We're only about a month out from a bunch of subs getting in trouble. I think it's april 26th when any subs using a banbot to automatically ban people that have never posted on the sub get in trouble.
Yeah, the rules changed on banning people for things they posted on other subreddits. The admins do not seem happy about it, especially automatic ban bots for posting on subs like tia.
I'm pretty sure that his 'defense force' is just 5-6 alts. I have never seen any downvoting against him until he shows up himself. That says 'alts' to me.
okay first of all do you really think we go around downvoting anything anti-PK? I made the sub mostly as a joke based off of /r/riemannDefenseForce. I didn't even expect to get more than 3 subs, let alone the 9 we have.
but mainly, you do realise this sub has other leftist/anarchist users other than PK, right? Basically half of /r/LeftWithoutEdge is subbed here. So yeah of course some people are going to side with him sometimes. (I usually do like 3/4 of the time, since sometimes he says some really stupid berniebro tier shit.)
No Prince don't you see, I'm your alt-account that was created over a year before your actual account so that I could spread your commie agenda over in /r/montageparodies (the first place I posted in)
I'm just wondering what /r/Anarchism has to actually do at this point to get banned. Apparently posting instructions to carry out terrorist attacks, refusing to enforce site-wide rules, and encouraging it's American users to commit felonies and buy guns illegally isn't enough.
Maybe harassing users they don't like with death threats like LSWE did?
"Listen on! Listen on! This is the truth of it. Fighting leads to killing, and killing gets to warring, and that was damn near the death of us all. Look at us now, busted up and everyone talking about hard rain! But we've learned! By the dust of them all, Bartertown learned. Now, when men get to fighting, it happens here, and it finishes here! Two men enter; one man leaves."
probably there are not enough people actually reporting that shit to the admins. we need at least 10 people to actively browse /r/anarchism and report rule breaking conduct. unfortunately i wouldnt ask my worst enemy to browse /r/anarchism so i cant see many people doing that.
I browse their occasionally when I'm feeling low on autism. Some of there mods posted dox a few months back and I emailed the admins and got them perm suspended lol. Not sure why they haven't been banned yet but it's hilarious how retarded they are.
If the admins are being smart here (big if) then this could be them getting their ducks in a row to ban r/anarchism. Banning LWSE was an easy sell since the sub was explicitly dedicated to breaking their no calls to violence rule, but banning anarchism would face more backlash since it's more of a "political" sub, so they might be taking baby steps so that once the hammer drops they can be like "we gave them the opportunity to change but they wouldn't".
Otherwise the admins are just being retarded, which is totally possible. They've thrown plausible deniability out the window at this point so they might be able to be held liable if one of those retards takes a pressure cooker full of marbles to a trump rally.
We all know the /r/drama mod team consists entirely of admin alts. They use us to take the pulse of Reddit, and they will almost certainly implement this immediately.
I'm just wondering what /r/Anarchism has to actually do at this point to get banned. Apparently posting instructions to carry out terrorist attacks, refusing to enforce site-wide rules, and encouraging it's American users to commit felonies and buy guns illegally isn't enough.
Vote brigading. That seems to be the only reason subs get banned.
Yo, very avid proviolence proanarchism guy here, and I very much enjoy(ed?) this subreddit, but I really wonder what the mod team thought was gonna happen.
I get you, and you're definitely right in this specific instances.
But much of the 'planning' for the American revolution was just drunken bar talk. Don't underestimate the ability of small rocks to gather big ones as they tumble down the hill.
But much of the 'planning' for the American revolution was just drunken bar talk.
Yeah, and the only reason that was possible is because significant people, power players in America, were present. Unless one of the mods is a secret billionaire, they're not going to be planning a revolution any time soon.
Why dont mods just ban this fucking subs? They are nothing but trouble, same for the incels subs and the far right subs. Just ban them, they aren't worth the trouble keeping around.
1) the admins are lazy as shit. There are articles that talk about staff being drunk in the workplace, lots of layoffs and people quitting, and frustrations from lower level staff at how little management helps.
2) they don't want to deal with the drama of banning political subs because that's even more of a hornet's nest than banning Coontown or FPH. Although idk how they haven't banned /r/incels or any of their weird offshoots because those guys routinely talk about raping women and going Elliot Rodgers on some motherfuckers and /r/incels isn't even an ideology where people would scream "CENSORSHIP!"
Because banning a bunch of crazy people who gather together to talk about rape and violence, will likely lead some of those people to act out in the real world because they don't have their outlet any more.
Eh, they won't ever do more than whine on the internet. Incels are cowards, not able to withstand the idea of even going outside to do normal things, let alone anything harmful.
1) cannot be emphasized enough. this is a retarded website that got popular by accident in spite of the crippling incompetence of the people who run it.
I support the democratic party, i wouldn't really call myself all that much of a centrist. Ban incels, that place is a festering shithole. Same goes for r anarchy and far righy subs.
This is such a strawman. "Centrists" aren't advocating literal averages, we'll take a position from an "extreme" side if it's a good position.
Right: Destroy welfare
Left: Don't destroy welfare
Solution: Left
Left: Throw rocks at starbucks
Right: Don't throw rocks at starbucks
solution: Right
We're not going to kill 3 million jews instead of 6 million. First we're going to not kill jews, like the lefties want. And then we're going to not seize the factories, like the righties want.
The idea that the middle ground ideology is necessarily best because extremes are bad is fallacious reasoning, regardless of the seriousness of the memes I use to point that out.
It's not fallacious reasoning, it's an observation. Extremists are the worst people in politics, and we don't come to that conclusion from some contrived rationalist symbolic exercise.
And I'll remind you "centrism" which is just a word used by illiberals isn't neutral at all. The liberal society is in opposition to a whole bunch of ideas and attitudes. It is its own extreme.
This isn't even the first time the admins have directly warned them and they've told the admins to Fuck off. The sub still hasn't been banned but clearly the admins just want to oppress these poor lefty subs
All I can really do is laugh. It's nice to see the same smug redditors that would laugh at others who complain about losing their ability to speak getting their own comeup. Freedom of speech (as a social value) cuts both ways. It can either protect both you and your enemies, or neither of you.
Apparently in 2017 the idea of "BASHING THE FASH" has become impolite in neoliberal discourse.
That's not neoliberal. It's just flat out liberalism. That the State keeps a monopoly on violence (except in certain situations e.g. a citizens request) is one of the foundations of a liberal state. Duh.
The Trump panic is getting tiring too. No, society is not imminently going to the Nazis; Trump is nothing special. I'd have loved it if /r/@ had existed during the Bush years. Their hysteria would be amazing.
Chucklefuck hard-leftists seem to think now that "neoliberalism" means, like, Third Way, Clinton/Blairite liberalism, and in turn that everyone to the right of Bernie (and maybe even Bernie) are Third Way "neoliberals." These people are utterly retarded.
