/u/marusama, mod of /r/anarchism, has been suspended for refusing to enforce reddit's rule regarding calls for violence.

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The only thing that trigglypuff is gonna bash is another bucket of tendies.

She would, but she dropped them all.

m8 I will fucking destroy you

im not maru friend

What did I just watch?

Weeb degeneracy

he's going to be raging in mommy's basement all night

mom is gonna have to take her credit card back if you dont quiet down

they're going to be raging in mommy's basement all night

Rage Against the Bedtimes!

Woah here we go! Let the drama begin.

Decent if correct

huge if factual

Was expecting the sub to get nuked - still drama is drama I suppose.

it probably will as long as they pretend the current state of affairs can continue

So we have to wait until /u/marusama 's alt gets introduced as a 'new mod'? I can't wait that long!

BAN 👏🏿 EVASION 👏🏿

Everyone is my alt.

same

Well of course because you're my alt.

We're only about a month out from a bunch of subs getting in trouble. I think it's april 26th when any subs using a banbot to automatically ban people that have never posted on the sub get in trouble.

Wait what?

wot u say fgt it

No, really. Wat?

Yeah, the rules changed on banning people for things they posted on other subreddits. The admins do not seem happy about it, especially automatic ban bots for posting on subs like tia.

First they should ban anarchy. Then they should ban the Donald. Finally they should ban drama 😂

support

Double support.

Oppose, comrade

FASH DETECTED

TODAY I CAN"T BASH. MY GASH HAS A RASH.

tbh the admins should just ban every sub except for /r/furry_irl. Then this place will finally be good.

And subs with pupper pictures. They're pretty much what gets me through my life.

subs with puppet pictures

Isn't that /r/furry_irl?

Just switch the mod lists of the 2 for a day.

Can you imagine the asspain

/u/spez plz

I'll buy two years of (((reddit gold))) right now if you do this.

would be a pretty great april fools prank tbh. even better if they didnt ban the subs but kept the mods that way. it would be pretty fucking crazy

Like they would not just shut down the subreddit . Fash have no rights to beon the Web (or in life)

Even better: swap mods of SRD and the one true /r/drama

The only question is, would the anarchism mods publish the daily instructions from moscow that T_D gets, or would they try to get in on it?

That's nothing compared to a mod switch between /r/the_Donald and /r/politics

My body is ready

Since when is your cancerous ass here?

I'm all for this.

Time for more retarded tankies and anarkids to whine here like the last thread.

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CONSTANT RETARDATION when the faggy prince inevitably falls for your bait again

Dude, I was gonna fuck with him again! Now our sweet prince will fall for another hook...

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DID SOMEONE SAY GAMERGATE

We've come full circle. What's the one above the latest Gamgergate? Borders?

"Bernie Sanders." both red words are from the same post. from this thread

So far we've only got GG, Pizzagate, Bernie, and now GG again.

Oh hey that's me what up

Oh yeah it is. What a small world we live in, huh?

PK DEFENSE FORCE ACTIVATED

Save anarcho-Jesus from these heretics!

I'm pretty sure that his 'defense force' is just 5-6 alts. I have never seen any downvoting against him until he shows up himself. That says 'alts' to me.

Hey fuck you. Me and /u/Sarge_Ward aren't alts.

lmao what

okay first of all do you really think we go around downvoting anything anti-PK? I made the sub mostly as a joke based off of /r/riemannDefenseForce. I didn't even expect to get more than 3 subs, let alone the 9 we have.

but mainly, you do realise this sub has other leftist/anarchist users other than PK, right? Basically half of /r/LeftWithoutEdge is subbed here. So yeah of course some people are going to side with him sometimes. (I usually do like 3/4 of the time, since sometimes he says some really stupid berniebro tier shit.)

except /r/riemannDefenseForce is not a joke

it's very real

Holy shit

this mad

Did it come off as mad? I didn't mean for it to. Oops

Hello I am subscriber number 9 greetings

Hey man whats up!

Its so awesome having so many people come aboard and have fun in my silly little community. Hope you enjoy your stay there!

are you accusing Sarge and Thhueros of being my alts?

hahahahaha

No Prince don't you see, I'm your alt-account that was created over a year before your actual account so that I could spread your commie agenda over in /r/montageparodies (the first place I posted in)

this conspiracy goes deeper than we... I mean I thought.

