race is inextricable from class in the us, thats what fucking reddit idiots always fail to understand.
Do you understand that when people point out that "privilege" is linked more to socio-economic class than race, it's not because we fail to acknowledge that the two are correlated, but rather we realize that class has the stronger correlation with unearned advantages and opportunities.
Jesus. I emphasized it with italics and everything so you wouldn't miss it, but you're determined to cast anyone who questions the appropriateness of the term "white privilege" as a racist.
Here's a few exercises.
If socio-economic class and race were both correlated with domestic violence, which covariate would you assume is the root cause of the higher rates of domestic violence?
If socio-economic class and race were both correlated with "privilege" in the form of greater educational and career opportunities, which covariate would you assume is the root cause of the unearned advantages?
So you agree we can't conclude that a person's whiteness "causes" society to bestow "privilege" and blackness "causes" society to deny a person "privilege".
I don't want to give views to themarysue.com or theroot so go to their front pages and see that white women and black men already started to whitesplain (lol) and mansplain feminism to her.
Sorry I didn't realize that you were a Swedish Anarchist, I thought you were a normal person who thinks Blue Lives Matter is praising the institutionalized racism that is keeping African-Americans down.
I'm starting to lose the ability to tell what is Sarcasm or not
Agreed, why can't people just realise that we live in a post-racial society?
This is sarcasm because post-racial society is racist, I understand that much.
As expected of the far-left.
This is the bit that made me assume you were a NeoLiberal or a 3rd Way Democrat, or a SandersSupporter since it's also sarcastic I just guessed the wrong direction of the sarcasm.
Racism is a method for the ruling class to split the proletariat, why the hell should I abandon my principles because redditors get offended and whine about it on the internet?
Apathy towards bigotry does not make someone class-conscious.
Racism is a method for the ruling class to split the proletariat
That statement was preceded by statements on how important recognizing the different races is. The black man you and your fellow shitheads were shitting on tried to talk about class. You guys said NAH RACE is more important. Now who is doing the "ruling classes" job?
We don't live in a classless society, systematic racism is a very real thing. Freeman wants to discredit the notion behind institutional racism and discredits movements such as BLM.
Freeman is trying to get away from racial stereotypes that perpetuated by A. Racists B.Liberals (of whom you seem to be a great example) . Both of whom can't shut up about all the differences they see between the races. At least the racists have dignity to recognize they are doing it.
Im going to repeat this because of your blindspot :
Racism is a method for the ruling class to split the proletariat
Then you go and defend a group who is all about pointing at the difference in the races, making that difference as obvious as possible and widening the gulf between them.
defend a group who is all about pointing at the difference in the races
I defend a group whose core values is fighting institutional racism, which is not the same as implying that races have any inherent differences or whatever you're equating it with.
I like how a number of people there correctly identify that race is used as a tool by the upper class to divide the lower class and then proceed to blame poor blacks for all of their problems instead.
Some of them are so damn close, but the last step apparently is the most important of them all.
Our mods were too busy gulping semen to bother looking. Drama only happens when Drumpf farts in front of people or when people argue over amateur erotica.
I can totally see how racism is very important to class inequality. There's no question that black people have been put in a very impoverished position.
However, how the fuck does transphobia contribute significantly or at all to class inequality? Seriously how many trans people do you know? do you think they make up a huge part of the working class? It makes no sense that people spend so much time on trans issues as if trans suffering is somehow anywhere near on the scale of black suffering. Also I got banned from an anarchist facebook page for expressing this opinion in a much more civil way.
Yeah, too many people either can't or refuse to connect classism with other forms of bigotry despite the fact they're closely linked. That's if they even accept classism, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc. exist.
Tbh it fucking offends me a lot that these people would put trans suffering on anywhere near the same pedestal as black suffering.
Here's my shithead conspiracy:
Whiny men create a cultural meme that trans people are a huuuge suffering class who should be seen as the ultimate victims of society on par with people who have been slaves in recent history
Everyone eats it up
Said men transition to invade women's safe spaces, taking over the oppression that women have suffered for millenia, and then becoming the victim of two oppressed classes
They are completely immune from any criticism and any and all criticism is viewed as evil.
