Honestly, they're probably trolling, but while looking this up I found this NPR article about it. Sometimes I have to wonder which words aren't "racial slurs" as it seems like I'm learning new ones frequently.
You don't have to read it, but it just acknowledges that this is somehow a thing. It's like the most innocuous phrase ever, but apparently you're microaggressing black people by using it.
Also apparently "smoke" was used in reference to black people? So the phrase "where there's smoke, there's fire" is probably racist. I guess?
"All these terms will give deep offense if used by nonblacks," warned Chapman, listing "spade" in a group that included words like blackbird, shade, shadow, skillet and smoke.
This is why I have a hard time taking this shit seriously. I can't keep track of all this crap.
Not that you're saying any differently, but if you need a fucking forensic linguistical investigation to find out if a word is racist or not, it's not racist to use it.
The thing is with insults is that they don't translate that well. I lifted this from the Wikipedia page. I've been through most of them with a Chinese national who told me that they are pretty accurate.
Why are you in the states or western Europe get your ass back to Ching Chong land.you don't like mayos as leads to Asian shit tough luck i don't like anyone but mayos using anitbiotics, computers, airplanes, cars or anything else that makes modern society work
If you don't give a shit about racial casting, you're a "redpiller"
If you think Trump is an idiot, you're a "communist SJW"
Meanwhile, people in the middle of these two camps of idiots (the far right and far left in these idiotic culture wars) are like "Wow, I'm surrounded by retards".
I can understand why Hollywood wouldn't make a movie with an Asian female lead character. But why make the character white and keep the Japanese name and still have everyone else be Japanese? Why not just move the setting to America and have the characters be American? Or do something like Blade Runner?
It follows the same story in broad strokes, but a lot of background is different/missing. No Mercerism/those mood-organs, different relationships between characters, whole other ending, such cases. I was just gonna say something milquetoast like "I can appreciate both the movie and book on their own terms", but then I remembered that the book doesn't come with Sean Young and a fantastic Vangelis soundtrack, which puts the film lightyears ahead. If you ever gonna watch it, make sure it's the Directors or Final cut.
That's basically my view with adapting Japanese media in the West. Like a Fistful of Dollars being Yojimbo, except without the being sued because of not getting authorization bit.
If you're going to cast Westerners but keep it the setting as Japan, it's inauthentic. If you're going to cast Japanese actors and set it in Japan, why are you adapting it in the West at all?
I think Japanese people are likely to do a better adaptation if you just convert it as-is, so you might as well significantly transform it to make an at least somewhat unique product. I'm not making a moral argument about cultural appropriation; it's just the result will probably be shit, and that the money could be better spent on something else.
I didn't watch the movie and I'm not familiar with the original source material, but according to what someone in the thread wrote, the character in the anime is a Japanese woman in a "shell" that's likely supposed to look white. Again, I have no idea if that is indeed correct, but that could be the explanation.
She isn't an anything. She is a brain in an anime body. Mayo redditors are just too retarded to do a minute of research before showing the wide world their glorious, empathetic outrage.
When she """"dies""" at the end of SAC complex one and togusa looks for information about her there's a part of the page that clearly says ethnicity: Japanese. Also they talk about it during the show at times. She's a Jap.
I don't know about the movie, but in the original story, Kusanagi has an entirely synthetic body. There really isn't any reason why her cyborg body has to look Japanese. Beyond that, a major element of the character is her disconnection from her physical form, so you could make an argument that having her body be a different race from her birth race enhances that point.
I suppose that is true. I haven't watched the original movie. Either way, I think the real reason is because Asian people don't sell the best, and Hollywood loves money.
i mean... i didn't mind the "whitewashing" (i mean, the japanese to that themselves, they love the mayo), but making it the centre of the plot was fucking retarded to the most autistic level. i mean, the whole point of major being unique and a kickass is that she's been a cyborg since childhood/infancy. there was never a question of "who was i before i got the cyborg body", the whole point is her questioning her own humanity/ghost.
Funny, how white Redditors always bring up lack of Asian casting when black people are complaining about their lack of opportunity. Yet, all that support is lost when actual Asians start talking about it themselves.
Well his statement assumes that those "white redditors" are saying they give a fuck about it. I don't think that's the case, they're just pointing that most of the time when people are complaining about black roles they're being just as self-interested as "white Hollywood", if not arguably more so.
Yeah, "If you fucking care so much, why aren't you whining about other minorities", doesn't mean "AHHH we care about the plight of the Asian actor!" it means "If you fucking care so much, why aren't you whining about other minorities?"
Because it isn't the responsibility of black actors to advocate for allminorities that are facing issues unique to them. Not to say they can't be allies, but it isn't like you naysayers would suddenly start listening if black actors advocated for Asians and Hispanics as well. The LGBT community wants equality. They don't also have to bring up literally every single other marginalized group to validate their issues.
Does anyone else remember how in Gone Girl Tyler Perry actually gave a really great performance? That was one of the most surprising thing I had ever seen from a movie.
I always thought she wasn't Asian because she didn't look Asian at all and was instead modeled after some white woman in a future multiracial city in Asia.
