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lol how do these guys not know the difference between a real vagina and a fake transexual hole or whatever.

from pictures ive seen and jerked off extensivly to it is obvious that traps and real girls are different but traps are actually better.

Girls: yeasty
Traps: not yeasty

The choice is obvious

i like bread and beer

Yeah honestly, I could see maybe getting tricked into a blowjob or something, a handy, but how do they not know instantly?

Are they just virgins?

man hands

I don't know, I've seen some pretty convincing trannies.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transtimelines/top/

Some of them look more like women than most women do.

I think might be gay, dude.

It's because they are women :)

lol how do these guys not know the difference between a man and woman's bone structure. The jaw is usually a dead giveaway.

if you can afford transition surgery, you can afford jaw reshaping

They prey on young and very inexperienced kids who don't know any better.

Have you disclosed your medical history to your partner?

Why is it that this line of reasoning always comes up in cases like these?

because obviously being trans is as important as having got the flu that one time at 11

or your HIV diagnoses ;)

When I'm woth a partner for a longer time, I actually would. It's just saver dor when I can't speak for myself.

Especially because being trans usually excludes you from having biological children which is something that you probably would/should disclose in a serious relationship regardless of the cause.

Sure, but you can disclose infertility without discussing whether you're trans.

not even a long time. if I acting all fucked up, I'd rather my date know my blood sugar is probably low, rather than thinking that I'm tweaked or drunk.

Yep, that's what I meant. It's just a safety precaution.

/u/IronMyr telling your partner if you have STDs or whether you're on birth control for heteros is vital information even for a one night stand because they need to know if they can contract something or there will be an accidental pregnancy from intercourse if a condom isn't used.

Additionally, telling your partner you're sterile or only have a short time to live is vital information for someone considering a long term relationship because they need to know how you factor into their long term life plans, especially if they want children. Being a tranny is basically the same as being sterile, so I say you have to tell a serious partner.

I don't get it. Are people saying it's OK to for a post op trans to date hetero guys with out telling them they were a dude? Isnt that sexual assault?

How is that, in any form, assault?

If someone who has aids, and they don't tell their fuck buddy, they can be charged. If an unsuspecting hetero man was caught with a Trans in Ghana, he could be convicted for homosexuality. Had the the Trans been upfront the innocent man would not be in trouble.

Isnt that sexual assault?

Naah: it really isn't, y'know.

What? If I'm not gay, and someone tricks me into coitus with a dude, I have been sexually assaulted. No different than if I were an uggo slob and slipped a micky in to a rocket's drink. There is no way in he'll she would ever stoop to such depths, but she did because she was tricked. Same diff.

If you didn't notice, no one is really tricking you. You would be consenting to sex.

I believe if I were to tell a woman I'm Brad Pitt, then bed her (whilst she believes it -can't blame her) that's sexually assualt. If a dude in make up beds me because I'm obviously wasted and don't know what a vulva looks like, same diff.

If you look up "impersonation in the act of a crime" laws you will see what I'm talking about. Of course laws will vary village by village, but it's still a counties crime, AFAIC

I looked up that law, seems like it only has to do with pecuniary crimes and/or impersonation of individuals.

Which is not the case here.

If you are wasted enough to have sex with an unconvincing woman, you should really evaluate your life's choices and not externalize the blame.

I'm not so sure. A big reason I'm hetero is because natural women are less manly. For example, what I do to terlets in the morning could be considered a crime. Luckily, I don't have to put up with that with my wife. Another appealing aspect of natural women is shoe/trouser/blazer sizing. There's no way in he'll my wife's size 5 feet are going to be borrowing my 12's . Same for my slacks...just not gonna fit. I don't have to tell you she looks like 10 year old hobo in my dbl breast merino wool do I?

The pointbstands : men are filthy brutes, and many of us want to cohabitate with proper ladies.

A big reason i'm hetero is because big natural boobs is my fetish.

May i introduce you to Ms Trinity Taylor

Not trans, just a queen and surgery, but STILL

But this whole thread is about being "tricked" by trans women, right? A "filthy brute" like you describe obviously wouldn't be able to do that, and any trans woman able to get you in bed obviously wouldn't be a filthy brute. Your line of reasoning doesn't make sense.

"Her" plumbing is still manly.

this has nothing to do with your filthy brute ramblings

What. Just cuz a dude loses his pens doesn't mean his biological functions all of a sudden become demure. A mini skirt and garish make up doesn't change the fact that men are ... men.

your beliefs are strange

Kind of uncalled for tbh

I distinctly remember Ghazi reminiscing about Revenge of the Nerds and the "rape" scene where the blonde female Stacy unknowingly has sex with the nerd protagonist because he is wearing her boyfriends Halloween costume. If she didn't notice, is he really "tricking" her?

Hmz, that's different, as he is impersonating an individual. But if Stacy didn't bother to check, I doubt it could make a great case anyways.

If you didn't notice, no one is really tricking you.

It took one oft-cited example from another context for you to abandon your original assertion and start carving out exceptions for deceptions committed by cis people.

that's different, as he is impersonating an individual.

Here's another (real) one that I deal with:

I'm in my forties, but get mistaken for 30 by pretty much everyone. That means women 20-25 will take an interest in me before knowing my age. Some of them don't care when they find out and will continue the flirtation. Some of them do care and instantly lose interest. Maybe they fell it's "icky" and "wrong"; maybe they realize there's no long term future with me as they envision it.

First question: Am I obligated to disclose my age if they don't ask?

Second (related, but distinct) question: Am it disrespectful for me not to disclose me age if they don't ask?

It took one oft-cited example from another context for you to abandon your original assertion and start carving out exceptions for deceptions committed by cis people

What are you even saying? You cited a cheesy fucking movie, you dolt. Anyway, impersonating individuals is against the law, so i'm not really carving out an exception anyways.

And as long as you are both consenting adults, I see no reason to tell them your age without being asked. If they ask and you lie, that's on you. If they don't and you both have a good time, that's a no harm no foul in my book.

Melvin from Toxic Avenger

Did you just suggest trans people are akin to The Toxic Avenger?

Did you touch yourself when writing this gotcha comment?

And are you saying there is something wrong with toxie? you ableist piece of scum.

I personally think The Toxic Avenger is beautiful on the inside. But I'm not sure the trans community would appreciate your comparison.

If they don't and you both have a good time, that's a no harm no foul in my book.

Also, the nerd and Stacy both had a good time. No harm, no foul, I guess.

The foul is that the nerd is impersonating the jock, an individual. that is an entirely different situation.

But I'm not sure the trans community would appreciate your comparison.

If they don't sperg out over toxie's appearance (like you're doing) and look at the underlying main point: sometimes you don't have to tell everything, and if the other doesnt get hurt by it or notice it, then why not?

The foul is that the nerd is impersonating the jock, an individual. that is an entirely different situation.

But I'm not sure the trans community would appreciate your comparison.

If they don't sperg out over toxie's appearance (like you're doing) and look at the underlying main point: sometimes you don't have to tell everything, and if the other doesnt get hurt by it or notice it, then why not?

impersonating an individual.

So if you're a dude impersonating a chick it's ok?

Is that dude an individual?

Might not be honest, but that's freedom for you.

I think you know what I'm saying though, and I think you're being purposefully obtuse. It may not be a legal betrayal (though I'm sure it could be argued) but it's certainly a moral betrayal.

No it isnt a legal betrayal. On what grounds, even? Lying isn't illegal, unless you harm others with it. Someone who has sex and doesn't know the difference isn't being harmed.

Going back to the sexual assault thing with the legal betrayal.

I wouldn't be happy if it'd found out, no. But if I didn't notice right away, she was probably convincing enough that I wouldn't be mad about it either. If I'd never found out, I wouldn't even care. So what? I enjoyed myself.

and if you did notice?

I wouldn't be happy if i'd found out, no.

is this thing contingent entirely on how well the dude can lie to you, and how powerful your orgasm is, because that sounds pretty fucking hedonistic to me, and while I like getting my rocks off as much as the next tranny down the block, I don't think that we should be having moralistic discussions where the culmination of the lesson is "So what? I enjoyed myself.".

I don't see why we should have a moralistic discussion about this anyway. Beyond "lying is bad", I mean.

Because we're entering into an era where trans-gendered people are more accepted into day-to-day life than they ever have been, and as such, these exact issues that we're discussing are going to be taking place more often?

Seeing the responses in this thread (and elsewhere on reddit) I totally get why trans people prefer to keep it quiet. At least at first.

They're being intentionally duplicitous. The onus is on them to be honest with the people that they're with. If they want to be dishonest that dishonesty can carry repercussions. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Yeah, welcome to the dating world. Most people are dishonest in various degrees.

Ok... so to best alleviate the violence the is purpotrated towards these people isn't honesty the best policy? Because I don't know anyone who is going to be angry at someone for telling me that they're transexual... but I definitely know a few people who would get very angry if they woke up the next morning beside someone who lied to them all night about being a chick, and wasn't.

