However if someone identifies as a woman, then she's a woman even if she has a penis. If you're a man and you have sex with her, it's heterosexual sex.
het·er·o·sex·u·al
ˌhedərəˈsekSH(o͞o)əl/
adjective
1.
(of a person) sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex.
Heterosexual is a term to describe sexual attraction based on sex, not gender. You could tell me someone saying they are a woman is true just by virtue of them saying so, and that might be true. Tbh I really dont care what people think of themselves.
However, penetrating a biological male as a biological male is hm homosexual sex by textbook definition. It has nothing to do with gender at all.
However if someone identifies as a woman, then she's a woman even if she has a penis
Solid logic. I now identify as a forest characterized by high rainfall, with annual rainfall ranging between 250 and 450 centimetres. Please respect my right to exceed a monthly temperature of 18 °C (64 °F) during all months of the year and describe me as a "jewel of the earth". My pronouns are rainforest, tropical raindaddy and wet and wild biatch
[Woman with a penis] doesn't work like that. I don't care what people do or what they believe I justbdont have to buy into their delusions. Woman don't have dicks.
I assume your not talking about the rare intersex people or hermaphrodites. You think someone can be born a male an by LARPing that makes them a woman?
Well they aren't "real" women. Like i said I don't care what people do I it makes them happy more power to them. But biologically speaking they aren't real women. There is more than two genders the third gender is known as transexuals. Pretending they are the same as regular women is just wrong. Chromosomes determine an XX or XY pairing that determines sex. I'm not being a bigot or an asshole, I'm just saying what most people know or are afraid to say. Sorry if I offended you.
Well good you believe that, but I'm married to a woman that just had my baby and has a natural vagina. Do you think in any way a transman is the same biological or is closer biologically to me?
Woman have different bone structure than men, and what's the point in saying you're a man if you're perfectly fine with doing the one act that's entirely exclusive to women?
and what's the point in saying you're a man if you're perfectly fine with doing the one act that's entirely exclusive to women?
You or I don't get to decide what a man does with his body any more than we get to decide what a woman does with her body. Transgender or cisgender. It is up to that person and only that person (their partner too if they so choose).
It's pretty much the same as any other reproductive rights issue. They'll tell you the point. I can't because I would rather drown myself in the toilet than even consider the possibility giving birth.
That's a false and disingenuous argument that only works on the ignorant or already predisposed and you know it.
It's about the inherent genetic ability.
Literally the only people who upvote posts like this are those who have already done the mental gymnastics.
"Disingenuous" is a miscalculated word choice on your part. It's not wise to assume people lack experience or knowledge on a topic that you yourself are unfamiliar with. As a man with a (admittedly unwanted) uterus, I can guarantee that I have a better understanding here than you do. While you're at it, try not to assume transgender people are unicorns that you will never encounter. We're pretty numerous, despite being a small percentage of the population.
I get what you're saying, but you're thinking that there is a binary and that your assigned sex at birth (which can be wrong in the case of some intersex people, by the way) determines your gender. In some people, it just doesn't. That's why I say some men have a uterus and some women have a penis.
Transgender men are not cisgender men. I agree with that, but they are both men and deserve to be respected as such. Transgender men are not cisgender women. Same goes for women. All women deserve to be respected as such. There are no mental gymnastics involved. The core thing to understand it that gender is not black and white, or even black, grey, and white. It's more of a gradient.
Here is an article from the National Center for Biotechnical Information. This way, you have no need to take my word for anything. Also, here is a video of a transman and his cismale partner who gave birth this year. I also recall a few years back there was a transman who gave birth because his wife couldn't. He acted as her surrogate.
I say this with no malice: I don't care what you think, per se, nor am I arguing with you. Speaking against willfully ignorant IDEAS is important for others who choose to develop their views with information and experience.
Hell, some are even cool with giving birth after transition
see that is one thing I don't understand, giving birth is incompatible with being male, how does that not cause their gender dysphoria do launch into overdrive?
That's an excellent question. It really depends on the person. Dysphoria is a personal experience that isn't one size fits all. That's why proper healthcare in a place that understands trangender care is so important.
I personally wonder the same thing about transmen who give birth. I could never imagine it and I want a hysterectomy and chest reconstruction asap. (Fuck, gyn appointments are a bit traumatic for me. Scoop all that shit out and set it on fire. I want to watch it BURN).
***A transmen who is willing to give birth is proud of his transness AND accepts his body as not reducing him as a man.
I wish I could be that strong, but I'm not. I never had the support and acceptance from family that it takes to develop that confidence in myself during tranition. (Even if I was, I always thought of myself as a dad should there be a kid in my life. The idea of being a mom was aborrant to me even as a child).
I think most of it is social than physical, depending on how much you "pass". But stealth kind of sucks too.
Warning: Massive, but somewhat theraputic, info dump about my personal experience. *** means it is directly in response and shouldn't be skipped.
*** You can skip to the last paragraph for a concise summary of MY dysphoria.
I experience dysphoria more now "passing", because I'm hypervigilant that someone will emasculate me and that in turn causes me to mentally emasculate myself. And I tell you, being ashamed of being ashamed is just as bad as just being ashamed. I'm proud to be trans. I am a man despite my body. I'm ashamed that I'm terrified in people knowing that I'm trans because even if they don't say it, them suddenly seeing me as anything besides the man I am is... I can't describe it besides a feeling that shakes you to your core. My close friends that I tell I constantly wonder if that's the case. It causes me to withdraw even further.
Dating is a terrifying concept now, let alone feeling comfortable enough to have sex. My life is pretty shit and it comes all from how I see myself. And that's not even getting into not wanting to be touched, even for a hug, and hypervigilance that my binder is noticable.
I was supposed to get the aforementioned surgery done this summer after 12 years, but sadly, I lost my insurance. Binding is torture and I don't know if I'll survive another summer of it. I haven't been to a beach since 2003 and I was always in love with water and swimming since I was a child. I was a dancer too and stopped. My body gives me excessive grief and I honestly haven't seen more than my face when I'm undressed in years.
At the same time, I have a cousin who identifies as masculine, but isn't seeking any HRT or anything. I don't think they ever dealt with much dysphoria outside of getting pushback from my aunt. (I actually got blamed when I didn't find out until much later, because I was transitioning myself). Being forced to wear a girl's uniform in highschool was a punishment, but once highschool was over and moving out, it wasn't bad because friends and lovers were supportive and family came around fast.
Dysphoria tends to be worse the older you get, in my experience. Taking care of things with hormone blockers before puberty helps. My much younger cousin didn't develop extreme secondary sex traits though. A cup (honestly, no cup to speak of) and a lean, well muscled frame from being a highschool basketball star. There was no need to take hormones or change physically at all. Also, let's just say plenty of girls that identify as straight being all over you doesn't hurt either. >_<
*** Gender isn't binary, nor is it tied to sexuality. I have only dated women who date men for a decade. I haven't been with a man in a decade, because I'm afraid of the emasculation of not being accepted as a man. Women are more accepting and less inclined to see my gender assigned at birth to define their sexuality.
I am very male, but I don't deny my love of teasets, plushies, and cute things. My art is cute and I paint my nails. I make adorable little figures and jewelry. I don't feel less male because of it, but my body is a constant shock to me.
If I had been born with a male body, I would definitely have crossdressed for fun and still loved these things. I loved dresses and ribbons as a kid cause they were fun.That changed to spending most of my life feeling forced to crossdress.
*** It's like I had some part of me stolen by adolescence and as an adult shamed because I am fighting to get some of it back.
Thanks if you stuck around and read all that. Sorry it's so much. _^
Oh shit now it makes sense. You couldn't land an actual female woman so you're desperately trying to justify it to yourself like "oh man getting fucked in the ass by my girlfriend totally isn't gay". Stop being in denial brother. Embrace the gay inside you.
The word you want is "gender". There's no such thing as trans sex. This is why I'm speaking to you guys. To help you understand and make information and my experience available. Many transpeople would find this thread toxic and stay away. Nothing will get better without addressing it directly, so here I am.
Thank you for not demanding an answer in a condescending way. It helps a lot.
We words like transmen because it describes what I am without confusing me with cisgender men (cismen). Also, the prefixes cis and trans removes the idea that one is more valid than the other. Cispeople and transpeoples' genders are equally "normal" and "real".
"Cis" is Latin for "on this side of" and describes alignment. So cisgender is just your gender aligning with your assigned sex. (Some people are sensitive about calling it their sex because of the social stigma and to avoid the "you're not a 'real' girl").
"Trans" is Latin for "across from" or "on opposite sides". So, my gender is opposite my assigned sex. Assigned is better to say not only because it's more successful, but your legal sex can be changed.
Legally, I am male, since they don't specify. Passport, social security, all that shit. Medically, I am a transgender man, in a place that provides inclusive care. I don't disclose my gender besides M anywhere else, even medical stuff. Well, the airport.
But yeah, ftm = transman. I'm a man whose gender (male) is incongruent with the phenotypic (genetic) sex (female) I was assigned at birth. So I have taken medical steps over the last 12 years to bring my body (physiology) in alignment with my gender. It would have been much easier if I had started before puberty, since I would have never developed female secondary traits and had the same puberty as cisgender boys. But them's the breaks.
I don't like the "define male and female" thing because it's used to invalidate people with misguided use of science, much like how people once used science to invalidate the humanity of black people and still use it invalidate the intelligence of women.
I hope that helps. _^
We shouldn't forget intersex people though. They are genetically/physiologically both, but assigned one or the other at birth.
Hi, thanks for taking the time to condescendingly explain a bunch of things I've already heard. I actually have already considered the explanations you put forward, and they don't answer my questions or address the issues I'm raising.
The word you want is "gender". There's no such thing as trans sex. This is why I'm speaking to you guys. To help you understand
I used the word I wanted, thanks. Sex is biologically determined, and the words man and woman refer to biological male and female humans. If transwomen were female, you wouldn't have to differentiate between the two. That's why we use the prefix.
We words like transmen because it describes what I am without confusing me with cisgender men (cismen)
If there is no difference, and transmen are men, we wouldn't need a separate word to describe the two groups.
lso, the prefixes cis and trans removes the idea that one is more valid than the other. Cispeople and transpeoples' genders are equally "normal" and "real".