So these men have found a way to invent a culturally oppressed class "on the same level as" much more significant oppressed classes. They then use this to infiltrate women's safe spaces and basically strip them of any self-identity.
I'm not saying MTF trans don't exist, I think they do, but I also think many do it because they want to be part of an oppressed class. They've invented the perfect oppressed class which they can never be criticised for.
Sorry for the completely random rant, I just think there are some people out there taking advantage of their oppressed status (which they themselves invented) and using it to belittle and bully others.
I don't know about your situation but personally I have to wonder how many are suffering from gender dysphoria, and how many have chosen to re-identify to a minority group.
It's a pretty taboo subject but it's just too strong of a possibility for me, especially with the current culture in SJWs where oppressed groups are always seen as correct and majority groups aren't allowed any form of opinion.
Many trans women are just men hijacking women's safe spaces and oppressed status
That's exactly what they're arguing. It's a black guy saying black can be successful if they work hard, just like anyone else, and these white teens are denying his lived experience.
That's very tough of you. Go fight in a war, become a man. I have a secret for you: deep down, people who've done it always kinda don't respect people who haven't.
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n/a fajardo99 2017-05-17
can you guys give it a rest already?
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-05-17
no
n/a SmurfPrivilege 2017-05-17
Do you understand that when people point out that "privilege" is linked more to socio-economic class than race, it's not because we fail to acknowledge that the two are correlated, but rather we realize that class has the stronger correlation with unearned advantages and opportunities.
n/a fajardo99 2017-05-17
and then you proceed to cast aside the racial links to said inequality.
n/a Dial_A_Dragon 2017-05-17
Ikr? Asians, Pajeets and Jews are clearly gaming the system!
n/a Thhueros 2017-05-17
You'll see things differently once you get your first job.
n/a TSwizzlesNipples 2017-05-17
McDonald's wages are hardly a come up.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-05-17
His mother's boyfriend will be happy with any monetary contribution rather than the current and consistent drain.
n/a zwiebelhans 2017-05-17
lol you talk like a racist piece of shit.
n/a Illuminatesfolly 2017-05-17
This coming from you of all people. We all know you, dude.
n/a SmurfPrivilege 2017-05-17
Jesus. I emphasized it with italics and everything so you wouldn't miss it, but you're determined to cast anyone who questions the appropriateness of the term "white privilege" as a racist.
Here's a few exercises.
If socio-economic class and race were both correlated with domestic violence, which covariate would you assume is the root cause of the higher rates of domestic violence?
If socio-economic class and race were both correlated with "privilege" in the form of greater educational and career opportunities, which covariate would you assume is the root cause of the unearned advantages?
Answers are provided below.
Answer: 1. Neither. You wouldn't assume and instead do a factor analysis. 2. Neither. You wouldn't assume and instead do a factor analysis.
n/a Illuminatesfolly 2017-05-17
n/a SmurfPrivilege 2017-05-17
So you agree we can't conclude that a person's whiteness "causes" society to bestow "privilege" and blackness "causes" society to deny a person "privilege".
Perfect. We're on the same page on this.
n/a LemonScore 2017-05-17
No rest for the autistic
n/a 80BAIT08 2017-05-17
Wow can you not try and police marginalized subreddits please.
n/a PrigBickDoblems 2017-05-17
Are we too smug for you?
n/a zahlman 2017-05-17
Can you?
n/a OldOrder 2017-05-17
Stop saying dumb shit and you will stop getting linked fam.
n/a Illuminatesfolly 2017-05-17
This coming from /r/Drama. Okay.
n/a OldOrder 2017-05-17
> Implying the sub advocating mayocide is on the wrong side of history
SMH fam
n/a Illuminatesfolly 2017-05-17
Now this is a comment we can all get behind
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
That's not really a thing we do.
n/a Sarge_Ward 2017-05-17
Two different comments where they call the guy an Uncle Tom.