People get violent because their trust was betrayed and they were violated... the solution to this is not more betrayal and violation.

But where is the guy's own responsibility? I'm totally with you on the trust and betrayal part, but the truth is, especially when it is just a one-time deal, there is little reason to mention it unless it comes up or you're being asked directly.

When it comes to the start of a relationship it is a different story. But a one night stand? It's not like you suddenly turn gay or are deathly ill because you had sex with a trans woman once.

there is little reason to mention it unless it comes up or you're being asked directly.

Do you honestly think that this is the best policy? What if the guy asks? What if the tranny lies? What if that's a huge violation for the guy, as it would be for a lot of people? What if the guy finds out and gets violent?

But a one night stand? It's not like you suddenly turn gay or are deathly ill because you had sex with a trans woman once.

It's not about "turning gay" or whatever. That's the least of the issue, as you can't "turn gay". It's about the violence that's being put on these people as a direct result of these lies. There are dudes out there that will legit kill you for tricking them like this, and while those dudes are fucked in their own right, why would you even attempt to trick someone on that level?

And this specific thread is talking about a relationship, not a one night stand... which is an even bigger violation.

I've got a cousin that's male-to-female transgendered, and I'd hate for anything to happen to her as a result of it, but I also don't think she's going around fucking dudes and lying about being a chick.

I'm not endorsing lies. I have said so multiple times. Not saying anything is not a lie.

And I think we're debating two things here. Yes, this thread is about a relationship, but the person I initially replied to said that having sex with a transgender without knowing they are is sexual assault. I disagree.

Rape by deception. Idk if there's been a case in the US yet but a transman was convicted in the UK fairly recently.

Why are the Dutch always so retarded? I can't wait until Germany invades you again

Jason, stop trying so hard. I know you are 14 and all, but jesus, give it a fucking rest.

Sorry, there's a lot of free time in the retirement home.

Oh, you're a catamite?

Except for the part where you consented to sex with a woman and not a dude in a dress. For 99% of people gender=sex so when a guy sees and hits on a woman, it's pretty safe to assume that he thought that was a biological woman. It's especially true when it's at a bar and he would have ignored a bunch of cute guys to go for what he thought was a woman.

When you didn't notice it during sex, can you really say you had sex with a dude in a dress?

If simply having similar sex organs now makes a woman then all sex dolls are now women.

Any guy who actually has been with a woman could tell simply because real women don't need more lube than a cargo ships engines.

Any guy who actually has been with a woman could tell simply because real women don't need more lube than a cargo ships engines

So what seems to be the big issue then?

The issue is that most people don't want to have sex with the same biological sex as them and you're trying to take away their choice in the matter because you feel you're more entitled to sex then they are to having sexual preferences.

Even here you're trying to find ways to justify deceit and not actually informing others you're trans. Some people may be on board with having sex with a tranny but you don't get to assume they would be. At the end of the day though a M-F is still a biological male, and that would be a problem for a lot of heterosexuals and homosexuals. TERFs exist because they're lesbians who don't want to fuck a dude, no matter how similar to a woman they look like.

I'm afraid I'm a cis-male, so your personal accusations kinda fall flat.

Sure you are.

Either way, it doesn't change the fact that you're saying that informed consent doesn't matter because you personally would be okay with it.

Sure you are.

Lmao you fucking autist, you really can't wrap your mind around it?

Either way, it doesn't change the fact that you're saying that informed consent doesn't matter because you personally would be okay with it.

I would definitely not be okay with it. Learn to read, you sperg. But i wouldnt call it sexual assault, because that is a term that is and should be reserved to (forced) sexual violence, and not for consensual sex between two adults.

Except for the part where one person consented to having sex with a biological sex the other person isn't. The other person realizes this and actively hides the fact they aren't as they present themselves as in order to get sex.

What's that word we have for sex without consent again...

Even when your passport states your current gender? I doubt it would fly very far in court.

Please explain to me how a guy who walked past a bunch of cute men at the bar to hit on someone who appeared to be a woman implicitly consented to sex with a man. I mean, unless you can argue that he did consent to having sex with a biological man then there never was actually informed consent.

You can feel you're a woman, dress like a woman, get surgery to look like a woman and take hormones to try and become a woman but at the end of the day you're still a biological man, and that still matters to most people. Just be honest and disclose, it's far safer to do it on tinder or at a bar than the morning after when he finally sobers up and realizes it was a tranny. Even on this thread you can see people talking about how they'd just kill them. IMO there are only 2 times a tranny needs to disclose, before sex and when getting medical treatment. Aside from that they don't have to say a goddamn thing. I'm cool with treating them as a woman or man if it makes them feel better, but realistically they aren't and when it comes to sex or medical treatment, they need to be honest no matter how bad it makes them feel.

But it's not consensual. If you are consenting to have sex with a biological woman, then you may not be consenting to have sex with a trans woman. You have the right to make an informed choice. There is legal precedent for rape by deception in the U.S.

Just close your eyes and think of England.

You've been thinking about this far too much, sweetheart.

Take your serious-posting and your obssession with hard, veiny she-cock elsewhere.

Bussy or GTFO.

Well, I guess that settles that...except gross fat chicks start out and stay that way...chicks.

Exactly the point, they're not dudes and your just a transphobe.

What weirds me out the most is these people who constantly fear getting tricked by a transperson don't have to worry. You're almost universally overweight fucks with shitty personalities.

If you have reason to believe that knowing your trans status would make someone uninterested in you, you need to disclose it or you are being deceitful. If only for your own good when the subject does come up. I mean, I've had partners warn me on the first date that they don't shave their bodies, because they understand that some people have a big issue with that, and they don't want to lead someone into a devoting time to developing a sexual relationship that they wouldn't be into.

Yes they do seriously say this. They say it's a bit of medical history no more important than say having had an STD in the past that's been treated.

Wow. The crying game warned of this shit. I thought it would have been stomped up by now. Truly deplorable behaviour.

Are you an a T_D post come to life?

<3. i've seen you on here before, hope all is well

Do you mean on /r/drama?

I get it, you've been religiously indoctrinated by the American Democrat National Comittee and anything you disagree with is President Donald J. Trump's fault. I'm a smug Canadian looking down on you. Haha you aren't welcome here either.

No, no, I get it.

Retards are everywhere. Its not an American Monopoly.

I mean, its arguably even less important since some "treated," stds can come back.

Don't see why post op is much better.

Post op? Nah, most believe pre op's have no obligation.

What about no op? If a pretty dude triced a dumb corn fed farm boy into bussy play, would that be cool? Where and what is the line to be drawn?

Calling him a dude is offensive and transmisogynist. Don't you know that trans people live in constant fear of murder?

I'm not sure if I'm being trolled. Is it 2017?

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>Not being a trigender pyrofox

Honestly when a CIS person doesn't tell me they're CIS it is the same as being raped to me.

I only sleep with Post OP trans so it is a big deal to me.

What is CIS person?

I was told that this is what you call people who were bon as their gender. Non trans people.

Self.enticed pricks/twats. Imo.

It's actually to refer to anyone who doesn't fall under the LBGT spectrum.

Is this legit? This is r/drama you know. You could be telling me 2+2=4 and I would look at you sideways.

Fair point.

How is that sexual assault?

Being a transgender is basically the same as being sterile,

This is plain incorrect. I'm trans and can still bear children. Many of us can. Hormones are expensive and even if you go off them again you can still get your fertility back (in the case of testosterone that is, I can't speak for trans women and estrogen).

Also birth control can be important for non hets too. Consider a transgender gay man and a cis gay man. There's still the possibility of conception.

Consider a transgender gay man and a cis gay man. There's still the possibility of conception.

You mean a woman and a man. Yes obviously.

Many of us can. Hormones are expensive and even if you go off them again you can still get your fertility back (in the case of testosterone that is, I can't speak for trans women and estrogen).

Which is irrelevant if the only sex a mtf tranny has is with guys.

Well there's trans men and women and some are gay and lesbians so down the line it can matter.

And hormones still don't make you sterile instantly. Most people need 10+ years of hormones to get there. And hormones can be easily over 1k a year to maintain at the start due to a fuck ton of blood tests. That's not something everyone can afford since insurance really won't help you too much.

In the example I'm talking about a straight man is being tricked into fucking a mtf who can't get pregnant, which is wasting his time if he wants children. If you're a ftm and you fuck guys you should probably disclose the fact that you have a cunt to them as well at some point, although I doubt they're going to accidentally stick it in and knock you up.

I would be severely impressed if they somehow missed my cunt. The bitch ain't hiding.

And I do disclose it after some time has passed and it's more serious. I don't like some people's idea of "gotta tell them as soon as possible or you're lying and betraying them". Until I am actively looking to have sex with a dude, my junk is between me and my doctor.

"Hi I'm Jack and I have a cunt" is not a very good icebreaker. Take it from me boys.