Normal has a meaning, "the usual, average, or typical state or condition". Tiny statistical outliers are not normal. Note, 'normal' is not a moral judgment, just an observation of the distribution of frequency across a sample.
In order for to to argue that a trans person's gender is 'equally real', you'd have to show that gender is real. I'd be interested to hear how you define gender in the first place, since you seem to have discarded any objective definition.
I don't like the "define male and female" thing because it's used to invalidate people with misguided use of science, much like how people once used science to invalidate the humanity of black people and still use it invalidate the intelligence of women.
If you are going to use a word, you need to be able to define what it means, and you should be using it in a way that conveys that meaning to other people in conversation. I don't know how you could be uncomfortable with "the define male and female thing", because this whole discussion is permeated by our definition of those words, and if you don't use them it's impossible to talk about the differences between men, women, and trans folk.
The thing that /u/PhysicsIsMyMistress is trying to get at but can't because he's a bit retarded is that a social definition of a woman is not necessarily tied to the biology, and claiming that it's an objective scientific truth that it is, is wrong.
Yeah. And I can also add that as a programmer, the people who don't understand that categories are man-made and should be made to be useful, are my bane and make me hate programming sometimes.
Try make libxml2 properly format the output file sometimes. It's an absolutely ridiculous struggle against pimple-eyed autistic fuckers who believe that XML is an eXtensible Markup Language and fuck you if you just want to save some data in a more or less human-readable format.
No, seriously, it's so ridiculous you won't believe. Like, there's a function called something like saveFile, and another called saveFileFormatted. So you think that calling the latter would save your file nicely formatted, ha ha, it doesn't. You have to give it a parameter formatted=True. And it still doesn't, because you have to call document.setProperty(ignoreWhiteSpace=True), and it still fucking doesn't.
Because the normies don't understand that XML is a markup language, so whitespace is important, so normies must not be allowed to just discard whitespace even if they read the documentation and went through all the above hurdles, because any normie can read the documentation, so every xml node has a dirty flag meaning that it was modified, and any modified node will not be saved properly formatted, EVER.
So the only way to save your XML file properly formatted, as if you were using it to just store some data and not as a FUCKING MARKUP LANGUAGE REEEEEE using libxml2, is to save it into an in-memory stream, then load it again, then do all of the above and save it to disk.
Words can't explain the hatred I feel just now, much less what I felt after two days fucking with this shit. Feminists are right, autistic males must be expelled from the programming profession with extreme prejudice.
I was upset about having to waste my time on fighting this shit while at work tho. It's not like I self-inflicted it by being a nerd who saves stuff in xml in their free time.
I am not really sure what "side" you are on here, maybe it's just because I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, I feel your last sentence could go either way, anyway...
but can't because he's a bit retarded
You are being generous.
Social definition is a social construct, biology is not. Also a social definition cannot be set by a minority (even being most vocal) of opinion.
Philosophy also has no business in biology or science. No amount of rationalization, good intentions or social "progress" transform a male with a penis into a female, even with the intention of healing, but unfortunately a lot of people latch onto that horseshit.
Mislabeling a whale, in this context of the linked article (which is full of contradictions and false conclusions btw), has actual repercussions. If PhysicsIsMyMistress wants to believe that a woman is any human being who defines themselves as a woman, he has every right to do so, the problems begin when he tries to force others to think the same (or correct them with authority) or make policy for society on the notion and acceptance and that is where that article (which I have previously read) falls short.
This is not a hair dryer incident (btw the author is full of shit because anyone with half a brain cell would have suggested that instantly). I say this because if we all took the bait and just rolled with it and gave everyone with the dysphoria a hair dryer then regular people suffer
You're out on a date with a gorgeous woman, things go well, you get back to her apartment, things get hot and heavy, she goes down town (whoo hooo baby Jackpot!) , you finish and then she pull down the skirt and says "now do me". That's mentally scarring.
The onus is not on me to accept it and blow.
You're at the gym, you meet a nice girl, she seems to share your interests, you gab with her, bond, she' going to be your new bestie. Over the course of a week you've told her all your deep dark secrets. You end up in the bathroom with each other and then she whips out her penis and says "check it out, I can draw with this thing lolz".
My point being is that while sure a hair dryer is the most obvious solution, if that hair dryer is being flung at other people, it can cause damage.
Appeasement as a means of treatment is not something I agree with in any shape or form.
If you are going to assert that the dysphoria is an actual dysphoria, you cannot simply spin around and put the onus on society to treat that dysphoria by turning a blind eye to it. That's what medical and behavioral sciences are for.
First of all, I'm not sure that you actually understood the point of the post, that facts and categories form two very different, uh, categories, otherwise you wouldn't be saying that "philosophy also has no business in biology or science" and other stuff about things being really real.
Again, that Pluto is mostly round, orbits the sun, and has not cleared its orbital neighborhood of debris are brute scientific facts. Before 2006 that made Pluto a planet, while afterwards it became a planetoid, without any changes in scientific facts or our knowledge of them, so "Pluto is a planet" is not a scientific fact (even though it might involve some scientific facts fed into a definition of a "planet").
And that's not obvious at all of course, I don't expect you to read that argument and be like, oh, sure, I see now. Your brain has only a single category for statements like "this objects has four feet", "this object has a curly tail", "this object is furry", etc, and then "this object is a dog". You must logically understand that the last one is not like the others, it's derived from the others and has no objective existence, and work is required to correct for the fact that your brain is showing you an optical illusion of sorts here.
(note though that when your own wellbeing is on the line, like if you're an Antarctic explorer and suddenly discover that some objects you thought were dogs are actually alien things from outer space, you get on redrawing category boundaries in your head very eagerly)
Regarding you being mentally scarred by the possibility that you'd have to bail out of some dates, I don't know, invent a story about having a PTSD from the Bangcock incident and ask? It's not that hard.
I mean, nobody (except the retarded fringe) is trying to take away your ability to express the idea of biological sex and genitalia shape. Go ahead, refuse to blow a penis, refuse to look at penis, whatever. The point is to establish a baseline definition for all other things, like pronouns and wearing dresses and using appropriate bathrooms etc.
Because unfortunately people suck, and while with whales we can trust that accepting the phylogeny-based definition wouldn't cause a bunch of morons to pass laws moving whales from being dealt by fishing to forestry ministry, not so with transgender people, as objectively demonstrated by NC lawmakers IIRC.
If you are going to assert that the dysphoria is an actual dysphoria, you cannot simply spin around and put the onus on society to treat that dysphoria by turning a blind eye to it. That's what medical and behavioral sciences are for.
No, but the thing is also way more complicated than you seem to realize. Which isn't bad per se because practically there's little to no reason you'd need to be well versed in medicine as it concerns trans people. In any case, "LARPing as a woman" is a grossly oversimplified and medically inaccurate description. Nobody's saying that trans women are identical to cis women, but calling trans women men isn't scientifically accurate either.
Basically, the biology boils down somewhere in between, depending on what biological system you're looking at and depending on where the person is in medical transition. Chromosomes always remain XY, but chromosomes are just data that cells use to pattern themselves and you can force cells to pattern themselves from different parts of the DNA than they normally would.
I don't really care what bathroom they use, I'm not looking either way. Not to mention, it's only a matter of time before the generation of whiny pussies demand public bathrooms be banned all together because muh fart rape or some other dumb shit.
Would you actually have a problem with a person who has a penis and no breasts pissing in your bathroom? If yes, you're a fucking retard. I'm fully with people saying that you can't go in a bathroom just because you 'feel' like the sex on the door, but what I think you're suggesting is pretty fucking stupid. They're based on sex, and if you have a penis you are male. 'Muh chromosomes' don't mean shit when you have a woman walking into the male bathroom because retards want it to be about birth certificates. Tbf we should just abandon the segregated bathrooms bullshit and just have stalls. It'd make life so much easier.
Well then they aren't women. Yeah, some people here will say 'you are what you are horn', that's wrong too. If you have a dick, you are male. That's how it works.
If you've got a cock and an XY sex chromosome pair, I hate to break it to you but you're still male and will never, ever be female, no matter how much you want to be or how much you try.
It stops them from being female. They are still male even if they are a woman. Therefore a male having sex with a male trans woman is still homosexual.
Homosexual sex is when two individuals of the same sex have sex. A man and a trans woman are both male, and thus if they have sex, are having homosexual sex.
Who gives a shit what the dictionary says? The dictionary does the most rudimentary definitions of words, it doesn't cover concepts. Get a fucking education.
Quoting the dictionary warrants getting killed imho.
If we don't use a dictionary definition, please feel free to provide your own, and your justification for expecting others to define it the same way in conversation.
Did you just realise that getting fucked by your girlfriend's dick makes you a homosexual? Feel sorry for you bro but the dick should have kinda tipped you off...
And if you were fucked by him, straddling you, his muscular arms embracing you, his chest hair tickling your torso as you caress his beard and sideburns, that'd be totally heterosexual sex on your part? Because he's "still female"?
I think that this is kinda complicated, if not exactly rocket science. And that all attempts to make it less complicated by appealing to biological facts are searching under the streetlight. Just because you can make a simple definition doesn't mean that it makes any sense or is useful at all.
And if you were fucked by him, straddling you, his muscular arms embracing you, his chest hair tickling your torso as you caress his beard and sideburns, that'd be totally heterosexual sex on your part? Because he's "still female"?
I already said I wouldn't fuck him because he's manly and I don't go that way.
Then your definition of homosexual act is entirely useless. Its only redeeming quality is that it's more or less simple, but there's a lot of useless simple definitions.
My definition that says that a guy wanting to fuck Buck Angel is probably gay, while a woman wanting to fuck him is probably straight, is much more useful, because those people would also want to fuck usual men.
My definition that says that a guy wanting to fuck Buck Angel is probably gay, while a woman wanting to fuck him is probably straight, is much more useful, because those people would also want to fuck usual men, probably.
I would agree with you. And yet a man fucking Buck Angel, even if he's gay, would still be performing a heterosexual sex act.
I recommend actually reading the blog post I linked, because you said that as if it's objective truth, and not something that depends on how you define things, and you have to actually justify your way of defining things.