Jesus Christ....
n/a mehforeverybody 2017-05-17
White men talking over a black man and calling him uncle tom, wonderful.
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-05-17
It's incredible tbqh
n/a Ylajali_2002 2017-05-17
Cumskins need to shut up and listen to the experiences of PoC but only if the Poc already agree with my own political opinions
n/a mehforeverybody 2017-05-17
I don't want to give views to themarysue.com or theroot so go to their front pages and see that white women and black men already started to whitesplain (lol) and mansplain feminism to her.
n/a Ylajali_2002 2017-05-17
who is "her"?
n/a mehforeverybody 2017-05-17
Answered to the wrong comment.
n/a mehforeverybody 2017-05-17
Sorry, answered to a comment from a different tread in r/ drama
n/a LemonScore 2017-05-17
We're reaching levels of irony that shouldn't be possible!
n/a PrigBickDoblems 2017-05-17
So he's a normal person? Wonderful, thanks /u/Mirai2468.
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
sharpens horseshoe
Agreed, why can't people just realise that we live in a post-racial society? As expected of the far-left.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-05-17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTe70CmYWv4
Do you ever just feel the cognitive dissonance?
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
What the fuck is your point?
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-05-17
Sorry I didn't realize that you were a Swedish Anarchist, I thought you were a normal person who thinks Blue Lives Matter is praising the institutionalized racism that is keeping African-Americans down.
I'm starting to lose the ability to tell what is Sarcasm or not
This is sarcasm because post-racial society is racist, I understand that much.
This is the bit that made me assume you were a NeoLiberal or a 3rd Way Democrat, or a SandersSupporter since it's also sarcastic I just guessed the wrong direction of the sarcasm.
n/a fajardo99 2017-05-17
they dont.
n/a Tar-mairon 2017-05-17
Are you white?
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
Cuck.
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
SJW cultural marxist
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-05-17
R u ok
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
Yeah.
n/a Chavril 2017-05-17
did you just forget to sign in to your alt you fucking moron??
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
Don't have an alt.
n/a Chavril 2017-05-17
so you're just lobbing insults at yourself?
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
Don't judge me too harshly.
n/a Chavril 2017-05-17
do you even know where you are?
n/a zwiebelhans 2017-05-17
lol SJWs keep harping on and on and on about race. No wonder the dumb hicks don't forget about it.
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
Stopped reading lmao.
n/a zwiebelhans 2017-05-17
You would, Accusing hicks of being dumb. But OH NO that purson slurred me with 3 letters.
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
Stop being so thin-skinned about people calling you dumb for using slurs.
n/a zwiebelhans 2017-05-17
Stop telling hicks race is the important thing and maybe they will stop acting like its the most important thing.
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
Racism is a method for the ruling class to split the proletariat, why the hell should I abandon my principles because redditors get offended and whine about it on the internet?
Apathy towards bigotry does not make someone class-conscious.
n/a zwiebelhans 2017-05-17
That statement was preceded by statements on how important recognizing the different races is. The black man you and your fellow shitheads were shitting on tried to talk about class. You guys said NAH RACE is more important. Now who is doing the "ruling classes" job?
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
We don't live in a classless society, systematic racism is a very real thing. Freeman wants to discredit the notion behind institutional racism and discredits movements such as BLM.
n/a Catcac 2017-05-17
Don't worry. BLM discredits them selfs.
n/a zwiebelhans 2017-05-17
I think you got some sort of blind spot.
Freeman is trying to get away from racial stereotypes that perpetuated by A. Racists B.Liberals (of whom you seem to be a great example) . Both of whom can't shut up about all the differences they see between the races. At least the racists have dignity to recognize they are doing it.
Im going to repeat this because of your blindspot :
Then you go and defend a group who is all about pointing at the difference in the races, making that difference as obvious as possible and widening the gulf between them.
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
I defend a group whose core values is fighting institutional racism, which is not the same as implying that races have any inherent differences or whatever you're equating it with.