Well you see, there is one subreddit with like 100 subscribers on the right that does it to, so it's the same.

I'm just wondering what /r/Anarchism has to actually do at this point to get banned. Apparently posting instructions to carry out terrorist attacks, refusing to enforce site-wide rules, and encouraging it's American users to commit felonies and buy guns illegally isn't enough.

Maybe harassing users they don't like with death threats like LSWE did?

Ya that xmarxthespot was posting literal calls for violence against the general populace and they never did anything to him

He eventually deleted his own account out of shame, though

Shame of losing a superiority-deciding match of connect 4, though.

understandable

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"Listen on! Listen on! This is the truth of it. Fighting leads to killing, and killing gets to warring, and that was damn near the death of us all. Look at us now, busted up and everyone talking about hard rain! But we've learned! By the dust of them all, Bartertown learned. Now, when men get to fighting, it happens here, and it finishes here! Two men enter; one man leaves."

BUST A DEAL... FACE THE WHEEL!

I've been told that two men enter and one man leave

What?

Two man enter, one man leave.

Bullying is both necessary and a moral imperative.

probably there are not enough people actually reporting that shit to the admins. we need at least 10 people to actively browse /r/anarchism and report rule breaking conduct. unfortunately i wouldnt ask my worst enemy to browse /r/anarchism so i cant see many people doing that.

I browse their occasionally when I'm feeling low on autism. Some of there mods posted dox a few months back and I emailed the admins and got them perm suspended lol. Not sure why they haven't been banned yet but it's hilarious how retarded they are.

I reported something once and got a form reply and no evidence that any action was ever taken.

Can't you see the admins haven't taken action against r/Anarchism because of their blatant Fascist violence?

Horseshoe Theory?

PRO HORSESHOE

*IN THE POCKET OF BIG SMITHIES

If the admins are being smart here (big if) then this could be them getting their ducks in a row to ban r/anarchism. Banning LWSE was an easy sell since the sub was explicitly dedicated to breaking their no calls to violence rule, but banning anarchism would face more backlash since it's more of a "political" sub, so they might be taking baby steps so that once the hammer drops they can be like "we gave them the opportunity to change but they wouldn't".

Otherwise the admins are just being retarded, which is totally possible. They've thrown plausible deniability out the window at this point so they might be able to be held liable if one of those retards takes a pressure cooker full of marbles to a trump rally.

I don't like the idea of banning subreddits. Instead admins should just replace the whole mod team with mods from the respective opposing team.

/r/anarchism being modded by a (un)healthy mix of /r/libertarian, /r/the_donald, /r/economics.

Seconded.

We all know the /r/drama mod team consists entirely of admin alts. They use us to take the pulse of Reddit, and they will almost certainly implement this immediately.

no, the admins are alts created by /r/drama

Especially when it's for something stupid like brigading. Unless the topic is inherently ban worthy don't ban the whole subreddit.

terrorism is good tho

I think it was /r/anarchism, but one of these communist subreddits were teaching people how to make homemade napalm.

Impressive! That doesn't imply a double standard or anything.

To get banned, /r/Anarchism has to get noticed in the media, whether it's a random news piece or a /r/Anarchism member doing mass shooting.

Basically they do whatever gets them less heat, the heat of bad publicity outweighs the heat from banning the sub.

I'm just wondering what /r/Anarchism has to actually do at this point to get banned. Apparently posting instructions to carry out terrorist attacks, refusing to enforce site-wide rules, and encouraging it's American users to commit felonies and buy guns illegally isn't enough.

Vote brigading. That seems to be the only reason subs get banned.

just gonna pop in and say: fuck drumpf and fuck white people

edit: thanks for the gold, kind stranger

/r/freemaru

/u/Marusama did nothing wrong

I reported it to the admins rofl

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Yo, very avid proviolence proanarchism guy here, and I very much enjoy(ed?) this subreddit, but I really wonder what the mod team thought was gonna happen.

the mod team thinks?

"Whatcha gonna do, ban me?"

-Quote from man banned

Truly a modern day Che Guevara.

I really want to see what happens next. They can't continue in this way without repurcussions. Something's got to give.

thought

They are anarchists that's not their forte.