That's the thing Scott Alexander didn't write there, but what I think is of extreme importance: people think that postmodernism means that we can define things whatever (including most postmodernists unfortunately). No, it means that it's a responsibility to define things in a useful way, and it's the pseudo-traditionalist approach that shirks that responsibility in favor of sticking to the pseudo-traditionalist status quo (your great-grandpa would say that fucking Buck Angel is gay regardless of his chromosomes because human chromosomes weren't properly catalogued until like 1950s)
It is pretty simple. Unless you can modify your chromosomes you remain the sex you were at conception until death. Homosexual acts are sexual acts committed by two individuals of the same sex. Therefore a normal man fucking a trans woman is a homosexual act because both are male.
Like a fucking blog post is some definitive answer as to whether traps are gay or not. LOL and you wonder why people do not take the shit you say seriously.
So biblical retards that didnt fully understand the difference between fish and mammals, arbitrary borders, and a crazy lady that just needed to bring her hair dryer around with her is how we begin to understand that traps that have a dick are not gay when they have sex with anothet person with a penis?
LOL you SRDines are hilarious. Your retarded little buddy u/physicsismymistress is in this thread denying that the dictionary holds an accurate definition of homosexuality/heterosexuality and you are sitting here prescribing a progressive blog as the real way to get to the bottom of the 2017 question of the year.
Oh my bad I apologize for that horrible accusation. If i wasnt so shy i would post bussy in repentance. Regardless of which side you and I fall on this issue of traps being gay, we should be able to agree that mayocide is the correct and only answer to this question that plagues our society.
Considering this would never happen irl without a prosthetic apparatus and industrial lube because Buck is biologically female and dosent have a cock or testes, its kind of a nom convo.
Buck can Get Fucked, But if Buck wants to Fuck then Buck Out of Luck.
I'm pretty sure that if Buck were fucking you with his vagina, you'd be squealing like a little bitch, with no delusions like "actually, I'm fucking him here" remaining.
I'm pretty sure that if Buck were fucking you, with his vagina enveloping your penis and moving over it, you'd be squealing like a little bitch, with no delusions like "actually, I'm fucking him here" remaining.
I'm honestly certain that I wouldn't be able to become aroused by someone that brain damaged.
I'm pretty certain that your penis won't ask for a second opinion. Contrary to the popular Republican belief, male body doesn't have a way to shut it down if it's a legitimate rape.
And if you were fucked by him, straddling you, his muscular arms embracing you, his chest hair tickling your torso as you caress his beard and sideburns, that'd be totally heterosexual sex on your part?
Are you trying to win an argument or make him /u/Deutschbag_ cum?
But my point is that you won't have sex with them until they 100% pass. Is that what you're saying?
I'm not gonna say you're a bigot or some SJW crap about how having preferences is contributing to some grand scale of oppression, but your comments here are kinda hypocritical.
lol if you have a beard and a goatee and you try to tell me you're a fucking woman, you can get laughed out of the building. That's fucking absurd nigga
Are you sure about that, because from what it seems, you're unwilling to accept any argument aside from "trans people are mentally ill hurr durr look I'm so edgy".
I don't even get why this argument is a thing. They're like .02% of the population. If someone had a thing where they absolutely, under no circumstances, would fuck somebody who was named Jessica whether or not she changed her name later, people would be like 'huh, that's kinda weird, but you have the right to your own sexual preferences so that's fair enough'.
And if somebody who was named Jessica had changed her name to Susan and when the guy found out broke up with her, people say 'that guy was weird, don't let it get you down'. But nobody would be calling the guy a bigot or want him doxxed and fired from his job over it.
Also please don't speak for me, /r/drama is an all inclusive space and I want him here. Because seriously, if you're suckin on a dick and calling yourself straight there is something very messed up with your worldview, and I can 110% guarantee you if you did a world survey on that question the result would hit 99% without struggling.
I do agree though that if you don't want to fuck trans people, that it's a thing that I'm not gonna yell at ya for. Sexual preferences aren't you control and I don't expect you to fuck every trans person you know.
However, the argument comes from the "trans people aren't real and are just mentally ill gas them now" is just retarded, but some people actually believe it.
Strawman gonna straw. Male and female is different to man and woman, and in a world where anything that isn't 100% straight is gay, a male man fucking a male woman is indeed gay. People can believe that without feeling the need to break out the zyklon.
so approx. 50% of the time the production of sperm could be either a male or female process and its impossible to tell if the production of eggs is male or female because only the y chromosome is definitive. also pretty crazy that types of infertility can be considered the loss of sex/gender
Nope, it really isn't. It's chromosomes, genitals, and expression of secondary sexual characteristics combined. Only if all three of those align is one properly male or female. Otherwise you're either surgically modified, or suffering from a chromosomal or hormonal disorder.
Yeah, HRT also exists. The only thing that, at the moment, the only real thing that can't be is the chromosomes and, while I concede that you can't change those, aside from that, it's the same in pretty much every way. A lot of times, people won't even know they've had sex or something with a transitioned person.
Also, reminder that it's not only trans individuals to get SRS. People who are intersex get it (although they get it really close to when they are born, so before any secondary sexual characteristics or gender identity develops).
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Well, someone has to make a determination based on the primary sex characteristics, i.e. in this case a penis, etc for guys and a vagina, etc for gals. Sex reassignment surgery changes these.
None of this is 100.% the same all the time, though. Human DNA isn't perfect, and stuff isn't always this way.
Someone has to make a determination but that doesn't change the objective fact of the matter. Someone could determine that a healthy lawn of green grass is in fact purple, but that doesn't change the reality that it is actually green.
Nah, it is. It's basis is sex chromosomes, and all stems from that. Any atypical expression of sex that deviates from the norm is a disorder, not another sex.
They look at the genitals. That is usually enough to get it right, except in extremely rare circumstances in which chromosomal or hormonal disorders make them get it wrong.
Tranny ass gash isn't a fucking vagina and any normal person who has seen 1 pussy in their whole lives can fucking tell. Go back to something awful you fucking troon.
/u/justcool393 literally can't. It's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard, there's a lot of things about sexual reassignment surgery but it definitely is not discreet.
people won't even know they've had sex or something with a transitioned person
just baited out you're a virgin bro. Any actual non /r/drama mod human being with sexual experience can tell the difference between a natural vagina and a artificially created wound that needs to be dilated every few hours.
Holy shit, whose mind decides the only acceptable reason to be seeing a tranny vagina is if you're randomly pulling up a skirt rather than, you know, actually fucking them? That's obviously the only fucking way you're going to see one dude. Unless you've semi-confessed the only way you see vaginas is through blatant sexual harassment which I could accept, seeing as you are blatantly a virgin with women.
The difference between an actual vagina, something you have never seen, and a wound caused by the surgical removal of a functioning penis that is only kept open because of repeated foreign attempts to stop the body healing it *matters a lot *
I mean, that's so obviously wrong. I don't talk about my individual experiences, but they're a lot more fun than what you're having.
wanking off to yaoi and trap porn at 3am is a lot of fun, I guess, if you've never actually had any sex at all.
And you don't need to be an expert on it to know basic facts lmao. This like someone who never went to school accusing someone who knows his 12 times tables of being a mathematician.
I never said that's the only thing. But seriously, get into edgeplay or something yo. Being asphyxiated while your get your submissive ass beaten while the blood drips out over your face is something that everyone should try once.
So, would you insist on calling someone with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Disorder a man? I mean, first of all how would you know if they didn't tell you. Maybe the fact they don't have a penis is enough for you to call them what they generally are (women)? If that's the case how is a transgender personally functionally different if their brain developed in a similar way, just not the rest of their body?
In my experience, most people on your side of things don't know fuck all about biology past a high school level.
To be fair, I have encountered people who are stupid and shitty enough to call an intersex woman with XY chromosomes a man after they found out... but that's like bottom of the barrel stupid.
Are you implying it would be gay even if he identified as a woman? Are you implying that we should consider guys who have sex with big, hairy women as bi?
This point is common and cute but really not well thought-through since it implies a lot of stuff that people generally don't want to embrace.
This person is experiencing unpleasant cognitive dissonance due to the following conflicting "logical" thoughts:
He's straight. Straight men like to have sex with women regardless of genitalia. Trans women are women regardless of genitalia. Therefore he likes having sex with trans women regardless of genitalia.
He doesn't want to have sex with dicks.
I put "logical" in quotes above because clearly, (2) is extremely illogical and makes no sense, and is therefore problematic and most likely rooted in disgusting transphobia. This poster needs to be reeducated ASAP.
Honestly how often does this happen that a guy is with a """girl""" for so long that he doesn't realize she's a dude? 80% of trans people still have original-sex features...
Yeah, but I can go make a blog, populate it with articles, and then link one of those arguments to prove my Reddit case, and all you're actually seeing is level 17 shitposting.
Posting a r/relationships thread without copy pasting the OP should be punishable by death tbh it literally makes the thread worthless after a few hours
Sorry I meant dating a tranny and wanting to feel straight (which clearly the OP has an issue with). He could stop fucking it, or just admit he's gay. But nope, he'll try to convince himself he's still straight, and try to get over the cognitive dissonance.
Well a trans person is the gender the identify with. It's understandable if you don't view them as potential sexual partners due to their biological sex, but mocking trans people and trying to shame them for identifying the way they do is just mean spirited and unnecessary.
So I was looking at my kitchen sink and realized my fixtures could use some polishing (no masturbation jokes, please, this is a classy establishment). As I rubbed the long hard object, I was thinking about how color works. Everything has a color, right? Trees are brown and green, oranges are... er... orange, and cars are available in every color possible (and a few that shouldn't be - canary yellow, I'm trying not to look at you). Most faucets are silver, but silver's not really a color, it's just reflective, and as soon as it gets worn or dingy everything takes on a grayish tone. So is "silver" really a good general description when it's not only "the color of everything around" but also requires regular maintenance to maintain? Why not use the color they usually are to describe them?
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1 SnapshillBot 2017-08-23
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1 Honk4Tits 2017-08-23
People are saying things like just because you have sex with a penis doesnt make you homosexual. Even the OPs like "IDK man, I feel pretty gay".
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
If you have sex with a woman who has a penis, it's still heterosexual sex because she's a woman.
Also what the hell does it matter.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-23
If you have balls slapping together, zib just cant see my way into considering that straight fam.