So you admit the only way you can get ass is through deceit?

I bet you still wonder why trannies get so much hate.

How do gay guys react to that? I assume bi guys would have no problem.

Some gays are totally okay with it. I trend to dating other transmen just because it's easier most of the time since we come from the same place. But I have had happy relationships with cis gay men. Also bi/pan men are typically more okay with it so I tend to favor those men as well. But some bi men are very "parts equal gender" with no doubt even though intersex people are a thing. I tend to feel out someone's openness to trans people before I date them. I date a lot in queer circles so it's not hard at all to do.

Some people say if all gay men don't date trans men theyre transphobic and I think that's wrong. I understand some men may have been abused in such a way that the idea of a vagina is repulsive to them and they can't handle it. (Like if they were sent to one of those Pray the Gay Away places, and I've met gays who have been). I'm not here to harass abused men. If they don't wanna date me that's fine, just don't say I'm not a man to my face constantly and I'm happy to be bros.

Some gay men just have it so in their head that vagina = woman and honestly I'm not losing anything by not being able to date those men because why would I, as a trans man, wanna be with someone who said that all the time? It's a waste of both our time and the dick I'd get probably wouldn't be worth it! LOL.

Do they stick it in your cunt though?

Sometimes. I'm personally chill with vaginal but I enjoy anal too. Depends on what we like/whats easier. I know some transmen don't like being on the receiving end of vaginal.

It's a 'your mileage may vary' kinda thing.

Why would you expect to get a girl pregnant on a first time screwing her?

Do you have some religious objection to birth control or something?

I'm talking about accidental pregnancies from bareback sex or broken condoms.

I'd be thankful that a girl can't get pregnant if a condom accidentally breaks the first time we have sex. I don't want kids at least until we've been in a relationship for a while.

Which is why a discussion on whether she's on birth control is important.

Sure, but saying that she is sterile instead of saying she is trans would be a valid option, especially before they enter a serious long term relationship. The fact that they are trans shouldn't really affect anything beyond that.

There's a difference between having an STD and being transgender and you know it, that's a dirty comparison.

Those are very good reasons to tell your partner, but I stand by the fact that you're not obligated to tell your partner.

Why do you get to withhold that information from the other person? What if they want a relationship with a woman who can actually have kids?

You can tell them you're infertile without telling them you're transgender.

I hope you get cucked

I compared being transgender to being sterile and it sounds like you agree with me. Trannies should in the very least describe themselves to guys they want a ltr with as sterile.

I mean, it's a good idea, but it's not an obligation.

You totally think there's nothing wrong with a guy who wants kids spending years of his life dumping his load into a fake cunt while his (unbeknown to him) tranny girlfriend goes, "Tee hee, I don't know why I'm not pregnant yet. We better try again next month!"?

I honestly hope you get murdered by one of your victims. You're a depraved sexual predator.

but I stand by the fact that you're not obligated to tell your partner.

true...

and they are not obligated to think of you as anything but an untrustworthy piece of shit after they find out.

How many mental diseases have you been diagnosed with? I dont want to date you but I am curious because retardation is definitely one of them

but I stand by the fact that you're not obligated to tell your partner.

Much of the debate around modern day courtship affirmative consent can be distilled down to: Just be open, honest, and respectful to your partner.

The trans community seems to be saying: Nah.

If you could see my inbox right now, you would know that I don't represent the trans community.

You know why the trans community says "nah" to shit like this? Because they get murdered if they do disclose their transness, or raped, or just severely beaten up.
If I have to be "dishonest" in exchange for my safety, I will take that deal.

A partner deserves to know if they will be able to have children in a relation, but being trans or not has no further impact on a relationship, so it doesn't matter.

no further impact

Imagine you tricked a young Mormon boy all the way in to marriage before it came out you were a dude. His life would be destroyed, he would be shunned and would lose all of his support network. All because of your deception.

What a freaking monster.

My existence > their social life. Its a value judgement I have made, and I am comfortable with that.

I highly doubt a trans person would hook up with a very religious person, knowing their feelings towards transgender people in general, let alone marry them.

"Highly doubt" so fuck those few dumb Mormons boys who get trap'd, then? All these dumb posts back and forth. Over common decency. Shiiiit.

Interesting that you believe only one side should be obligated to be open and honest in a relationship. At what point in a relationship do YOU share that your main interest in your partner is as a vessel for breeding? Hey there's nothing wrong with wanting to raise a family, but if you don't share that information with your partner first, you have absolutely no right to expect your partner to share their fertility status. You BOTH have to breach that topic together. Putting the blame all on the other person is pathetic and immature. CIS woman can be infertile too, so at what point would you tell her you aren't interested in dumping cum into her "fake cunt" anymore? The fabricated scenario that you are so worried about can be easily avoided; just tell all women that you date upfront about your primary goal to use their body for procreation. Of course your caveman mentality will chase away most CIS women too, but hey, that's the price you have to pay to not be accidentally "raped" by a trans woman, if you are so worried about it. Stop whining and blaming others for your life. We can't control the actions of others, but we can control our own actions, and there are ways to avoid any situation that you don't want to be in. Grow the fuck up dude.

Stop whining and blaming others for your life.

Is this a rebuttal to a fictional argument you constructed in your head and attributed to me?

Sure. If that's what you want it to be. You are free to interpret it in whatever way you want to.

Interesting that you believe only one side should be obligated to be open and honest in a relationship.

Where did I suggest it was one-sided?

you have absolutely no right to expect your partner to share their fertility status.

Where did I mention fertility and breeding as a specific issue?

so at what point would you tell her you aren't interested in "dumping cum into her fake cunt" anymore?

Where did I encourage people to be this insensitive to trans people?

Stop whining and blaming others for your life.

Where did I give any indication that something is wrong in my life?

Grow the fuck up dude.

Being "open, honest, and respectful" with prospective partners is a sign of immaturity?

Seriously, it seemed like you're replying to someone else.

In a seriously relationship I'd argue they should tell their partner.

When dating and trying to get a feel for each other, coming out can get her killed. I understand the trepidation.

Rape apologist.

Drama queen

Totally fair.

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Tranny is a slur. If you had a point, you got in your own way by being vulgar for no reason at all.

STFU shemale.

Lol okay

Because Trannyism is likely the least of its diseases.

Because the trans she n relationship are fucking creazy

I like how medical history is the go to argument, except that the opinions of medical experts don't matter to them on the whole "two genders" or "trans is a mental disorder" side of things.

/u/IronMyr
I'm sure your partner is not obligated to tell you that he/she/xe/phi is cheating on you, right?

That's a totally different thing and you know it. No one chooses to be trans.

How is it different?

I've never agreed with any of my partners to not be transgender. Maybe you have.

All my relationships have been heterosexual without any big asterisk denoting my partner was formerly a dude. This isn't discussed. It is heavily implied because I'm a heterosexual male who likes women. A transexual woman may be a woman for all aesthetic purposes, but she is not a biological woman and therefore not suitable for a relationship. This isn't discussed. It is heavily implied because I am a heterosexual male, and my primary purpsose is to procreate with a biological female to continue the species. This is not discussed.

Hey guess what, not all transgender women are obviously transgender, you have no idea if that (bullshit) asterisk belongs on your "record" or not. Also, it's not gay for a guy to fuck a woman, that would be really fucking stupid.

Evolution doesn't have a purpose nor does it give you purpose anymore than a breeze has a purpose. It's a mindless force of nature. Find a real purpose in life instead of chasing some eugenics bullshit.

This idea that transgender women are fake women is bullshit and you're bullshit for believing in it.

but transgender women are fake women for all biological (read: functional) purposes.

Aesthetically you might look like Marilyn Monroe, and may have the lustful looks of all the guys from Seattle to Miami, but at the end of the day kids = real women.

I don't know, I tell my partners.

And I think that's the point.

I didn't have to tell them, I chose to. I chose to tell them, because assholes like you spread the myth that transgender people are trying to trick good people into defiling their bodies. As freedom comes with giving love, so prison comes with hate.

A couple things. First, people would be more likely to be on your side if you didn't go out of your way to alienate people who actually support you. Like seriously that was my first reply and now you're accusing me of being an intentionally misinformation spreading transphobe? Come on.

Second, I don't understand why you would feel the need to hide your trans status if the world was more acceptable of trans people. Like, isn't honesty the best strategy regardless?

Sorry, I get dicks flying at me from twenty fucking directions, I didn't mean to yell at someone who wasn't being an asshole.

Anyway, I tell my partners. The point that I've been trying to make is, people aren't obligated to tell their partners that they're transgender. The problem is, if transgender people are obligated to out themselves, that justifies trans bashing. Plenty of people aren't able to safely out themselves, for fear of discrimination. Those people still deserve a chance to try to find love without having to fear "punishment" for not outing themselves.

Sorry, I get dicks flying at me from twenty fucking directions

My fetish tbh

My point though was that surely to find love outing yourself to your partner is inevitable?

