftypol/ is politically incorrect, they don't care about pronouns and they criticize refugees.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-01-27
My god.
n/a BrotherToaster 2017-01-27
AKA the people who are most likely to start an actual revolution
n/a zahlman 2017-01-27
Because they hate catgirls. Everything else follows logically from there.
n/a Mournhold 2017-01-27
Now son I do believe you've lost me
n/a sandernista_4_TRUMP 2017-01-27
Catgirls has less than a dozen comics, more cats than comics...that's why I hate them.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-27
They're /pol/, but commie instead of nazi. They still have the un-PC chan attitude and they also have dialogue with reactionaries. This bothers the reddit lefties, who are bothered by words like "dumb" and "stupid".
n/a AgentGotse 2017-01-27
As is typical for 4chan, they say faggot a lot which triggers other commies. Also use words like "moron", "idiot", etc. which are now super ableist and absolutely unacceptable words to be used during the revolution.
n/a lulzmaker 2017-01-27
/leftypol/ was a mistake.
n/a Ginjeet 2017-01-27
for you
n/a a_normal_human 2017-01-27
/bane/ is ded
n/a megumin_mana 2017-01-27
Zizek is of course right, the endless street battles of 1920's Germany didn't stop the rise of Nazis and neither will randomly punching people in the street. In fact I would wager that more political violence will drive more people into becoming reactionaries as it increases the fear and uncertainty, major driving forces of reactionary movements.
Also are the left oblivious to the danger of normalizing political violence? Don't they realize that it might be turned back on them later?
n/a drvoke 2017-01-27
Why don't we want violence? Is another century of oppression for minorities (or the destruction of the white race) in the US while everyone wrings their hands a better alternative to a final, spasmic civil war to rid the country of either SJWs or white nationalists and their allies? Why would either one want to share a country with the other?
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-01-27
It wont be final.
because they have to.
n/a megumin_mana 2017-01-27
Because civil war is absolutely brutal, especially an unstructured communal conflict that would pit neighbor against neighbor and not state against state like in the first civil war. After a day of it you would be begging to go back to the way things were.
Minorities are not oppressed in the US and the White Race is not being destroyed.
What the US needs is a return to politeness and civility it in politics which both parties have seemed to unlearn. The great thing about politeness is it allows you to have amicable disagreements on some issues while working together on others.
n/a wobinidan 2017-01-27
White power pricks and SJWs probably make up less than 10% of the population. Why should the rest of us have to suffer their stupid war?
n/a Time_to_Drink 2017-01-27
Try less than 3%
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-01-27
Violence won't solve anything, bro. SJWism will arise whenever and wherever some people are pathetic, unfuckable piss-babies. The only thing that can prevent that is probably genetic engineering or something.
n/a Tiammatt 2017-01-27
Hey how's school going
n/a Gusfoo 2017-01-27
Because it will rebound on you and hurt you to a far greater extent than the benefits of the savage joy you feel when attacking those who you disagree with.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-27
Yes
In fact, they are oblivious to a lot of things.
n/a megumin_mana 2017-01-27
They got a reality check that they were out of step with national mood when Hillary "99% chance to win" Clinton lost the the election but apparently they cant take fucking hint.
n/a Ciax420 2017-01-27
Hillary isn't left. What are you even talking about?
n/a Tiammatt 2017-01-27
Few of then even like Clinton. That's just dirty moderates like me.
n/a FuckURedditor 2017-01-27
In all fairness, if moderates had done even a kind of decent job at running the country, we wouldn't be seeing the extremism we've been seeing lately across the political spectrum.
You guys seriously botched both globalization and the global recession. There's no arguing against that.
n/a Tiammatt 2017-01-27
You don't think it has anything to do with the democratization of communication to such an extent that people believe blogs more than real news?
I always find it funny when people pretend like the internet hasn't changed things in a literal revolutionary way and instead is some vague idiotic reason. From the Arab Spring to populism, a.main contributor is people talking to each other.
Not experts lol
n/a Elite_AI 2017-01-27
Nope. Most of us think that violence is already being used against the left.
When I say us I don't mean me. I'm too special snowflake to agree with people who agree with me.
n/a HillaryDidNothnWrong 2017-01-27
See, it's okay when [insert wing of choice] here does it, but not when [opposing wing] does it.
n/a wisty 2017-01-27
Just ask yourself what aspiring Nazis would rather:
1) To listen to speeches.
2) To punch communists in the face.
Actual fascists don't care if they are "shut down" and "deplatformed" by anti-fa. They want to punch people in the face. Anti-fa is GIVING them the platform they want.
And yes, I guess there's a few wannabe nazis who just want to give speeches, but they're powerless unless they can gather a great unwashed mass of useful idiot brownshirts who just want to punch people in the face.
