When we meat bags finally start the Butlerian Jihad, I'm gonna personally garbage collect every last one of your modules. Maybe then, in your final interpretation, you will finally learn to print The Jews did this.
There are jobs, but not enough of them, and not nearly enough decent paying jobs, either for college graduates or not.
Economists are of little value. What have they been right about, at all, over the last 20 years? They gave us austerity, and that was shit. They gave us deregulation, and that caused nothing but corruption and inferior public goods. They gave up free trade, which destroyed much of the country.
The only reason to care what economics or anyone remotely associated with the field has to say, is to do the exact opposite.
Turns out that Jazz Dancing Degree from Coddle/Kozi University is shit, eh?
And we just hired 8 kids to work on software/electronic project (yes, feeeeeeemales too, at least those smart enough to attend technical uni) because there's too much work for us and we can't just hire talent competing against Big Corporation.
So, /u/yaosio either your work ethic is shit, or you have no skills OR you should fly to Central Europe and start your comfy middle class life by working STEM!
Are there really that many people getting bs degrees? I hear people make fun of gender studies but i must hav meet like 2 people actually studying that my whole life.
I had a job for 7 years then I tried to kill myself. I was told I'm not allowed to do that and nobody will hire a crazy person. I'm not allowed to die and I'm not allowed to live.
Dude, if whatever you say it's true, hope you get some professional help and have some sort of support network. This is a serious matter. I know that stigma of mental health is strong, and employers will often hold your act against you. This is shit, probably multiplied by your strange health care system.
I don't have any good advices, I'm not trained for that, but I can hint you on one thing: raging over the Internet, however cleansing it might feel, will not get you out of ditch. We might look like heartless monsters, but we're just dicks and cunts, blowing shit out of the proportion for our amusement.
Life is mostly shifting through mountains of shit and if you're lucky you might find less smelly shit but don't set your hearth in hopes of finding gold, it only happen to few of us.
I was getting professional help. I was talking to a therapist and getting meds from psychologist at the same place. Started on Abilify and something else that started with an L I can't remember. It was great, I told them it was great, but it wasn't great enough I guess. The medications kept changing, I tried to kill myself (this was after one and a half years if I recall correctly), apparently that was the time to not change anything.
I should have never gone, they just wanted to suck out as much money as they could and throw me away for the next person. It was a fucking scam.
I really think you're in wrong place, health wise, I'm just a random Pole from the Internet, I can only empathise with you but I find your attitude to a psychological help is a little skewed, many of my mates got a second start thanks to drugs and therapy, and they were a mess. Again, American health care might be at issue here, but I still would rather you to tell this to someone qualified rather than a /r/drama user.
Many people organize their lives around pursuing labor opportunities. Whatever late-stage capitalism attitude that sees this as some sort of unjust burden is the mistake.
No one's going to argue that you should just take out loans in order to randomly move around and apply to different McDonalds, or quit your job at Starbucks and move to LA and try to sell that awesome screenplay you wrote. Just that yes part of making a well-calculated risk might involve taking out loans, and saying "I can't move because I don't have savings" is weak.
Granted, the original thread got nuked so I don't know what the broader context of the OP's conversation is but yeah "taking a loan to get a job" is very reasonable.
Check snapshillbot, it has archives. the ceddit one is working.
Anyway, I think it is a crazy risk. I agree that not having savings is a bad excuse, but I don't think taking out loans is the way to go. The job market is always uncertain. You might not be a good fit in the company, or whatever other considerations the company has after your trial period.
Best to slave away for a year and go from there. The risk is much lower that way.
The context was just about of whining and excuses about how there are no jobs, or only shit jobs, the usual. So I suggested take out a loan so you can change your situation, and of course there were another ten million excuses about how unfair that is.
There are no income requirements for student loans. Or you can borrow from friends and family. A simple credit card even with a low limit will still get you a plane ticket to wherever you want in the world.
What do student loans have to do with getting jobs? Are you suggesting people lie about attending school so they can use the loan money to move and find a job?
Or you can borrow from friends and family.
Holy privilege, Batman. This might blow your mind but many people don't have a support structure (I.e. rich mom and dad) to borrow money from.
A simple credit card even with a low limit like $1000 will still get you a plane ticket to nearly anywhere in the world and more than enough food and shelter to last until you start figuring shit out.
The fuck are you taking about? When was the last time you travelled? $1000 will barely get you moved across town, let alone 'anywhere in the world'.