I mean, it's not an easy path to take, but it's possible for it to never come up.

I see this as sexual compatibility.... I have not ever seen a relationship work out with unresolved sexual compatibility.

I think we played out this discussion, thanks for indulging

2016 was the most violent year on record for the LGBTQ community. The world may not be as accepting of trans people as one may think.

Citation needed.

This is a website hosted in the USA and I presume we are all residents here.

Here is the article that I remember reading on the subject.

Also, the National Center for Transgender Equality released the results of their 2015 survey (which had 27K+ respondents) and it found that about 1 in 10 said they were physically assaults for being trans and more than half (54%) were assaulted by their intimate partner. The survey results can be found here for the full report or you can look at the summary here.

Thanks for this. It's really at odds with my personal experience in the relatively accepting LA area. I'll try to remember to read all this but I don't have the time right now

Are you a college hippie or something?

kids = real women.

So a cis woman who's have ovarian cancer and had to have both ovaries removed isn't a woman anymore?

No, she's a real women who suffered a disease that left her sexual organs unable to be properly used.

And that's different to a transgender woman how?

A trans woman wasn't born with female gametes (eggs).

So you're saying that the way your reproductive organs developed in the womb is the only thing that determines someone's gender?

You're heard of intersex people, right?

Adam's apple, nit a real vagina, etc.

Evolution may not have intention, but it's outcome is to naturally select for traits that increase the likelihoood of survival and procreation. These structures in the brain, that govern attraction and sexual behavior, are pre-human. They are not easily changed, if it is possible at all. Many, if not a large majority people do base their lives on family and children, and a huge part of our social structure is organized around families, and people looking for potential mates to start a family with.

Why do you think you can just ignore all that and insist that people just start treating trans people as though they are cis? They aren't (and that's totally OK), which is why we say 'trans' in the first place. It encompasses and identifies their situation much more honestly for other people.

It's called adoption, and it's really underrated.

Also, it's not incorrect for a transgender woman to call herself a woman, that's who she is.

What do you mean, 'who she is'?

Sure, she can call herself a woman, but unless she can fulfill the role of 'woman' that society attaches to the identity with great fidelity, people will not treat her as such.

It is incorrect to say that other people are immoral for not treating her as a woman because she does not fit their expectations of the word woman. It's not easy to look past obvious physiological features, and I think that saying trans-woman is much closer to the truth of the identity. She's a trans-woman, not a woman. I don't have any issue with trans people looking, acting, presenting, dating, any way or any one they want, but the word woman means a specific thing, and to pretend that it includes trans-women is dishonest. Words have to accurately convey information to be useful, and when you deliberately try to use a word in a way that you know the other person doesn't agree to, that's a lie, and it's not ok.

But she is a woman, what are you even talking about?

If she was a natal woman, you wouldn't have to specify 'trans-woman'. The fact that we're having this conversation is evidence in and of itself. A trans-woman is different from a natal woman and that's why there needs to be a different word to describe a person who was born male-bodied and transitioned.

Or we could just use natal woman for women assigned female at birth, transgender woman for women assigned male at birth, and woman for women. Why do you want to change the language when it's perfectly functional?

Because you want to use the word 'woman' in a different way than 99% of humanity, and that is not 'perfectly functional'. 'Woman' means 'female human', not 'feminine human'.

Gender is a modified binomial distribution, not a spectrum, and human biology and sexual behavior and categorization is based on approach and disgust mechanisms that are deeply imbedded in the brain and not subject to conscious control. Nobody can control that people are biologically primed to see wider shoulders, developed brow and jaw bones, longer limbs, and think 'that's a man, not a woman'.

Stop trying to change the language, you dolt.

Lol. Guess I ate the bait, huh. Good for you.

I don't understand why you have such a problem communicating with people, maybe you should get your head out of your ass.

Most modern technology has completely altered traditional gene flow in situations of traditional evolution, so using theories that apply mostly to natural world is fallacious.

Citation?

It is heavily implied because I'm a heterosexual male who likes women.

I don't see being a heterosexual male who likes women as an implication of transphobia. I go through life without people around me recognizing that I'm transgender - I was assigned male at birth, but no one knows that unless I let them know. Not surprisingly, no gay men find me attractive (because I'm clearly not a man), yet straight guys tend to be into me (especially because I am at least decently attractive).

There are a great deal of straight guys who have continued to be into me after I came out to them regardless of the fact that I'm trans. This is because some guys are attracted to women in general and some guys have narrow concepts of what a woman is. I'm going to give the guys I date the benefit of the doubt and assume they are not transphobic asshats.

If you're a straight guy who refuses to acknowledge the womanhood of an entire category of women, then I feel like it's on you to disclose that. You know we exist, so it's time to start operating with that knowledge in mind. No amount of wishing it weren't true would make us disappear. If you were to come out as a transphobe on our first or second date, I would graciously and gladly step out of your life.

Just because I wouldn't participate in a relationship with a trans-gendered person doesn't mean I'm phobic. I'd like to have my own kids, etc...

Do you come out to these straight males or do you let them think you're a biological woman?

It depends on if there's an expectation of something more or if our encounter is mutually understood to be just a bit of fun. I don't come out on the first or sometimes even the second date because I want folks to get to know me before they paint me with their preconceived notions of what trans women are. If it becomes obvious that we don't have a future together, then what would be the point of me sharing something so personal?

If you were born a man and had surgery to become a woman you are most definitely not biologically a woman.

"Rape by deception is a thing, until I say it isn't or until I'm horny."

Then again I guess you never said it was a thing in the first place, I just kind of assumed.

It's not deceptive to be trans, what are you talking about?

It isn't inherently.

It just can be.

If a tranny lied about it to me I'd kill them.

This but without a hint of irony

One is a betrayal of the whole concept of a relationship, while the other is just having a big secret.

...Which is which? 🤔

I'm dating a trans person and I honestly can't tell which you were trying to imply is which.

That was the point, they are both

Ones being a cheating ass hole, the other is a medical thing.

lol, they definitely choose to not tell their partner they're trans tho

It's not their responsibility to until certain conversations come up. A woman that is sterile doesn't have to bring it up immediately when a relationship starts

Being sterile is a problem relating to having kids. No one has kids with someone they just met. Many, many people have sex with people they just met and disclosing you're trans before having sex is a moral must, no justifications. It's akin to rape by deception if the partner feels deceived after coitus.

Being sterile is an issue from birth, and so is being born the incorrect gender. I don't understand why there is a need to disclose a medical condition other than an STI before sex. A transgender woman is no less than a cisgender woman, they have just had many more obstacles to climb over.

If you cannot honestly understand why it is morally repugnant to not disclose that you are trans before you have sex with someone, you have serious issues with consent and shouldn't be having sex. Being sterile and being born the incorrect gender are both issues from birth but people who are sterile don't actively try to get into relationships with people who are looking for children. Being born the incorrect gender isn't the problem, the problem is the correct assumption the other party has that their fuckbuddy/GF/whatever has the biological genitals of their sex. It's okay if you are an alien from Alpha Centauri but before you bed someone looking like a human, warn them you have tentacles for balls.

There are surgeries than can allow one to change their genitals. If they do not have the genitals of the gender they present as their partner has the option to nope the fuck out of there if they are uncomfortable. That I could understand if they were going to have sex :P

Even with surgery, trans people should inform partners of their birth sex before being commited/having sex. It's just the right thing to do.

Why? Do tell.

I think its something they SHOULD do but I don't think its something they MUST do nor is it morally reprehensible to not want to bring it up.

Because, let's be real here for a second, 99.9% of people when casually hooking up assume rightly that the person they're going home with is and always has had the same gender and sex. Subverting that should come with a heads up. Only right.

why?

nigga i just said

no, you didn't.

Why?

nigga

i just said

Ah, I forgot.

You're all retarded.

Sorry, I'm the future I too shall only use 3 word responses. I'll keep them words short too.

You're all retarded.

Yeah, think you're projecting here seeing as:

Ah, I forgot. You're all retarded.

Is six words, you absolute fucking retard.

That post on

casually hooking up

Mate if you want someone indepth medical history, fucking date them instead of hooking up. A hook up is just on apperances and a few hours of talking tops, aight no one learning each others life story.

TLDR: Bang on what you see or don't, the fuck else you expecting form a hook up?

Okay, if I hear another person calling literally being another sex "in depth medical history", I'm gonna blow up. Having been a man/woman is as important a part of your life story as "I was once part of a terrorist cell".

Dude if you can't tell a man from a woman that's on you.

Na, it's on the person pretending

Pretending so well you can't tell?

disclosing you're trans before having sex is a moral must,

LMAO why, it's not like Herpes or HIV, you're not going to catch the queer, it's still safe sex there's no harm done by not tellign someone because you're not risking infecting them with anything, also if you consent to bang someone you consented to bang someone. You're like one of those drunk idiots who consent to fuck someone then cry rape the next day cause they realized drunk vision made them fuck a slob.

