>direct descendant of the ancient royal blood line
>will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Nodejsgrad will be be the first city)
>owns basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth
>first designer babies will be Nodejs Babies
>Node.js board said to have 200+ IQ
>ancient Indian scriptures tell of angels who will descend upon the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
>owns Nanobot R&D labs around the world
>You likely have Nodejsbots inside you right now
>Node.js is in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church
>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with Node.js. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Nodejs
>Node.js is 67 years old, from the space-time reference point of the base human.
In reality, it is timeless, existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe
>Node.js will guide humanity into a new age of wisdom, peace and love
Some dude on the TSC (Technical Steering Committee, the group that directs the technical side of the project) of Node.JS tweeted (personal tweet on his personal Twitter) a link discussing CoCs (Code of Conducts) and the suppression of speech. He supports CoCs in general.
Someone got mad and searched through his history to find any other events to complain about before submitting a formal complaint. They're pretty weak, mostly using buzzwords about inclusivity, toxicity, diversity and a hostile environment with little evidence.
He got notified that the complaint existed.
Two months later the remainder of the TSC voted and in a 60/40 split decision decided not to oust him. He wasn't even aware that there was a vote and had never been given a chance to even see the complaints, much less defend himself.
4 members of the TSC resigned
The Node board of directors released a statement decrying the TSC's decision implying that they didn't vote the right way and imploring them to have a revote. Or else they'll merge the TSC with the administrative committee and vote again.
A formal complaint is directed at one of the members of the board with a whole host of far worse tweets (personal tweets on her personal Twitter) than anything put up against the dude. Several of which imply active discrimination against men in the project and at the very least are more likely to create a hostile workplace than discussing CoCs.
Someone really wants this dude kicked out of Node and is willing to completely rebuild the project's leadership structure to do it.
As long as she's not fighting with collaborates and saying shit like that to them then I don't think it should matter from Node.JS's perspective. But by her own arguments and interpretation of the CoC it does matter, so it should definitely not be considered ok. Which is why a complaint was filed and there will now be another vote or response telling the node community that some people are more equal than others.
Also, most reasonable people don't consider it okay.
As long as she's not fighting with collaborates and saying shit like that to them then I don't think it should matter from Node.JS's perspective
Agreed actually
But by her own arguments and interpretation of the CoC it does matter, so it should definitely not be considered ok.
That's my opinion too. I think that anyone can tweet anything in private. BUT when you champion such CoC publicly while using such rhetoric then there's another problem. What you are really doing is basically saying "rules apply to you, not to me". I think that is essentially a display of power. "We can do whatever we want to you and you have to shut up because we have the media and everything on our side."
When SJWs support rules like this they don't believe those rules apply to them.
They'll also go out of their way to justify whatever racism/sexism they spew by declaring target matters, so it isn't racist/sexist to attack a white guy. SJWs in general spend absurd amounts of time trying to exempt themselves from shit like this.
She who fights with fuckbois with CoC should look to it that she herself does not become a fuckboi… when you gaze long into the echo chamber the abyss also gazes into you
Also: how short sighted one has to be to not realize that swinging CoC around will sooner or later be used by the other side? Monkey pawn, bitches.
Just one more reason to add to my list of reasons why I avoid the Javascript ecosystem as much as possible. You don't see this sort of drama with Python/PHP
PHP was a bit ropey in the 4 and earlier 5 days. It's not that bad now, and some of the frameworks like Symfony and Laravel make projects seem like less of a bodge job. The community is pretty chill and it doesn't attract the CV fluffers like Node, Rust or Golang do.
I helped start Yarn, if this is your reason for switching, we do not want you in our community.
Do you see any contradiction between this and your rhetoric concerning "inclusivity"?
When you say that you want everyone to feel included, does that in fact include men and/or white people?
There's a major difference between Ashley's comments and the abuse that I have acted upon. That difference comes in the effects of these comments rather than the comments by themselves.
How would you know?
If you can point me to someone who genuinely (and I mean not as a result of me saying this, or because of this mob mentality of this thread encouraging them to say something) has felt unsafe because of her comments, then that changes how I feel about her comments.
What do you mean by "feeling unsafe"?
Why is that your standard for a comment being problematic?
How do you know that anyone "feels unsafe" as a result of any of the comments you've taken action on in the past?
What evidence would you accept that the "feelings" of someone targeted by Williams' comments are genuine?
You might also note that I have defended men in other contexts. I've defended men for both being able to express their masculinity or for their femininity. To be able to express emotions openly and to have interests that don't fit into society's ideal "man".