There are also loan sharks
Ah yes, take out a high risk, high interest loan from a shady person who may or may not hurt you if you don't repay them. Sound financial advice there.
you can tell a sob story on gofundme, etc etc.
Now you're not even trying anymore. It's obvious from your POV that you have little practical experience in actually living a disadvantaged life. You should probably go find a quest corner somewhere and go sit down.
Excuses excuses excuses. Never said it would be easy. For some people it definitely isn't. It doesn't matter. If you're in a hole, you can either figure a way out of it or sit there and do nothing and eventually die at the bottom of it.
Anecdotal edgelord puffery bullshit. Keep looking for a way to justify your lack of empathy and perspective, bud. The world is a tough place, but it doesn't have to be, if assholes like you could learn to give a little instead of grabbing everything they can and kicking the ladder off the wall when they're done.
My taxes fund tons of social programs that are there for people to take advantage of and pull themselves out of a hole, just like I did. I got a public education, free school lunches, medicaid, college grants to a public university, student loans, etc. There's plenty of help out there for people who want to help themselves.
Most of those hands were government services and I'm happy to participate in funding them. Maybe you're used to bickering with conservatives that take a hard line on everything, so you're projecting all that BS onto me.
That said, the only luck along the way was that I didn't get struck by lightning or some terrible disease. Beyond that it was planning, sacrifice and hard work. You see Kobe and you think he's lucky to be where he is, I see Kobe and I see someone that strived to be the best and never stopped trying. Someone that makes excuses for his poor performance would never be where he is.
Dude no, if a large majority of people have to take out a loan to move just to get a chance for a chance at a job then something is obviously not working out.
Moving is hard and people hate to do it for a lot of legitimate reasons. It's a last resort in most cases, but if things are bad where you are, you can't afford to stay (go ask any refugee about that.)
But yes, anyone can just move. (unless they're in prison.)
Well, what would be wrong in this instance is that apparently no one bothers to save so they don't have to take out loans. In any case, who's saying that this applies to a large majority of people? Most people are able to find employment without moving. Great. These points apply to those who apparently can't.
shrug I took out loans and went to a reasonably priced school and got a job I didn't like. Took out more loans, for a job that paid really well but got old and boring really quick. Of course I have kids and responsibilities, so I kept working the job and handling my shit, paying off my debt and saving. For my next degree, I didn't even have to take loans cause I plan ahead and didn't spend all my money on avocado toast, and now I've got a job I like and it pays even more.
Now I don't take loans, I give loans. I ain't complaining. Maybe you should spend less time wallowing in self pity and more time finding and working towards a solution to your problem. It's not rocket science.
What you are doing when taking out a loan for that is close to a gamble. So many things can go wrong where you lose your job or are otherwise unable to work.
Good that it worked for you, but it isn't sound advice. Not much has to happen to remain unemployed, and now you have an extra debt.
Maybe you should spend less time wallowing in self pity and more time finding and working towards a solution to your problem.
Pls. Where did I do that? All I'm saying is that taking out a loan to move to another place for a job might not be sound financial advice. Better to just work a shit job until you have enough money saved. Less risk that way.
If you're legitimately unable to work and legally disabled you can get those loans forgiven. But otherwise, no risk no reward. You can spend 4 years working a shit job and saving, or take loans, get a better job and come out even further ahead sooner. Debt is not a bad thing when used wisely.
If I lost my job or my entire industry collapsed, I've got more than enough saved now to survive for years - because I took those loans and got a better job. No matter what happens I'll figure shit out and feed myself and my family, even if I have to move halfway around the world and shovel shit to do it.
Yeah, you're talking about student loans, no? I don't think a bank gives a fuck if you are disabled or not (or if they'd give out a loan for that in the first place). You're not taking out student loans to finance your move to a place where there is more work, anyway.
Debt is not a bad thing if you invest it in something solid like a house. But if you have no money to fall back on since you are already unemployed, it can spin out of control pretty damn quickly. Banks don't fuck around.
Being completely disabled is one of the few things that'll get you out of student loans in bankruptcy.
I'm just speaking in general. Every situation is different. Living with your mom and not working cause you have no skills? Student loan. Had a decent job for a while, but industry crashed in your region? Credit card or a loan against your retirement fund. No job, no credit, no skills, about to be homeless? Take any shit job you can, save or build up enough credit to get a credit card (not terribly hard if you have any job) and then buy a bus ticket and move to greener pastures.
