r/Anarchism has a calm, reasonable discussion about the Berkeley protests

51  2017-04-28 by Deity_Of_Darkness

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Fuck all happened then.

Up until recently the fate of the world depended on the bravery of antifa turning up at these gatherings to bash fash so they know they aren't welcome.

But since antifa got a kicking that one time it's not worth showing up since the Trumpers are just cringey larpers now.

They win even when they lose.

There is nothing to show up to, Coulter's not coming. They did win.

I thought it was to stop "fascists" organising. They organised, Antifa didn't show.

Not a cookout, not a silent stare down. No opposition at all. Coincidentally, after a beating or two.

Eh, maybe. But Coulter still didn't show so they'll see it as a win, and I can't even say it's wrong.

Besides, if nazis can only organize in the presence of enough cops to outnumber them, that's probably ok in their book too.

But Coulter still didn't show so they'll see it as a win, and I can't even say it's wrong.

They'll see anything as a win for their own morale. Anytime there were more than 6 Trump supporters in a public place until now they'd showed up.

In this case they gathered, made speeches etc. But because Coulter herself didn't show, suddenly it's all ok.

Well yeah. They got the event cancelled.

Though it is pretty funny that all these people took a vacation day and drove god knows how long to stand around in body armor and have nothing happen.

Only since antifa won't fight if they don't outnumber the enemy about 4-1.

The essence of blitzkrieg is local force superiority - they're simply using nazi tactics against them :)

Which only works when you're the larger force, which apparently antifa aren't.

So all that's left is to tuck tail and pretend you never wanted to anyway.

Not at all, you only have to be larger locally. That was the essence of German victories in '41 over numerically larger - but spread out and poorly maneuvering Soviets. Blitzkrieg style warfare in this example would be avoiding massed armored and cop-protected formations, and hitting smaller unprepared groups and meetings.

Anyway, they didn't pretend anything - looking around retroactively, when the Berkeley protest was getting organized b the right, the sentiment was "Coulter's not showing so there is no point in going".

Blitzkrieg style warfare in this example would be avoiding massed armored and cop-protected formations, and hitting smaller unprepared groups and meetings.

I'm not sure "Blitzkrieg" fits here since we're talking about antifa leaving their enemy alive to return more pissed off with larger numbers.

The WW2 comparisons are just silly at this point when it's some skinny xes and xirs doing a slap and run.

The larger numbers are doubtful - because seriously, these people had to drive for hours to stand around. Many flew in. Next time around they're probably going to have a tougher time generating a turnout if anything. It's a lot of effort for not much reason. If antifa has any sense - that's when they'll attack next.

Nah, antifa have given some rootin tootin conservative Americans the red menace they've always wanted to fight. I don't think they'll be slowing down.

They really should make a spectating section and sell hot dogs and $12 pints.

Without a doubt the best reality TV so far.

You don't need to be the larger force at all, but do need well trained and drilled forces working in unison and focusing in one specific area so to punch through the lines and endanger the supply lines in the rear and to force the frontline forces to have to protect their rear.

All of this is far too complex for anarchists to figure out though.

The essence of blitzkrieg is local force superiority

Nigga what? In essence is a series of decisive battles and with the aim of knocking out the opponent before they are able to fully mobilize their forces.

They're never equal battles unless you've fucked something up. That's when it turns into attrition warfare. Before the opponent mobilizes and can meet you on equal terms, you hit their isolated small clumps with your whole force. At any given moment, you're supposed to have massive superiority at your location.

It's not the bonus. It's almost the sole goal of manoeuvre warfare.

Hardly constitutes a win since they got Gavin, Lauren Southern, one of Richard Spencers buds and some other right wing celebs to read her speech for her.

So she herself was too scared to show, and some actual nazis read her speech. Lmao.

Exactly. Anything leftists do generally backfires. Doesn't surprise me to see them claiming it as a win though. A leftist could be hit by a truck and still think he won some fight against vehicles lol. They'll take any scrap.