I unno', I OP wants to not feel gay, and I really dont think that is an option now. Just realize you are bi and get over it.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
OP is weird and hung up on stupid.
However if someone identifies as a woman, then she's a woman even if she has a penis.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-23
You know it
het·er·o·sex·u·al
ˌhedərəˈsekSH(o͞o)əl/
adjective
1.
(of a person) sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex.
Heterosexual is a term to describe sexual attraction based on sex, not gender. You could tell me someone saying they are a woman is true just by virtue of them saying so, and that might be true. Tbh I really dont care what people think of themselves.
However, penetrating a biological male as a biological male is hm homosexual sex by textbook definition. It has nothing to do with gender at all.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
Oh wow, a dictionary definition. we know Oxford dictionary definitions take in all the nuance of real life when it comes to concepts.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-23
Lul F
1 BannaHamHock 2017-08-23
You're my favorite new novelty around here man.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
Nuance doesn't include you fapping to trap porn and desperately trying to convince yourself you're 100% straight
1 CucksLoveTrump 2017-08-23
Solid logic. I now identify as a forest characterized by high rainfall, with annual rainfall ranging between 250 and 450 centimetres. Please respect my right to exceed a monthly temperature of 18 °C (64 °F) during all months of the year and describe me as a "jewel of the earth". My pronouns are rainforest, tropical raindaddy and wet and wild biatch
1 Ravensthrowit 2017-08-23
thats perfectly acceptable, but just be careful saying that to any Brazilian. They'll cut your ass down in an instant and sell you to Home Depot
1 CucksLoveTrump 2017-08-23
Fuckin bigots
1 Chromebookbitches 2017-08-23
For someone with a username such as "physicsismymistress", you sure seem to have a tenuous grasp on it.
1 Honk4Tits 2017-08-23
[Woman with a penis] doesn't work like that. I don't care what people do or what they believe I justbdont have to buy into their delusions. Woman don't have dicks.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
Actually some do.
1 Honk4Tits 2017-08-23
I assume your not talking about the rare intersex people or hermaphrodites. You think someone can be born a male an by LARPing that makes them a woman?
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
Yeah I'm talking about MTF Transwomen. It's not larping.
1 Honk4Tits 2017-08-23
Well they aren't "real" women. Like i said I don't care what people do I it makes them happy more power to them. But biologically speaking they aren't real women. There is more than two genders the third gender is known as transexuals. Pretending they are the same as regular women is just wrong. Chromosomes determine an XX or XY pairing that determines sex. I'm not being a bigot or an asshole, I'm just saying what most people know or are afraid to say. Sorry if I offended you.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
I'm not offended. But transwomen are women.
1 Honk4Tits 2017-08-23
Well good you believe that, but I'm married to a woman that just had my baby and has a natural vagina. Do you think in any way a transman is the same biological or is closer biologically to me?
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
You need to be more specific for that question to be answerable.
1 elvenboyslut 2017-08-23
Many transmen, if not most, keep their "natural vaginas". Hell, some are even cool with giving birth after transition.
It's easy for people to get confused when they aren't used to the terminology. ftm = transmen and mtf = transwomen.
That aside, if your wife was incapable of having a child, does that make her less of a woman to you?
1 Alt3rnativeT3ntac1e5 2017-08-23
Woman have different bone structure than men, and what's the point in saying you're a man if you're perfectly fine with doing the one act that's entirely exclusive to women?
1 elvenboyslut 2017-08-23
You or I don't get to decide what a man does with his body any more than we get to decide what a woman does with her body. Transgender or cisgender. It is up to that person and only that person (their partner too if they so choose).
It's pretty much the same as any other reproductive rights issue. They'll tell you the point. I can't because I would rather drown myself in the toilet than even consider the possibility giving birth.
1 lostintransactions 2017-08-23
That's a false and disingenuous argument that only works on the ignorant or already predisposed and you know it.
It's about the inherent genetic ability.
1 elvenboyslut 2017-08-23
"Disingenuous" is a miscalculated word choice on your part. It's not wise to assume people lack experience or knowledge on a topic that you yourself are unfamiliar with. As a man with a (admittedly unwanted) uterus, I can guarantee that I have a better understanding here than you do. While you're at it, try not to assume transgender people are unicorns that you will never encounter. We're pretty numerous, despite being a small percentage of the population.
I get what you're saying, but you're thinking that there is a binary and that your assigned sex at birth (which can be wrong in the case of some intersex people, by the way) determines your gender. In some people, it just doesn't. That's why I say some men have a uterus and some women have a penis.
Transgender men are not cisgender men. I agree with that, but they are both men and deserve to be respected as such. Transgender men are not cisgender women. Same goes for women. All women deserve to be respected as such. There are no mental gymnastics involved. The core thing to understand it that gender is not black and white, or even black, grey, and white. It's more of a gradient.
Here is an article from the National Center for Biotechnical Information. This way, you have no need to take my word for anything. Also, here is a video of a transman and his cismale partner who gave birth this year. I also recall a few years back there was a transman who gave birth because his wife couldn't. He acted as her surrogate.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4790470/ https://youtu.be/GCjsFMuVpiI
I say this with no malice: I don't care what you think, per se, nor am I arguing with you. Speaking against willfully ignorant IDEAS is important for others who choose to develop their views with information and experience.
1 PussMonster_ 2017-08-23
see that is one thing I don't understand, giving birth is incompatible with being male, how does that not cause their gender dysphoria do launch into overdrive?
1 elvenboyslut 2017-08-23
That's an excellent question. It really depends on the person. Dysphoria is a personal experience that isn't one size fits all. That's why proper healthcare in a place that understands trangender care is so important.
I personally wonder the same thing about transmen who give birth. I could never imagine it and I want a hysterectomy and chest reconstruction asap. (Fuck, gyn appointments are a bit traumatic for me. Scoop all that shit out and set it on fire. I want to watch it BURN).
***A transmen who is willing to give birth is proud of his transness AND accepts his body as not reducing him as a man.
I wish I could be that strong, but I'm not. I never had the support and acceptance from family that it takes to develop that confidence in myself during tranition. (Even if I was, I always thought of myself as a dad should there be a kid in my life. The idea of being a mom was aborrant to me even as a child).
I think most of it is social than physical, depending on how much you "pass". But stealth kind of sucks too.
Warning: Massive, but somewhat theraputic, info dump about my personal experience. *** means it is directly in response and shouldn't be skipped.
*** You can skip to the last paragraph for a concise summary of MY dysphoria.
I experience dysphoria more now "passing", because I'm hypervigilant that someone will emasculate me and that in turn causes me to mentally emasculate myself. And I tell you, being ashamed of being ashamed is just as bad as just being ashamed. I'm proud to be trans. I am a man despite my body. I'm ashamed that I'm terrified in people knowing that I'm trans because even if they don't say it, them suddenly seeing me as anything besides the man I am is... I can't describe it besides a feeling that shakes you to your core. My close friends that I tell I constantly wonder if that's the case. It causes me to withdraw even further.
Dating is a terrifying concept now, let alone feeling comfortable enough to have sex. My life is pretty shit and it comes all from how I see myself. And that's not even getting into not wanting to be touched, even for a hug, and hypervigilance that my binder is noticable.
I was supposed to get the aforementioned surgery done this summer after 12 years, but sadly, I lost my insurance. Binding is torture and I don't know if I'll survive another summer of it. I haven't been to a beach since 2003 and I was always in love with water and swimming since I was a child. I was a dancer too and stopped. My body gives me excessive grief and I honestly haven't seen more than my face when I'm undressed in years.
At the same time, I have a cousin who identifies as masculine, but isn't seeking any HRT or anything. I don't think they ever dealt with much dysphoria outside of getting pushback from my aunt. (I actually got blamed when I didn't find out until much later, because I was transitioning myself). Being forced to wear a girl's uniform in highschool was a punishment, but once highschool was over and moving out, it wasn't bad because friends and lovers were supportive and family came around fast.
Dysphoria tends to be worse the older you get, in my experience. Taking care of things with hormone blockers before puberty helps. My much younger cousin didn't develop extreme secondary sex traits though. A cup (honestly, no cup to speak of) and a lean, well muscled frame from being a highschool basketball star. There was no need to take hormones or change physically at all. Also, let's just say plenty of girls that identify as straight being all over you doesn't hurt either. >_<
*** Gender isn't binary, nor is it tied to sexuality. I have only dated women who date men for a decade. I haven't been with a man in a decade, because I'm afraid of the emasculation of not being accepted as a man. Women are more accepting and less inclined to see my gender assigned at birth to define their sexuality.
I am very male, but I don't deny my love of teasets, plushies, and cute things. My art is cute and I paint my nails. I make adorable little figures and jewelry. I don't feel less male because of it, but my body is a constant shock to me.
If I had been born with a male body, I would definitely have crossdressed for fun and still loved these things. I loved dresses and ribbons as a kid cause they were fun.That changed to spending most of my life feeling forced to crossdress.
*** It's like I had some part of me stolen by adolescence and as an adult shamed because I am fighting to get some of it back.
Thanks if you stuck around and read all that. Sorry it's so much. _^
1 liquidm 2017-08-23
/r/drama users breeding is a perfect argument for a nuclear holocaust
1 PussMonster_ 2017-08-23
we should ban all filthy breeders
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Oh shit now it makes sense. You couldn't land an actual female woman so you're desperately trying to justify it to yourself like "oh man getting fucked in the ass by my girlfriend totally isn't gay". Stop being in denial brother. Embrace the gay inside you.
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2017-08-23
This makes so much sense! I just thought he was a socialist douchebag, I didn't know he was also gay.
1 boyoyoyoyong 2017-08-23
Jesus christ, it all make sense now. u/PhysicsIsMyMistress Have you helped him dialate his wound, do you guys share a razor.
1 boyoyoyoyong 2017-08-23
Jesus christ, it all make sense now. u/PhysicsIsMyMistress Have you helped him dialate his wound, do you guys share a razor.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
/u/PhysicsIsMyMistress baited out as a homosexual. Don't worry, bro, we like the gays now. Come out of the closet
1 Mircy 2017-08-23
waves
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
Men with penises are women. Great logic
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-08-23
Why do you have to use words like 'transman' and 'transwoman' if there is no difference between natal sex and trans sex?