Are YOU retarded? The Third way was literally just an attempt at rebranding Noeliberalism to be more acceptable to those parties constituents. This is not even remotely disputable.
1990s voters really wanted leftism, see, but Clinton and Blair cunningly tricked them into voting for moderates instead
Yeah that's why both of them gutted welfare and privatized as much as possible. REALLY LEFTIST, that. Oh and you know the Labour Party expelling most of it's left wing. Totes leftist. I'm curious what you think the "Third way" was a third way between, because it literally meant a third way between Socialism and Conservatism. Again: this is not remotely disputable.
this is a good example of how fraudulent the hard left's self image as these rigorous materialistic "analysts" of policy. in fact Clinton significantly expanded the welfare state on net. the notorious "welfare reform" referred to the replacement of AFDC, an objectively very small part of the overall US welfare state, with a slightly smaller program called TANF. meanwhile, Clinton passed a major new benefit called SCHIP and expanded the EITC. and of course, the actual outcomes Clinton got under Republican congresses did not reflect his true preferences – there was this little thing called HillaryCare that you may have heard of.
Really so where was the repeal of the Taft-Hartley act? Where was the expansion of social security? Where was the nationalization of utilities? Where was expanded regulation? Oh wait, the did literally the exact fucking opposite of all those things. You know what, it's fine if you want to act like Neoliberalism was all fine and dandy but quit pretending that the Third Way was "leftist" in any meaningful sense.
Clinton's efforts in first 2 years of his Presidency were consumed in a full-court press for a major expansion of the welfare state. It failed to achieve popular support, and the conservative/moderate Southern democrats who held the balance of power in the House thus refused to enact it. This played into the subsequent big losses for the Democrats in the 1994 midterms.
The idea that Clinton was then revealed as a perfidious neoliberal stealing bread from the starving poor, because he then failed to get an FDR-style agenda through the fucking Gingrich Revolution Congress, is completely preposterous.
Clinton is open to criticism at the margins, of course. But to a first approximation he did as well as anyone possibly could have done in moving American economic policy in a more leftward direction, given the political and Congressional climate of the time. An openly left-wing president thumping the podium and demanding a Third New Deal almost certainly would have gotten less accomplished for the left, not more.
Lol, nice try. You realize Clinton literally campaigned on the stuff, right? Again: if you like Clinton, fine, but quit trying to make him some misunderstood socialist.
he did as well as anyone possibly could have done in moving American economic policy in a more leftward direction,
TIL the only way to be a Leftist is to enact right-wing economic policies. And you realize that this stuff literally fuels the right, right? People are more likely to support right-wing pseudo-reforms then wishy-washy centrism. No one is ever going to die on a hill for Bill Clinton.
/r/anarchism probably got targeted moreso because its' a serious political sub and not physical removal, CA, or FC because they're meme subs with a bit of seriousness behind them
That or someone got reported posts on /r/anarchism first and thy were just the first to reply and get banned for it.
When you consider advocating for anarchist extremism to be a normal and acceptable thing to do, I suppose even the politically neutral must seem like a lot of fascist oppressors.
Are you an admin who just wants to avoid bad press so you don't piss off the investors of the company you're working for yet again? Literally Franco. Never mind that you've banned subs like /r/altright, which actually called for right-wing violence; you not purging every single froggy meme shitpost made in T_D is the canary call for America's descent into a genocidal totalitarian dystopia.
this is literally their line, though. both Trotsky and Stalin agreed on it, it crippled the German left in the 1930s and directly aided the rise of Hitler. and the modern left's takeaway from the 1930s, incredibly, is that the KPD line was actually good (go read any of /u/mhl67's incredibly dishonest and shoddy posts on the subject in /r/badhistory for a good idea of the flavor.)
both Trotsky and Stalin agreed on it, it crippled the German left in the 1930s and directly aided the rise of Hitler.
Are you stupid or did you just choose not to read my posts?
and the modern left's takeaway from the 1930s, incredibly, is that the KPD line was actually good (go read any of /u/mhl67's incredibly dishonest and shoddy posts on the subject in /r/badhistory for a good idea of the flavor.)
Point 1: The KPD DID attempt to work with the SPD in the 1920s and got little out of it because the SPD was arming right-wing death squads. Who then promptly formed the core of the Nazi Party.
Point 2: The SPD was directly responsible for the rise of the Nazi Party thanks to the aforementioned using right-wing deathsquads who then formed the core of the Nazis. Then when the Depression hit, the SPD outright refused a request from their own trade unions to fund welfare programs, instead choosing to spend money on Battleships. This promptly destroyed most of their support.
Point 3: The KPD DID attempt to work with the SPD in overturning the Preussenslag which effectively made the rise of Hitler inevitable because the State government of Prussia, the largest state in Germany, was placed under dictatorial control enabling them to harshly repress the SPD. The SPD's response? Try to fight them in the courts. Which got them nothing since von Papen was still allowed to control the Prussian state government.
Point 4: TROTSKY AND STALIN HAD DIFFERENT LINES. Shocking as it may seem, Trotsky and Stalin believed different things. Trotsky stuck to the the 1920s line of the United Front, aka working with Labor parties and social democrats in nonrevolutionary situations. Stalin in 1928 overturned the United Front in favor of the "Social Fascism" thesis by which there was to be no cooperation between the two. "Both Trotsky and Stalin agreed on it" is the shoddiest, dumbest takeaway I can possibly imagine from this, like even the "Trotsky and Stalin were totes the same" school is not this dumb. Not to mention Stalin then overturned that line AGAIN in 1935 and implemented the Popular Front by which Communists were to work with literally any nonfascist party. THIS (NOT THE POPULAR FRONT) is considered to be a shit move because it turned the "communist" parties into ineffectual left-liberals and crippled the creation of workers' parties in the US because they rejected independent political action in favor of working with the Democrats.
Point 5: "that the KPD line was actually good". NO. Literally no one believes. The point people are trying to make is COMPARING THE KPD-SPD FEUD WITH PEOPLE REFUSING TO SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS IS INANE AND STUPID. The SPD was a social democratic and left party. The Democrats are not. This is the only reason people are making this comparison. The Democrats are not even social liberal anymore. It is not a situation which is remotely comparable thanks to the Democrats being directly complicit in the structures that are giving rise to the far-right, namely by gutting welfare and public ownership and being more content to defend fascists then the other way around.