And I'm an edgy leftist, not a fucking liberal.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-05-17
No you're just a 20 something with no life experience.
n/a izuerial 2017-05-17
I wonder if it's because that notion is stupid? 🤔🤔🤔
n/a OldOrder 2017-05-17
Stopped reading
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-05-17
lmao how old are you
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-05-17
"SJWs don't exist!"
Signed, SJWs
I really used to think it was a stupid term that didn't describe anyone but strawmen. Then I found reddit and posters like you.
n/a BannaHamHock 2017-05-17
Some of them are so damn close, but the last step apparently is the most important of them all.
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-05-17
Why are a shitload of comments in that /r/circlebroke2 thread literally okay with calling him an uncle Tom ?
n/a autistitron 2017-05-17
/r/circlebroke2 is full of white people who think they're superior to minorities in a noble way.
So when a black man doesn't do what /r/circlebroke2 wants, suddenly the racial slurs come flying out
n/a Illuminatesfolly 2017-05-17
TIL "Uncle Tom" is a racial slur
TIL you are stupid enough to agree with Imgur_Lurker and SovietWarfare wbout anything, especially after yesterday's embarassing showing.
What a great time to be alive, you've earned your maroon "idiot" tag today.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
This is good stuff, do you mind if I steal it and spam it all over the place?
n/a Illuminatesfolly 2017-05-17
You mean like I do? Yeah go for it
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
thx fam
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-05-17
Do you think "house negro" is also not a racial epithet ?
n/a Illuminatesfolly 2017-05-17
Do you think house negro and uncle tom are the same? As if theres no intervening history of language?
This is on the level of no not illegal! with the trump stuff. Like, okay, thats not the point.
Sounds like plain old Not an argument even
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-05-17
No but I think they're pretty close nowadays.
Literally no idea what you're referring to here, Trump's an abominable piece of shit
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
Uncle Tom is not a racist slur in the same sense that Mexican is not a racist slur.
n/a autistitron 2017-05-17
You should probably Google a term before you sperg out and embarrass yourself.
n/a Illuminatesfolly 2017-05-17
you're demonstrably wrong or too stupid tk understand that words have meanings
haha you have autism
Imagine people this smart on /r/Drama
n/a pm_me_ur_cats_toes 2017-05-17
Huh. Is that considered a racial slur now?
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-05-17
http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/tom/
n/a pm_me_ur_cats_toes 2017-05-17
Nigga you really expect me to read all that shit?
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-05-17
Lol I edited that by the time I saw this comment
tl, dr kinda
n/a pm_me_ur_cats_toes 2017-05-17
Huh, I just assumed it was kosher because I hear SJWs using it all the time.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
Yeah, triggered liberals from Connecticut always get the racial shit exactly right.
n/a PrigBickDoblems 2017-05-17
People make fun of you to your face, irl
n/a Mirai2468 2017-05-17
Wow rude.
n/a SovietWarfare 2017-05-17
Not sure if true, he's super democrat. I mean the DNC leaks shows he donates pretty baller to them.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
It takes a while for the modern man to uncuck himself.
20% of black men voted Republican this year, but it took a superhero like Donald Trump to make it happen.
n/a SWIMsfriend 2017-05-17
Wrong, I think Bush got like 2x the black vote
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
Bush got 11% of the black vote.
I was speaking of the black male vote, though. Trump got a very high percentage of the black male vote.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-05-17
Where did you get that number from?
n/a PrigBickDoblems 2017-05-17
A crazy normie
n/a zahlman 2017-05-17
literally no drama
But did you check the thread they're moaning about, tho?
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wew
n/a bleasehalb 2017-05-17
Our mods were too busy gulping semen to bother looking. Drama only happens when Drumpf farts in front of people or when people argue over amateur erotica.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-05-17
Got em.
n/a ______________pewpew 2017-05-17
Rich person: "just stop being poor!"
n/a takaci 2017-05-17
Irrelevant agendapost here:
I can totally see how racism is very important to class inequality. There's no question that black people have been put in a very impoverished position.