Please also define 'male' and 'female' as it is used to describe himans, just to make sure we're on the same page.
1 elvenboyslut 2017-08-23
The word you want is "gender". There's no such thing as trans sex. This is why I'm speaking to you guys. To help you understand and make information and my experience available. Many transpeople would find this thread toxic and stay away. Nothing will get better without addressing it directly, so here I am.
Thank you for not demanding an answer in a condescending way. It helps a lot.
We words like transmen because it describes what I am without confusing me with cisgender men (cismen). Also, the prefixes cis and trans removes the idea that one is more valid than the other. Cispeople and transpeoples' genders are equally "normal" and "real".
"Cis" is Latin for "on this side of" and describes alignment. So cisgender is just your gender aligning with your assigned sex. (Some people are sensitive about calling it their sex because of the social stigma and to avoid the "you're not a 'real' girl").
"Trans" is Latin for "across from" or "on opposite sides". So, my gender is opposite my assigned sex. Assigned is better to say not only because it's more successful, but your legal sex can be changed.
Legally, I am male, since they don't specify. Passport, social security, all that shit. Medically, I am a transgender man, in a place that provides inclusive care. I don't disclose my gender besides M anywhere else, even medical stuff. Well, the airport.
But yeah, ftm = transman. I'm a man whose gender (male) is incongruent with the phenotypic (genetic) sex (female) I was assigned at birth. So I have taken medical steps over the last 12 years to bring my body (physiology) in alignment with my gender. It would have been much easier if I had started before puberty, since I would have never developed female secondary traits and had the same puberty as cisgender boys. But them's the breaks.
I don't like the "define male and female" thing because it's used to invalidate people with misguided use of science, much like how people once used science to invalidate the humanity of black people and still use it invalidate the intelligence of women.
I hope that helps. _^
We shouldn't forget intersex people though. They are genetically/physiologically both, but assigned one or the other at birth.
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-08-23
Hi, thanks for taking the time to condescendingly explain a bunch of things I've already heard. I actually have already considered the explanations you put forward, and they don't answer my questions or address the issues I'm raising.
I used the word I wanted, thanks. Sex is biologically determined, and the words man and woman refer to biological male and female humans. If transwomen were female, you wouldn't have to differentiate between the two. That's why we use the prefix.
If there is no difference, and transmen are men, we wouldn't need a separate word to describe the two groups.
Normal has a meaning, "the usual, average, or typical state or condition". Tiny statistical outliers are not normal. Note, 'normal' is not a moral judgment, just an observation of the distribution of frequency across a sample.
In order for to to argue that a trans person's gender is 'equally real', you'd have to show that gender is real. I'd be interested to hear how you define gender in the first place, since you seem to have discarded any objective definition.
If you are going to use a word, you need to be able to define what it means, and you should be using it in a way that conveys that meaning to other people in conversation. I don't know how you could be uncomfortable with "the define male and female thing", because this whole discussion is permeated by our definition of those words, and if you don't use them it's impossible to talk about the differences between men, women, and trans folk.
What makes a gender male or female?
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
The thing that /u/PhysicsIsMyMistress is trying to get at but can't because he's a bit retarded is that a social definition of a woman is not necessarily tied to the biology, and claiming that it's an objective scientific truth that it is, is wrong.
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-made-for-man-not-man-for-the-categories/, if you're genuinely interested in the subject and have like half an hour of free time.
1 subpoutine 2017-08-23
Huh, that was actually interesting.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
Yeah. And I can also add that as a programmer, the people who don't understand that categories are man-made and should be made to be useful, are my bane and make me hate programming sometimes.
Try make libxml2 properly format the output file sometimes. It's an absolutely ridiculous struggle against pimple-eyed autistic fuckers who believe that XML is an eXtensible Markup Language and fuck you if you just want to save some data in a more or less human-readable format.
No, seriously, it's so ridiculous you won't believe. Like, there's a function called something like
saveFile, and another calledsaveFileFormatted. So you think that calling the latter would save your file nicely formatted, ha ha, it doesn't. You have to give it a parameterformatted=True. And it still doesn't, because you have to calldocument.setProperty(ignoreWhiteSpace=True), and it still fucking doesn't.Because the normies don't understand that XML is a markup language, so whitespace is important, so normies must not be allowed to just discard whitespace even if they read the documentation and went through all the above hurdles, because any normie can read the documentation, so every xml node has a dirty flag meaning that it was modified, and any modified node will not be saved properly formatted, EVER.
So the only way to save your XML file properly formatted, as if you were using it to just store some data and not as a FUCKING MARKUP LANGUAGE REEEEEE using libxml2, is to save it into an in-memory stream, then load it again, then do all of the above and save it to disk.
Words can't explain the hatred I feel just now, much less what I felt after two days fucking with this shit. Feminists are right, autistic males must be expelled from the programming profession with extreme prejudice.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-08-23
/> using a data model
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1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-08-23
/> using a data model
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1 pepperouchau 2017-08-23
nerd
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
I was upset about having to waste my time on fighting this shit while at work tho. It's not like I self-inflicted it by being a nerd who saves stuff in xml in their free time.
1 pepperouchau 2017-08-23
techbro
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
pls respect my identification as a brogrammer.
1 Chromebookbitches 2017-08-23
Not really. Slate Star Codex is the Alex Jones of philosophy.
1 subpoutine 2017-08-23
I mean, my philosophy waifu is Hannah Arendt so it's not like I have great taste to start with.
1 lostintransactions 2017-08-23
I am not really sure what "side" you are on here, maybe it's just because I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, I feel your last sentence could go either way, anyway...
You are being generous.
Social definition is a social construct, biology is not. Also a social definition cannot be set by a minority (even being most vocal) of opinion.
Philosophy also has no business in biology or science. No amount of rationalization, good intentions or social "progress" transform a male with a penis into a female, even with the intention of healing, but unfortunately a lot of people latch onto that horseshit.
Mislabeling a whale, in this context of the linked article (which is full of contradictions and false conclusions btw), has actual repercussions. If PhysicsIsMyMistress wants to believe that a woman is any human being who defines themselves as a woman, he has every right to do so, the problems begin when he tries to force others to think the same (or correct them with authority) or make policy for society on the notion and acceptance and that is where that article (which I have previously read) falls short.
This is not a hair dryer incident (btw the author is full of shit because anyone with half a brain cell would have suggested that instantly). I say this because if we all took the bait and just rolled with it and gave everyone with the dysphoria a hair dryer then regular people suffer
You're out on a date with a gorgeous woman, things go well, you get back to her apartment, things get hot and heavy, she goes down town (whoo hooo baby Jackpot!) , you finish and then she pull down the skirt and says "now do me". That's mentally scarring.
The onus is not on me to accept it and blow.
You're at the gym, you meet a nice girl, she seems to share your interests, you gab with her, bond, she' going to be your new bestie. Over the course of a week you've told her all your deep dark secrets. You end up in the bathroom with each other and then she whips out her penis and says "check it out, I can draw with this thing lolz".
My point being is that while sure a hair dryer is the most obvious solution, if that hair dryer is being flung at other people, it can cause damage.
Appeasement as a means of treatment is not something I agree with in any shape or form.
If you are going to assert that the dysphoria is an actual dysphoria, you cannot simply spin around and put the onus on society to treat that dysphoria by turning a blind eye to it. That's what medical and behavioral sciences are for.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
First of all, I'm not sure that you actually understood the point of the post, that facts and categories form two very different, uh, categories, otherwise you wouldn't be saying that "philosophy also has no business in biology or science" and other stuff about things being really real.
Again, that Pluto is mostly round, orbits the sun, and has not cleared its orbital neighborhood of debris are brute scientific facts. Before 2006 that made Pluto a planet, while afterwards it became a planetoid, without any changes in scientific facts or our knowledge of them, so "Pluto is a planet" is not a scientific fact (even though it might involve some scientific facts fed into a definition of a "planet").
And that's not obvious at all of course, I don't expect you to read that argument and be like, oh, sure, I see now. Your brain has only a single category for statements like "this objects has four feet", "this object has a curly tail", "this object is furry", etc, and then "this object is a dog". You must logically understand that the last one is not like the others, it's derived from the others and has no objective existence, and work is required to correct for the fact that your brain is showing you an optical illusion of sorts here.
(note though that when your own wellbeing is on the line, like if you're an Antarctic explorer and suddenly discover that some objects you thought were dogs are actually alien things from outer space, you get on redrawing category boundaries in your head very eagerly)
Regarding you being mentally scarred by the possibility that you'd have to bail out of some dates, I don't know, invent a story about having a PTSD from the Bangcock incident and ask? It's not that hard.
I mean, nobody (except the retarded fringe) is trying to take away your ability to express the idea of biological sex and genitalia shape. Go ahead, refuse to blow a penis, refuse to look at penis, whatever. The point is to establish a baseline definition for all other things, like pronouns and wearing dresses and using appropriate bathrooms etc.
Because unfortunately people suck, and while with whales we can trust that accepting the phylogeny-based definition wouldn't cause a bunch of morons to pass laws moving whales from being dealt by fishing to forestry ministry, not so with transgender people, as objectively demonstrated by NC lawmakers IIRC.
This doesn't make sense.
1 VultureV1 2017-08-23
Illuminating read 10/10
1 Country-asshole 2017-08-23
So, they're like better than real women, right? Bussy.
1 Country-asshole 2017-08-23
So, they're like better than real women, right? Bussy.
1 k_dragon 2017-08-23
No, but the thing is also way more complicated than you seem to realize. Which isn't bad per se because practically there's little to no reason you'd need to be well versed in medicine as it concerns trans people. In any case, "LARPing as a woman" is a grossly oversimplified and medically inaccurate description. Nobody's saying that trans women are identical to cis women, but calling trans women men isn't scientifically accurate either.
1 Alt3rnativeT3ntac1e5 2017-08-23
If it's not up to physical biology I could have the worlds most equal group by having exclusively men as long as some of the men believe they're women
1 k_dragon 2017-08-23
I literally just said it is up to physical biology, bro. Actual biology, not ninth grade bullcrap bio.