I mean, it's obvious that some characters are actually Asian in animoos like Akira or Jin-Roh, but i don't really see it here tbhwyf
Future Tokyo wasn't very multi ethnic in GiTS iirc. There was world war 3 and Japan became isolationist after this as their economy was fine while surrounding countries went to shit. They stuck all the refugees in abandoned oil rigs and an artificial island.
I agree, but do you know why no-one cares? I love Japan and Japanese people, I probably hear more Japanese on a daily basis than English, but when the reverse happens and the BBC decide to make a historical British queen black or put black/asian people in the Battle of Hastings, or make spiderman a different race for no reason and we complain, they're the first ones calling everyone racist, so fuck 'em. Everybody is allowed to be "proud" of their ethnicity but mayos.
And that's leaving aside the obvious reason there's not many Asians in it is because it was made for a Western audience, the majority of whom are not Asian. It has to appeal to average mouthbreather, its hard enough marketing a film based on anime to normies let alone if it only had Japanese people in it.
Everybody is allowed to be "proud" of their ethnicity but mayos.
That's because they're fucking degenerate drug addicts and psychopaths. Never has a race of beings as vile and full of hatred and evil as white """people""" existed. They murder, rape, torture, and feel absolutely ZERO GUILT about any of it. They love murder, slavery, thievery, and lying. Anything of worth and value in the world they have either ruined or stolen and made degenerate, turned towards evil or mayhem, and caused suffering with. They're monsters, literal devils, who need to be exterminated.
And if you're proud of that, to the fucking ovens with you.
If I recall correctly, /u/SetsunaFS got extremely butthurt when Hidden Figures was voted the least deserving Oscar nom by r/movies. Basically, hes just an SRS type thats in perpetual righteous indignation. Totally insufferable. Somebody should punch him in the face irl. Maybe that will make him a little less obnoxious
/u/SetsunaFS is a master attention-seekiny troll. It doesn't matter whether its good or bad; he just wants someone to acknowledge his sad little existence. If I was still capable of feeling compassion, I'd feel sorry for him. But I I can't , and so I just point and laugh.
Are you kidding me you little piece of shit i’ll have you know i graduated top of my politics class and i’ve been involved in privilege checking with over 150 confirmed political demonstrations i’m trained in conflict resolution and i was the most oppressed person in my entire upper middle class high school you are nothing to me but another cultural appropriator i will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which have never been seen on this side of the 49th parallel mark my words you think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the internet think again fucker, as we speak i’m checking with my anarcho-communist analyst brigade for your location so you better be prepared to deal with some molotov cocktails and angry feminists flying through your window yOU’RE FUCKING DEAD CHERRY! i can be anywhere at any time and i can kill you in over seven hundred ways and that’s just with me boring you to death while i talk about privilege not only am i extensively trained in hotline management but i have access to an entire arsenal of sociological articles to prove my point and i will use them to wipe your fucking face off the earth you little shit if only you had known what oppressed retribution your cultural appropriation would unleash then maybe you would have held your fucking tongue but you couldn’t you’re fucking dead kiddo
What characters? Give me examples. I'll address every single one of them.
He listed four characters. You said Rob Roy didn't count because reasons, you said Iron Man, Spider-Man, and Thor were different characters (technically true), then you ignored Heimdall and all of those five movies linked.
Now we see you just accepted Domino but didn't give a reason.
Someone might read this and think you're too stupid do intellectually defend your arbitrary opinion. Can you try to defend it or not so much?
Eh, not really. Doesn't really seem like you actually want to have a good faith discussion and you seem way more interested in "pwning" me regardless of what I say. So I'll pass.
It's weird to say you're going to "address every single one of them" if you're not going to. Especially since no one asked you to that, you randomly said you would and then didn't lol
I honestly don't care if a movie has a good token minority actor as long as they can act well. I'd take Idris Elba as a mythic Norse God over Alexander Skaaaaaaaaaaarrrrssssssgard any day of the week and twice on Sunday when a black bull cucks my waifu pillow
I think it's important to realize that not any given situation is exactly the same. It's interesting that you guys only use examples of black actors getting comic book roles but not other films like The Last Airbender, 21, Breakfast at Tiffany's, Argo, Exodus, Othello, Prince of Persia, etc. that are a bit more egregious examples. But those don't count because those are white people getting the roles! So those are okay, of course.
I think it's important to note that comic books are incredibly old and have been featuring white characters for decades. So yes. I don't mind updates that change the race. For GitS, I actually wouldn't have minded if they changed the setting. Neo-Chicago and whatnot would have been cool and the lead could have been anyone. But they kept the same setting of Japan, relegated all the Asian actors to side roles, and propped up the white female lead while also writing in that she's actually a Japanese girl in a white woman's body. A better movie could have explored that more.
Again, it's clear none of you want to talk about this in good faith so you'll pick apart my words but I don't really care. As I said before, I feel pretty good if I'm going against a bunch of shut-in Redditor edgelords. So I'll leave it at that
I just wanted to say specifically what I didn't like about the GitS casting. People here seem to be focused on whataboutisms and bringing up other, unrelated films in an effort to catch me in a hypocritical contradiction. Which is great, but doesn't invalidate my feelings in regards to GitS.
But those don't count because those are white people getting the roles! So those are okay, of course.