However, how the fuck does transphobia contribute significantly or at all to class inequality? Seriously how many trans people do you know? do you think they make up a huge part of the working class? It makes no sense that people spend so much time on trans issues as if trans suffering is somehow anywhere near on the scale of black suffering. Also I got banned from an anarchist facebook page for expressing this opinion in a much more civil way.
Tbh it fucking offends me a lot that these people would put trans suffering on anywhere near the same pedestal as black suffering.
Here's my shithead conspiracy:
Whiny men create a cultural meme that trans people are a huuuge suffering class who should be seen as the ultimate victims of society on par with people who have been slaves in recent history
Everyone eats it up
Said men transition to invade women's safe spaces, taking over the oppression that women have suffered for millenia, and then becoming the victim of two oppressed classes
They are completely immune from any criticism and any and all criticism is viewed as evil.
So these men have found a way to invent a culturally oppressed class "on the same level as" much more significant oppressed classes. They then use this to infiltrate women's safe spaces and basically strip them of any self-identity.
I'm not saying MTF trans don't exist, I think they do, but I also think many do it because they want to be part of an oppressed class. They've invented the perfect oppressed class which they can never be criticised for.
Note that they also hate the idea of transracialism, to the point where a transracialism paper in a feminist thought journal was effectively brought down by these people, basically shutting down any other forms of identity change other than gender.
Sorry for the completely random rant, I just think there are some people out there taking advantage of their oppressed status (which they themselves invented) and using it to belittle and bully others.
n/a Ennui2778 2017-05-17
Yeah, I'm not reading all that.
n/a takaci 2017-05-17
You don't have to I just felt like ranting about trannies
n/a pm_me_ur_cats_toes 2017-05-17
I didn't read the entire thing but I read enough random sentence fragments to know I agree with you.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
Too many.
n/a takaci 2017-05-17
I don't know about your situation but personally I have to wonder how many are suffering from gender dysphoria, and how many have chosen to re-identify to a minority group.
It's a pretty taboo subject but it's just too strong of a possibility for me, especially with the current culture in SJWs where oppressed groups are always seen as correct and majority groups aren't allowed any form of opinion.
Many trans women are just men hijacking women's safe spaces and oppressed status
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
Progressivism has no endpoint. It is just a spiral of ever-gayer nonsense.
n/a Wowbagger1 2017-05-17
Isn't Freeman banging his adopting granddaughter or something?
n/a menvaren 2017-05-17
It's just so bizarre to think that a circlebroker's family hates them.
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-05-17
"Black people will never succeed in life" - Alt-Right & SJWs
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-05-17
That's exactly what they're arguing. It's a black guy saying black can be successful if they work hard, just like anyone else, and these white teens are denying his lived experience.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
Amusingly, I, a literal fascist, am to the "left" of him on this issue.
Yes, any individual can succeed but that doesn't mean things are fair for a whole population.
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-05-17
lmao a literal fascist
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
Fascism built everything you hold dear, little boy.
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-05-17
Have you ever even been in a war, you dumb faggot
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
We have always been at war, little one.
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-05-17
So that's a no
lmao
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
lmao
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-05-17
Do you LARP about warfighting and watch youtube videos about guns and stuff?
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
No, but I murder the shit out of paper targets, deer and ducks!
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-05-17
That's very tough of you. Go fight in a war, become a man. I have a secret for you: deep down, people who've done it always kinda don't respect people who haven't.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
I don't know, brah. This didn't work for Bradley Manning.
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-05-17
I bet he could beat you up
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-17
Not any more, lol
n/a Ace4929 2017-05-17
Muh horseshoe theory dont real
n/a MooseHeckler 2017-05-17
Even though he is married to his own step grand-daughter, I still like Morgan Freeman.
n/a saint2e 2017-05-17
Don't you know that if you're born mayo you can just become a CEO of a major corporation? It's that easy. /s