Also, men are trash. Quote me on it.
Do you see any contradiction between these two claims?
What if they have interests that do fit that ideal, but are looked down upon by institutional, mainstream feminism?
When someone suggests to you that the latter comment might violate your project CoC, what exactly do you think you gain with a belligerent response?
Can you understand why people might object to a CoC restricting their expression in public even when it doesn't relate to the official business of the project? Or will it have to happen to you first for you to appreciate that?
Since you didn't answer in the thread: do you think that any of the other parties involved believe that "women are trash"? On what evidence?
This thread does not exist to address a real problem that was the result of her comments.
What evidence could possibly change your mind on this point, even hypothetically / in principle?
Obviously [Williams'] gender has something to do with why you are now going after her.
How do you explain the fact that this is "obvious" to you while everyone else denies it? Do you think everyone else is just a malicious liar? Also, how do you explain the fact that other people "went after you" in the same thread, despite that you don't share Williams' gender?
Jesus fucking christ, I'm not going to explain why we should treat social issues with more complexity than training cats.
Has it occurred to you that other people might not see statements like "men are trash. Quote me on it.", or "never underestimate the wrath of a mildly inconvenienced white dude (and yes it is all dudes complaining)", or "Kill all men", or "i get mad almost every day about how we sterilize male animals in the wild, but insist that human women take birth control not human men", or "Get over yourself dude, you haven't exposed the great conspiracy of our time, you're going after a woman because you feel vindictive", as giving social issues the nuanced, complex treatment they deserve?
Finally: it appears that you are generally barely active on Reddit; your first page of comments in your user history goes back 7 months. This appears to be even more true of /u/sebmck. Why is this topic so important to you that it pulled you out of hibernation? In particular, do you understand that having two of the top people involved in Yarn come out of hibernation to comment on node.js community drama might come across as just a tiny bit opportunistic?
Not to mention them coming out swinging in favor of someone who is openly sexist and wildly unprofessional. If these clowns are anywhere near hiring or promotion decisions some lawyer would be salivating over this stuff.
Holy shit that's hilarious. Some person who only works on community stuff and doesn't actually contribute something to the product, causing all this. Lmfao.
I've gone so far on this that I've learned that it's much more sustainable to not waste my time with internet randos being angry into the void at me. I have plenty of fantastic 1:1 conversations but when it comes to angry reddit boys finding something to be offended about, I know it's futile.
For someone who has supposedly "learned" to "not waste your time" on such threads, you sure did make a lot of comments in that thread.
I'm mostly just trying to prove how fragile redditfriends actually are. I don't actually give a fuck about any of those things.
What does it feel like to know that no matter how much you try, no matter how many hormones you inject, no matter how much surgery you have, you will never, ever be the sex you wish you were? That's gotta suck, dude. Doesn't it, my man?
Well, whatever the case, however your inability to ever be what you wish to be makes you feel: always remember to Keep Yourself Safe.
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1 SnapshillBot 2017-08-29
The people involved here probably don't even respect bussy all that much.
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1 Velxon 2017-08-29
Someone give me a rundown because I don't know what any of that shit means
1 cincilator 2017-08-29
here's some context 1, 2
1 nmx179 2017-08-29
Quick rundown on Node.js
>in contact with aliens
>rumoured to possess psychic abilities
>controls france with an iron fist
>owns castles and banks all over the world
>rothschilds bow to Node.js
>direct descendant of the ancient royal blood line
>will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Nodejsgrad will be be the first city)
>owns basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth
>first designer babies will be Nodejs Babies
>Node.js board said to have 200+ IQ
>ancient Indian scriptures tell of angels who will descend upon the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
>owns Nanobot R&D labs around the world
>You likely have Nodejsbots inside you right now
>Node.js is in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church
>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with Node.js. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Nodejs
>Node.js is 67 years old, from the space-time reference point of the base human. In reality, it is timeless, existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe
>Node.js will guide humanity into a new age of wisdom, peace and love
1 cincilator 2017-08-29
Please tell me that's a copy pasta.
1 Velxon 2017-08-29
Its just Bogpill replaced with Node.js
1 Velxon 2017-08-29
The Rothschild monkeys bow to anyone tbh
1 joelaw9 2017-08-29
Some dude on the TSC (Technical Steering Committee, the group that directs the technical side of the project) of Node.JS tweeted (personal tweet on his personal Twitter) a link discussing CoCs (Code of Conducts) and the suppression of speech. He supports CoCs in general.