I mean don't know, but to me that sounds like a loss for the right, with a bit of "coulter = nazi" flavor thrown in.

Tactically speaking, this would be the wrong event for violence, kind of like letting the enemy choose the field and time. I'd expect more actions against smaller less protected gatherings with less cops in the near future. Considering the right wingers have to travel to these events (Berkeley voted 3% Trump after all), every time they have to gather in numbers on a weekday and have nothing happen saps their manpower.

Did you get those sick tactics from the art of war? Really blew me away srsly. Lol stop making excuses for them. There might well have been action but the police did their job for once and arrested a car full of antifa, another with a knife and another who threw a bottle or something were arrested. I mean it's certainly a win for getting police to do their job. I hope every event goes like this. Leftists get arrested and people get to stop dressing like retards and just talk and eat. Wouldn't that be nice.

Tbh I'll be fine if nazis stop bussing in from Central Valley and shit too. I hate both these sets of loonies.

Where did you get the afficiation of those arrested? Haven't seen anything in the news.

They won't have to if people just leave them alone. Then they'll just stick to their local events and get on with their lives and fade to obscurity. This is from the police scanner being listened to. There will probably be an article up when cops release names and charges like last time.

If they had stuck to their local events, nothing would have ever happened anyway - because there aren't enough of these people in Berkeley to put on an event to begin with. Trump got 3% there.

Berkey voted 3% Trump after all

FTFY

Berkeley turnout was around 78% this year, actually not bad.

Its just memes brah. Nobody really cares.

Most people didn't even know about Coulter's appearance until piss babies like you threw a fit about it and increased her exposure tenfold. This happens literally every time because leftists are completely incapable of introspection.

I'm literally one of those people who didn't know about Coulter's appearance until I heard it was cancelled. Then things got hilarious.

Don't think I have a side here. Both atifa and trumptards are retards. I just tend to like the retards with actual nazis in the midst a little less.

Sounds like a YUUUGE win tbh famalam

Baked Alaska isn't that bad actually.

who does this shit on a Thursday?

Lmfao, like any of you trash have jobs.

Politically I'm squarely in the center and I'm laughing my ass off at all of these retards beating the shit out of each other. And not all of us can live in our parent's basement, man's gotta eat.

Yes the point is to stop fascists from organizing. Now disregarding; Ann Coulter being a washed up has-been who isn't fashy to begin with The riot pigs going around searching/disarming & unmasking Antifa + the crowdsourced doxxing campaign on 4chan: Would it have been strategically wise to walk knowingly into a trap the Berkeley cunts laid for us?
It was a mistake to let them bait us last week, as they choose the date; the time; and the goddamn battlefield; it would have been downright embarrassing to make the same mistake twice. Instead, they spent loads of cash bussing people in from all over the States, and all they did was stand around looking like literal idiots.

It was a mistake for them to be attacking largely harmless conservatives or smashing things up in the first place. The current US opposition to them is a reaction to earlier actions. So I'm looking for consistency rather than tactical savvy.

So it looks like they didn't show since they've been outmaneuvered and out muscled now they have actual opposition organising.

I agree when it comes to antifa in Berkeley.. Some just used the anonymity to be destructive and violent. I think it has a lot to do with historically marginalized communities fear that Trump is allowing the Right to develop an ultra nationalist stance on social issues that won't be inclusive to them. Thus the vitriol for ALL Trump supporters; justification of spraying women with mace for wearing MAGA hats. It's definitely a clusterfuck out there and the polarization of groups makes sense from a neutral viewpoint. And yeah of course that had something to do with it. It doesn't seem like many were expecting to meet a well prepared opposition.

I think it has a lot to do with historically marginalized communities fear that Trump is allowing the Right to develop an ultra nationalist stance on social issues that won't be inclusive to them.

People talk like he'll eventually open death camps. He's a shit person to be president but his ground level opposition haven't done themselves any favours with the constant hysteria.

And yeah of course that had something to do with it. It doesn't seem like many were expecting to meet a well prepared opposition.