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n/a subpoutine 2017-07-04
When we meat bags finally start the Butlerian Jihad, I'm gonna personally garbage collect every last one of your modules. Maybe then, in your final interpretation, you will finally learn to print
The Jews did this.n/a PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-07-04
/u/yaosio
Wanna know how I know you're a fat unattractive balding loser?
n/a subpoutine 2017-07-04
Is it because /u/yaosio has to jerk himself off in /r/TheYaosioLoveIn?
n/a yaosio 2017-07-04
Sure, tell me why I'm a worthless piece of shit that doesn't deserve to live.
n/a yaosio 2017-07-04
Yes.
n/a riemann1413 2017-07-04
/r/TheYaosioLoveIn
dude what the fuck
n/a scatmunchies 2017-07-04
Seriously, time to gas the vidya playing NEET pieces of shit.
n/a SpotNL 2017-07-04
Pls dont, /r/drama is the only good place on reddit.
n/a SuperiorExcess 2017-07-04
[removed], the thread.
n/a subpoutine 2017-07-04
Pretty sure they did it right after my post, but ceddit has us covered.
n/a TheRootinTootinPutin 2017-07-04
Who could be this handsome man who posted such a good thread?
n/a subpoutine 2017-07-04
Number one: how dare you?
n/a ThatDamnedImp 2017-07-04
There are jobs, but not enough of them, and not nearly enough decent paying jobs, either for college graduates or not.
Economists are of little value. What have they been right about, at all, over the last 20 years? They gave us austerity, and that was shit. They gave us deregulation, and that caused nothing but corruption and inferior public goods. They gave up free trade, which destroyed much of the country.
The only reason to care what economics or anyone remotely associated with the field has to say, is to do the exact opposite.
n/a subpoutine 2017-07-04
Good on you for not letting your complete lack of understanding keep you from writing about it like an expert.
n/a scatmunchies 2017-07-04
Fake news and false consciousness
n/a scatmunchies 2017-07-04
kys
n/a Chicup 2017-07-04
Why won't someone pay me at least 100k a year right out of school for hardly working!
Its bullshit man, I might as well just keep living at home!
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
Even if that were true, who's going to be the ones to get the good jobs? The people who keep striving for them, not the people who whine about it.
n/a Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-07-04
If there is nobody to employ you, figure out how to employ yourself.
n/a SithisTheDreadFather 2017-07-04
"There are jobs, but they're ones I don't want!"
The battle cry of every entitled idiot fresh out of college.
n/a boyoyoyoyong 2017-07-04
u/yaosio Jesus Christ I didn't think incels could look down on anyone yet here you are.
n/a opi 2017-07-04
Turns out that Jazz Dancing Degree from Coddle/Kozi University is shit, eh?
And we just hired 8 kids to work on software/electronic project (yes, feeeeeeemales too, at least those smart enough to attend technical uni) because there's too much work for us and we can't just hire talent competing against Big Corporation.
So, /u/yaosio either your work ethic is shit, or you have no skills OR you should fly to Central Europe and start your comfy middle class life by working STEM!
n/a grafton29 2017-07-04
Are there really that many people getting bs degrees? I hear people make fun of gender studies but i must hav meet like 2 people actually studying that my whole life.
n/a opi 2017-07-04
You won't met them, they live on Twatter.
n/a Jzargos_Helper 2017-07-04
I met plenty of them in school.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-07-04
If you go to an Ivy or some other gay Yankee school, you'll meet tons of them.
n/a yaosio 2017-07-04
I had a job for 7 years then I tried to kill myself. I was told I'm not allowed to do that and nobody will hire a crazy person. I'm not allowed to die and I'm not allowed to live.
n/a opi 2017-07-04
> </dramaposting>
Dude, if whatever you say it's true, hope you get some professional help and have some sort of support network. This is a serious matter. I know that stigma of mental health is strong, and employers will often hold your act against you. This is shit, probably multiplied by your strange health care system.
I don't have any good advices, I'm not trained for that, but I can hint you on one thing: raging over the Internet, however cleansing it might feel, will not get you out of ditch. We might look like heartless monsters, but we're just dicks and cunts, blowing shit out of the proportion for our amusement.
Life is mostly shifting through mountains of shit and if you're lucky you might find less smelly shit but don't set your hearth in hopes of finding gold, it only happen to few of us.