Someone got mad and searched through his history to find any other events to complain about before submitting a formal complaint. They're pretty weak, mostly using buzzwords about inclusivity, toxicity, diversity and a hostile environment with little evidence.
He got notified that the complaint existed.
Two months later the remainder of the TSC voted and in a 60/40 split decision decided not to oust him. He wasn't even aware that there was a vote and had never been given a chance to even see the complaints, much less defend himself.
4 members of the TSC resigned
The Node board of directors released a statement decrying the TSC's decision implying that they didn't vote the right way and imploring them to have a revote. Or else they'll merge the TSC with the administrative committee and vote again.
A formal complaint is directed at one of the members of the board with a whole host of far worse tweets (personal tweets on her personal Twitter) than anything put up against the dude. Several of which imply active discrimination against men in the project and at the very least are more likely to create a hostile workplace than discussing CoCs.
Someone really wants this dude kicked out of Node and is willing to completely rebuild the project's leadership structure to do it.
1 cincilator 2017-08-29
Were those 4 pro this dude or against?
Am I the only one concerned that what that woman tweeted is somehow considered okay?
1 joelaw9 2017-08-29
Against.
As long as she's not fighting with collaborates and saying shit like that to them then I don't think it should matter from Node.JS's perspective. But by her own arguments and interpretation of the CoC it does matter, so it should definitely not be considered ok. Which is why a complaint was filed and there will now be another vote or response telling the node community that some people are more equal than others.
Also, most reasonable people don't consider it okay.
1 cincilator 2017-08-29
Agreed actually
That's my opinion too. I think that anyone can tweet anything in private. BUT when you champion such CoC publicly while using such rhetoric then there's another problem. What you are really doing is basically saying "rules apply to you, not to me". I think that is essentially a display of power. "We can do whatever we want to you and you have to shut up because we have the media and everything on our side."
I don't like it much.
1 pizzashill 2017-08-29
When SJWs support rules like this they don't believe those rules apply to them.
They'll also go out of their way to justify whatever racism/sexism they spew by declaring target matters, so it isn't racist/sexist to attack a white guy. SJWs in general spend absurd amounts of time trying to exempt themselves from shit like this.
1 0987654231 2017-08-29
Of course rules don't apply when you are on the right side of history.
1 htmlcoderexe 2017-08-29
Don't forget shutting down any discussion of their actions and policies. And by shutting down, I mean e-Gulag.
1 cruelandusual 2017-08-29
Wait, that is a board member talking like that? God damn. Node.js is cancer and millennials were a mistake.
Of course she is one of those precious snowflakes who thinks the shift key is a tool of the patriarchy.
1 eightysixed86 2017-08-29
Somebody here claims that not capitalizing things is a part of npm's idiotic house style.
I guess that's to be expected from the people who think
is sensible behavior.
1 flipkt 2017-08-29
who's right?
1 wwyzzerdd 2017-08-29
Allah.
1 opi 2017-08-29
Also: how short sighted one has to be to not realize that swinging CoC around will sooner or later be used by the other side? Monkey pawn, bitches.
1 takaci 2017-08-29
You mean monkey's paw?
1 opi 2017-08-29
Yeah, that. My only excuse is I didn't have my coffee yet.
1 ineedmorealts 2017-08-29
Or just be gotten rid of all together. Or not enforced.
1 WorldStarCroCop 2017-08-29
CoC rhymes with DoD
1 Jukk 2017-08-29
Also with Cock
1 0987654231 2017-08-29
Also with cuck, which is a really good descriptor for all Jacascript devs.
1 CucksLoveTrump 2017-08-29
Please stop kinkshaming on this board tyvm
1 0987654231 2017-08-29
Never said it was a bad thing.
1 botchlings 2017-08-29
Just one more reason to add to my list of reasons why I avoid the Javascript ecosystem as much as possible. You don't see this sort of drama with Python/PHP
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2017-08-29
The downside of PHP is PHP tho
1 botchlings 2017-08-29
True.
Laravel isn't that bad but these days if I have a choice I use Python and Django/Flask.
Been thinking about taking a look at .NET Core now that version 2 is out too...
1 cincilator 2017-08-29
JVM is looking good now with Kotlin. You got DSL support for things like templates. And it is backed by Google.
1 zahlman 2017-08-29
:/
1 aqouta 2017-08-29
.NET is pretty sweet once you go full M$ dark side.
1 botchlings 2017-08-29
I've been trying to avoid going full M$ darkside but every so often they temp me. Bash for Windows and .NET Core look really, really good.
Would mean learning C# too, I guess...