Yo, very avid proviolence proanarchism guy here

what's it like to be utterly retaded

Blissful

/u/marusama was not a mod there

/u/spez please for the love of god ban /u/-Enkara- and all his alts asap.

I don't really follow the commie/anarchist drama, but I thought /u/-Enkara- was a woman?

Wow did you just assume xir's gender?

I'm pretty sure "xir" is already possessive and no "'s" is necessary.

Fresh meme, friend

>wanting to ban lolcows

As much as I'd love to see reddit physically remove /u/-Enkara- it's more fun to constantly watch her flailing

I don't think so. /u/-Enkara- is stale by now. Look at their comments. Its just the same thing everytime. Time to put this lolcow down.

Retard. Banning /u/-Enkara- would cause more drama than what we have right now.

Big if tru

this but unironically

God, shut the fuck up.

That's not a very nice thing to say to a benevolent omnipresent deity.

Oops.

Honestly I need to cum dude

He had it coming tbh

This but ironically.

big if tru

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reddit

physically remove

How would that even work

Lrn 2 meme nerd

physical removal and helicopter throwing is the capitalism meme answer to gulaging/fash bashing

There's what's good for the sub, and there's what's good for humanity as a whole.

Sometimes you just got to take the hit.

negligence towards humanity

They realise it's just an Internet forum right?

No, it's a battle between good and evil, or as I like to call it, normies versus the REEEEEE

I get you, and you're definitely right in this specific instances.

But much of the 'planning' for the American revolution was just drunken bar talk. Don't underestimate the ability of small rocks to gather big ones as they tumble down the hill.

implying anything of note can happen on Reddit subs like /r/anarchism.

But much of the 'planning' for the American revolution was just drunken bar talk.

Yeah, and the only reason that was possible is because significant people, power players in America, were present. Unless one of the mods is a secret billionaire, they're not going to be planning a revolution any time soon.

the cracked foundations of the liberal notion of free speech

/r/anarchism in a nutshell

Fuck free speech, how dare they censor us

/u/-Enkara- what's it like to be the one getting triggered over muh freeze peach? Sorry you're so beholden to archaic liberal values, philistine.

Why dont mods just ban this fucking subs? They are nothing but trouble, same for the incels subs and the far right subs. Just ban them, they aren't worth the trouble keeping around.

I'd imagine it's

1) the admins are lazy as shit. There are articles that talk about staff being drunk in the workplace, lots of layoffs and people quitting, and frustrations from lower level staff at how little management helps.

2) they don't want to deal with the drama of banning political subs because that's even more of a hornet's nest than banning Coontown or FPH. Although idk how they haven't banned /r/incels or any of their weird offshoots because those guys routinely talk about raping women and going Elliot Rodgers on some motherfuckers and /r/incels isn't even an ideology where people would scream "CENSORSHIP!"

Because banning a bunch of crazy people who gather together to talk about rape and violence, will likely lead some of those people to act out in the real world because they don't have their outlet any more.

Letting /r/incels stick around and radicalize more people might be worse over the long term. Maybe it is an FBI honeypot?

Eh, they won't ever do more than whine on the internet. Incels are cowards, not able to withstand the idea of even going outside to do normal things, let alone anything harmful.

Maybe? Elliot Rodger would disagree, and I hear that you cannot dodge him.

Isn't he dead?

1) cannot be emphasized enough. this is a retarded website that got popular by accident in spite of the crippling incompetence of the people who run it.

This bodes well for my incompetence. Maybe I can get rich from dumb luck too!

They are nothing but trouble, same for the incels subs and the far right subs.

What's this, a centrist in the wild perpetuating the myth of the golden mean?

I support the democratic party, i wouldn't really call myself all that much of a centrist. Ban incels, that place is a festering shithole. Same goes for r anarchy and far righy subs.

This is such a strawman. "Centrists" aren't advocating literal averages, we'll take a position from an "extreme" side if it's a good position.

Right: Destroy welfare

Left: Don't destroy welfare

Solution: Left

Left: Throw rocks at starbucks

Right: Don't throw rocks at starbucks

solution: Right

We're not going to kill 3 million jews instead of 6 million. First we're going to not kill jews, like the lefties want. And then we're going to not seize the factories, like the righties want.

The idea that the middle ground ideology is necessarily best because extremes are bad is fallacious reasoning, regardless of the seriousness of the memes I use to point that out.