1 Alt3rnativeT3ntac1e5 2017-08-23
I guess I was just confused by this part
1 k_dragon 2017-08-23
Basically, the biology boils down somewhere in between, depending on what biological system you're looking at and depending on where the person is in medical transition. Chromosomes always remain XY, but chromosomes are just data that cells use to pattern themselves and you can force cells to pattern themselves from different parts of the DNA than they normally would.
1 stationhollow 2017-08-23
The exception proves the rule. It doesnt make it not exist.
1 k_dragon 2017-08-23
I never said otherwise
1 ChateauJack 2017-08-23
trannies aren't women, end of story.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
Spoiler: they've been using your bathrooms for a long, long time. You just haven't noticed.
1 ChateauJack 2017-08-23
I doubt it.
I only use handicaped bathrooms. I like the extra space.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
You'd be wrong then.
Well, yeah, obviously. Those were made for you.
1 ChateauJack 2017-08-23
You know my comment is displayed right above yours, right?
You don't actually need to quote it, again.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
I was replying to specific parts of your comment.
No, I don't need to. But since you don't like it...
1 MajorPrick 2017-08-23
I don't really care what bathroom they use, I'm not looking either way. Not to mention, it's only a matter of time before the generation of whiny pussies demand public bathrooms be banned all together because muh fart rape or some other dumb shit.
1 Agent_Paste 2017-08-23
Would you actually have a problem with a person who has a penis and no breasts pissing in your bathroom? If yes, you're a fucking retard. I'm fully with people saying that you can't go in a bathroom just because you 'feel' like the sex on the door, but what I think you're suggesting is pretty fucking stupid. They're based on sex, and if you have a penis you are male. 'Muh chromosomes' don't mean shit when you have a woman walking into the male bathroom because retards want it to be about birth certificates. Tbf we should just abandon the segregated bathrooms bullshit and just have stalls. It'd make life so much easier.
1 ThatDamnedImp 2017-08-23
Don't download the lol-cow people.
Only the first ten or so really count anyway.
1 Agent_Paste 2017-08-23
Well then they aren't women. Yeah, some people here will say 'you are what you are horn', that's wrong too. If you have a dick, you are male. That's how it works.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Nope, because she's still male. I'm heterosexual, not heterogenderual.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
She's not male. She's female.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
If you've got a cock and an XY sex chromosome pair, I hate to break it to you but you're still male and will never, ever be female, no matter how much you want to be or how much you try.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
I'm not trans. But having a penis or XY chromosomes doesn't stop someone from being a woman.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
It stops them from being female. They are still male even if they are a woman. Therefore a male having sex with a male trans woman is still homosexual.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
Uh that's not true at all. Homosexual sex is two men having sex. If one is a woman, it's not homosexual.
You're basically denying transwomen's identities.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Are you dense?
Homosexual sex is when two individuals of the same sex have sex. A man and a trans woman are both male, and thus if they have sex, are having homosexual sex.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
That's literally not the definition of homosexual sex. Homosexual sex is two people of the same gender having sex.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
het·er·o·sex·u·al
ˌhedərəˈsekSH(o͞o)əl/
adjective
1.
(of a person) sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex.
Yes they are. But I mean you're a stupid Paki so I'm not surprised it's not clicking in your underdeveloped brain.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
Who gives a shit what the dictionary says? The dictionary does the most rudimentary definitions of words, it doesn't cover concepts. Get a fucking education.
Quoting the dictionary warrants getting killed imho.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Wew lad those goalposts are shifting at the speed of sound
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
How is it goalpost shifting? The dictionary has never been used in anything higher than 5th grade.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
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1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
I mean it's obvious you're not educated at all.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
I chortled
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
racists go away
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Do you even know where you are rn
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
you've been implying that he's uneducated just because he's Pakistani. are you retarded?
also no, /r/Drama isn't the place to spread your racist drivel.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Oh boy did you hit your head again? Should I call the ambulance?
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
The fact that I'm responding to you means that I'm following this pretty well. Any other place I'd probably just downvote and move on.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Cool, then maybe don't bitch about racism or whatever when it's pretty obvious the whole point of everything I'm saying is to get a rise.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
Not bitching about racism is doing exactly opposite of what the rule says. So no, fuck off racist.
1 AlreadyPorchNaked 2017-08-23
Lmao you are seriously retarded
1 stationhollow 2017-08-23
His girlfriend has a dick lol
1 PanicAtTheRollerRink 2017-08-23
I know that's the last grade you passed so I guess you don't know but I promise that ppl keep using it
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-08-23
If we don't use a dictionary definition, please feel free to provide your own, and your justification for expecting others to define it the same way in conversation.
1 stationhollow 2017-08-23
Did you just realise that getting fucked by your girlfriend's dick makes you a homosexual? Feel sorry for you bro but the dick should have kinda tipped you off...
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
Yes, they literally are.
1 TheJum 2017-08-23
It's literally the definition, as in literally the translation. It's a Greek/Latin hybrid word, and translates thusly:
Homo -> Same
Sexual -> Sexual acts or affections
Homosexual sex is male/male sex, female/female sex, or intersex/intersex sex.
Because they are the same.
Sex is not the same as gender. What a person identifies as has nothing to do with sex. It is a biological classification.
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-08-23
I'm not obligated to affirm anyone's identity. What is the difference between a human male and female?
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
So are you saying that you would fuck Buck Angel and that'd be a thoroughly heterosexual act on your part? Lol dude
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
yo you got spamfiltered for whatever reason. I've given your post a new life.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
Thanks, what about this comment?
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
this comment is fine. I think one one of your sites that you linked to may've been on the reddit's auto-spam list.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
Yeah, I accidentally linked to quickmeme because I totally forgot, lol.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
np
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Nah because that is one manly female. That's not how I do.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
OK, so would you call a woman who fell in love with Buck Angel and gets fucked by him a lesbian? Because that's not how lesbians do, either.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
I would say they are having homosexual sex. Buck Angel is a man but he's still female. This isn't rocket science.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
And if you were fucked by him, straddling you, his muscular arms embracing you, his chest hair tickling your torso as you caress his beard and sideburns, that'd be totally heterosexual sex on your part? Because he's "still female"?
I think that this is kinda complicated, if not exactly rocket science. And that all attempts to make it less complicated by appealing to biological facts are searching under the streetlight. Just because you can make a simple definition doesn't mean that it makes any sense or is useful at all.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
I already said I wouldn't fuck him because he's manly and I don't go that way.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
I'm asking if it would be gay or straight of you to enjoy that, not about your preferences in women.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Probably gay, but it would not be a homosexual act because the two individuals engaged in the act are of different sexes.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
Then your definition of homosexual act is entirely useless. Its only redeeming quality is that it's more or less simple, but there's a lot of useless simple definitions.
My definition that says that a guy wanting to fuck Buck Angel is probably gay, while a woman wanting to fuck him is probably straight, is much more useful, because those people would also want to fuck usual men.
If you now think that maybe this is in fact complicated, and want an explanation for how to think about this shit in a more rational manner, read this: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-made-for-man-not-man-for-the-categories/. It's long but funny, has a lot of very interesting examples, and explains this stuff pretty well.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
I would agree with you. And yet a man fucking Buck Angel, even if he's gay, would still be performing a heterosexual sex act.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
I recommend actually reading the blog post I linked, because you said that as if it's objective truth, and not something that depends on how you define things, and you have to actually justify your way of defining things.
That's the thing Scott Alexander didn't write there, but what I think is of extreme importance: people think that postmodernism means that we can define things whatever (including most postmodernists unfortunately). No, it means that it's a responsibility to define things in a useful way, and it's the pseudo-traditionalist approach that shirks that responsibility in favor of sticking to the pseudo-traditionalist status quo (your great-grandpa would say that fucking Buck Angel is gay regardless of his chromosomes because human chromosomes weren't properly catalogued until like 1950s)
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
It is pretty simple. Unless you can modify your chromosomes you remain the sex you were at conception until death. Homosexual acts are sexual acts committed by two individuals of the same sex. Therefore a normal man fucking a trans woman is a homosexual act because both are male.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
That's a useless definition.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
I don't care about its utility, I care about its accuracy. Try again.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
"A man is a person who owns land" is 100% accurate, if that's what you mean by accuracy, the objectivity and ease of use of a criterion.
1 keepittropical 2017-08-23
Like a fucking blog post is some definitive answer as to whether traps are gay or not. LOL and you wonder why people do not take the shit you say seriously.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
It's not a definitive answer but it provides answers you need to begin to find an answer to that.
Btw, some traps are gay, some aren't, pretty simple isn't it =)
1 keepittropical 2017-08-23
So biblical retards that didnt fully understand the difference between fish and mammals, arbitrary borders, and a crazy lady that just needed to bring her hair dryer around with her is how we begin to understand that traps that have a dick are not gay when they have sex with anothet person with a penis?
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
Pretty much!
1 keepittropical 2017-08-23
LOL you SRDines are hilarious. Your retarded little buddy u/physicsismymistress is in this thread denying that the dictionary holds an accurate definition of homosexuality/heterosexuality and you are sitting here prescribing a progressive blog as the real way to get to the bottom of the 2017 question of the year.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
I've been banned from SRD for nearly a year. I don't see how I'm a buddy of SRDines.
1 keepittropical 2017-08-23
Oh my bad I apologize for that horrible accusation. If i wasnt so shy i would post bussy in repentance. Regardless of which side you and I fall on this issue of traps being gay, we should be able to agree that mayocide is the correct and only answer to this question that plagues our society.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
How retarded are you to be not getting this?
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
Not exactly retarded, just never having thought about those things really. Thanks for the support.
1 Ls777 2017-08-23
You don't go that way? What way are you talking about?
The straight way? He has a vagina so it's not gay remember
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
I'm not attracted to masculine individuals. Pay attention.
1 Ls777 2017-08-23
I am paying attention. The expression "I don't go that way" usually means sexuality.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-23
Considering this would never happen irl without a prosthetic apparatus and industrial lube because Buck is biologically female and dosent have a cock or testes, its kind of a nom convo.
Buck can Get Fucked, But if Buck wants to Fuck then Buck Out of Luck.
Press F
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
I'm pretty sure that if Buck were fucking you with his vagina, you'd be squealing like a little bitch, with no delusions like "actually, I'm fucking him here" remaining.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-23
I'm honestly certain that I wouldn't be able to become aroused by someone that brain damaged.