You still think people care. That thread and this one are full of people telling you they don't care either way. You're the only one here that does, but you only care in some cases. And we can all see what those cases have in common
It's interesting that you guys only use examples of black actors getting comic book roles but not other films like The Last Airbender, 21, Breakfast at Tiffany's, Argo, Exodus, Othello, Prince of Persia, etc. that are a bit more egregious examples. But those don't count because those are white people getting the roles! So those are okay, of course.
You think it's "interesting" that people are using points that specifically show that you're a hypocrite?
That's why they're being used. And no, they're all "okay". You're the one that, based upon your own feelings, randomly calls some of them okay and some of them not.
And even if I was a hypocrite, that doesn't invalidate my points about GitS. "Whataboutisms" only get you so far since you're not actually addressing the substance of my points about GitS.
I don't reddit every day. Do you? I just logged in now to see your asinine fucking response to your incredibly hypocritical argument, moron. Now I won't log in until the weekend or something, see your stupid fucking response to this, and be reminded of you again.
White Redditors don't actually care about what Japanese people have to say about this subject unless they agree with them.
u/SetsunaFS that's how the site is designed. Each sub will become an echo chamber of whatever reality its subscribers want it to be. But good on you overall. r/movies is a shithole. But don't forget pumpkin spice jokes are the highest form a racism and makes my people go nutty.
I think in almost any anime the characters default to being Japanese, or at least that's how I've always thought of it. Or they're just raceless since I can't name any race that has giant bug eyes and pinpoint tiny mouths and noses. What I'm trying to say is that anime is trash.
It's definitely very stereotypical, but not any more so than most other anime I've seen. I mostly watched it because the animation is pretty spectacular.
i feel like they try to make "japanese" characters slightly more western looking anyway so its kind of hard to tell
What I'm trying to say is that anime is trash.
i dunno man i always liked fist of the north star that shit is hilarious
It's actually quite the opposite. Japanese audiences do actually think the stereotypical anime character design looks very Japanese. The race/nationality/ethnicity of anime characters is surprisingly subjective to the viewer's nationality.
That doesn't really matter when her body is completely artificial. She could look like whatever she wants and still be Japanese. (In any case her anime body was Japanese anyway.)
Interestingly enough, the appearance of anime characters is highly subjective to the audience. Japanese audiences see the stereotypical anime art style and they'll say the characters look very Japanese; however western audiences project their own nationality/ethnicity.
Say what you will, but I think it's a big reason Anime does so well here in the western world. Exotic enough to be it's own thing, but not alienating what so ever. In fact it's very relatable because of that ambiguousness.
Batou and Kusanagi always had western/romanized features. The only major race change is that Ishikawa is black instead of oriental. Minor changes I noticed were that Togusa was originally japanese and not chinese and Batou didn't have whatever accent that was.
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n/a renewalnotice 2017-04-04
I didn't want to be called low effort so I linked right to the main drama, but he's all over thread, fighting bravely against the white man.
n/a SabadoGigantes 2017-04-04
This dude needs to be modded here.
n/a YearsandMonths 2017-04-04
lmao, /u/SetunaFS, do you post at /r/hapas or /r/AsianMasculinity?
n/a Tiammatt 2017-04-04
/u/setsunafs
n/a pepperouchau 2017-04-04
>an incredibly pathetic and unintelligent person.
>a white guy.
What's the difference?
n/a gravely_offended 2017-04-04
the difference is black and white, friend
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-04-04
It's /u/SetsunaFS you retard
n/a SithisTheDreadFather 2017-04-04
It's even worse than that: SubredditDrama
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-04-04
/u/SetunaFS how is that racist? calling a garden tool what it is is racist?
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-04-04
/u/SetsunaFS not /u/SetunaFS
n/a SithisTheDreadFather 2017-04-04
Honestly, they're probably trolling, but while looking this up I found this NPR article about it. Sometimes I have to wonder which words aren't "racial slurs" as it seems like I'm learning new ones frequently.
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-04-04
That's a long article and I'm feeling too niggardly to read it all
n/a SithisTheDreadFather 2017-04-04
You don't have to read it, but it just acknowledges that this is somehow a thing. It's like the most innocuous phrase ever, but apparently you're microaggressing black people by using it.
Also apparently "smoke" was used in reference to black people? So the phrase "where there's smoke, there's fire" is probably racist. I guess?
This is why I have a hard time taking this shit seriously. I can't keep track of all this crap.
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-04-04
Shit I guess I can never talk about my cast iron skillet ever again
n/a SithisTheDreadFather 2017-04-04
Jesus Christ, dude, I didn't realize I was talking to the fucking Grand Dragon over here.
n/a OccasionallyClueless 2017-04-04
Aww man, this means the Beatles were racist.
n/a Eastergecko 2017-04-04
All white band. One with a clear fetish for meek and subservient Asian poon. No shit they were racist
n/a buttsecksyermum 2017-04-04
I'm way too Jewish with my time.
n/a marsjazztrio 2017-04-04
Not that you're saying any differently, but if you need a fucking forensic linguistical investigation to find out if a word is racist or not, it's not racist to use it.
n/a Tar-mairon 2017-04-04
Since the other two people fucked up the spelling: Paging /u/SetsunaFS
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-04-04
Don't discount /u/rguin's conditions in that thread.
n/a SabadoGigantes 2017-04-04
He's solid.
n/a BasicallyADoctor 2017-04-04
/u/Setsunafs opinion on mayocide?