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It's not fallacious reasoning, it's an observation. Extremists are the worst people in politics, and we don't come to that conclusion from some contrived rationalist symbolic exercise.

And I'll remind you "centrism" which is just a word used by illiberals isn't neutral at all. The liberal society is in opposition to a whole bunch of ideas and attitudes. It is its own extreme.

The stakes have never been lower

BASH MY BUSSY FAM

I won't like it but you can do it

lets go

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>people unironically care this much about reddit

Man if the fash bashers get themselves banned before the fash the drama will be fucking amazing

This isn't even the first time the admins have directly warned them and they've told the admins to Fuck off. The sub still hasn't been banned but clearly the admins just want to oppress these poor lefty subs

Do you have a link to the last season's drama? I wanna get caught up before binge watching the current one

One commie down.

That looks like a poorly done photoshop.

That's cause it is.

All I can really do is laugh. It's nice to see the same smug redditors that would laugh at others who complain about losing their ability to speak getting their own comeup. Freedom of speech (as a social value) cuts both ways. It can either protect both you and your enemies, or neither of you.

Apparently in 2017 the idea of "BASHING THE FASH" has become impolite in neoliberal discourse.

That's not neoliberal. It's just flat out liberalism. That the State keeps a monopoly on violence (except in certain situations e.g. a citizens request) is one of the foundations of a liberal state. Duh.

The Trump panic is getting tiring too. No, society is not imminently going to the Nazis; Trump is nothing special. I'd have loved it if /r/@ had existed during the Bush years. Their hysteria would be amazing.

Chucklefuck hard-leftists seem to think now that "neoliberalism" means, like, Third Way, Clinton/Blairite liberalism, and in turn that everyone to the right of Bernie (and maybe even Bernie) are Third Way "neoliberals." These people are utterly retarded.

Are YOU retarded? The Third way was literally just an attempt at rebranding Noeliberalism to be more acceptable to those parties constituents. This is not even remotely disputable.

this is so hilariously backwards

1990s voters really wanted leftism, see, but Clinton and Blair cunningly tricked them into voting for moderates instead

1990s voters really wanted leftism, see, but Clinton and Blair cunningly tricked them into voting for moderates instead

Yeah that's why both of them gutted welfare and privatized as much as possible. REALLY LEFTIST, that. Oh and you know the Labour Party expelling most of it's left wing. Totes leftist. I'm curious what you think the "Third way" was a third way between, because it literally meant a third way between Socialism and Conservatism. Again: this is not remotely disputable.

this is a good example of how fraudulent the hard left's self image as these rigorous materialistic "analysts" of policy. in fact Clinton significantly expanded the welfare state on net. the notorious "welfare reform" referred to the replacement of AFDC, an objectively very small part of the overall US welfare state, with a slightly smaller program called TANF. meanwhile, Clinton passed a major new benefit called SCHIP and expanded the EITC. and of course, the actual outcomes Clinton got under Republican congresses did not reflect his true preferences – there was this little thing called HillaryCare that you may have heard of.

Really so where was the repeal of the Taft-Hartley act? Where was the expansion of social security? Where was the nationalization of utilities? Where was expanded regulation? Oh wait, the did literally the exact fucking opposite of all those things. You know what, it's fine if you want to act like Neoliberalism was all fine and dandy but quit pretending that the Third Way was "leftist" in any meaningful sense.

Clinton's efforts in first 2 years of his Presidency were consumed in a full-court press for a major expansion of the welfare state. It failed to achieve popular support, and the conservative/moderate Southern democrats who held the balance of power in the House thus refused to enact it. This played into the subsequent big losses for the Democrats in the 1994 midterms.

The idea that Clinton was then revealed as a perfidious neoliberal stealing bread from the starving poor, because he then failed to get an FDR-style agenda through the fucking Gingrich Revolution Congress, is completely preposterous.

Clinton is open to criticism at the margins, of course. But to a first approximation he did as well as anyone possibly could have done in moving American economic policy in a more leftward direction, given the political and Congressional climate of the time. An openly left-wing president thumping the podium and demanding a Third New Deal almost certainly would have gotten less accomplished for the left, not more.