Just seems like a desperate attempt to live out some middle class civil rights era revival. They've only harmed their own causes so far.

So all I'm getting here is "I'm a pussy who only pretends to disrupt fascist organizers when I'm not scared they'll beat my ass"

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The only fascist group there was Identity Evropa, dipshit.

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Lel law enforcement has done infinitely more to contain the far right/neo nazi threat than you idiots.

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I'm so confused.... the fascist won because they stood around like idiots? Here's to.... standing up for standing around in fake battle armor...

No you were right to not engage them if you have no specific reason to. There's like a million better things to do on a thursday than get in a pissing match with some low intelligence yokels.

I love it. The fascists have nobody to yell at or fight so they're just yelling at random civilians who are passing by. All while in full LARP gear.

Haha yeah /u/bocuma-747 antifa always have somebody to fight because they intend to attack random people. Checkmate trumpers

Holy shit, so you're allowing them to have an actual free speech rally? Oh god the faggot anarchists are so close to winning this shit.

It's almost like this is what everyone has been saying. Maybe stop breaking windows when people they don't like are gonna talk, too, and watch them fade into relative obscurity.

I can't believe 19 year olds don't have all the answers, what a revelation.

When the Milo protests were happening, watching it as someone firmly on the 'leftist' side was so frustrating. Like.... just ignore him you idiots, you aren't his detractors you are his product. Without a reaction people are gonna figure out how fundamentally boring his schtick is and he'll go back to cribbing Tori Amos lyrics for poetry books

cribbing Tori Amos lyrics for poetry books

Whatever happened to Lisa Loeb though?

She was in Hot Tub Time Machine 2. 14% on rt. Still gotit

This is insulting to Lisa Loeb. Delete this.

oh so we should just ignore everything that ever happens, and never protests, because it plays into their hands. good thinking lib

Just not Milo. Thats his game, and without you he's boring. Same thing about Lauren Southern: their whole thing is to get peoples reactions. I did love it when she got piss dumped on her tho, that was funny.

Lol antifa is bottling their body waste to pour on people they don't like? What badasses!

I think this was actually a feminist thing a while ago. I don't think its badass, I just think its funny af. You can tell me you wouldn't snigger if the same happened to any celebrity you think is shit if you like but I'm not buying it. Fuck it, I'd laugh if it happened to someone I liked

Fair enough, I just think it's pretty vile. I kinda associate piss bottles with neckbeards, homeless people, and truckers. Using piss and shit as weapons is literally what wild animals do.

While it would be kinda funny to see Steve-O or whatever in some juvenile prank getting nailed with a piss bottle, but using piss and shit on your political opponents is not exactly good optics.

I went to a grunge festival once and there was a pop band playing, trying to broaden their market I guess. It was like that scene in 300 with the arrows, but wioth bottles of piss, and they played one song when fled the stage. It was disgusting behaviour, but it was also pretty fucking funny. A couple of years later 50 cent played a few years later and the same thing happened to him

it's a joke famalam

i'm mocking dumb antifa opinions

obviously milo is just a troll and you should not attend to him

Like.... just ignore him you idiots

Nope, they're all competing for the spotlight, and Milo/Coulter are big opportunities for them.

The SJW thing in general is a competition, not a team effort, that's why 95% of a SJW's time is spent witch hunting another SJW.

You consider Black bloc anarchists to be SJWs? I just think both sides of Berkeley are people who like a ruck

"We prevented him from speaking in front of a couple of hundred people, now he merely spoke in front of millions in the role of a victim on TV and his upcoming book climbed to the top of the Amazon bestseller list. Great success guys! We sure bashed them fashs! (and those innocent business owners around the facility)

We did it reddit!

They kept saying, "by any means necessary." Turns out, the means that was necessary was shutting the fuck up.

Wow. It looks like this kid is ready to level up to first-class social maladaptive. Godspeed, comrade.

Bwahahaha we have seen the true face of /pol

https://i.imgur.com/Y5UeEdX.jpg

And it's fucking hilarious.