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
Hello!
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-04-04
That word is racist. Say konichiwa
n/a Ayy_2_Brute 2017-04-04
n/a cultish_alibi 2017-04-04
Don't say anything you Miracle WHIP piece of shit.
n/a SithisTheDreadFather 2017-04-04
It's almost 6 AM in Japan, so the correct phrase is "Ohayo."
n/a LaoED 2017-04-04
It's nihao, right now u swine.
n/a SithisTheDreadFather 2017-04-04
Chinese
去你的
n/a alien122 2017-04-04
我的中文不好。我不知道你在说什么。
"Go your" ?
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-04-04
It's colloquial, it means "bullshit"
n/a SithisTheDreadFather 2017-04-04
"Fuck off"
The thing is with insults is that they don't translate that well. I lifted this from the Wikipedia page. I've been through most of them with a Chinese national who told me that they are pretty accurate.
n/a celocanth13 2017-04-04
desu desu
n/a blertyuh 2017-04-04
Hi
n/a MyrLeaf 2017-04-04
Two bombs were not enough. AmA.
n/a donaldthelion 2017-04-04
Why are you in the states or western Europe get your ass back to Ching Chong land.you don't like mayos as leads to Asian shit tough luck i don't like anyone but mayos using anitbiotics, computers, airplanes, cars or anything else that makes modern society work
n/a pepperouchau 2017-04-04
Azns had gunpowder tho, and what's more American than shooting people
n/a donaldthelion 2017-04-04
They uses that shit for fireworks it took mayos to understand the destructive power
n/a captainpriapism 2017-04-04
corn syrup
n/a pepperouchau 2017-04-04
u rite u rite
n/a Zachums 2017-04-04
I'm confused as to what exactly you're trying to accomplish with this comment.
n/a LovelyLeahMarried 2017-04-04
Some people on here are legitimate racists.
n/a Unkill_is_dill 2017-04-04
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-04-04
Are cartoon movie remakes important to you?
n/a ThatOtherPromise 2017-04-04
didnt you use to post here? or SRD?
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
SRD.
n/a lifesbrink 2017-04-04
Glad to see you support mayocide! Whiteys all need to die, and we need people like you for supporting this cause
n/a Ennui2778 2017-04-04
If you don't give a shit about racial casting, you're a "redpiller"
If you think Trump is an idiot, you're a "communist SJW"
Meanwhile, people in the middle of these two camps of idiots (the far right and far left in these idiotic culture wars) are like "Wow, I'm surrounded by retards".
/u/ImNotPayingFullPrice
Could you South Park Neutrality any harder, you pasty dudebro?
n/a SamInTheLoop 2017-04-04
He's a dramanaut, so probably not.
n/a Ennui2778 2017-04-04
Holy shit, kys.
n/a SamInTheLoop 2017-04-04
Until we get our space program going, we can all call each other that.
Obviously once we start shooting people into space, only those people will be able to claim that title.
n/a Ennui2778 2017-04-04
Can we shoot the mayos first?
n/a sonicaficionado 2017-04-04
The earth is flat retard space is impossible
n/a buttsecksyermum 2017-04-04
Moron. If the earth was flat it couldn't be hollow. Fuck outta here with your bullshit.
n/a AlbertBelleBestEver 2017-04-04
/r/drama is so painfully moderate, it eats me up inside
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-04-04
tankies to the left of me
trumptards to the right
here I am
stuck in the mayo with (((you)))
n/a FrostBittenSalsa 2017-04-04
Guild this man
n/a pepperouchau 2017-04-04
It's truly too good for this sub
n/a grafton29 2017-04-04
Wow..... thats pretty good.
n/a GARBAGE_MACHINE 2017-04-04
He's not wrong tbh
n/a Ennui2778 2017-04-04
Some required reading, cumskin
n/a GARBAGE_MACHINE 2017-04-04
Initiating self destruct sequence
n/a drvgyn2 2017-04-04
I know you guys always call other people idiots, but guess what? I think you're idiots! The cycle has broken!!!
n/a memeshoes 2017-04-04
If you're not a Marxist or a Fascist then you're a shitty South Park neutral and you honestly just need to kys
n/a Hemic 2017-04-04
Explain to me your definition of South Park neutrality
n/a ImNotPayingFullPrice 2017-04-04
No, and I wouldn't want to be able to.
n/a chaosakita 2017-04-04
I can understand why Hollywood wouldn't make a movie with an Asian female lead character. But why make the character white and keep the Japanese name and still have everyone else be Japanese? Why not just move the setting to America and have the characters be American? Or do something like Blade Runner?
n/a toynbeeidea16 2017-04-04
You mean, make an original movie? In today's Hollywood? I think not!