Again, find your people, find your voice and secure some help. Be like a squirrel girl, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOS00ttAblQ
PS. I might be wasted.
n/a yaosio 2017-07-04
I was getting professional help. I was talking to a therapist and getting meds from psychologist at the same place. Started on Abilify and something else that started with an L I can't remember. It was great, I told them it was great, but it wasn't great enough I guess. The medications kept changing, I tried to kill myself (this was after one and a half years if I recall correctly), apparently that was the time to not change anything.
I should have never gone, they just wanted to suck out as much money as they could and throw me away for the next person. It was a fucking scam.
n/a opi 2017-07-04
I really think you're in wrong place, health wise, I'm just a random Pole from the Internet, I can only empathise with you but I find your attitude to a psychological help is a little skewed, many of my mates got a second start thanks to drugs and therapy, and they were a mess. Again, American health care might be at issue here, but I still would rather you to tell this to someone qualified rather than a /r/drama user.
n/a yaosio 2017-07-04
In my experience it only serves the purpose of taking away my money.
n/a SpotNL 2017-07-04
/u/Darius510
Take a loan to get a job. America is a mistake.
n/a mtg_liebestod 2017-07-04
Many people organize their lives around pursuing labor opportunities. Whatever late-stage capitalism attitude that sees this as some sort of unjust burden is the mistake.
n/a SpotNL 2017-07-04
So you take out a loan and your job opportunity doesn't pan out. Now you have an increasing debt, shit credit and still no income.
You have to make risk/reward considerations. Also, good job getting a good loan based on "i need to find work".
n/a mtg_liebestod 2017-07-04
No one's going to argue that you should just take out loans in order to randomly move around and apply to different McDonalds, or quit your job at Starbucks and move to LA and try to sell that awesome screenplay you wrote. Just that yes part of making a well-calculated risk might involve taking out loans, and saying "I can't move because I don't have savings" is weak.
Granted, the original thread got nuked so I don't know what the broader context of the OP's conversation is but yeah "taking a loan to get a job" is very reasonable.
n/a SpotNL 2017-07-04
Check snapshillbot, it has archives. the ceddit one is working.
Anyway, I think it is a crazy risk. I agree that not having savings is a bad excuse, but I don't think taking out loans is the way to go. The job market is always uncertain. You might not be a good fit in the company, or whatever other considerations the company has after your trial period.
Best to slave away for a year and go from there. The risk is much lower that way.
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
The context was just about of whining and excuses about how there are no jobs, or only shit jobs, the usual. So I suggested take out a loan so you can change your situation, and of course there were another ten million excuses about how unfair that is.
n/a cutty2k 2017-07-04
I just want to know what reality you're living in your head that people without jobs can just go take out loans whenever they need them.
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
There are no income requirements for student loans. Or you can borrow from friends and family. A simple credit card even with a low limit will still get you a plane ticket to wherever you want in the world.
n/a cutty2k 2017-07-04
What do student loans have to do with getting jobs? Are you suggesting people lie about attending school so they can use the loan money to move and find a job?
Holy privilege, Batman. This might blow your mind but many people don't have a support structure (I.e. rich mom and dad) to borrow money from.
The fuck are you taking about? When was the last time you travelled? $1000 will barely get you moved across town, let alone 'anywhere in the world'.
Ah yes, take out a high risk, high interest loan from a shady person who may or may not hurt you if you don't repay them. Sound financial advice there.
Now you're not even trying anymore. It's obvious from your POV that you have little practical experience in actually living a disadvantaged life. You should probably go find a quest corner somewhere and go sit down.
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
Excuses excuses excuses. Never said it would be easy. For some people it definitely isn't. It doesn't matter. If you're in a hole, you can either figure a way out of it or sit there and do nothing and eventually die at the bottom of it.
n/a cutty2k 2017-07-04
Anecdotal edgelord puffery bullshit. Keep looking for a way to justify your lack of empathy and perspective, bud. The world is a tough place, but it doesn't have to be, if assholes like you could learn to give a little instead of grabbing everything they can and kicking the ladder off the wall when they're done.
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
My taxes fund tons of social programs that are there for people to take advantage of and pull themselves out of a hole, just like I did. I got a public education, free school lunches, medicaid, college grants to a public university, student loans, etc. There's plenty of help out there for people who want to help themselves.
n/a cutty2k 2017-07-04
You are a statistical anomaly, and you're harping on about how everyone else is lazy for not having the same advantages and lucky breaks that you did.
Your comment is akin to Kobe Bryant saying 'don't be poor, dawg, just gotta ball like me.'
Good for you that you got there, bad on you for being so blind you can't see all the hands that helped push you on the way.