Press F
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
I'm pretty certain that your penis won't ask for a second opinion. Contrary to the popular Republican belief, male body doesn't have a way to shut it down if it's a legitimate rape.
1 CultOfCuck 2017-08-23
Are you trying to win an argument or make him /u/Deutschbag_ cum?
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
Yes =)
1 CultOfCuck 2017-08-23
Keep it up. 👍👍👍
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2017-08-23
The answer is yes. Just because she's muscular doesn't make going clam digging with her less gay.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
Good luck explaining to your great-grandpa how fucking Buck Angel isn't "really gay" because he has male chromosomes.
1 OnlyRacistOnReddit 2017-08-23
I was saying that a woman going to town with her would be gay, not a guy going after her. But she's not my cup of tea.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
So basically you're basically denying their gender identity as long as they don't pass. Because that's all you're saying.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Nope. I've never said anything about their gender. Just their sex. Learn to read brosefino
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
But my point is that you won't have sex with them until they 100% pass. Is that what you're saying?
I'm not gonna say you're a bigot or some SJW crap about how having preferences is contributing to some grand scale of oppression, but your comments here are kinda hypocritical.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Nope, not at all. What I'm saying is that I won't have sex with them under any circumstances whatsoever.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
but you said fucking Buck Angel as a cis guy was heterosexual, but not the other way around...
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Buck Angel is female. A female having sex with a female is homosexual. I'm not sure where you see any contradiction in anything I said.
I said I wouldn't fuck him because he's a manly female. I don't fuck manly females, regardless of their gender identity. I'm all about femininity.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
So what's wrong with a feminine male?
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Because they're male, and I don't fuck males. Damn you dense.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
But say he has sex with a cis guy. Is that heterosexual or homosexual by your logic? You didn't answer my question.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
It's a heterosexual sex act, but probably done with a bisexual or homosexual normal guy.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
Well, at least you're consistent. I pretty strongly disagree, but there isn't a point in arguing in circles.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
Uh yeah. And what?
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
and that's bigoted. and you can fuck off cause no one wants you here.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
lol if you have a beard and a goatee and you try to tell me you're a fucking woman, you can get laughed out of the building. That's fucking absurd nigga
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
you're really uneducated, aren't ya
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
I'm just not a stupid fuck like you who goes along with whatever he's spoon fed because of his mommy issues.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
Are you sure about that, because from what it seems, you're unwilling to accept any argument aside from "trans people are mentally ill hurr durr look I'm so edgy".
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
Yeah, I'm pretty unwilling to accept biological men are actually women all along pulling a huge ruse.
1 Vakieh 2017-08-23
I don't even get why this argument is a thing. They're like .02% of the population. If someone had a thing where they absolutely, under no circumstances, would fuck somebody who was named Jessica whether or not she changed her name later, people would be like 'huh, that's kinda weird, but you have the right to your own sexual preferences so that's fair enough'.
And if somebody who was named Jessica had changed her name to Susan and when the guy found out broke up with her, people say 'that guy was weird, don't let it get you down'. But nobody would be calling the guy a bigot or want him doxxed and fired from his job over it.
Also please don't speak for me, /r/drama is an all inclusive space and I want him here. Because seriously, if you're suckin on a dick and calling yourself straight there is something very messed up with your worldview, and I can 110% guarantee you if you did a world survey on that question the result would hit 99% without struggling.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
I do agree though that if you don't want to fuck trans people, that it's a thing that I'm not gonna yell at ya for. Sexual preferences aren't you control and I don't expect you to fuck every trans person you know.
However, the argument comes from the "trans people aren't real and are just mentally ill gas them now" is just retarded, but some people actually believe it.
I'll continue to do so.
1 Vakieh 2017-08-23
Strawman gonna straw. Male and female is different to man and woman, and in a world where anything that isn't 100% straight is gay, a male man fucking a male woman is indeed gay. People can believe that without feeling the need to break out the zyklon.
1 elvenboyslut 2017-08-23
Hey, my sister knows him! They spoke at the same conference once and hung out for the day. He's a pretty cool guy.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-23
Huh, what the conference was about?
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-08-23
Homogenderal
1 ChateauJack 2017-08-23
It's easy, please pay attention :
produce X/Y gametes : male. produce X/X gametes : female.
The rest are malformations, because non sexualy viable, or mental disorders.
1 baaaaby 2017-08-23
if your gametes are diploid you probably arent human
1 ChateauJack 2017-08-23
The "/" is supposed to read like "or".
1 baaaaby 2017-08-23
so approx. 50% of the time the production of sperm could be either a male or female process and its impossible to tell if the production of eggs is male or female because only the y chromosome is definitive. also pretty crazy that types of infertility can be considered the loss of sex/gender
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-23
would that be gay tho
1 bleepis 2017-08-23
this just in: anyone who cant get pregnant for literally any reason is malformgender and has to use a third, secret bathroom
1 Alt3rnativeT3ntac1e5 2017-08-23
What does it take to be a woman then?
1 MaxMouseOCX 2017-08-23
That's your opinion, and you've a right to have it, and people have an equal right to disagree with you.
Ultimately, if I stitch ears to my head and a tail to my ass, it doesn't make me a cat no matter how hard I meow.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
SRS exists ya know
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
More like genital modification surgery. There's no way to change your sex with current technology.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
Yeah, that's kinda where it sex starts and ends. Also, people almost never get SRS without going on HRT, which also exists.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Nope, it really isn't. It's chromosomes, genitals, and expression of secondary sexual characteristics combined. Only if all three of those align is one properly male or female. Otherwise you're either surgically modified, or suffering from a chromosomal or hormonal disorder.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
Yeah, HRT also exists. The only thing that, at the moment, the only real thing that can't be is the chromosomes and, while I concede that you can't change those, aside from that, it's the same in pretty much every way. A lot of times, people won't even know they've had sex or something with a transitioned person.
Also, reminder that it's not only trans individuals to get SRS. People who are intersex get it (although they get it really close to when they are born, so before any secondary sexual characteristics or gender identity develops).
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Nah, call me back when you have a way to change the chromosomes, à la The Culture.
1 WikiTextBot 2017-08-23
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The Culture is a fictional interstellar Socialist utopian society created by the Scottish writer Iain M. Banks, which features in a number of his space opera novels and works of short fiction, collectively called the Culture series.
In the series, the Culture is composed of several inter-bred humanoid species, as well as artificially intelligent sentient machines, with intelligences ranging from human-equivalent drones, to hyper-intelligent Minds. The Culture's economy is maintained automatically by its non-sentient machines, with high-level work entrusted to the Minds' subroutines, which allows its humanoid and drone citizens to indulge their passions, romances, hobbies, or other activities, without servitude. Many of the series' protagonists are humanoids who choose to work for the Culture's elite diplomatic or espionage organisations, and interact with other civilisations whose citizens hold wildly different ideologies, morals, and technologies.
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1 justcool393 2017-08-23
You do realize that sex, as a combination, is assigned, correct?
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Sex is inherent.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
Well, someone has to make a determination based on the primary sex characteristics, i.e. in this case a penis, etc for guys and a vagina, etc for gals. Sex reassignment surgery changes these.
None of this is 100.% the same all the time, though. Human DNA isn't perfect, and stuff isn't always this way.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Someone has to make a determination but that doesn't change the objective fact of the matter. Someone could determine that a healthy lawn of green grass is in fact purple, but that doesn't change the reality that it is actually green.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
Except sex isn't really just one thing ya know.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Nah, it is. It's basis is sex chromosomes, and all stems from that. Any atypical expression of sex that deviates from the norm is a disorder, not another sex.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
So, how is it determined then at birth? Is there a armband that comes out a mother's vagina that says "IAmA dude"?
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
They look at the genitals. That is usually enough to get it right, except in extremely rare circumstances in which chromosomal or hormonal disorders make them get it wrong.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
Right, but when those genitals and primary sex characteristics change, then you'd have to remake that determination, because those are different now.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Genitals are the indicator, not the determinator.
1 transgender_vampire 2017-08-23
Tranny ass gash isn't a fucking vagina and any normal person who has seen 1 pussy in their whole lives can fucking tell. Go back to something awful you fucking troon.
1 boyoyoyoyong 2017-08-23
You do know tranny vag isn't real right, it's a wound they actively keep from closing because the body sees it for what it is a wound
1 ChateauJack 2017-08-23
Seriously though, without agenda posting this time.
Please show me the testimony of one person having sex with a tranny and not noticing the difference. Someone not virgin beforehand, please.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
/u/justcool393 literally can't. It's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard, there's a lot of things about sexual reassignment surgery but it definitely is not discreet.
1 princessCuck 2017-08-23
lol no
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
not an argument
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
It is boi
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
not an argument
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
Are you fucking high. There are actual trannies who say it's different. Sit down and shut up.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
you're missing my point, but I worded it poorly. doesn't really matter since I don't really care what you think
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
So you don't actually have a point? That's what I though, shush now
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
re-read it
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
just baited out you're a virgin bro. Any actual non /r/drama mod human being with sexual experience can tell the difference between a natural vagina and a artificially created wound that needs to be dilated every few hours.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
yeah, well people aren't usually poking around, inspecting vaginas to see if they're natural or created.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
Finally, we agree on one thing. Anyone who has sex with trannies is a fucking creep.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
no you idiot, you're the creep for inspecting people's vaginas. this is irrespective of if the person you're having sex with is trans.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
Holy shit, whose mind decides the only acceptable reason to be seeing a tranny vagina is if you're randomly pulling up a skirt rather than, you know, actually fucking them? That's obviously the only fucking way you're going to see one dude. Unless you've semi-confessed the only way you see vaginas is through blatant sexual harassment which I could accept, seeing as you are blatantly a virgin with women.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
well, you're the one whining about differences that, in the end, don't matter.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
The difference between an actual vagina, something you have never seen, and a wound caused by the surgical removal of a functioning penis that is only kept open because of repeated foreign attempts to stop the body healing it *matters a lot *
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
I mean, that's so obviously wrong. I don't talk about my individual experiences, but they're a lot more fun than what you're having.
Oh, apparently you're an expert on transgender genitals now.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
wanking off to yaoi and trap porn at 3am is a lot of fun, I guess, if you've never actually had any sex at all.