Point 7: "go read any of /u/mhl67's incredibly dishonest" How thick are you? I AM A TROTSKYIST. I support the United Front. HENCE I THINK THE KPD SHOULD HAVE WORKED WITH THE SPD. My critique was against the lazy and shoddy assumptions people make about this situation and against the idiotic comparisons with the Democrats. Nice try though, and good job whitewashing the attempt of ECS to brigade my posts (Which incidentally received the mods stamp of approval). Keep arguing and I'll have to make another badhistory post.
it's incredible how bad your grasp of Weimar history is my dude.
there were no "death squads" running around 1920s Weimar Germany you nutter. the "right-wing death squads" were what the SPD turned to in 1919, because there was no-one else available, to crush the Spartacists. the SPD very probably could not have maintained any legitimacy if it had failed to deal with this Bolshevik infestation and had allowed a "dual power" situation to continue. it would have fallen to a new right-wing government which would have crushed the uprising even more harshly. this should have been clear at the time to any rational person, which is why the Spartacists deserve the blame for enabling the German far-right with their incredibly poorly planned revolt, far more than the SPD deserves the blame for taking the only plausible course of action to crush it.
Ebert didn't want to build fucking panzerschiffe, but German voters did. he caved in to the naval building program because it was the only way to retain popular support for his coalition government. this is the second time i've heard you push this completely insane claim that Ebert was some kind of right-wing militarist who prioritized battleships over social programs. you seem to be congenitally incapable of accepting anywhere at any time that The People might not have exactly the left-wing policy preferences your grand theoretical system says they're supposed to.
yes of course Trotsky supported a United Front and Stalin havered over the idea, depending on whether he was more optimistic about weakening the bourgeois democracies with political chaos vs. combating the far right. the point is that Trotsky and the Stalinist KPD agreed on the "fascism is just the immune response of liberal capitalism to an upsurging Left" line, not that they had the same "line" about everything. ffs.
it's incredible how bad your grasp of Weimar history is my dude.
IIRC your posts on the subject were so bad and full of nothing but ad hominems that the mods removed them, but nice try.
because there was no-one else available, to crush the Spartacists.
THERE WAS NO "NEED" TO CRUSH THE SPARTACISTS. The "uprising" was a popular revolt by the SPDs own constituents over the SPDs own refusal to reform the government. But sure, lets call in right-wing death squads armed with fucking Mark-IV tanks against mostly unarmed demonstrators.
the SPD very probably could not have maintained any legitimacy if it had failed to deal with this Bolshevik infestation
They were literally in control of the state. They had all the "legitimacy" they required. More to the point: the Army and Friekorps didn't give a shit anyway, they tried to overthrow the government anyway, and guess what? They only were stopped by another popular revolt!
allowed a "dual power" situation to continue
Yes, lets crush the more democratic government that literally put us in power in favor of a government virtually identical to the imperial one! Which incidentally will be full of exactly the type of people who will aid the rise of Fascism!
it would have fallen to a new right-wing government which would have crushed the uprising even more harshly.
Except for, you know, them trying to do that ANYWAY. And fucking failing.
which is why the Spartacists deserve the blame for enabling the German far-right with their incredibly poorly planned revolt
Lol, there was no Spartacist "revolt". There is literally no documentary evidence of a planned revolt, it was a spontaneous reaction to the dismissal of Emil Eichorn. And I like too that somehow it's the fault of the Left that the government armed proto-fascists and sent them to murder 5,000+. "Stop making me hit you", much?
far more than the SPD deserves the blame for taking the only plausible course of action to crush it.
Here's an idea: STICK TO WHAT THEIR OWN FUCKING CONSTITUENTS WANTED IN THE SPD'S OWN FUCKING PROGRAM.
Ebert didn't want to build fucking panzerschiffe, but German voters did
Yeah that's why the SPD's vote fell by half, mkay.
this is the second time i've heard you push this completely insane claim that Ebert was some kind of right-wing militarist who prioritized battleships over social programs.
THEY LITERALLY DID PRIORITIZE BATTLESHIPS OVER SOCIAL PROGRAMS.
yes of course Trotsky supported a United Front and Stalin havered over the idea, depending on whether he was more optimistic about weakening the bourgeois democracies with political chaos vs. combating the far right. the point is that Trotsky and the Stalinist KPD agreed on the "fascism is just the immune response of liberal capitalism to an upsurging Left" line, not that they had the same "line" about everything. ffs.
Nice job moving the goalposts, considering your original claim was that Trotsky said the KPD and SPD shouldn't work together. Oh, and incidentally YOU'RE STILL WRONG. Trotsky said Fascism was the response of the Petty Bourgeoisie to the crisis of capitalism, whereas Stalin said that Fascism was the creation of capitalism to fight the left. But nice try.
The Ebert-Scheidemann Government has rendered itself impossible. It is hereby declared deposed by the undersigned Revolutionary Committee
Revolution has broken out in Germany. The masses have risen; the soldiers ... and the workers[.] The hour for action has struck for the International. We call on you to elect everywhere Workers’ and Soldiers’ Councils which will take political power into their own hands ... Only beneath the triumphant flag of the Socialist world revolution should peace be made
but then when these guys turned out to be really fucking bad at revolution, whoops, they were unarmed protestors peacefully marching! lmfao
the rise of the Internet Dirtbag Left over the last 10 years or so has been really something else. like Noam Chomsky used to be the crazy one and now he looks like a fuckin boring moderate
I sent the admins some links with more calls to violence.
Hopefully r/anarchism finally get's banned.
I'd be happy to be responsible for r/@ getting banned.
Liberals complaining about right wing bias and censorship on reddit is one of the most ironic things ive ever heard. The cognitive dissonance is so real, in what world is reddit right leaning? Lmao
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n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-03-29
The only thing that trigglypuff is gonna bash is another bucket of tendies.
n/a Matues49 2017-03-29
She would, but she dropped them all.
n/a Drugsmakemehappy 2017-03-29
m8 I will fucking destroy you
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-03-29
Hi maru
n/a Drugsmakemehappy 2017-03-29
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n/a AryaSnarker 2017-03-29
I almost pitied you. Alas, your silent screams will be a symphony I cannot share.
MARU DIED FOR OUR SINS.
n/a Auctoritate 2017-03-29
What did I just watch?
n/a Kahina91 2017-03-29
Weeb degeneracy
n/a Pencilchuckers 2017-03-29
BASH THE FASH
n/a TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-03-29
he's going to be raging in mommy's basement all night
n/a burinsan 2017-03-29
mom is gonna have to take her credit card back if you dont quiet down
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-03-29
Rage Against the Bedtimes!
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-03-29
Woah here we go! Let the drama begin.
n/a cptAustria 2017-03-29
Decent if correct
n/a yonicthehedgehog 2017-03-29
huge if factual
n/a Eight_Ace 2017-03-29
Was expecting the sub to get nuked - still drama is drama I suppose.
n/a TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-03-29
it probably will as long as they pretend the current state of affairs can continue
n/a Eight_Ace 2017-03-29
So we have to wait until /u/marusama 's alt gets introduced as a 'new mod'? I can't wait that long!