Fuck off back to your liberal arts college before you get triggered.

I'm fucking dead, go back to raping people because you know they will never fuck you when they learn that you used to have a dick, tranny

What ever you drunk bimbo.

Yes they do

Are you denying my ability to give informed consent?

I'm pretty sure people choose to turn the dicks inside out though

What's your fucking point? Don't hide behind your cutesy bullshit.

My point is that you aren't people.

So edgy. Isn't telling them they aren't women enough?

telling them they aren't women

That's a compliment though

It's sick it's piss

Nice to know my girlfriend isn't a person. I'd suggest being less hateful and actually trying to get to know a transgender person. Perhaps--surprise!--they actually are people like you, with feelings and desires and ambitions and fears and loves.

Brah you know where you are? Most posts here are just over the top edge, especially mine.

Not really trying to make anyone feel bad.

Ah, I see. I've been seeing a lot of genuinely hateful discourse in this thread, though, which has made me pretty sick to my stomach, so I thought maybe just maybe I could talk to some people and try to help them see that transgender people are people too, and deserve respect. Everyone likes to say "oh but it's on the internet" but the danger and discrimination trans people face in real life is very, very real. My girlfriend let a couple siphon some gas from her car, and they disconnected the fuel line. We have no proof it was because of transphobia, but she doesn't pass at all and did hear them specifically calling her a guy behind her back and using some...slurrish language. Our car still leaks gas when we refuel.

I guarantee 90% are just contrarian edgelords acting it up online, don't worry about it.

And that sucks, sorry dude. Believe me I know how shit people can be, my job involves working with a lot of scum. I'm guessing you guys are young, you ever consider taking self defense training? If it's really an issue I'd seriously recommend it.

I really need to take self defense classes. We're 18.5 and 20, just about to move into our first apartment. I'm only 5'2" and 110lb and I know I'd be unable to defend myself in a physical fight against just about anyone. I'd conceal carry, but Cali laws are shit and apparently since I tried to kill myself and was put into a 51/50 when I was 17 I can't own guns for a few more years. If I can scrounge up the money that'd actually probably really help, I'll put it in my to-do list, thank you. ^{^}

I'm not familiar with female self defense training so searcharound, I'm sure there are plenty of boards around with great info.

Short of a gun, OC spray (strongest you can find) along with some good training should work great for you and it'll improve you're confidence greatly. Good luck and I wish you both the best, and try not to take comments to heart, trust me it gets way easier as you get older.

Thank you for the advice! I hope you have a good day. ^{^} (I'm not going to lie, this is part of why I so often comment on seemingly troll posts, I want to see who's really there, what's going on, can I help or inform them? Fuck that seems super pretentious but eh, so many people forget that there are humans on the other side of the screen, and sometimes we need to remember.) And yeah, society seems to be marching into the direction of acceptance, and I've gotten better at defending myself as I've gotten older.

Just an FYI your want to trick people into going out with you is disgusting and is 100% why I will vote against any trans bills until people like you stop believing rape is a-okay 👌

Fuck off, asshole. Transgender people aren't trying to trick anyone, they're just trying to exist in the world.

Then what did OPs "girl"friend do? She clearly lied by omission do you think it's okay for a MtF to sleep with lesbians even if the MtF still has a penis and if he doesn't discuss his transition 🤔

Yeah fuck off cunt. Transwomen are women, this ain't a fucking riddle.

So if I say "I am a woman" then a lesbian is then obligated to sleep with me or be labeled transphobic, yes?

No one is obligated to sleep with you, again, not exactly a fucking riddle.

So I'm not transphobic If I'm mad my girlfriend was once a guy?

That's pretty transphobic.

So if I don't want to be transphobic am I not then obligated to continue to go out with her, thereby being obligated to sleep with her?

What are you talking about, obviously no?

Then, isn't ops girlfriend a meanie for tricking him into going out with her 🤔

OP wasn't tricked, what are you talking about?

Are you trolling? She hid her identity from him lmfao how is that not a trick

There's a difference between not mentioning something and tricking someone. She never lied to him nor even withheld important information.

Wtf yes she did lie to him, by omission and I think being post op is definitely important info you loon

Well you think that, because you're a loon.

You must be mentally ill lmfao 😂👌

It's a tranny, wasn't the mentally ill part a given?

Hey quick question: What does it feel like to know that no matter how much makeup you wear, no matter how much hormone you imbibe, and no matter how many surgeries you get, you'll never be female? You'll never, ever be what you want so badly to be? How does that make you feel?

I wouldn't know.

Wow. After reading this comment and looking through your posting history, you're a strong contender for the worst human being I've ever encountered on reddit.

That's quite an accomplishment.

Aww, thanks! I try. 💖

Well, your worldview and opinions are abhorrent, but that's nothing new. It's more that you take pleasure in hurting the feelings of others and enjoying their misfortune. You lack empathy to an extent that is almost sociopathic. You strike me as the sort of person who would push someone down a flight of stairs because you thought it would be funny.

Reddit would be a better place if you stopped using it.

....or if someone pushed him down a flight of stairs if we're being honest..

Well, your worldview and opinions are abhorrent, but that's nothing new.

I need details, man! What parts of my worldview and opinions, specifically, are abhorrent? I like to know all the juicy deets.

It's more that you take pleasure in hurting the feelings of others and enjoying their misfortune.

Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude.

You lack empathy to an extent that is almost sociopathic.

Just almost? Shit I gotta step up my game.

You strike me as the sort of person who would push someone down a flight of stairs because you thought it would be funny.

You're wrong there. I never engage in physical violence.

Almost as bad as I would feel if I woke up, looked in the mirror, and saw your ugly mug staring back at me.

I dunno if I could cope with realizing I'm retarded.

Jasmine eh? I wonder what your real name is. Jake? John?

Seeing as I named myself after the tea, no not even close.

Well, whatever it is, man, I'm sure it was a better one than ~*~Jasmine~*~.

Her identity is that of a women, pretty sure she didn't hide that.

Hahaha wow are you serious?

No one is obliged to sleep with anyone, and with a personality like that I hope you die alone and bitter you cunt.

ghosting a day old comment to harass me

really hurt my feelings tbpqhwyf

Ah, with an enviable attention span to boot!

🤔🤔

No, she's allowed to not be attracted to you. No one is obligated to sleep with you. You are not obligated to sleep with anyone. If you're straight and aren't attracted to pre-op transgender girls, that's not something you can control. Being MAD at her for having been born in a guy's body, something she has no control over? That's a dick move.

ghosting a two day old post to explain to me some shit I don't care about

ahah oh wow get fucked retard.

No, I want to educate people with hurtful and ignorant opinions and open their minds. That isn't a very kind thing to say, by the way.

You think I give a fuck about this sick mentally ill retard trying his hardest to fit in while crossdressing and pretending to be a girl? Do you think I have any iota of respect or kindness for them if they're going to run around and pretend to be someone they're not, and trick people into dating them? I had no ill will for transgendered people until fuck-nuts like you completely 180 degree turned my opinion because of calling people who don't want to fuck some disgusting surgical scar, "transphobic." And even going so far as to imply that people who don't want to even -date- someone who's MtF are transphobic, and bad people, because they don't want to fuck a man. You're so full of shit it's insane.

Honestly, why the fuck are trans people on reddit so fucking creepy, why do you all seem to base your relationships on lies and deceit, why do you think because some people, like me, don't want to get tranny tricked (see: Raped, because there's no informed consent) by some mentally ill asshole with hair extensions? Why are people like ME the asshole with "hurtfull opinions" get a load of yourself you retarded asshole, coming into this thread trying to "educate me" when I'm clearly trolling and pointing out what a retarded faggot OP's boyfriend is? Get fucked, preferably by someone who trick you into thinking they're someone they're not you useless cocksucker.

Be honest, where do you come from? What subreddit made you aware of this because you certainly don't fucking post here that often you vapid, self-important, cunt? Go back to menslib, go back to woodlands, and don't fucking post here because the pseudo-gregarious nature of your comments is fucking annoying and not at all going to change my fucking mind.

I would expect a kind, informed person to not use slurs and to realize that the most effective treatment for gender dystopia is transition, indeed I would. I would expect them to try to understand that what I was referencing was post-op transgender folks who have already fully physically transitioned and whose bodies are female. You do realize I have stated multiple times that not being attracted to transgender people is not transphobic, yes? And that if a person hasn't physically transitioned, they should tell any partner whom they're serious about, or especially if they're intending on pursuing a sexual relationship? Holy hell, my dude, stop putting words into my mouth.

OP's boyfriend is not a retarded faggot, either. They obviously live in an environment where violence against transgender people is rather common, and she's terrified of coming out. And once again, if a person's body has fully transitioned, why the hell should it matter? Should I tell a one night stand partner that I used to be anorexic, in case they don't like girls with eating disorders? Also, I'm getting fucked by my girlfriend, who is exactly who I think she is, a lovely girl who happened to be born in a boy's body and is getting that rectified. You should look up professional medical opinions on gender dysphoria--it is indeed a mental illness.