Lol, nice try. You realize Clinton literally campaigned on the stuff, right? Again: if you like Clinton, fine, but quit trying to make him some misunderstood socialist.

he did as well as anyone possibly could have done in moving American economic policy in a more leftward direction,

TIL the only way to be a Leftist is to enact right-wing economic policies. And you realize that this stuff literally fuels the right, right? People are more likely to support right-wing pseudo-reforms then wishy-washy centrism. No one is ever going to die on a hill for Bill Clinton.

It really sounds like you've got nothing here.

Again: if you like Clinton, fine, but quit trying to make him some misunderstood socialist.

/u/EvanHarper claimed he was a centre-left moderate, not a socialist.

I don't think anyone would claim Clinton was a socialist. He won a free and fair election, after all - and he did it twice!

Delete your comments. This is super embarrassing for you.

I think banning calls to violence is pretty reasonable, though

Then why isn't physical_removal banned? The mods are content to let right-wing violent subs stay.

dae self-defense from far-left violence is just as bad as far-left violence?!?!

Lol, "self-defence"? They make memes about Pinochet.

Are you implying Saint Augusto (pbuh) wasn't defending Chile from communist violence?

memes are basically violence.

they're basically the capitalism version of /r/completeanarchy and /r/fullcommunism. The later makes memes about the holodomor and North Korea

So what? That's just a tu quoque.

/r/anarchism probably got targeted moreso because its' a serious political sub and not physical removal, CA, or FC because they're meme subs with a bit of seriousness behind them

That or someone got reported posts on /r/anarchism first and thy were just the first to reply and get banned for it.

If that's the case it should go too.

Gotta love internet tough guys. Thinking they're some kind of street warrior when they haven't seen their feet in ages.

It was fun banning him srd back in the day.

Oh shit, this lovely gem from /r/freemaru

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YOU WILL ALL DIE FOR BANNING MEEEEEE ALLLL OF YOUUUUUUUU

"you have been permanently banned"

"I refuse to participate on principle"

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When you consider advocating for anarchist extremism to be a normal and acceptable thing to do, I suppose even the politically neutral must seem like a lot of fascist oppressors.

Are you an admin who just wants to avoid bad press so you don't piss off the investors of the company you're working for yet again? Literally Franco. Never mind that you've banned subs like /r/altright, which actually called for right-wing violence; you not purging every single froggy meme shitpost made in T_D is the canary call for America's descent into a genocidal totalitarian dystopia.

even the politically neutral must seem like a lot of fascist oppressors.

Why do you think the far left uses the word liberal as if liberal, conservative, and fascist are all barely different?

this is literally their line, though. both Trotsky and Stalin agreed on it, it crippled the German left in the 1930s and directly aided the rise of Hitler. and the modern left's takeaway from the 1930s, incredibly, is that the KPD line was actually good (go read any of /u/mhl67's incredibly dishonest and shoddy posts on the subject in /r/badhistory for a good idea of the flavor.)

both Trotsky and Stalin agreed on it, it crippled the German left in the 1930s and directly aided the rise of Hitler.

Are you stupid or did you just choose not to read my posts?

and the modern left's takeaway from the 1930s, incredibly, is that the KPD line was actually good (go read any of /u/mhl67's incredibly dishonest and shoddy posts on the subject in /r/badhistory for a good idea of the flavor.)

Point 1: The KPD DID attempt to work with the SPD in the 1920s and got little out of it because the SPD was arming right-wing death squads. Who then promptly formed the core of the Nazi Party.

Point 2: The SPD was directly responsible for the rise of the Nazi Party thanks to the aforementioned using right-wing deathsquads who then formed the core of the Nazis. Then when the Depression hit, the SPD outright refused a request from their own trade unions to fund welfare programs, instead choosing to spend money on Battleships. This promptly destroyed most of their support.

Point 3: The KPD DID attempt to work with the SPD in overturning the Preussenslag which effectively made the rise of Hitler inevitable because the State government of Prussia, the largest state in Germany, was placed under dictatorial control enabling them to harshly repress the SPD. The SPD's response? Try to fight them in the courts. Which got them nothing since von Papen was still allowed to control the Prussian state government.