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-03-29
BAN 👏🏿 EVASION 👏🏿
n/a usedontheskin 2017-03-29
Is /u/mrsamsa /u/marusama's alt?
n/a mrsamsa 2017-03-29
Everyone is my alt.
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-03-29
same
n/a mrsamsa 2017-03-29
Well of course because you're my alt.
n/a cole1114 2017-03-29
We're only about a month out from a bunch of subs getting in trouble. I think it's april 26th when any subs using a banbot to automatically ban people that have never posted on the sub get in trouble.
n/a guyjin 2017-03-29
Wait what?
n/a Spectre_06 2017-03-29
wot u say fgt it
No, really. Wat?
n/a cole1114 2017-03-29
Yeah, the rules changed on banning people for things they posted on other subreddits. The admins do not seem happy about it, especially automatic ban bots for posting on subs like tia.
n/a BasicallyADoctor 2017-03-29
First they should ban anarchy. Then they should ban the Donald. Finally they should ban drama 😂
n/a HAHApointsatyou 2017-03-29
support
n/a ComedicSans 2017-03-29
Double support.
n/a DistortedLines 2017-03-29
Oppose, comrade
n/a going_for_a_wank 2017-03-29
FASH DETECTED
n/a TonyFuckingDanza 2017-03-29
TODAY I CAN"T BASH. MY GASH HAS A RASH.
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-03-29
tbh the admins should just ban every sub except for /r/furry_irl. Then this place will finally be good.
n/a Nomadlads 2017-03-29
And subs with pupper pictures. They're pretty much what gets me through my life.
n/a xX69_0n3_ha1f_cup_Xx 2017-03-29
Isn't that /r/furry_irl?
n/a theherps 2017-03-29
Just switch the mod lists of the 2 for a day.
Can you imagine the asspain
n/a niggerpenis 2017-03-29
/u/spez plz
I'll buy two years of (((reddit gold))) right now if you do this.
n/a hugefuckingfaggot2 2017-03-29
would be a pretty great april fools prank tbh. even better if they didnt ban the subs but kept the mods that way. it would be pretty fucking crazy
n/a Awayfone 2017-03-29
Like they would not just shut down the subreddit . Fash have no rights to beon the Web (or in life)
n/a guyjin 2017-03-29
Even better: swap mods of SRD and the one true /r/drama
n/a guyjin 2017-03-29
The only question is, would the anarchism mods publish the daily instructions from moscow that T_D gets, or would they try to get in on it?
n/a autistitron 2017-03-29
That's nothing compared to a mod switch between /r/the_Donald and /r/politics
n/a theherps 2017-03-29
My body is ready
n/a cptAustria 2017-03-29
Since when is your cancerous ass here?
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-03-29
I'm all for this.
n/a John_Ketch 2017-03-29
Time for more retarded tankies and anarkids to whine here like the last thread.
F
n/a hugefuckingfaggot2 2017-03-29
CONSTANT RETARDATION when the faggy prince inevitably falls for your bait again
n/a John_Ketch 2017-03-29
Dude, I was gonna fuck with him again! Now our sweet prince will fall for another hook...
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n/a carkidd3242 2017-03-29
DID SOMEONE SAY GAMERGATE
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-03-29
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n/a ScootR- 2017-03-29
We've come full circle. What's the one above the latest Gamgergate? Borders?
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-03-29
"Bernie Sanders." both red words are from the same post. from this thread
So far we've only got GG, Pizzagate, Bernie, and now GG again.
n/a ScootR- 2017-03-29
Oh hey that's me what up
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-03-29
Oh yeah it is. What a small world we live in, huh?
n/a Thhueros 2017-03-29
PK DEFENSE FORCE ACTIVATED
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-03-29
Save anarcho-Jesus from these heretics!
n/a ThatDamnedImp 2017-03-29
I'm pretty sure that his 'defense force' is just 5-6 alts. I have never seen any downvoting against him until he shows up himself. That says 'alts' to me.
n/a Thhueros 2017-03-29
Hey fuck you. Me and /u/Sarge_Ward aren't alts.
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-03-29
lmao what
okay first of all do you really think we go around downvoting anything anti-PK? I made the sub mostly as a joke based off of /r/riemannDefenseForce. I didn't even expect to get more than 3 subs, let alone the 9 we have.
but mainly, you do realise this sub has other leftist/anarchist users other than PK, right? Basically half of /r/LeftWithoutEdge is subbed here. So yeah of course some people are going to side with him sometimes. (I usually do like 3/4 of the time, since sometimes he says some really stupid berniebro tier shit.)
n/a riemann1413 2017-03-29
except /r/riemannDefenseForce is not a joke
it's very real
n/a Kazimir-Malevich 2017-03-29
Holy shit
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-03-29
Did it come off as mad? I didn't mean for it to. Oops
n/a portodhamma 2017-03-29
Hello I am subscriber number 9 greetings
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-03-29
Hey man whats up!
Its so awesome having so many people come aboard and have fun in my silly little community. Hope you enjoy your stay there!
n/a Prince_Kropotkin 2017-03-29
are you accusing Sarge and Thhueros of being my alts?
hahahahaha
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-03-29
No Prince don't you see, I'm your alt-account that was created over a year before your actual account so that I could spread your commie agenda over in /r/montageparodies (the first place I posted in)
n/a Prince_Kropotkin 2017-03-29
this conspiracy goes deeper than we... I mean I thought.
n/a Borigrad 2017-03-29
Well you see, there is one subreddit with like 100 subscribers on the right that does it to, so it's the same.
n/a Yiffest 2017-03-29
I'm just wondering what /r/Anarchism has to actually do at this point to get banned. Apparently posting instructions to carry out terrorist attacks, refusing to enforce site-wide rules, and encouraging it's American users to commit felonies and buy guns illegally isn't enough.
Maybe harassing users they don't like with death threats like LSWE did?
n/a ChipChippersonAMA 2017-03-29
Ya that xmarxthespot was posting literal calls for violence against the general populace and they never did anything to him
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-03-29
He eventually deleted his own account out of shame, though
n/a TheRootinTootinPutin 2017-03-29
Shame of losing a superiority-deciding match of connect 4, though.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-03-29
understandable
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a Ikea_Man 2017-03-29
Hold on, how many man enter again?
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-03-29
"Listen on! Listen on! This is the truth of it. Fighting leads to killing, and killing gets to warring, and that was damn near the death of us all. Look at us now, busted up and everyone talking about hard rain! But we've learned! By the dust of them all, Bartertown learned. Now, when men get to fighting, it happens here, and it finishes here! Two men enter; one man leaves."
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-03-29
BUST A DEAL... FACE THE WHEEL!
n/a Peetrius 2017-03-29
I've been told that two men enter and one man leave
n/a guyjin 2017-03-29
What?
n/a going_for_a_wank 2017-03-29
Two man enter, one man leave.