Antifa is also as equally pathetic.

I want to say yes. But when you combine 4chan and maga you definitely win the race, if only by a nose.

Actually, you just get a bunch of lame ass nerds brushing shoulders with trust fund egomaniac brats

Not equally.

Damage control

idk, teenage punks and burnouts vs ...whatever that is

Did you look at those pictures?

Thats second one is great. /r/beholdthemasterrace

This is very good.

How tragic. "WE CANT LET FASCISTS SPEAK!... Oh wait there's no one left to riot.... IT WAS ALL PART OF OUR PLAN. LET THEM SPEAK!"

lol Antifa have set back the far left's hope of attracting normal people to their causes. It's just angry, mentally ill people smashing trash cans, attacking people who attend conservative talks. It amuses me that these people are so unhinged, they consider everyone, from grandpa to any Trump supporter a 'fascist'. And these people think bringing guns and threatening everyone that attends Coulter's speech is a totally rational, reasonable way of communicating their ideas.

lol Antifa have set back the far left's hope of attracting normal people to their causes.

What, in every country, or just the entirety of America? How much power do you think anarcho-hippies have? Are they at the same time too strong and too weak?

Hard to set something back when it wasn't there in the first place

Keep in mind an increasing number of mainstream liberals are joining in now. It really isn't the "far left" anymore.

Yeah and it continues to alienate more moderate individuals, or those people who just plain don't like people inciting political violence.

Whatever happened to "winning hearts and minds"?

I don't think winning hearts and minds has ever been a dominant strategy for societal change though. The large majority of people in any society aren't gonna step out of line no matter what happens.

no, most people aren't going to step out of line, you're right there. But at the very least make it so that the average person doesn't have a negative view of you or may outright resist you because they see you as a threat.

Yeah, and it's going to be the death of this country.

This is a roadmap to a civil war the left can't hope to win, and which nobody but you crazy fucks (and your counterparts on the other side) want to see. Civil wars are god awful, full of way more rape and genocide than normal ones. YAY!

Who said I want to see a fucking civil war? Sounds like a bad time to me.

an increasing number of mainstream liberals are joining in now

There are like Clinton supporters and shit advocating violence everywhere.

I'm glad Berners are shouting the "CTR did this" meme loud and proud in 2017.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but if you talk to antifa people or even look at pics on Twitter and shit you will see a lot of people who are most definitely not far-left.

even look at pics on Twitter

Christ, even the resident anarchist doesn't go outside to look at actual anarchists. smh.

Not exactly a huge fan of the street brawling.

Who said anything about brawling?

Your waifu Sawant is planning a riot for May Day here. Come watch the fun.

In Seattle? Too far west for me.

Your region shaming is noted.

Don't region shame me bb

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It's taken him 100 days to realise Daddy isn't coming back to him with what he promised.

/u/BoundlessAsh, do you suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome or autism? I wonder what's it like to be constantly triggered by "DO YOU SUPPORT HATE SPEECH".

Apparently not wanting to murder people for attending Milo's talk or Coulter's talk is "hate speech and supporting fascism". These weak edgy teenagers have never dealt with real fascists who have had military training.

You don't have to read Kropotkin to be anarchist. There were even plenty of illiterate anarchists in historical movements.

Yeah, because it's easier to buy into anarchism when you're an uneducated, semi-literate/illiterate mouth-breather.

Then I'd take them at their word. You don't have to read Kropotkin to be anarchist. There were even plenty of illiterate anarchists in historical movements.

And /u/killthebillionaires is pretty desperate if they are claiming that edgy Antifa are "true anarchists". It makes them look less like a respectable workers movement and more like terrorist sympathizers.

That's just it, I think. Antifa has pretty much won the presence battle. It was always symbolic, anyway. If anyone we're to ask me (which, of course, nobody did), I'd say it's time to consolidate Berkeley by hitting any neo-nazi presence there where the cops and trucked-in supporters can't help them.