Point 4: TROTSKY AND STALIN HAD DIFFERENT LINES. Shocking as it may seem, Trotsky and Stalin believed different things. Trotsky stuck to the the 1920s line of the United Front, aka working with Labor parties and social democrats in nonrevolutionary situations. Stalin in 1928 overturned the United Front in favor of the "Social Fascism" thesis by which there was to be no cooperation between the two. "Both Trotsky and Stalin agreed on it" is the shoddiest, dumbest takeaway I can possibly imagine from this, like even the "Trotsky and Stalin were totes the same" school is not this dumb. Not to mention Stalin then overturned that line AGAIN in 1935 and implemented the Popular Front by which Communists were to work with literally any nonfascist party. THIS (NOT THE POPULAR FRONT) is considered to be a shit move because it turned the "communist" parties into ineffectual left-liberals and crippled the creation of workers' parties in the US because they rejected independent political action in favor of working with the Democrats.

Point 5: "that the KPD line was actually good". NO. Literally no one believes. The point people are trying to make is COMPARING THE KPD-SPD FEUD WITH PEOPLE REFUSING TO SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS IS INANE AND STUPID. The SPD was a social democratic and left party. The Democrats are not. This is the only reason people are making this comparison. The Democrats are not even social liberal anymore. It is not a situation which is remotely comparable thanks to the Democrats being directly complicit in the structures that are giving rise to the far-right, namely by gutting welfare and public ownership and being more content to defend fascists then the other way around.

Point 7: "go read any of /u/mhl67's incredibly dishonest" How thick are you? I AM A TROTSKYIST. I support the United Front. HENCE I THINK THE KPD SHOULD HAVE WORKED WITH THE SPD. My critique was against the lazy and shoddy assumptions people make about this situation and against the idiotic comparisons with the Democrats. Nice try though, and good job whitewashing the attempt of ECS to brigade my posts (Which incidentally received the mods stamp of approval). Keep arguing and I'll have to make another badhistory post.

it's incredible how bad your grasp of Weimar history is my dude.

there were no "death squads" running around 1920s Weimar Germany you nutter. the "right-wing death squads" were what the SPD turned to in 1919, because there was no-one else available, to crush the Spartacists. the SPD very probably could not have maintained any legitimacy if it had failed to deal with this Bolshevik infestation and had allowed a "dual power" situation to continue. it would have fallen to a new right-wing government which would have crushed the uprising even more harshly. this should have been clear at the time to any rational person, which is why the Spartacists deserve the blame for enabling the German far-right with their incredibly poorly planned revolt, far more than the SPD deserves the blame for taking the only plausible course of action to crush it.

Ebert didn't want to build fucking panzerschiffe, but German voters did. he caved in to the naval building program because it was the only way to retain popular support for his coalition government. this is the second time i've heard you push this completely insane claim that Ebert was some kind of right-wing militarist who prioritized battleships over social programs. you seem to be congenitally incapable of accepting anywhere at any time that The People might not have exactly the left-wing policy preferences your grand theoretical system says they're supposed to.

yes of course Trotsky supported a United Front and Stalin havered over the idea, depending on whether he was more optimistic about weakening the bourgeois democracies with political chaos vs. combating the far right. the point is that Trotsky and the Stalinist KPD agreed on the "fascism is just the immune response of liberal capitalism to an upsurging Left" line, not that they had the same "line" about everything. ffs.

it's incredible how bad your grasp of Weimar history is my dude.

IIRC your posts on the subject were so bad and full of nothing but ad hominems that the mods removed them, but nice try.

because there was no-one else available, to crush the Spartacists.

THERE WAS NO "NEED" TO CRUSH THE SPARTACISTS. The "uprising" was a popular revolt by the SPDs own constituents over the SPDs own refusal to reform the government. But sure, lets call in right-wing death squads armed with fucking Mark-IV tanks against mostly unarmed demonstrators.

the SPD very probably could not have maintained any legitimacy if it had failed to deal with this Bolshevik infestation

They were literally in control of the state. They had all the "legitimacy" they required. More to the point: the Army and Friekorps didn't give a shit anyway, they tried to overthrow the government anyway, and guess what? They only were stopped by another popular revolt!

allowed a "dual power" situation to continue

Yes, lets crush the more democratic government that literally put us in power in favor of a government virtually identical to the imperial one! Which incidentally will be full of exactly the type of people who will aid the rise of Fascism!

it would have fallen to a new right-wing government which would have crushed the uprising even more harshly.