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-03-29
Bullying is both necessary and a moral imperative.
n/a hugefuckingfaggot2 2017-03-29
probably there are not enough people actually reporting that shit to the admins. we need at least 10 people to actively browse /r/anarchism and report rule breaking conduct. unfortunately i wouldnt ask my worst enemy to browse /r/anarchism so i cant see many people doing that.
n/a AwwUrCute_hun 2017-03-29
I browse their occasionally when I'm feeling low on autism. Some of there mods posted dox a few months back and I emailed the admins and got them perm suspended lol. Not sure why they haven't been banned yet but it's hilarious how retarded they are.
n/a zahlman 2017-03-29
I reported something once and got a form reply and no evidence that any action was ever taken.
n/a Pokarnor 2017-03-29
Can't you see the admins haven't taken action against r/Anarchism because of their blatant Fascist violence?
n/a trj820 2017-03-29
Horseshoe Theory?
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-03-29
PRO HORSESHOE
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
*IN THE POCKET OF BIG SMITHIES
n/a 12broombroom 2017-03-29
If the admins are being smart here (big if) then this could be them getting their ducks in a row to ban r/anarchism. Banning LWSE was an easy sell since the sub was explicitly dedicated to breaking their no calls to violence rule, but banning anarchism would face more backlash since it's more of a "political" sub, so they might be taking baby steps so that once the hammer drops they can be like "we gave them the opportunity to change but they wouldn't".
Otherwise the admins are just being retarded, which is totally possible. They've thrown plausible deniability out the window at this point so they might be able to be held liable if one of those retards takes a pressure cooker full of marbles to a trump rally.
n/a TraurigAberWahr 2017-03-29
I don't like the idea of banning subreddits. Instead admins should just replace the whole mod team with mods from the respective opposing team.
/r/anarchism being modded by a (un)healthy mix of /r/libertarian, /r/the_donald, /r/economics.
n/a giroth 2017-03-29
Seconded.
We all know the /r/drama mod team consists entirely of admin alts. They use us to take the pulse of Reddit, and they will almost certainly implement this immediately.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
no, the admins are alts created by /r/drama
n/a HubbaMaBubba 2017-03-29
Especially when it's for something stupid like brigading. Unless the topic is inherently ban worthy don't ban the whole subreddit.
n/a glmox 2017-03-29
terrorism is good tho
n/a Borigrad 2017-03-29
I think it was /r/anarchism, but one of these communist subreddits were teaching people how to make homemade napalm.
n/a EllenPaosFrontButt 2017-03-29
Impressive! That doesn't imply a double standard or anything.
n/a autistitron 2017-03-29
To get banned, /r/Anarchism has to get noticed in the media, whether it's a random news piece or a /r/Anarchism member doing mass shooting.
Basically they do whatever gets them less heat, the heat of bad publicity outweighs the heat from banning the sub.
n/a botchlings 2017-03-29
Vote brigading. That seems to be the only reason subs get banned.
n/a KT-47 2017-03-29
just gonna pop in and say: fuck drumpf and fuck white people
edit: thanks for the gold, kind stranger
n/a LLAXIS 2017-03-29
/r/freemaru
/u/Marusama did nothing wrong
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-03-29
I reported it to the admins rofl
n/a [deleted] 2017-03-29
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n/a mynamehasnonumbers 2017-03-29
Yo, very avid proviolence proanarchism guy here, and I very much enjoy(ed?) this subreddit, but I really wonder what the mod team thought was gonna happen.
n/a HAHApointsatyou 2017-03-29
the mod team thinks?
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-03-29
"Whatcha gonna do, ban me?"
-Quote from man banned
n/a niggerpenis 2017-03-29
Truly a modern day Che Guevara.
n/a Cleverly_Clearly 2017-03-29
I really want to see what happens next. They can't continue in this way without repurcussions. Something's got to give.
n/a Arathian 2017-03-29
They are anarchists that's not their forte.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
what's it like to be utterly retaded
n/a mynamehasnonumbers 2017-03-29
Blissful
n/a Until_it_snacks 2017-03-29
/u/marusama was not a mod there
n/a hugefuckingfaggot2 2017-03-29
/u/spez please for the love of god ban /u/-Enkara- and all his alts asap.
n/a LLAXIS 2017-03-29
I don't really follow the commie/anarchist drama, but I thought /u/-Enkara- was a woman?
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-03-29
Wow did you just assume xir's gender?
n/a LLAXIS 2017-03-29
How original
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-03-29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Gd1w8ldw4
n/a zahlman 2017-03-29
I'm pretty sure "xir" is already possessive and no "'s" is necessary.
n/a going_for_a_wank 2017-03-29
Fresh meme, friend
n/a theherps 2017-03-29
>wanting to ban lolcows
As much as I'd love to see reddit physically remove /u/-Enkara- it's more fun to constantly watch her flailing
n/a Thhueros 2017-03-29
I don't think so. /u/-Enkara- is stale by now. Look at their comments. Its just the same thing everytime. Time to put this lolcow down.
n/a hugefuckingfaggot2 2017-03-29
Retard. Banning /u/-Enkara- would cause more drama than what we have right now.
n/a theherps 2017-03-29
Big if tru
n/a hugefuckingfaggot2 2017-03-29
this but unironically
n/a Standard12 2017-03-29
God, shut the fuck up.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-03-29
That's not a very nice thing to say to a benevolent omnipresent deity.
n/a Standard12 2017-03-29
Oops.
n/a dogcatbirdplane 2017-03-29
Honestly I need to cum dude
n/a pepperouchau 2017-03-29
He had it coming tbh
n/a nalalacjek 2017-03-29
This but ironically.
n/a hugefuckingfaggot2 2017-03-29
big if tru
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-03-29
Where
do
you
think
we
are?
n/a zahlman 2017-03-29
reddit
physically remove
How would that even work
n/a theherps 2017-03-29
Lrn 2 meme nerd
n/a alexmikli 2017-03-29
physical removal and helicopter throwing is the capitalism meme answer to gulaging/fash bashing
n/a ThatDamnedImp 2017-03-29
There's what's good for the sub, and there's what's good for humanity as a whole.
Sometimes you just got to take the hit.
n/a John_Ketch 2017-03-29
They realise it's just an Internet forum right?
n/a izuerial 2017-03-29
No, it's a battle between good and evil, or as I like to call it, normies versus the REEEEEE
n/a ThatDamnedImp 2017-03-29
I get you, and you're definitely right in this specific instances.