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-04-04
Rutger Hauer is too old anyway
n/a IsADragon 2017-04-04
Is blade runner that different from the book? I never watched it.
n/a ChlorineTrifluoride 2017-04-04
It follows the same story in broad strokes, but a lot of background is different/missing. No Mercerism/those mood-organs, different relationships between characters, whole other ending, such cases. I was just gonna say something milquetoast like "I can appreciate both the movie and book on their own terms", but then I remembered that the book doesn't come with Sean Young and a fantastic Vangelis soundtrack, which puts the film lightyears ahead. If you ever gonna watch it, make sure it's the Directors or Final cut.
n/a IsADragon 2017-04-04
Might watch it this weekend then. The book was pretty cool, but I'd heard blade runner was kind of Meh.
n/a MargarineIsEvil 2017-04-04
In my opinion, it's one of the few movies that's better than the book. I'm not a massive Phillip K Dick fan though.
n/a Time_to_Drink 2017-04-04
You never watched it?
kys
n/a snurpss 2017-04-04
there's no sheep in the movie, for one.
n/a Harradar 2017-04-04
That's basically my view with adapting Japanese media in the West. Like a Fistful of Dollars being Yojimbo, except without the being sued because of not getting authorization bit.
If you're going to cast Westerners but keep it the setting as Japan, it's inauthentic. If you're going to cast Japanese actors and set it in Japan, why are you adapting it in the West at all?
n/a snallygaster 2017-04-04
What's the problem with that?
n/a Harradar 2017-04-04
I think Japanese people are likely to do a better adaptation if you just convert it as-is, so you might as well significantly transform it to make an at least somewhat unique product. I'm not making a moral argument about cultural appropriation; it's just the result will probably be shit, and that the money could be better spent on something else.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-04-04
I think Japanese people are likely to do a bunch of tentacles and 12yo dick-girls.
n/a Harradar 2017-04-04
I already said they'd do it better.
n/a CondeTrocola 2017-04-04
On the other hand, the Departed is an insult to Infernal Affairs.
n/a walkthisway34 2017-04-04
I didn't watch the movie and I'm not familiar with the original source material, but according to what someone in the thread wrote, the character in the anime is a Japanese woman in a "shell" that's likely supposed to look white. Again, I have no idea if that is indeed correct, but that could be the explanation.
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-04-04
That's definitely the case in the new live action movie. She was def in a Japanese body in the animes tho
n/a Swineflew1 2017-04-04
"Japanese body" almost everyone looks western as fuck.
n/a drvgyn2 2017-04-04
She isn't an anything. She is a brain in an anime body. Mayo redditors are just too retarded to do a minute of research before showing the wide world their glorious, empathetic outrage.
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-04-04
When she """"dies""" at the end of SAC complex one and togusa looks for information about her there's a part of the page that clearly says ethnicity: Japanese. Also they talk about it during the show at times. She's a Jap.
n/a Gothmog26 2017-04-04
And originally a man.
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-04-04
Nah that one's bullshit
n/a Gothmog26 2017-04-04
There go my hopes and dreams :. (
n/a imaginarycreatures 2017-04-04
I don't know about the movie, but in the original story, Kusanagi has an entirely synthetic body. There really isn't any reason why her cyborg body has to look Japanese. Beyond that, a major element of the character is her disconnection from her physical form, so you could make an argument that having her body be a different race from her birth race enhances that point.
n/a chaosakita 2017-04-04
I suppose that is true. I haven't watched the original movie. Either way, I think the real reason is because Asian people don't sell the best, and Hollywood loves money.
n/a imaginarycreatures 2017-04-04
Oh, that's definitely the reason why, but at least the justification makes some degree of sense within the GitS universe.
n/a KeepInMoyndDenny 2017-04-04
And there's no "young hot" Asian A list actress right now. Lucy Liu maybe
n/a chaosakita 2017-04-04
Lucy is almost 50
n/a KeepInMoyndDenny 2017-04-04
Is she really? Wow she looks great for her age
n/a YeltsinYerMouth 2017-04-04
I hate when they give us a Sean Barker in California in place of a Sho Fukamachi in Okinawa.*
n/a KeepInMoyndDenny 2017-04-04
I don't even like Scarlet much, she always has that weird look on her face like she's blowing a bubble and she's so wooden.
n/a snurpss 2017-04-04
i mean... i didn't mind the "whitewashing" (i mean, the japanese to that themselves, they love the mayo), but making it the centre of the plot was fucking retarded to the most autistic level. i mean, the whole point of major being unique and a kickass is that she's been a cyborg since childhood/infancy. there was never a question of "who was i before i got the cyborg body", the whole point is her questioning her own humanity/ghost.
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-04-04
He's an ass but he's not wrong in this sentence.
n/a Tiammatt 2017-04-04
Well his statement assumes that those "white redditors" are saying they give a fuck about it. I don't think that's the case, they're just pointing that most of the time when people are complaining about black roles they're being just as self-interested as "white Hollywood", if not arguably more so.
n/a marsjazztrio 2017-04-04
Yeah, "If you fucking care so much, why aren't you whining about other minorities", doesn't mean "AHHH we care about the plight of the Asian actor!" it means "If you fucking care so much, why aren't you whining about other minorities?"