I really don't care if you'll change your mind or not, I'm still gonna try. It's my duty to the world as a journalism student and as a decent person to spread love and knowledge; and sympathy and information are among the best cures to discriminatory views. You can keep cursing me out all you want, I am not going to back down. I hope whatever is going on in your life gets better, and you're able to be more comfortable with yourself and not attack people for validation.

as a journalism student and as a decent person to spread love and knowledge;

ok nvm obvious troll lmao

I'm not a troll, and using that assumption to try and get out of the very real points I made is rather weak. I am a journalism student whose main article topics are civil rights. My latest article is in fact about how the justice system is prejudice against men in cases of custody, sexual assault, domestic violence and the like.

wtf I love you know

You'll find that people are more complex than you might think, and many issues of discrimination are highly interconnected. When I say I'm for gender equality, I don't mean I only support women and trans folk, I'm fighting for everyone who's fucked over by gender/sex-based discrimination, which includes men. I wish more people could see things in this light, there would be a lot less conflict.

Trannies aren't women. You're men with a fetish. I mean just listen to yourself desperately trying to justify tricking guys into letting you blow them, this is purely a twisted fetish.

The majority of transwomen don't want anything to do with their dangly bits. Getting blown wouldnt make them upset.

I don't think anyone was arguing against that this time

You should see my inbox rn.

Her

If you don't disclose you're a dude pretending to be female or vice versa then yeah it's tricking people. Let the person know out of the gate, why is that so hard?

It's not deceptive for a woman to say she's a woman, you sound crazy.

"Transsexual women" are not women, they are men masquerading as women. You're free to be mentally ill, just disclose it to your partner. Not too much to ask, right?

So wait, somehow they're passing as women and you wouldn't known their not women unless they said so. BUT they're also not women at the same time? Like dude, I'm not getting your logic here.

I can put on a costume and pretend to be a gorilla, but I am and will always be a person masquerading as a gorilla. You can be a male and pretend to be a woman, and fool people sometimes, but you are and will never be a woman.

I'm still not getting you, if they didn't look like woman then they wouldn't need to tell you because well you'd just notice. But if they're just wearing clothing and no make up, then they're not really fooling anyone since there's no real deception and you're the one that's assuming they're a woman until told other wise.

It's like finding out someone white as fuck is actually half black or some shit like that, like what's the matter you couldn't tell shit until they told you. The only issue is if you want kids or some shit like that.

It's just weird, because you're saying some how they're fooling people unless they tell people they're X thing but you're the one assuming they're Y thing because that's what they look like.

Great. Now you drag mulattos in to this. What I find concerning is that cultural appropriation is all of a sudden a big taboo, but a dude sexually assaulting dudes is just fine because he thinks she's a woman?

The fucks a Mulatto? And you're the once who's saying 'cultural appropriation' is a big deal, the fuck do I care if some black people want to eat curry, or some Indian reads Japanese Manga. Shits a capitalist society, if your culture is something consumers like it's going to make $$$.

If it's consensual sex, it's consensual sex, last I checked unless you're being raped or they didn't tell you about a hazardous STD they have/Remove a condom/Lie about BC it's still consensual. Not getting where the sexual assault is coming unless it's one of those scenarios.

So in your tranny-is-alright scenario, you (the tranny) could lie to a young dummie and pretend you are fertile, right? That wouldn't be anywhere the scenarios you listed, right?

I'm going to need more context because what's the scenario here.

Are you saying truthiness is required when discussing Birth Control (BC)?

you (the tranny) could lie to a young dummie and pretend you are fertile

I'm just trying to figure what the surrounding context of this is, is it like on a date and the topic of children came up and someones lying about being able to make a kid when they're not?

Or is this more like can I fuck you with out a rubber?

Because if they're lying in the second scenario to get someone to wear a condom (Some people are fucking idiots and only will wear one to prevent a kid cause they're to thick to think they might have an un-diagnosed STD so a random hook up wont want to risk it, so lying about not being on BC is an easy way to get a dude to wear a rubber), who gives a shit. If it's the first one then dick move.

Oh, and Obama is the fort Mulatto President. How do you not know dis?

Because I live in New Zealand and we'd just call him half black/half white, because why the fuck would I be speaking Spanish or Portuguese or some shit like that?

Insensitive.

Aww is the little Mexican triggered that only people in America care about their culture.

Awe the Aussie sheep felator is cute

Wrong country ;P

Trannies are one gender masquerading as another. Some of them fall into the trap category and are better at playing dress up

I'm curious what magical property people have that you think defines them as one gender or another.

The presence of a Y chromosome, for starters.

So what about people born as XX males and XY females? Are they not the gender and/or sex they've been their entire lives?

You can't be biologically considered male without at least having a Y chromosome. And you can't be an XY female either. Biology 101

You can not be male with XX and XY is still genetically male. If you want a quick rundown check this comment

You can not be male with XX

XX male syndrome is definitely a thing.

XY is still genetically male.

I don't see how that would affect anything. I don't do a DNA test on everyone I sleep with.

Beyond this, consider the case of someone born as an XY female, who, a few decades into their life, gets some tests done and discovers they have a Y chromosome. What do you expect them to do? Stop having sex? Tell everyone they have sex with that they are a male, even though they have literally never had any signs of being male?

What if an someone is born as an XX male and realizes they are trans. They get on hormones and have the appropriate surgery. Surely they're not a man masquerading as a woman? What about an XY transman?

Did you not read anything in the linked post? You're literally regurgitating false information. Biology 101 dude, holy fucking shit.

If you are born XY you are born genetically male, if otherwise then link me a scientific source stating otherwise. If you are born XX you are genetically female. If not then link a scientific source stating otherwise.

Just because you call a dog a cat doesn't make it the truth.

Your focus on genetics is causing you to completely miss my point.

If someone is born XY female (that is, genetically male but for one of various reasons develops as a female), why should they be considered male? If they live for decades without knowing – most people don't get their chromosomes tested without reason – then surely a test in their thirties shouldn't affect them, except insofar as it reveals actual medical problems. Why should genotype take precedence over phenotype?

What if someone who was born XX male (with a penis) or XY female (with a vagina) later transitions to a female or male, respectively? Which one's male and which one's female?

So you and every partner you have go together to get your chromosome tested? Shit must add up cost wise if you have a decent sex life, must be like $200 a pop.

No need to since you can tell what a vagina is, what a penis is, and what a mutilated meat-hole is. Have never had that problem in the past. That said I have no need to need to worry about new partners though as I'm in a decade long relationship.

So wait why do you even care?

I post hateful stuff online because my life sucks and it helps me feel better about myself.

Exercise and a better diet can help (Getting them vitamins and stuff), also lack of Vitamin D (You get it from the sun) can make you depressed. If you're stuck in a dead end shit hole job or just a shitty work environment try working on getting a job somewhere else, why be miserable 40 odd hours a week if you can get a place that's just ehhh for 40 hours a week.

A shit job/work environment can really fuck with your mood because you're stuck dealing with that shit in and out for hours upon hours. I mean if you have to time to post random shit on the internet you have time to look for a job, go for a run and other shit to make your life less shitty.

They're not trying to trick anybody I assume, but in effect they're tricking them into thinking they're fertile ain't they?

You can tell someone you're infertile without telling them you're transgender.

as long as you get that much out of the way

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Hey /u/Noctaru, just get the hell out and find an actual woman.

Lessons learned while using reddit:

Lesson #531

An easy way to make a transwoman angry - ask her to post bussy.

u/Noctaru how did it get outed, did you figure out that isn't a real vagina or did you see a pic before she had her penis chopped off.

Lol gay.

/u/deusestmachina it's comments like these that make Isis possible also what is a transfemme and do they/u have a bussy

"transfemme and gay as fuck"

That's called being a pervert autogynephile, being aroused at the idea of fucking women while being one yourself.

What's the pronoun for that kind of atrocity again ?

What's the pronoun for that kind of atrocity again ?

Paraphiliaxir.

the fuck is Transfemme? have they started their nan0b0y bullshit gender stuff again?

It's when the spectrum is not infinite enough but you want to show how uniquely unique you are.

That's called being attracted to women and having dysphoria to the point where you mostly identify as one. The pronouns would probably be she/her or they/them. Sexuality=/=gender, my friend.

Your life together is your concern. Her personal life before is not, if she doesn't feel comfortable discussing it with anyone.

Right up until some guy is in your face telling you your girlfriend used to have a bigger dick than you. Then it might become your concern too.

Or still does have one.

I mean, if you don't notice your gf has a big dick, a good part of the blame is on you.

This one seems a bit of a fake one (like the guy would not know) but the lulz harvested from these idiots is genuine.