But much of the 'planning' for the American revolution was just drunken bar talk. Don't underestimate the ability of small rocks to gather big ones as they tumble down the hill.
n/a John_Ketch 2017-03-29
n/a Auctoritate 2017-03-29
Yeah, and the only reason that was possible is because significant people, power players in America, were present. Unless one of the mods is a secret billionaire, they're not going to be planning a revolution any time soon.
n/a HivemindBuster 2017-03-29
/r/anarchism in a nutshell
n/a carkidd3242 2017-03-29
Fuck free speech, how dare they censor us
n/a HivemindBuster 2017-03-29
/u/-Enkara- what's it like to be the one getting triggered over muh freeze peach? Sorry you're so beholden to archaic liberal values, philistine.
n/a ShiguruiX 2017-03-29
Video demonstration
n/a grafton29 2017-03-29
Why dont mods just ban this fucking subs? They are nothing but trouble, same for the incels subs and the far right subs. Just ban them, they aren't worth the trouble keeping around.
n/a ScootR- 2017-03-29
I'd imagine it's
1) the admins are lazy as shit. There are articles that talk about staff being drunk in the workplace, lots of layoffs and people quitting, and frustrations from lower level staff at how little management helps.
2) they don't want to deal with the drama of banning political subs because that's even more of a hornet's nest than banning Coontown or FPH. Although idk how they haven't banned /r/incels or any of their weird offshoots because those guys routinely talk about raping women and going Elliot Rodgers on some motherfuckers and /r/incels isn't even an ideology where people would scream "CENSORSHIP!"
n/a ThatDamnedImp 2017-03-29
Because banning a bunch of crazy people who gather together to talk about rape and violence, will likely lead some of those people to act out in the real world because they don't have their outlet any more.
n/a going_for_a_wank 2017-03-29
Letting /r/incels stick around and radicalize more people might be worse over the long term. Maybe it is an FBI honeypot?
n/a lifesbrink 2017-03-29
Eh, they won't ever do more than whine on the internet. Incels are cowards, not able to withstand the idea of even going outside to do normal things, let alone anything harmful.
n/a going_for_a_wank 2017-03-29
Maybe? Elliot Rodger would disagree, and I hear that you cannot dodge him.
n/a lifesbrink 2017-03-29
Isn't he dead?
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
1) cannot be emphasized enough. this is a retarded website that got popular by accident in spite of the crippling incompetence of the people who run it.
n/a FlaccidFlamingo 2017-03-29
This bodes well for my incompetence. Maybe I can get rich from dumb luck too!
n/a EndiaBanana 2017-03-29
What's this, a centrist in the wild perpetuating the myth of the golden mean?
n/a grafton29 2017-03-29
I support the democratic party, i wouldn't really call myself all that much of a centrist. Ban incels, that place is a festering shithole. Same goes for r anarchy and far righy subs.
n/a Terry_Samuel 2017-03-29
This is such a strawman. "Centrists" aren't advocating literal averages, we'll take a position from an "extreme" side if it's a good position.
Right: Destroy welfare
Left: Don't destroy welfare
Solution: Left
Left: Throw rocks at starbucks
Right: Don't throw rocks at starbucks
solution: Right
We're not going to kill 3 million jews instead of 6 million. First we're going to not kill jews, like the lefties want. And then we're going to not seize the factories, like the righties want.
n/a EndiaBanana 2017-03-29
The idea that the middle ground ideology is necessarily best because extremes are bad is fallacious reasoning, regardless of the seriousness of the memes I use to point that out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
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n/a Terry_Samuel 2017-03-29
It's not fallacious reasoning, it's an observation. Extremists are the worst people in politics, and we don't come to that conclusion from some contrived rationalist symbolic exercise.
And I'll remind you "centrism" which is just a word used by illiberals isn't neutral at all. The liberal society is in opposition to a whole bunch of ideas and attitudes. It is its own extreme.
n/a iiiiiiiiiiiijiii 2017-03-29
The stakes have never been lower
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-03-29
BASH MY BUSSY FAM
I won't like it but you can do it
n/a burinsan 2017-03-29
lets go
n/a usedontheskin 2017-03-29
F
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n/a theherps 2017-03-29
>people unironically care this much about reddit
n/a respaaaaaj 2017-03-29
Man if the fash bashers get themselves banned before the fash the drama will be fucking amazing
n/a headasplodes 2017-03-29
This isn't even the first time the admins have directly warned them and they've told the admins to Fuck off. The sub still hasn't been banned but clearly the admins just want to oppress these poor lefty subs
n/a guyjin 2017-03-29
Do you have a link to the last season's drama? I wanna get caught up before binge watching the current one
n/a 80BAIT08 2017-03-29
One commie down.
n/a Thhueros 2017-03-29
https://www.reddit.com/r/freemaru/comments/629t4g/found_at_local_protest_event/
xd
n/a jubbergun 2017-03-29
That looks like a poorly done photoshop.
n/a p00bix 2017-03-29
That's cause it is.
n/a butterflyandthebee 2017-03-29
All I can really do is laugh. It's nice to see the same smug redditors that would laugh at others who complain about losing their ability to speak getting their own comeup. Freedom of speech (as a social value) cuts both ways. It can either protect both you and your enemies, or neither of you.
That's not neoliberal. It's just flat out liberalism. That the State keeps a monopoly on violence (except in certain situations e.g. a citizens request) is one of the foundations of a liberal state. Duh.
The Trump panic is getting tiring too. No, society is not imminently going to the Nazis; Trump is nothing special. I'd have loved it if /r/@ had existed during the Bush years. Their hysteria would be amazing.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
Chucklefuck hard-leftists seem to think now that "neoliberalism" means, like, Third Way, Clinton/Blairite liberalism, and in turn that everyone to the right of Bernie (and maybe even Bernie) are Third Way "neoliberals." These people are utterly retarded.
n/a mhl67 2017-03-29
Are YOU retarded? The Third way was literally just an attempt at rebranding Noeliberalism to be more acceptable to those parties constituents. This is not even remotely disputable.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
this is so hilariously backwards
1990s voters really wanted leftism, see, but Clinton and Blair cunningly tricked them into voting for moderates instead
n/a mhl67 2017-03-29
Yeah that's why both of them gutted welfare and privatized as much as possible. REALLY LEFTIST, that. Oh and you know the Labour Party expelling most of it's left wing. Totes leftist. I'm curious what you think the "Third way" was a third way between, because it literally meant a third way between Socialism and Conservatism. Again: this is not remotely disputable.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
this is a good example of how fraudulent the hard left's self image as these rigorous materialistic "analysts" of policy. in fact Clinton significantly expanded the welfare state on net. the notorious "welfare reform" referred to the replacement of AFDC, an objectively very small part of the overall US welfare state, with a slightly smaller program called TANF. meanwhile, Clinton passed a major new benefit called SCHIP and expanded the EITC. and of course, the actual outcomes Clinton got under Republican congresses did not reflect his true preferences – there was this little thing called HillaryCare that you may have heard of.
n/a mhl67 2017-03-29
Really so where was the repeal of the Taft-Hartley act? Where was the expansion of social security? Where was the nationalization of utilities? Where was expanded regulation? Oh wait, the did literally the exact fucking opposite of all those things. You know what, it's fine if you want to act like Neoliberalism was all fine and dandy but quit pretending that the Third Way was "leftist" in any meaningful sense.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
Clinton's efforts in first 2 years of his Presidency were consumed in a full-court press for a major expansion of the welfare state. It failed to achieve popular support, and the conservative/moderate Southern democrats who held the balance of power in the House thus refused to enact it. This played into the subsequent big losses for the Democrats in the 1994 midterms.