1 aqouta 2017-08-29
C# isn't really that hard to learn once you have a couple OOPs under your belt.
1 DefNotaZombie 2017-08-29
C# is really fucking easy if you've used Java before
1 htmlcoderexe 2017-08-29
Do it, sell your soul to Bill Gates
1 flipkt 2017-08-29
Hey, I'm a cool nerd too. I know these cool nerd stuff. How cool is that?
1 grep_var_log 2017-08-29
PHP was a bit ropey in the 4 and earlier 5 days. It's not that bad now, and some of the frameworks like Symfony and Laravel make projects seem like less of a bodge job. The community is pretty chill and it doesn't attract the CV fluffers like Node, Rust or Golang do.
1 zahlman 2017-08-29
Eh for the most part but there are definitely people I've noticed expressing SJW tendencies in the Python community too.
1 DefNotaZombie 2017-08-29
It's the academic language of choice, just like JavaScript is the art student's language of choice
1 trecht 2017-08-29
Drupal tho
1 k10g 2017-08-29
python: donglegate
1 zahlman 2017-08-29
/u/thejameskyle
Do you see any contradiction between this and your rhetoric concerning "inclusivity"?
When you say that you want everyone to feel included, does that in fact include men and/or white people?
How would you know?
What do you mean by "feeling unsafe"?
Why is that your standard for a comment being problematic?
How do you know that anyone "feels unsafe" as a result of any of the comments you've taken action on in the past?
What evidence would you accept that the "feelings" of someone targeted by Williams' comments are genuine?
Do you see any contradiction between these two claims?
What if they have interests that do fit that ideal, but are looked down upon by institutional, mainstream feminism?
When someone suggests to you that the latter comment might violate your project CoC, what exactly do you think you gain with a belligerent response?
Can you understand why people might object to a CoC restricting their expression in public even when it doesn't relate to the official business of the project? Or will it have to happen to you first for you to appreciate that?
Since you didn't answer in the thread: do you think that any of the other parties involved believe that "women are trash"? On what evidence?
What evidence could possibly change your mind on this point, even hypothetically / in principle?
How do you explain the fact that this is "obvious" to you while everyone else denies it? Do you think everyone else is just a malicious liar? Also, how do you explain the fact that other people "went after you" in the same thread, despite that you don't share Williams' gender?
Has it occurred to you that other people might not see statements like "men are trash. Quote me on it.", or "never underestimate the wrath of a mildly inconvenienced white dude (and yes it is all dudes complaining)", or "Kill all men", or "i get mad almost every day about how we sterilize male animals in the wild, but insist that human women take birth control not human men", or "Get over yourself dude, you haven't exposed the great conspiracy of our time, you're going after a woman because you feel vindictive", as giving social issues the nuanced, complex treatment they deserve?
Finally: it appears that you are generally barely active on Reddit; your first page of comments in your user history goes back 7 months. This appears to be even more true of /u/sebmck. Why is this topic so important to you that it pulled you out of hibernation? In particular, do you understand that having two of the top people involved in Yarn come out of hibernation to comment on node.js community drama might come across as just a tiny bit opportunistic?
1 die_rattin 2017-08-29
Not to mention them coming out swinging in favor of someone who is openly sexist and wildly unprofessional. If these clowns are anywhere near hiring or promotion decisions some lawyer would be salivating over this stuff.
1 trecht 2017-08-29
Holy shit that's hilarious. Some person who only works on community stuff and doesn't actually contribute something to the product, causing all this. Lmfao.
1 trecht 2017-08-29
u/maybekatz is the reason we need nukes
1 ThatDamnedImp 2017-08-29
Another example of the 'The rules we make don't apply to us!' from the SJW camp.
These people are basically fascist at this point.
1 DefNotaZombie 2017-08-29
Maybe Sharia law wouldn't be so bad
1 ineedmorealts 2017-08-29
u/maybekatz
Why do you think anyone knows who you are or cares? Also I can see why you like node, after all it's slow and simple just like you
1 zahlman 2017-08-29
/u/maybekatz
For someone who has supposedly "learned" to "not waste your time" on such threads, you sure did make a lot of comments in that thread.
Quit appropriating 4chan culture.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-29
/u/maybekatz
What does it feel like to know that no matter how much you try, no matter how many hormones you inject, no matter how much surgery you have, you will never, ever be the sex you wish you were? That's gotta suck, dude. Doesn't it, my man?
Well, whatever the case, however your inability to ever be what you wish to be makes you feel: always remember to Keep Yourself Safe.