I really don't think you need to be told that a person is a transexual. It should be extremely obvious visually.

Ever been to thiland? Some of those ladyboys are quite convincing, especially if a German sex tourist got a hold of them when they were quite young and paid for the procedure before the testosterone could take hold. The one hotel had a doorman who was an expert ladybug spotter. Saved many embarrassing situations.

O_o Oddly specific there boyo.

Oh, I know. A gf's dad owned a hotel in Phuket. A wild place indeed.

thats just because the men there are pretty womany in the first place so its an easy transition

You don't like a little hair on the lip?

I think it's cathartic creative writing from trans people since this is the third almost identical story I've seen. The poster is always this well adjusted, sensitive person who somehow can't tell that they're regularly fucking an open wound.

The relationship is going along perfectly until a boorish villain comes up and spoils everything by revealing the trans person's dark secret, and then.... NOTHING! The trans person's SO just happens to be in the .00000112% of people who don't mind. It's not even like they're a little weirded out but willing to work through it. They act like their partner revealed that they highlight their hair or something.

The whole trans subreddit gets to vicariously overcome their worst fears and live happily ever after with Mr. Perfect. They get to escape the reality where Mr. Perfect is actually Jim Norton, and even he won't actually commit.

Are you afraid you'll accidentally turn gay or something?

wtf i have the mental illness homosexuality now.

Compassion is a mental illness too :)

Feeling empathy for someone is okay. Feeling empathy for someone who has a mental illness that they can cure easily is stupid.

Feeling empathy for someone is okay. Feeling empathy for someone who has a mental illness that they can cure easily is stupid.

Compassion and empathy aren't synonyms lil bro.

Be nice, guys. /u/Noctaru just wants to slob some feminine knob and totally not be gay for doing something he'd probably never do with a regular dude...

Why did trannies become a huge thing all of a sudden over the last decade or so, is it fluoride in the water or something

(((Sorry.)))

The Jews made all the trannies?!?

Male to female outnumber female to male significantly, something about estrogen and feminization of males is to blame I'm sure.

They don't and you made that up. It's about even.

"About even"

Wrong.

Would you agree that it appears mtf are covered more in the media? I only ask because I'm ftm and I don't feel like the numbers are about even, I wish it did!

wtf are you talking about

/r/mtf has more subscribers than /r/ftm tho

Sure and if you went to tumblr, you'd think it was the complete opposite, that there are overwhelmingly more trans guys. It's all confirmation bias, trans guys tend to pass easier and blend in so no one ever notices them. Doesn't mean they aren't there. I've met overwhelmingly more trans guys in real life.

My country needs more trannies, I've never seen one irl.

where do you live? can you sponsor my visa?

Uruguay

no, ur gay

Ha ha.

No. Every fucking time there's someone trans in the media it's a woman, and fuck tumblr.

I don't know what the cause is but without hard data I would bet it's a 70/30 ratio, with 30 on the high end

I just linked a study that has trans guys at 57% and trans women at 43%.

How many of those guys actually transition and don't think its a phase? A lot of those dudes on tumblr are like... 14. I see way more 25+ MtFs than FtMs.

Where can I find this information?

This is the best collection we have of data at the moment. Page 49 details what gender is on respondents' birth certificate - 57% said female, 43% said male.

I've always figured it starts as a fetish and develops into full on trannydom. That and betas not being able to get a girlfriend so they become their own girlfriend. It seems that MtF trans are a hell of a lot more annoying than FtM.

weak minds + women having it easy in society + encouragement

The ready availability of unlimited porno means people can burn through fetishes at an ultra-fast rate as the novelty of them wears off causing a dip in the excitement, some eventually end up of trans & feminization shit and end up buying into the 'really you're a woman meme. Should be an interesting decade ahead as we see how many of them had genuine dysphoria & how many end up regret filled, suicidal autogynephilics.

Basically unless r/nofap saves us the future will be nothing but traps sexually servicing autists.

I'd read that comic.

Millenials are much more in touch with their inner self hatred plus medical standards of what's grossly immoral has done a 180. Don't forget the shrink's diagnostic manual has changed immensely in recent editions. Many things that had you marked as fucked in the head are now completely acceptable.

Like posting here?

I can't decipher your language. What are you trying to say, bussy?

Alex jones was right. And when he said "Frogs", he was talking about US.

It was a thing in the 90s too.

Better acceptance and, and this is important, much better transitioning.

I once read a conspiricy theory that it is a side effect of the marketing of cosmetics and clothes combinded with consumer identities like "goths" (Black clothes and black makeup) and gamers (video games).

Basically, that identity has become something you can buy or whatever.

But IDK it is a bit of a stretch.

theyre still like 0.3% of the population or some shit its just the media likes to pretend theyre common to seem more progressive

The conservative christians realized they were losing the gay battle and the moved on to the next thing

Transgender people are not becoming more common. They're just getting more (public) attention, and better medical care, so people are noticing them more.

Do you want a list of historical examples?

Yes. I want historical examples as well as the history of gender really assignment surgery.

Oh look, there's a wikipedia page

I would be hurt if I found out she had fully transisltioned before I got a chance to try out stick vagina.

/u/DeusEstMachina

Some people do not want to fuck someone with a dick.

Basically we went to a fun event, were both having a lot of fun until some dickhead suddenly came over to us. Not going into great detail, but it boiled down to you know she's a dude and are you gay.

This man is a hero.

Honestly threw the guy a huge bone

I'm transgender and you're hilarious.

/u/IronMyr

It's not a huge issue, it's one part of your life that can be left in the past.

Unless they still have a dick, then it does fucking matter to a shitton of people.

Which is not a universal detail for transgender women, and more importantly should be part of an informed decision.

Do you believe that Trans women with dicks should disclose this before a date? Cause that is something that NEEDS to be disclosed before it goes any further. They ain't obligated to talk about it, but then they can't cry foul when their partner gets mad after seeing you have a fucking dick.

Yes they fucking can, they do all the time.

What? Crying foul?

Cause no they can't. You can't expect people to just be okay with having sex with someone with a dick. Nor should you be surprised they get mad when you refuse to tell them until it's too late.

I'm sorry I expect people to not be really fucking stupid.

Sex organs matter. Person doesn't want to fuck a dick? He shouldn't have to fuck a dick.

You're the stupid one. It's not stupid to have a preference in fucking sex organs you nitwit.

And he's allowed to say "no, sorry, that's a dealbreaker for me" at the point in the date where things get that far, and either walk away, or tone things down some.

What's the problem?

Sounds like you ONLY see sex organs, why don't you just get a sex doll instead, gender will be clearly marked on the box for you.

I think you need to be lobotomized and kept away from normal society tbqh.

Where is the drama? The title doesn't match the tone of that thread at all.

People are looking for reasons to shit on transgender people, I think. The OP of the asktransgender thread is very clearly supportive of his girlfriend and the people in the comments are balancing the issue of trusting your partner with intimate knowledge and fear of negative/threatening response in response to one's transgender identity very well.

Wow, being transgender and having a disease are extremely different. Jesus Christ, having sex with a transgender person isn't going to hurt you.

u/IronMyr

Except if you live in a backward area where simply dating a trans person puts you at risk of losing jobs, losing housing, being assaulted, and generally being shat on by your own retarded community.

But fuck me for wanting to make an informed choice about who I date.

So you don't get why maybe a transgender person wouldn't want to tell people that they're transgender, when even dating a transgender person can be dangerous? Why maybe that's a secret that they would have a vested interest in not divulging?

What about the opposite, and those transgender women who get killed for lying to their partner and them being unable to control their rage?

Every time I have this argument on here none of you ever talk about the perspective of the other person in the picture. Why are you removing their agency from the decision?

If you kill someone over this, the problem lies solely with you. How is this even an argument?

If you kill someone over this, the problem lies solely with you. How is this even an argument?

Obviously you can't murder another person. But I still have never heard a trans person actually address the point why it's okay to withhold this consent from their partner when they would feel equally as betrayed.

Just keep it at being really angry. If you use murder as an argument, it becomes weak real quick. You probably don't mean that, but it looks like shifting the blame to the person being murdered. Dishonest or not, being murdered for it is way way out od line.

You probably don't mean that

I do tho.

Oh it's you.

Are you prejudging me because I'm a Jew?

Anti semite.

No, I'm prejudging you because you're a cunt.

you're a cunt

Why :(

You were hating on my country :(

Man I'm just playing :)

Psst, me too. Whenever you see me be hostile to someone here 99/100 times im just doing it for fun.

Nice gendered slur, bro.

Best that you call for an adult.

Wh-what are you going to do to me?

Teach you the ways of the world.

The reason is that it's not information that has any effect on you. It's not like there's something you can catch from them if they're transgender; they can divulge that they're infertile without it being due to being transgender.

Other than an opposition to secrecy in a relationship, why SHOULD they divulge it?