The idea that Clinton was then revealed as a perfidious neoliberal stealing bread from the starving poor, because he then failed to get an FDR-style agenda through the fucking Gingrich Revolution Congress, is completely preposterous.
Clinton is open to criticism at the margins, of course. But to a first approximation he did as well as anyone possibly could have done in moving American economic policy in a more leftward direction, given the political and Congressional climate of the time. An openly left-wing president thumping the podium and demanding a Third New Deal almost certainly would have gotten less accomplished for the left, not more.
n/a mhl67 2017-03-29
Lol, nice try. You realize Clinton literally campaigned on the stuff, right? Again: if you like Clinton, fine, but quit trying to make him some misunderstood socialist.
TIL the only way to be a Leftist is to enact right-wing economic policies. And you realize that this stuff literally fuels the right, right? People are more likely to support right-wing pseudo-reforms then wishy-washy centrism. No one is ever going to die on a hill for Bill Clinton.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
It really sounds like you've got nothing here.
n/a Teresa_May 2017-03-29
/u/EvanHarper claimed he was a centre-left moderate, not a socialist.
I don't think anyone would claim Clinton was a socialist. He won a free and fair election, after all - and he did it twice!
n/a sombresobriquet 2017-03-29
Delete your comments. This is super embarrassing for you.
n/a mhl67 2017-03-29
Then why isn't physical_removal banned? The mods are content to let right-wing violent subs stay.
n/a Yiffest 2017-03-29
dae self-defense from far-left violence is just as bad as far-left violence?!?!
n/a mhl67 2017-03-29
Lol, "self-defence"? They make memes about Pinochet.
n/a Yiffest 2017-03-29
Are you implying Saint Augusto (pbuh) wasn't defending Chile from communist violence?
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-03-29
memes are basically violence.
n/a alexmikli 2017-03-29
they're basically the capitalism version of /r/completeanarchy and /r/fullcommunism. The later makes memes about the holodomor and North Korea
n/a mhl67 2017-03-29
So what? That's just a tu quoque.
n/a alexmikli 2017-03-29
/r/anarchism probably got targeted moreso because its' a serious political sub and not physical removal, CA, or FC because they're meme subs with a bit of seriousness behind them
That or someone got reported posts on /r/anarchism first and thy were just the first to reply and get banned for it.
n/a butterflyandthebee 2017-03-29
If that's the case it should go too.
n/a TheTrueNobody 2017-03-29
Gotta love internet tough guys. Thinking they're some kind of street warrior when they haven't seen their feet in ages.
n/a Oxus007 2017-03-29
It was fun banning him srd back in the day.
n/a Nechaev 2017-03-29
very, very
n/a darth_stroyer 2017-03-29
Reddit is full of Nazis
Banning /r/@ will cause the death of the platform
Idjuts
n/a Scummy_mofo 2017-03-29
Oh shit, this lovely gem from /r/freemaru
http://i.imgur.com/Tx8CUMH.png
n/a burinsan 2017-03-29
YOU WILL ALL DIE FOR BANNING MEEEEEE ALLLL OF YOUUUUUUUU
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
"you have been permanently banned"
"I refuse to participate on principle"
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n/a dongas420 2017-03-29
When you consider advocating for anarchist extremism to be a normal and acceptable thing to do, I suppose even the politically neutral must seem like a lot of fascist oppressors.
Are you an admin who just wants to avoid bad press so you don't piss off the investors of the company you're working for yet again? Literally Franco. Never mind that you've banned subs like /r/altright, which actually called for right-wing violence; you not purging every single froggy meme shitpost made in T_D is the canary call for America's descent into a genocidal totalitarian dystopia.
n/a bunker_man 2017-03-29
Why do you think the far left uses the word liberal as if liberal, conservative, and fascist are all barely different?
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
this is literally their line, though. both Trotsky and Stalin agreed on it, it crippled the German left in the 1930s and directly aided the rise of Hitler. and the modern left's takeaway from the 1930s, incredibly, is that the KPD line was actually good (go read any of /u/mhl67's incredibly dishonest and shoddy posts on the subject in /r/badhistory for a good idea of the flavor.)
n/a mhl67 2017-03-29
Are you stupid or did you just choose not to read my posts?
Point 1: The KPD DID attempt to work with the SPD in the 1920s and got little out of it because the SPD was arming right-wing death squads. Who then promptly formed the core of the Nazi Party.
Point 2: The SPD was directly responsible for the rise of the Nazi Party thanks to the aforementioned using right-wing deathsquads who then formed the core of the Nazis. Then when the Depression hit, the SPD outright refused a request from their own trade unions to fund welfare programs, instead choosing to spend money on Battleships. This promptly destroyed most of their support.
Point 3: The KPD DID attempt to work with the SPD in overturning the Preussenslag which effectively made the rise of Hitler inevitable because the State government of Prussia, the largest state in Germany, was placed under dictatorial control enabling them to harshly repress the SPD. The SPD's response? Try to fight them in the courts. Which got them nothing since von Papen was still allowed to control the Prussian state government.
Point 4: TROTSKY AND STALIN HAD DIFFERENT LINES. Shocking as it may seem, Trotsky and Stalin believed different things. Trotsky stuck to the the 1920s line of the United Front, aka working with Labor parties and social democrats in nonrevolutionary situations. Stalin in 1928 overturned the United Front in favor of the "Social Fascism" thesis by which there was to be no cooperation between the two. "Both Trotsky and Stalin agreed on it" is the shoddiest, dumbest takeaway I can possibly imagine from this, like even the "Trotsky and Stalin were totes the same" school is not this dumb. Not to mention Stalin then overturned that line AGAIN in 1935 and implemented the Popular Front by which Communists were to work with literally any nonfascist party. THIS (NOT THE POPULAR FRONT) is considered to be a shit move because it turned the "communist" parties into ineffectual left-liberals and crippled the creation of workers' parties in the US because they rejected independent political action in favor of working with the Democrats.