/u/midnite-tequila, do you realize that most normal people view Antifa as terrorists, not some "freedom fighters"? They literally are having a fantasy of Antifa gunning down Nazis and "being the saviour of minorities", when they will likely shoot a few Trump supporters and claim they are "fascists".

It's incredible how unhinged these people are, they fascism is such a great danger today, and that these socially retarded, edgy teenagers who get triggered by Trump, are the only ones that can stand up to these imaginary Nazis.

Then we have no option but to view you as one of your so-called "normal" people, do we?

Fucking normies am I right

What is normal? I don't know... or care, really.

Most normal people giggle when anarchists and trumptards fight each other - whoever loses, we win!

i can't believe the comment itt. No it is NOT a good thing Antifa haven't showed up. Antifa exist so that fascists cannot organise and occupy areas making them unsafe for PoC and queer folks. Antifa exists to confront fascists. Without physical presence you're simply letting the fascists win. If these people are not opposed they'll be emboldened and energised. They'll feel like they own the streets and can now do as they please. Seriously wtf is up with this sub today. Is it just brigades?

/u/swoleprole, what's it like being mentally ill and so self important that you think you and Antifa are the only ones preventing fascism from seizing power in America?

The fascists look like clowns.

They look just like antifa, only with better cosplay skills.

Instead of better, lets just say different

More creative at least.
While Antifa is usually in boring black, fashs at least got a bit of variety. And capes. Capes are pretty swanky.

wow, a kilt and what I assume is an empty plate carrier. And the motorcycle helmet on SWAT cosplay is a nice touch.

Antifa was smart to let them show their true colors this time. The fascists look like clowns.

Wow who would have though when violent thugs aren't there to fight the trumpets look stupid. Almost like the violent lunatics in masks were the only thing making them look like the good guys the whole time.

Congrats /u/Bocuma-747 on finally catching on to what the rest of us all realized months ago

making them look like the good guys the whole time

Lmao that never happened.

idk dude it's hard not to root for the guys chasing antifa away. And unlike antifa they don't attack innocent bystanders. If I have to choose which retards I'll pick the ones that only hit the other retards.

At least one set of retards actively tries to de-retard the place, the other retards just tard the place up.

Personally I'll always prefer the side with no nazis in it - but really the more they fight the better.

LOL is this a joke?

Probably. But which part?

you

bro, getting booty blasted in /r/drama is bad form.

Havent you been the one replying to everyone here?

It's been a slow day.

And what innocent bystanders?

Anyone they think is a nazi for being in the wrong place or wearing the wrong color hat. But you know this already.

Are we talking regular people or retards here?

What's the difference?

If you're antifa, nazi, or a trump supporter, I really don't care if you get punched out at a political brawl. If you're a normal person trying to go about their business, my jimmies will get rustled.

So, you're saying we should beat the shit out of you?

Oh boy, we have a tough guy over here.

I'm just a normal person going about my business and chuckling at all the retards streaming into the bay area to fight each other. Shit's tits. But What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?

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what the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch

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OP seems rather bottom bothered about something.

/u/swoleprole please unironically consider suicide

Coincidentally, I ironically considered suicide last night. I recommend that instead of the real thing. It made me feel fun and relatable, instead of unironic suicidal thoughts, which always made me feel pathetic.

Well the highway is alive tonight Where it's headed everybody knows I'm sitting down here in the campfire light Waiting on the ghost of Tom Joad Now Tom said, "Mom, wherever there's a cop beating a guy Wherever a hungry newborn baby cries Where there's a fight against the blood and hatred in the air Look for me, Mom, I'll be there Wherever somebody's fighting for a place to stand Or a decent job or a helping hand Wherever somebody's struggling to be free Look for me, Ma, I'll be on Reddit.

I think both sides will move on and do other things with their lives and they will forget about this... not knocking the left, but the right side at those demos, im sure 80 percent of them each has their own citizen journalist youtube channel and they will find some other fantasy land to wonder off to sooner or later...

For Nazis they didn't seem to cause a single problem anywhere. We need more of these Nazis