Except for, you know, them trying to do that ANYWAY. And fucking failing.

which is why the Spartacists deserve the blame for enabling the German far-right with their incredibly poorly planned revolt

Lol, there was no Spartacist "revolt". There is literally no documentary evidence of a planned revolt, it was a spontaneous reaction to the dismissal of Emil Eichorn. And I like too that somehow it's the fault of the Left that the government armed proto-fascists and sent them to murder 5,000+. "Stop making me hit you", much?

far more than the SPD deserves the blame for taking the only plausible course of action to crush it.

Here's an idea: STICK TO WHAT THEIR OWN FUCKING CONSTITUENTS WANTED IN THE SPD'S OWN FUCKING PROGRAM.

Ebert didn't want to build fucking panzerschiffe, but German voters did

Yeah that's why the SPD's vote fell by half, mkay.

this is the second time i've heard you push this completely insane claim that Ebert was some kind of right-wing militarist who prioritized battleships over social programs.

THEY LITERALLY DID PRIORITIZE BATTLESHIPS OVER SOCIAL PROGRAMS.

yes of course Trotsky supported a United Front and Stalin havered over the idea, depending on whether he was more optimistic about weakening the bourgeois democracies with political chaos vs. combating the far right. the point is that Trotsky and the Stalinist KPD agreed on the "fascism is just the immune response of liberal capitalism to an upsurging Left" line, not that they had the same "line" about everything. ffs.

Nice job moving the goalposts, considering your original claim was that Trotsky said the KPD and SPD shouldn't work together. Oh, and incidentally YOU'RE STILL WRONG. Trotsky said Fascism was the response of the Petty Bourgeoisie to the crisis of capitalism, whereas Stalin said that Fascism was the creation of capitalism to fight the left. But nice try.

Comrades! Workers!

The Ebert-Scheidemann Government has rendered itself impossible. It is hereby declared deposed by the undersigned Revolutionary Committee

Revolution has broken out in Germany. The masses have risen; the soldiers ... and the workers[.] The hour for action has struck for the International. We call on you to elect everywhere Workers’ and Soldiers’ Councils which will take political power into their own hands ... Only beneath the triumphant flag of the Socialist world revolution should peace be made

but then when these guys turned out to be really fucking bad at revolution, whoops, they were unarmed protestors peacefully marching! lmfao

but then when these guys turned out to be really fucking bad at revolution, whoops, they were unarmed protestors peacefully marching! lmfao

How is this anything? This was a post-facto declaration which says nothing except transferring power to the already existing workers' councils.

Ebert didn't want to build fucking panzerschiffe, but German voters did

Yeah that's why the SPD's vote fell by half, mkay.

yeah it wasn't because they were the government in power when the Great Fucking Depression hit, no, it was definitely the panzerschiffe

Yeah I'm sure flatly turning down their own constituents request for welfare in the midst of the great depression had nothing to do with it, mkay.

Holy fuck any anarchism subreddit is just a shit whole of idiocy and hypocrisy.

Probably the worst people I have ever encountered on reddit.

Arrogant, mean, elitist, negative, and so so so so hypocritical.

Would love to see them all get banned.

the rise of the Internet Dirtbag Left over the last 10 years or so has been really something else. like Noam Chomsky used to be the crazy one and now he looks like a fuckin boring moderate

'suspended'?! when the fuck was anyone else given a time out instead of being permanently banned?

Suspended is fancy term for "ban"

I sent the admins some links with more calls to violence. Hopefully r/anarchism finally get's banned. I'd be happy to be responsible for r/@ getting banned.

u/-Enkara- How long have you been off your meds

wtf I love free speech now - /r/anarchism

why can't i attack someone i disagree with abloo bloo

U/thedaggestofnabbets you're a disgrace to your grandfather

Death to r/@

My grandpa bashed the fash in World War 2.

/u/TheDaggestOfNabbits did he go around pepper spraying old civilians like your favourite cunts do?

Some delusions of grandeur in that thread.

BASH THE FASH

Liberals complaining about right wing bias and censorship on reddit is one of the most ironic things ive ever heard. The cognitive dissonance is so real, in what world is reddit right leaning? Lmao

Ah yes I can't forget the time that Reddit didn't bash the fash known as r/altright oh wait. They fucking did.

I would be $20 /u/-Enkara- is on welfare, she seems so dysfunctional as a person

r/Anarchism

Because fighting extremism with extremism is definitely a great tactic.