Point 5: "that the KPD line was actually good". NO. Literally no one believes. The point people are trying to make is COMPARING THE KPD-SPD FEUD WITH PEOPLE REFUSING TO SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS IS INANE AND STUPID. The SPD was a social democratic and left party. The Democrats are not. This is the only reason people are making this comparison. The Democrats are not even social liberal anymore. It is not a situation which is remotely comparable thanks to the Democrats being directly complicit in the structures that are giving rise to the far-right, namely by gutting welfare and public ownership and being more content to defend fascists then the other way around.
Point 7: "go read any of /u/mhl67's incredibly dishonest" How thick are you? I AM A TROTSKYIST. I support the United Front. HENCE I THINK THE KPD SHOULD HAVE WORKED WITH THE SPD. My critique was against the lazy and shoddy assumptions people make about this situation and against the idiotic comparisons with the Democrats. Nice try though, and good job whitewashing the attempt of ECS to brigade my posts (Which incidentally received the mods stamp of approval). Keep arguing and I'll have to make another badhistory post.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
it's incredible how bad your grasp of Weimar history is my dude.
there were no "death squads" running around 1920s Weimar Germany you nutter. the "right-wing death squads" were what the SPD turned to in 1919, because there was no-one else available, to crush the Spartacists. the SPD very probably could not have maintained any legitimacy if it had failed to deal with this Bolshevik infestation and had allowed a "dual power" situation to continue. it would have fallen to a new right-wing government which would have crushed the uprising even more harshly. this should have been clear at the time to any rational person, which is why the Spartacists deserve the blame for enabling the German far-right with their incredibly poorly planned revolt, far more than the SPD deserves the blame for taking the only plausible course of action to crush it.
Ebert didn't want to build fucking panzerschiffe, but German voters did. he caved in to the naval building program because it was the only way to retain popular support for his coalition government. this is the second time i've heard you push this completely insane claim that Ebert was some kind of right-wing militarist who prioritized battleships over social programs. you seem to be congenitally incapable of accepting anywhere at any time that The People might not have exactly the left-wing policy preferences your grand theoretical system says they're supposed to.
yes of course Trotsky supported a United Front and Stalin havered over the idea, depending on whether he was more optimistic about weakening the bourgeois democracies with political chaos vs. combating the far right. the point is that Trotsky and the Stalinist KPD agreed on the "fascism is just the immune response of liberal capitalism to an upsurging Left" line, not that they had the same "line" about everything. ffs.
n/a mhl67 2017-03-29
IIRC your posts on the subject were so bad and full of nothing but ad hominems that the mods removed them, but nice try.
THERE WAS NO "NEED" TO CRUSH THE SPARTACISTS. The "uprising" was a popular revolt by the SPDs own constituents over the SPDs own refusal to reform the government. But sure, lets call in right-wing death squads armed with fucking Mark-IV tanks against mostly unarmed demonstrators.
They were literally in control of the state. They had all the "legitimacy" they required. More to the point: the Army and Friekorps didn't give a shit anyway, they tried to overthrow the government anyway, and guess what? They only were stopped by another popular revolt!
Yes, lets crush the more democratic government that literally put us in power in favor of a government virtually identical to the imperial one! Which incidentally will be full of exactly the type of people who will aid the rise of Fascism!
Except for, you know, them trying to do that ANYWAY. And fucking failing.
Lol, there was no Spartacist "revolt". There is literally no documentary evidence of a planned revolt, it was a spontaneous reaction to the dismissal of Emil Eichorn. And I like too that somehow it's the fault of the Left that the government armed proto-fascists and sent them to murder 5,000+. "Stop making me hit you", much?
Here's an idea: STICK TO WHAT THEIR OWN FUCKING CONSTITUENTS WANTED IN THE SPD'S OWN FUCKING PROGRAM.
Yeah that's why the SPD's vote fell by half, mkay.
THEY LITERALLY DID PRIORITIZE BATTLESHIPS OVER SOCIAL PROGRAMS.
Nice job moving the goalposts, considering your original claim was that Trotsky said the KPD and SPD shouldn't work together. Oh, and incidentally YOU'RE STILL WRONG. Trotsky said Fascism was the response of the Petty Bourgeoisie to the crisis of capitalism, whereas Stalin said that Fascism was the creation of capitalism to fight the left. But nice try.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
but then when these guys turned out to be really fucking bad at revolution, whoops, they were unarmed protestors peacefully marching! lmfao
n/a mhl67 2017-03-29
How is this anything? This was a post-facto declaration which says nothing except transferring power to the already existing workers' councils.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
yeah it wasn't because they were the government in power when the Great Fucking Depression hit, no, it was definitely the panzerschiffe
n/a mhl67 2017-03-29
Yeah I'm sure flatly turning down their own constituents request for welfare in the midst of the great depression had nothing to do with it, mkay.
n/a matrix2002 2017-03-29
Holy fuck any anarchism subreddit is just a shit whole of idiocy and hypocrisy.
Probably the worst people I have ever encountered on reddit.
Arrogant, mean, elitist, negative, and so so so so hypocritical.
Would love to see them all get banned.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-03-29
the rise of the Internet Dirtbag Left over the last 10 years or so has been really something else. like Noam Chomsky used to be the crazy one and now he looks like a fuckin boring moderate
n/a Pappy_StrideRite 2017-03-29
'suspended'?! when the fuck was anyone else given a time out instead of being permanently banned?
n/a timothy1982 2017-03-29
Suspended is fancy term for "ban"
n/a Deity_Of_Darkness 2017-03-29
I sent the admins some links with more calls to violence. Hopefully r/anarchism finally get's banned. I'd be happy to be responsible for r/@ getting banned.
n/a donaldthelion 2017-03-29
u/-Enkara- How long have you been off your meds
n/a i_lick_fedoras 2017-03-29
wtf I love free speech now - /r/anarchism
n/a nomad1c 2017-03-29
why can't i attack someone i disagree with abloo bloo
n/a StopTalkingOK 2017-03-29
U/thedaggestofnabbets you're a disgrace to your grandfather
n/a Lawless00 2017-03-29
Death to r/@
n/a WokeAsFuck 2017-03-29
/u/TheDaggestOfNabbits did he go around pepper spraying old civilians like your favourite cunts do?
Some delusions of grandeur in that thread.
n/a damn_it_so_much 2017-03-29
BASH THE FASH
n/a Insanity_Pills 2017-03-29
Liberals complaining about right wing bias and censorship on reddit is one of the most ironic things ive ever heard. The cognitive dissonance is so real, in what world is reddit right leaning? Lmao
n/a betazoom78 2017-03-29
Ah yes I can't forget the time that Reddit didn't bash the fash known as r/altright oh wait. They fucking did.
n/a JumbledFun 2017-03-29
I would be $20 /u/-Enkara- is on welfare, she seems so dysfunctional as a person
n/a MacMillan_the_First 2017-03-29
r/Anarchism
Because fighting extremism with extremism is definitely a great tactic.