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
Because it isn't the responsibility of black actors to advocate for allminorities that are facing issues unique to them. Not to say they can't be allies, but it isn't like you naysayers would suddenly start listening if black actors advocated for Asians and Hispanics as well. The LGBT community wants equality. They don't also have to bring up literally every single other marginalized group to validate their issues.
n/a marsjazztrio 2017-04-04
It's not their responsibility to advocate for anything, but because of self interest, they are.
n/a Allanon_2020 2017-04-04
Counter point. Tyler Perry
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-04-04
Does anyone else remember how in Gone Girl Tyler Perry actually gave a really great performance? That was one of the most surprising thing I had ever seen from a movie.
n/a Allanon_2020 2017-04-04
yeh he was good
n/a LaoED 2017-04-04
Oh yeah that movie was one of his greatest roles. Fucking loled when he called the couple crazy.
n/a glmox 2017-04-04
i dont think even black people like tyler perry anymore tbh
n/a Allanon_2020 2017-04-04
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/10/23/box-office-tyler-perrys-boo-a-madea-halloween-scares-up-terrific-27-6m-weekend/#37f61cfc1ab0
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5325452/
Latest Madea film got ok ratings again and made decent money again. Black people still love the films.
n/a Gothmog26 2017-04-04
Chocacide now.
n/a glmox 2017-04-04
well i guess abolition was a mistake after all
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-04-04
I always thought she wasn't Asian because she didn't look Asian at all and was instead modeled after some white woman in a future multiracial city in Asia.
I mean, it's obvious that some characters are actually Asian in animoos like Akira or Jin-Roh, but i don't really see it here tbhwyf
n/a IsADragon 2017-04-04
Future Tokyo wasn't very multi ethnic in GiTS iirc. There was world war 3 and Japan became isolationist after this as their economy was fine while surrounding countries went to shit. They stuck all the refugees in abandoned oil rigs and an artificial island.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-04-04
oh ok
n/a OrangePeals 2017-04-04
I agree, but do you know why no-one cares? I love Japan and Japanese people, I probably hear more Japanese on a daily basis than English, but when the reverse happens and the BBC decide to make a historical British queen black or put black/asian people in the Battle of Hastings, or make spiderman a different race for no reason and we complain, they're the first ones calling everyone racist, so fuck 'em. Everybody is allowed to be "proud" of their ethnicity but mayos.
And that's leaving aside the obvious reason there's not many Asians in it is because it was made for a Western audience, the majority of whom are not Asian. It has to appeal to average mouthbreather, its hard enough marketing a film based on anime to normies let alone if it only had Japanese people in it.
n/a drvoke 2017-04-04
That's because they're fucking degenerate drug addicts and psychopaths. Never has a race of beings as vile and full of hatred and evil as white """people""" existed. They murder, rape, torture, and feel absolutely ZERO GUILT about any of it. They love murder, slavery, thievery, and lying. Anything of worth and value in the world they have either ruined or stolen and made degenerate, turned towards evil or mayhem, and caused suffering with. They're monsters, literal devils, who need to be exterminated.
And if you're proud of that, to the fucking ovens with you.
n/a OrangePeals 2017-04-04
You need to calm down or you're going to die of a heart attack soon.
n/a SaintJason 2017-04-04
Those are Japanese actresses who are American brought up American and are more American than Japanese.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-04-04
People who care about anime will the first against the wall.
n/a marsjazztrio 2017-04-04
In this thread, /u/SetsunaFS doesn't have a problem with a proud PoC playing a white comic character.
So weird.
n/a dexceit 2017-04-04
If I recall correctly, /u/SetsunaFS got extremely butthurt when Hidden Figures was voted the least deserving Oscar nom by r/movies. Basically, hes just an SRS type thats in perpetual righteous indignation. Totally insufferable. Somebody should punch him in the face irl. Maybe that will make him a little less obnoxious
n/a skeetsurfing1984 2017-04-04
He's in every single /r/movies comment section screeching autistically about social justice issues. Definite NEET.
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
Not really every /r/movies thread. Just when it comes up. Definitely wasn't talking about social issues when Rogue One was out.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-04-04
Oh so when the Asian is a ethnic stereotype you are okay with it.
n/a Gothmog26 2017-04-04
/u/SetsunaFS is a master attention-seekiny troll. It doesn't matter whether its good or bad; he just wants someone to acknowledge his sad little existence. If I was still capable of feeling compassion, I'd feel sorry for him. But I I can't , and so I just point and laugh.
n/a Kazundo_Goda 2017-04-04
Are you kidding me you little piece of shit i’ll have you know i graduated top of my politics class and i’ve been involved in privilege checking with over 150 confirmed political demonstrations i’m trained in conflict resolution and i was the most oppressed person in my entire upper middle class high school you are nothing to me but another cultural appropriator i will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which have never been seen on this side of the 49th parallel mark my words you think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the internet think again fucker, as we speak i’m checking with my anarcho-communist analyst brigade for your location so you better be prepared to deal with some molotov cocktails and angry feminists flying through your window yOU’RE FUCKING DEAD CHERRY! i can be anywhere at any time and i can kill you in over seven hundred ways and that’s just with me boring you to death while i talk about privilege not only am i extensively trained in hotline management but i have access to an entire arsenal of sociological articles to prove my point and i will use them to wipe your fucking face off the earth you little shit if only you had known what oppressed retribution your cultural appropriation would unleash then maybe you would have held your fucking tongue but you couldn’t you’re fucking dead kiddo
n/a lionbaiter 2017-04-04
I have a feeling you were jizzing your pants over the awful performances by the token diversity Mexican and other minorities in the film.
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
Did I?
n/a dexceit 2017-04-04
Idk. I think it was you. BTW I see you like interracial porn. You have a white girlfriend?