And you don't need to be an expert on it to know basic facts lmao. This like someone who never went to school accusing someone who knows his 12 times tables of being a mathematician.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
I never said that's the only thing. But seriously, get into edgeplay or something yo. Being asphyxiated while your get your submissive ass beaten while the blood drips out over your face is something that everyone should try once.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
lol aka you were fucked in the ass. You've never been with a woman who has less than one scrotum.
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
I was a few times, yes. Thanks for the astute observation.
Wrong again.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
Sorry, biological woman*
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1 TheJum 2017-08-23
Yeah, but SRS doesn't change an intersex person's sex either -- they are still intersex.
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1 nacmar 2017-08-23
So, would you insist on calling someone with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Disorder a man? I mean, first of all how would you know if they didn't tell you. Maybe the fact they don't have a penis is enough for you to call them what they generally are (women)? If that's the case how is a transgender personally functionally different if their brain developed in a similar way, just not the rest of their body?
In my experience, most people on your side of things don't know fuck all about biology past a high school level.
To be fair, I have encountered people who are stupid and shitty enough to call an intersex woman with XY chromosomes a man after they found out... but that's like bottom of the barrel stupid.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
I would call them a male with a hormonal disorder.
1 nacmar 2017-08-23
Right, jackass confirmed. I can move along now.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Did I hurt your feels?
1 nacmar 2017-08-23
I'm literally shaking right now.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-08-23
Lol, what the fuck man?
1 Egg-MacGuffin 2017-08-23
So you'll totally have sex with a big hairy man with a vagina, then, because that's totally straight, got it.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-23
Nah because that is one manly female. That's not how I do.
1 mtg_liebestod 2017-08-23
Are you implying it would be gay even if he identified as a woman? Are you implying that we should consider guys who have sex with big, hairy women as bi?
This point is common and cute but really not well thought-through since it implies a lot of stuff that people generally don't want to embrace.
1 grungebot5000 2017-08-23
Δ traps are gay now
1 wylderk 2017-08-23
Ooh, so close. Heterosexual is related to sex, not gender. A gay trans dude is a heterosexual female.
1 Zombies_hate_ninjas 2017-08-23
Not if she's cute.
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1 Zombies_hate_ninjas 2017-08-23
Yo totes I'd bang you stupid whether you had a little boy dick or not. Luv u bae
1 UnRayoDeSol 2017-08-23
Survey says?!
1 _Norm_ 2017-08-23
Please don't.
1 ima-kitty 2017-08-23
Ahhaha hahahaah
1 UnbiasedPashtun 2017-08-23
Anyone that disagrees with the trans agenda is a "Nazi" but those that promote the trans agenda are simply "Trap-lovers"? Typical SRD.
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-23
I think they are becoming self-aware.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
now where's the punchline?
1 AlreadyPorchNaked 2017-08-23
But she's not a real woman
1 Oh_hamburgers_ 2017-08-23
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
Literally the best combo imo.
1 Oh_hamburgers_ 2017-08-23
Eh I'd go with oil and water,
1 ThatDamnedImp 2017-08-23
Amphetamines and viagra
1 PineappleExpress98 2017-08-23
Name a more iconic duo
1 LSU_Coonass 2017-08-23
is this bait
1 aFatFinley 2017-08-23
We caught one
1 Steveisnotcaptain 2017-08-23
You are 100% correct everyone down voting you is just ignorant and bigots
1 Hydrium 2017-08-23
Tolerance means society has to put up with you, not buy into your delusions.
Dick = male
Vag = female
Dick turned into Vag = still male
Vag turned into dick = still female
1 ExtreemWeenie 2017-08-23
ever notice how the /r/drama irony veil always vanishes when trannies get made fun if?
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-08-23
>Not liking girlcock >2017
wew
1 Vakieh 2017-08-23
Boipucci evolves into bussy, girlcock evolves into gock? Genis sounds snappier.
1 UnbiasedPashtun 2017-08-23
What about fock (female + cock)?
1 cptAustria 2017-08-23
I Support Fock although Genis also has a certain ring to it
1 DistortedLines 2017-08-23
Yes
1 SethRichOrDieTryin 2017-08-23
I would be infuriated if a woman waited until after I finished sucking her cock to tell me she's transgender.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-23
Lul F
1 tomato_man123 2017-08-23
This person is experiencing unpleasant cognitive dissonance due to the following conflicting "logical" thoughts:
He's straight. Straight men like to have sex with women regardless of genitalia. Trans women are women regardless of genitalia. Therefore he likes having sex with trans women regardless of genitalia.
He doesn't want to have sex with dicks.
I put "logical" in quotes above because clearly, (2) is extremely illogical and makes no sense, and is therefore problematic and most likely rooted in disgusting transphobia. This poster needs to be reeducated ASAP.
1 HasAnArchmageFetish 2017-08-23
Spoken like a true futa fapper. Good job OP
1 justcool393 2017-08-23
leans into mic Wrong!
1 CucksLoveTrump 2017-08-23
TRAPS 👏🏿 ARE 👏🏿 GAY 👏🏿
1 Vakieh 2017-08-23
You better be a poc with emotes like that my friend.
1 Assy-McGee 2017-08-23
it's /u/cuckslovetrump 's bull using his phone right arter using his wife
1 CucksLoveTrump 2017-08-23
I'm half messican anyway
1 grep_var_log 2017-08-23
🌚 Get on my melanin levels.
1 NationalDenbt 2017-08-23
That comment triggered me pretty hard and made we want to find out who the blackest person in the world was and apparently it's this guy
1 Assy-McGee 2017-08-23
what the fuck is wrong with this sub?
is every infamous poster here a half shit-skin except for me?
My fellow honkeys need to step the fuck up for realz, we can't let our country gone 😤😤😤
1 pepperouchau 2017-08-23
The mayocide is finally working
1 CucksLoveTrump 2017-08-23
Well mexis are white when it's convenient
1 crefakis 2017-08-23
Honkies, Mr President.
1 NationalDenbt 2017-08-23
Fucking virtual blackface nazi
1 Notthehalf 2017-08-23
Traps are fucking gay,
You homophobic bastard
Suck it and swallow
1 All_of_Midas_Silver 2017-08-23
TRAPS
AREN'T
GAY
1 Notthehalf 2017-08-23
cock in your mouth/ass is defo gay you retard just get over it
1 All_of_Midas_Silver 2017-08-23
Not if its a feminine penis
1 Notthehalf 2017-08-23
Swallow that semen
lie if it helps you sleep babe
cocksucking is great
1 an_ordinary_canadian 2017-08-23
TRAPS
ARE
GAY
1 aj_thenoob 2017-08-23
Honestly how often does this happen that a guy is with a """girl""" for so long that he doesn't realize she's a dude? 80% of trans people still have original-sex features...
1 Zombies_hate_ninjas 2017-08-23
I want " It's not gay if she's cute" put on my gravestone.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
The amount of serious posting and defending of trannies in this thread is mindboggling but also really funny
1 Vakieh 2017-08-23
It's... not serious posting. You'll know when it's serious cause it'll contain a link to bussy.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-23
Someone linked a blogpost trying to actually prove fapping to traps isn't gay
1 Vakieh 2017-08-23
Yeah, but I can go make a blog, populate it with articles, and then link one of those arguments to prove my Reddit case, and all you're actually seeing is level 17 shitposting.
1 clarkeff 2017-08-23
nigga u gay
1 ATissu 2017-08-23
Posting a r/relationships thread without copy pasting the OP should be punishable by death tbh it literally makes the thread worthless after a few hours
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-23
Do it then, and then slowly Keep Yourself Safe.
Press F
1 ATissu 2017-08-23
I won't kill myself until Ive seen your bussy friendo
1 IAintThatGuy 2017-08-23
/u/therealdream88 did you steal your story from "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia", or are you retarded enough to date an IRL tranny?
1 keepittropical 2017-08-23
Even IASIP figured out that traps are in fact gay
1 IAintThatGuy 2017-08-23
Under Trump, the extension cord argument might reach the Supreme Court.
1 keepittropical 2017-08-23
Run it right up the ladder!
1 TyrellFingers 2017-08-23
What's regarded about dating a trans person? Just because you can't get over a little penis doesn't mean someone isn't worthwhile to date.
1 IAintThatGuy 2017-08-23
Sorry I meant dating a tranny and wanting to feel straight (which clearly the OP has an issue with). He could stop fucking it, or just admit he's gay. But nope, he'll try to convince himself he's still straight, and try to get over the cognitive dissonance.
1 TyrellFingers 2017-08-23
Well a trans person is the gender the identify with. It's understandable if you don't view them as potential sexual partners due to their biological sex, but mocking trans people and trying to shame them for identifying the way they do is just mean spirited and unnecessary.
1 IAintThatGuy 2017-08-23
Tell that to the dude on /r/relationships.
But what if it's fun?
1 TyrellFingers 2017-08-23
If you enjoy hurting people I guess you're just a bad person.
1 IAintThatGuy 2017-08-23
That's where we disagree.
1 Genderless_Nipples 2017-08-23
ITT
People who can't designate between female sex and female gender.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-23
Fucking the female sex is the one that isn't gay.
1 Genderless_Nipples 2017-08-23
I dunno. A straight dude fucking another dude just cause he has a vagina seems kinda gay.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-23
That's because dudes don't have vaginas.
1 steinardarri 2017-08-23
So I was looking at my kitchen sink and realized my fixtures could use some polishing (no masturbation jokes, please, this is a classy establishment). As I rubbed the long hard object, I was thinking about how color works. Everything has a color, right? Trees are brown and green, oranges are... er... orange, and cars are available in every color possible (and a few that shouldn't be - canary yellow, I'm trying not to look at you). Most faucets are silver, but silver's not really a color, it's just reflective, and as soon as it gets worn or dingy everything takes on a grayish tone. So is "silver" really a good general description when it's not only "the color of everything around" but also requires regular maintenance to maintain? Why not use the color they usually are to describe them?
I guess what I'm asking is: Are taps gray?
1 Unruly_tism 2017-08-23
Tru
1 grungebot5000 2017-08-23
op you arr gay
1 grungebot5000 2017-08-23
op this thread is a godsend tho i didnMt even need to click the link