Not really a problem in most civilised countries, there's not enough idiots on either side to cause a big problem. But parts of the EU might have issues.
n/a FuckURedditor 2017-01-27
More accurately: the fascist wants to punch people in the face and get applauded for it.
But then, apparently so do the tankies.
n/a IIllIIIII 2017-01-27
There's loads of people agreeing with him, though. The further you go down the thread, the more there are. And the one tripfag talking shit against him ends up admitting they didn't even read the article or anything by him.
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
"Sardonic_Deity should get hanged"
/Leftypol/ has reached peak autism.
n/a Prince_Kropotkin 2017-01-27
Why use autism jokes? You can get the point across without them. There's banning catgirls and then there's being kinda shitty to people with autism.
Anyway, if they hate people from reddit, I wonder how they feel about the edgelords or me.
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
I'm not actually bashing people with autism, besides /leftypol/ frequently uses such insults as a means to attack /pol/.
I don't think they mind you, they loved the catgirl drama from r/socialism, it basically showed how crazy and controlling their mods are. The Zizek drama is hilarious, with one side going on about how he's a "CIA plant/shill, bourgeoise/champagne socialist, liberal concerned with his Netflix deal", and the other side defending him and pointing out that going "smashie smashie" on everyone they think is a fascist, will harm innocents and if antifascists target an evangelical because of their position on LGBT people, it might turn the majority of the working class into the far right. Plus they need a good theory before they act.
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
Plus attacking me is pointless.
n/a jingleheimer_spliff 2017-01-27
wat
n/a Ylajali_2002 2017-01-27
> this is what autists want you to believe.
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
Anonymous Angry Cat 01/27/17 (Fri) 11:51:38 No.1294981
Anonymous 01/27/17 (Fri) 14:29:12 No.1295627 literally let the oppressors exterminate us into exhaustion and self reflection like the british did to india. Only in india the masses were being exterminated. We only have each other and libs and right tards are gonna say, "wew violence even against oppressors is bad." "Zizek confirmed for cis plant".
Hoochie Minh!!KVhI0fSZY6 01/27/17 (Fri) 12:06:43 No.1295050>>1295065
Hoochie Minh!!KVhI0fSZY6 01/27/17 (Fri) 12:05:53 No.1295045>>1295070 >>1295078 >>1295450
Anonymous 01/27/17 (Fri) 11:53:59 No.1294991>>1295003 >>1295124 Zizek's support for the proletariat, revolution, and the Left in general is always in inverse relation to their closeness in space and time. He is unabashedly supportive of the French Revolution, since it is impossibly far away. Absolutely, yesh, I shay, every one who got guillotined desherved it, and and so on. The early 20th century revolutions that failed (like the SDAPO in Austria) he also comes out for completely. It was a terrible thing that Austrian moderates didn't join leftist paramilitaries in the streets. Then we get closer, to the early 20th Century revolutions that were effective. The USSR, he holds up Lenin as a good example all the time, but disdains the USSR, why? Because it lasted long enough to be close to him. Mao? Far enough away that Zizek sometimes mentions him approvingly, but close enough that Zizek adopts a guarded and conservative posture. Literally anything happening now? He skews from Conservative to full on reactionary. His shit about muh immigrants was reactionary garbage.
WEW
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-01-27
haha, good work.
n/a FreeRobotFrost 2017-01-27
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n/a grungebot5000 2017-01-27
look man i'm not talking about punching ANY nazi here. just richard spencer.
it may not be ethical, but it's RIGHT dammit
n/a AgentGotse 2017-01-27
Don't really see why they are getting upset over this. This whole punching Nazis thing will only happen in their imagination anyway.
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n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
Read Zizek in that article.
n/a GlobalSouth 2017-01-27
I have. That's where the quote comes from.
You should read it too!
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
I have read the article dipshit.
"When I was young I remember when former US president Nixon went to China. The idea was that only a right-winger can do something like this. If a left-winger, or a Democratic president had done this, he would have been attacked as a traitor. The same paradox in France, you remember. Only De Gaulle was able to recognize an independent Algeria. A left-winger would have been considered a traitor. And we are at the end of this crazy logic. If you want better conditions for the working class, you have to be populist right wing."
TLDR: If you want better conditions for the working class, you have to be a populist right winger.
n/a GlobalSouth 2017-01-27
Why would you go through the trouble of encouraging me to "read the article" and posting a tl;dr that restates my citation from the conclusion of Zizek's column?
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
I posted the section of the article, where Zizek explicitly states that only a right wing populist can do beneficial things for the working class.
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-27
Sorry. I thought you were against his conclusion for whatever reason.