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
I don't think it was but I remember that thread, definitely.
And no, not at the moment. I don't have a huge racial preference. I just like interracial in general. That includes black girls with white guys.
n/a AlbertBelleBestEver 2017-04-04
/u/SetsunaFS, can you weigh in on this with your powerful social justice retard (SJR) logic?
You told /u/ImNotPayingFullPrice:
He listed four characters. You said Rob Roy didn't count because reasons, you said Iron Man, Spider-Man, and Thor were different characters (technically true), then you ignored Heimdall and all of those five movies linked.
Now we see you just accepted Domino but didn't give a reason.
Someone might read this and think you're too stupid do intellectually defend your arbitrary opinion. Can you try to defend it or not so much?
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-04-04
volunteers, completely unbidden, to address "every single" example
leaves over half of examples given unaddressed
calls other people morons
Not a powerful showing, /u/SetsunaFS.
n/a usedontheskin 2017-04-04
It's his powerful intellect and race realism that make him better.
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
Eh, not really. Doesn't really seem like you actually want to have a good faith discussion and you seem way more interested in "pwning" me regardless of what I say. So I'll pass.
n/a AlbertBelleBestEver 2017-04-04
You pwned yourself when you said you'd address every single one and then ignored the ones you didn't like.
You seem to just be a fucking idiot.
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
I did address the Asian remakes to someone else that posted.
Awwww. The Redditor doesn't like me.
n/a renewalnotice 2017-04-04
Heimdall? Baron Mordo?
It's weird to say you're going to "address every single one of them" if you're not going to. Especially since no one asked you to that, you randomly said you would and then didn't lol
n/a westphall 2017-04-04
Annie, The Honeymooners, Uncle Buck!!!???
n/a Assy-McGee 2017-04-04
I honestly don't care if a movie has a good token minority actor as long as they can act well. I'd take Idris Elba as a mythic Norse God over Alexander Skaaaaaaaaaaarrrrssssssgard any day of the week and twice on Sunday when a black bull cucks my waifu pillow
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
I think it's important to realize that not any given situation is exactly the same. It's interesting that you guys only use examples of black actors getting comic book roles but not other films like The Last Airbender, 21, Breakfast at Tiffany's, Argo, Exodus, Othello, Prince of Persia, etc. that are a bit more egregious examples. But those don't count because those are white people getting the roles! So those are okay, of course.
I think it's important to note that comic books are incredibly old and have been featuring white characters for decades. So yes. I don't mind updates that change the race. For GitS, I actually wouldn't have minded if they changed the setting. Neo-Chicago and whatnot would have been cool and the lead could have been anyone. But they kept the same setting of Japan, relegated all the Asian actors to side roles, and propped up the white female lead while also writing in that she's actually a Japanese girl in a white woman's body. A better movie could have explored that more.
Again, it's clear none of you want to talk about this in good faith so you'll pick apart my words but I don't really care. As I said before, I feel pretty good if I'm going against a bunch of shut-in Redditor edgelords. So I'll leave it at that
n/a Wtfct 2017-04-04
I think no one actually cares tbh.
n/a ImNotPayingFullPrice 2017-04-04
Well, he does. Very much so.
...some of the time. Based on what, I wonder?
n/a Assy-McGee 2017-04-04
and yet you took the time to type this all out. really makes your noodle noggin
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
I just wanted to say specifically what I didn't like about the GitS casting. People here seem to be focused on whataboutisms and bringing up other, unrelated films in an effort to catch me in a hypocritical contradiction. Which is great, but doesn't invalidate my feelings in regards to GitS.
n/a Assy-McGee 2017-04-04
You're a weeb, we get it already
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-04-04
You still think people care. That thread and this one are full of people telling you they don't care either way. You're the only one here that does, but you only care in some cases. And we can all see what those cases have in common
n/a renewalnotice 2017-04-04
You think it's "interesting" that people are using points that specifically show that you're a hypocrite?
That's why they're being used. And no, they're all "okay". You're the one that, based upon your own feelings, randomly calls some of them okay and some of them not.
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
And even if I was a hypocrite, that doesn't invalidate my points about GitS. "Whataboutisms" only get you so far since you're not actually addressing the substance of my points about GitS.
n/a AlbertBelleBestEver 2017-04-04
lol this board is mainstream, mostly Clinton voters.
What everyone is telling you is that they don't care in any context, and pointing out that you're very specific in what "racism" makes you mad.
But yeah, keep calling normal, moderate people "edgy". You're convincing everyone.
n/a renewalnotice 2017-04-04
The point is that we don't care about these things. Which is at least consistent, as opposed to your selective outrage.
n/a SetsunaFS 2017-04-04
"Let me respond to a week old comment just to show you how much I don't care."
Fuck off.
n/a renewalnotice 2017-04-04
I don't reddit every day. Do you? I just logged in now to see your asinine fucking response to your incredibly hypocritical argument, moron. Now I won't log in until the weekend or something, see your stupid fucking response to this, and be reminded of you again.