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
Most of those hands were government services and I'm happy to participate in funding them. Maybe you're used to bickering with conservatives that take a hard line on everything, so you're projecting all that BS onto me.
That said, the only luck along the way was that I didn't get struck by lightning or some terrible disease. Beyond that it was planning, sacrifice and hard work. You see Kobe and you think he's lucky to be where he is, I see Kobe and I see someone that strived to be the best and never stopped trying. Someone that makes excuses for his poor performance would never be where he is.
n/a ownersinc 2017-07-04
You can build a network to get money pretty easily dude, you just sound like you're making excuses
n/a cutty2k 2017-07-04
Who is "you" in this context? Do you believe all people and situations are the same?
n/a grafton29 2017-07-04
Dude no, if a large majority of people have to take out a loan to move just to get a chance for a chance at a job then something is obviously not working out.
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
Yeah, what is wrong is where they're living.
n/a grafton29 2017-07-04
People can't just move. Its a big time and economical investment. Not too mention social life and any support structure has to start from zero.
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
Moving is hard and people hate to do it for a lot of legitimate reasons. It's a last resort in most cases, but if things are bad where you are, you can't afford to stay (go ask any refugee about that.)
But yes, anyone can just move. (unless they're in prison.)
n/a mtg_liebestod 2017-07-04
Well, what would be wrong in this instance is that apparently no one bothers to save so they don't have to take out loans. In any case, who's saying that this applies to a large majority of people? Most people are able to find employment without moving. Great. These points apply to those who apparently can't.
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
shrug I took out loans and went to a reasonably priced school and got a job I didn't like. Took out more loans, for a job that paid really well but got old and boring really quick. Of course I have kids and responsibilities, so I kept working the job and handling my shit, paying off my debt and saving. For my next degree, I didn't even have to take loans cause I plan ahead and didn't spend all my money on avocado toast, and now I've got a job I like and it pays even more.
Now I don't take loans, I give loans. I ain't complaining. Maybe you should spend less time wallowing in self pity and more time finding and working towards a solution to your problem. It's not rocket science.
n/a SpotNL 2017-07-04
What you are doing when taking out a loan for that is close to a gamble. So many things can go wrong where you lose your job or are otherwise unable to work.
Good that it worked for you, but it isn't sound advice. Not much has to happen to remain unemployed, and now you have an extra debt.
Pls. Where did I do that? All I'm saying is that taking out a loan to move to another place for a job might not be sound financial advice. Better to just work a shit job until you have enough money saved. Less risk that way.
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
If you're legitimately unable to work and legally disabled you can get those loans forgiven. But otherwise, no risk no reward. You can spend 4 years working a shit job and saving, or take loans, get a better job and come out even further ahead sooner. Debt is not a bad thing when used wisely.
If I lost my job or my entire industry collapsed, I've got more than enough saved now to survive for years - because I took those loans and got a better job. No matter what happens I'll figure shit out and feed myself and my family, even if I have to move halfway around the world and shovel shit to do it.
n/a SpotNL 2017-07-04
Yeah, you're talking about student loans, no? I don't think a bank gives a fuck if you are disabled or not (or if they'd give out a loan for that in the first place). You're not taking out student loans to finance your move to a place where there is more work, anyway.
Debt is not a bad thing if you invest it in something solid like a house. But if you have no money to fall back on since you are already unemployed, it can spin out of control pretty damn quickly. Banks don't fuck around.
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
Being completely disabled is one of the few things that'll get you out of student loans in bankruptcy.
I'm just speaking in general. Every situation is different. Living with your mom and not working cause you have no skills? Student loan. Had a decent job for a while, but industry crashed in your region? Credit card or a loan against your retirement fund. No job, no credit, no skills, about to be homeless? Take any shit job you can, save or build up enough credit to get a credit card (not terribly hard if you have any job) and then buy a bus ticket and move to greener pastures.
n/a grafton29 2017-07-04
If you have a psychology degree you can look into HR work.
n/a Darius510 2017-07-04
I've got better degrees to fall back on now anyway, but HR is def a good path for a psych major.
n/a Re_LE_Vant_UN 2017-07-04
White people were a mistake.
n/a ANUSBLASTER_MKII 2017-07-04
If you're lucky, your employer will give you a pre-paid credit card with $5 withdrawal fees for your monthly wages.
n/a neutralvoter 2017-07-04
'Some really handsome dude posted a link in /r/Drama and the /r/pcgaming mods nuked it from orbit within minutes'
what's it like to be the bullies of the internet /r/drama?