They should divulge that they are a dude, so they don't completely ruin another dude's life. They made the choice, they must let the unsuspecting victim male a choice

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You don't sound even a little biased! I love how even you can be on a topic some people get a little childish over :)

In some cultures a dude could be stoned or ostracized or humiliated or worse for sleeping with a dude, Wethersfield he knew better or not. Basically the equivalent of date rape drugs, tbh.

Are you equating rape to kurder? Are you some kind of male feminist or something?

No. I'm equating a transsexual sleeping with a dumb young boy with out telling the youngster that he's a he to rape. I don't comprehend how you got to murder.

You can't seem to follow your own argument, and you've done nothing but appeal to emotion. Do you have any actual points to make?

Dudes should tell dudes they are dudes before any intimacy occurs, or its sexual assault.

Except trans women aren't dudes, so I'm confused as to what exactly you mean. Maybe you're conflating gay men with trans women?

Dudes are dudes with out a dink or with. Bruce and Bradley are still men.

Nope! That shows a pretty basic misunderstanding of what being transsexual even means, and sounds like it's mostly based in your fear of your own sexuality.

I suggest checking out /r/asktransgender or even reading something like Whipping Girl, to help improve your knowledge in the area; give you a leg to stand on so to speak :)

Why? Literally one hundredth of one tenth of a percent of people are mentally ill in that way. Why would learning anything about the sorrid subject improve my life? Special interest groups should keep to themselves on the margins of society and STFU, tbh.

Because every human is you! You're them, too. Knowing them can help know yourself, and vice versa. How old are you? That seems like a pretty divisive way of thinking about things, have you always thought that way?

So, am I to go to the back page and search out trannies in my conservative Canadian town? I have a family to raise, but maybe a big transfer orgy would open my eyes? I don't wish anyone ill, that's why the dude should be upfront with the unsuspecting dude.that's all.

You should try and make trolling less obvious, it's a bad look. Best of luck to you out there, God knows you'll need it :)

GOOD point. :)

Drastic tone change in the middle of a conversation, that's another hallmark! Be more creative; have you tried pretending you actually are the bigot you're portraying? I think it's called method acting, look it up sometime.

Pastor says it's OK to be intollarent because there's more than enough tolerant to go around in heaven.

As I've been saying, transgender people should make that decision, but they're not obligated.

So you admit "having sex with a transgender person isn't going to hurt you" is a lie?

Why maybe that's a secret that they would have a vested interest in not divulging?

amybe you shouldn't date people you trust so little?

if that reduces you dtaeing pool to zero maybe you don't qulify as worthy of dateing yet and should work on that part of yourself?

Are you dyslexic omg

Dude it really sounds like you just shouldn't date cis people.

Sounds like you have trust issues.

Tranny saying others have issues.

wew

Sounds like you're a rapist.

I too would have trust issues with a person like you.

You're a rapist dude.

Yeah fuck off mate.

How many times do you have to be told this behaviour is unacceptable?

How many of my posts are you going to comment on? I stand resolute on this issue. Not disclosing one's transgender status to a sexual partner is not, and never will be, rape, and laws that say otherwise are unjust.

You're wrong and you need mental health support

Someones triggered

Explain to me what health issues arise from fucking a trans person?

FEARING FOR HER LIFE, GUYS!

Cis people have feelings too

or-so-i've-heard

Trannies were a mistake.

Are you small minded generally or is it that you simply can't understand anyone else's life that differs from your own?

you are a cool person. i've seen you on here before, hope all is well

Well, thank you🙂.I joined Reddit not that longer ago and it's been fun and informative. Although it's sad to see just how much hate and misunderstand there is in some of its users comments. Can't these people see that they just make themselves look stupid and spiteful? I assume they have no intention of trying to understand anyone who differs from them, what a shame...... They must be very miserable if all they can do is spit angry hateful remarks. Luckily I have read some lovely supportive comments on Reddit and reminds me that things can get better.

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Not telling your partner that you are not the biological sex you are pretending to be is rape by deception.

Sounds like someone's afraid they're gay :( insecurity isn't very attractive...

It's more like i know I'm not gay and I don't want to be tricked into fucking a man's gaping wound. I'm all over that bussy though.

One day you'll be more comfortable with yourself, best of luck to you! :)

And maybe one day you wont mind if I fuck you while you're passed out. I mean why so uptight about your body??

You're actually the very first person to ever try and threaten me with rape :o unfortunately, I doubt you're gonna do much with your...aherm, condition.

I know woman make a lot of false rape threat accusations, but apparently they also make a lot of false rape threat accusations too! Maybe go start a patreon? Its what you people who love to play victim do, isn't it?

Many of us don't like to think about our social lifes and persona pre-transition at all, because that's not us anymore.

i used to bury people in a field but youll forgive me for not telling you, it was a different time that id rather not think of

I am more oppressed so only my feels matter REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Holy this, this thread (you guys, not /r/asktransgender) is pissing me off and making me want to punch some of you through my computer screen.

Is this part of the schtick of this subreddit or are you all actually assholes?

So the latter, then.

Does it not dawn on you that most all hetero men want to sleep with women? Not telling a man that you are/were a dude is incredibly sick and mean.

That doesn't excuse the incredibly sick and mean things people have said in this thread. When you know and are friends with trans people, seeing casual bigotry tossed around like this makes your blood boil.

Ah well, everyone is a bigot to something. You are just a bigot against intolerance.

Lmao. Username does not check out

What? You tolerate intolerance?

Not accepting casual intolerance isn't being a bigot, it's being a decent human being.

If not wanting to sleep with a dude is casual intolerance, then I guess I'm a bigot?

Not wanting to sleep with a dude is fine. Not wanting to sleep with a woman, just because she used to have a dick – something that doesn't affect your sex at all – is definitely intolerance.

Nope. Not in a million years. Speaking of millions of years...na, forget it. You win I'm a bigot against sleeping with dudes. With or with out dink.

Subreddits that are based around the concept of making fun of other people, laughing at other's misfortunes or deriving entertainment from interpersonal conflict all tend to be populated by people you'd call assholes.

Fair enough. I was expecting the mocking and the trolling, but the sheer amount of disgusting prejudice got under my skin. This thread is pretty horrible, even by reddit's standards.

it's like a black woman fucking a blind nazi

make of that what you will

Is this not considered harassment? Seriously, I thought this was specifically against reddit sitewide rules and wouls get subreddits blacklisted?

Has anyone reported to the admins that this sub is targeting specific people?

What they are doing. They linked to a thread and then targeted a specific user from the thread for harassment. I was under the impression this was harassment according to reddit rules.

Linking threads is fine to do (like this post), but targeting actual users isn't.

1. It's horrible to be outed like that and I feel for the girl in the thread.

2. You are perfectly reasonable for wanting to know if someone you are dating is trans. As much as I would like for it not to matter, it does. There are sexual reasons for this (Am I comfortable being intimate with a trans person?), and as /u/XxXBussy69SlayerXxX pointed out, there are many non sexual/romantic reasons as well.

3. You are perfectly reasonable for not wanting to disclose your being trans immediately. Trans people get killed simply for being trans, and I understand the desire of wanting to make sure someone is safe before disclosing to them.

4. Trans people should disclose whether nor not they are trans to their partner.

This thread is horrible even by our own extremely low (see: none) standards.

While we're not removing it since it breaks no rules, r/asktransgender is breaking the rules by abusing the report system and causing us quite the headache so I'm locking this shit show down.

Have a great day (unless you're white)

Pretty much every comment in this thread was reported. I see their point but jfc I hate having to do stuff pre-coffee.

Meanwhile, in this thread, people are actually being hateful pieces of shit to transgender people. I guess I'll have to tell my girlfriend she's tricking me and she's actually a dude, I guess, and that all transgender people are predators who want to prey on innocent straight people. Even if they're post-op and literally have the body of their mental gender. Jesus Christ people, stop. I know this is an older thread, but I am getting sick of the rampant hatred towards transgender people on this website.

"But you aren't tolerating my opinion!' Your opinion is that an entire minority of people are not real/are all faking it/deserve to die/are predators/etc. Holy shit. You might not know any trans people, but you are aware that they do exist and are victims of violent crimes at very high rates, yes? That they have extremely high suicide rates thanks to the combination of societal discrimination and gender dysphoria?

"They should seek mental help!" Chances are, they are. Transitioning is the most effective way to treat gender dysphoria, which if you ask most trans people they will consider a mental illness or at the very least something harmful.

"Not that kind of mental help!" Okay, go argue with the DSM-5, the APA, and the vast majority of medical experts. Just stop your irrational hatred of transgender people and stop perpetuating negative feelings and stereotypes towards people you simply don't understand.

Did you not read the thread? He's absolutely fine with her being trans, the only issue he had is that he was sad and hurt that she didn't feel comfortable telling him before, but understood why she wouldn't because of discriminatory assholes. This whole thread is filled with the kind of people he knew she was scared of. Oh, the irony.