Or not. Later.
n/a AlbertBelleBestEver 2017-04-04
Damn, you got fucking punked.
n/a ImNotPayingFullPrice 2017-04-04
Oh, good to see you never answered. "God you're dumb."
n/a westphall 2017-04-04
Never forget Black Annie.
n/a DonaldBlythe 2017-04-04
u/SetsunaFS that's how the site is designed. Each sub will become an echo chamber of whatever reality its subscribers want it to be. But good on you overall. r/movies is a shithole. But don't forget pumpkin spice jokes are the highest form a racism and makes my people go nutty.
n/a buttsecksyermum 2017-04-04
Why does anybody care what the Japanese think about anything anyway? Except maybe tentacle porn. I'll take those weird fucks' advice about that.
n/a LaoED 2017-04-04
Idk, weren't Pumpkin Spice jokes only limited to basic white women?
n/a captainpriapism 2017-04-04
wasnt the character in the original supposed to be white anyway
and a robot
n/a Zachums 2017-04-04
Pretty sure all the characters were supposed to be Japanese, hence why it's based in Japan.
n/a captainpriapism 2017-04-04
always looked pretty white but been a while since i saw it tbh
n/a Zachums 2017-04-04
I think in almost any anime the characters default to being Japanese, or at least that's how I've always thought of it. Or they're just raceless since I can't name any race that has giant bug eyes and pinpoint tiny mouths and noses. What I'm trying to say is that anime is trash.
n/a captainpriapism 2017-04-04
i feel like they try to make "japanese" characters slightly more western looking anyway so its kind of hard to tell
i dunno man i always liked fist of the north star that shit is hilarious
n/a Zachums 2017-04-04
I started watching the English dub of Ghost Stories. Fucking hilarious.
n/a captainpriapism 2017-04-04
i tried watching some of that attack on titan a while back because the idea of huge grinning naked people eating everyone sounded funny
but its just so stereotypical
angry edgy emo kid
crying kid
takes an entire episode for them to do like 2 minutes of actual time
aint nobody got time for that
n/a Zachums 2017-04-04
It's definitely very stereotypical, but not any more so than most other anime I've seen. I mostly watched it because the animation is pretty spectacular.
n/a captainpriapism 2017-04-04
yeah pretty much the same here
n/a 3DBeerGoggles 2017-04-04
"Drop the crispy creme, Serpico!"
n/a WingOfWar 2017-04-04
It's actually quite the opposite. Japanese audiences do actually think the stereotypical anime character design looks very Japanese. The race/nationality/ethnicity of anime characters is surprisingly subjective to the viewer's nationality.
n/a 3DBeerGoggles 2017-04-04
My weeb friend tells me that Scarjo's character had a robo-body that looked white, in both the comic and the animated version.
n/a Zachums 2017-04-04
Well, the main character's name is Motoko Kusanagi lol.
n/a 3DBeerGoggles 2017-04-04
Apparently it's not so simple, according to the far fucking too long argument this person puts forth:
https://www.quora.com/Is-Major-Motoko-Kusanagi-from-Ghost-in-the-Shell-Caucasian
n/a Zachums 2017-04-04
Imagine caring that much about a cartoon, wew.
n/a 3DBeerGoggles 2017-04-04
I hit my TL;DR limit pretty quick on that I have to admit.
n/a Zachums 2017-04-04
For real.
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-04-04
That doesn't really matter when her body is completely artificial. She could look like whatever she wants and still be Japanese. (In any case her anime body was Japanese anyway.)
n/a Time_to_Drink 2017-04-04
So? I know a Korean girl called Whinny, does that make her a Canadian girl from 1973? No.
She has mauve hair and red eyes. What race should we profile her as?
n/a Time_to_Drink 2017-04-04
Robots don't have a race
n/a Faked_Beans 2017-04-04
oooooh, he's trolling
n/a WingOfWar 2017-04-04
Interestingly enough, the appearance of anime characters is highly subjective to the audience. Japanese audiences see the stereotypical anime art style and they'll say the characters look very Japanese; however western audiences project their own nationality/ethnicity.
Say what you will, but I think it's a big reason Anime does so well here in the western world. Exotic enough to be it's own thing, but not alienating what so ever. In fact it's very relatable because of that ambiguousness.
Just thought I'd mention that.
n/a YeltsinYerMouth 2017-04-04
Batou and Kusanagi always had western/romanized features. The only major race change is that Ishikawa is black instead of oriental. Minor changes I noticed were that Togusa was originally japanese and not chinese and Batou didn't have whatever accent that was.
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-04-04
Wasn't togusa always Japanese?
Also p sure pazu was replaced by that random Australian women
n/a YeltsinYerMouth 2017-04-04
I mean in the live action film he is played by an actor of Chinese descent.
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-04-04
Ah yeah, I thought you meant he was originally Chinese or the son of Chinese immigrants in the anime and I was thrown off
n/a YeltsinYerMouth 2017-04-04
Chinese immigrant parents would never raise a man who wears a mullet
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-04-04
Togusa's a sexy beast with wonderful hair you knobgobbler
n/a YeltsinYerMouth 2017-04-04
Muffstuffer
n/a Awayfone 2017-04-04
Wait those were Japanese- American actresses not Japanese actresses . Headline you lied to me.
You can't do that on the Internet
n/a Michaelphelpsisquick 2017-04-04
I would have thought a completely cybernetic body transcended race
n/a i_lick_fedoras 2017-04-04
More like Mayo Johansson