You sound oddly butthurt about something that is sure to cause a lot of drama and piss a lot of people off. I think you may be in the wrong subreddit friend.
Then he shouldn't be seriousposting with no indication that that other dude was butthurt. He might as well be a newfag. Seems merely making fun of liberals is enough to make him pissed off.
You'll find that most of the mods here love seriousposting. I think it's a prerequisite to joining the team. That and sperging out every few weeks to make some tasty mod drama to post on SRD.
That said, I was most definitely buttmad and am furiously typing right now with the largest rage erection you will ever see.
I'm always amused by people that look at the brief list of subreddits I mod and form some opinion of my politics. Either I'm an alt-right villain because I moderate the hive of reactionaries known as /r/drama or I'm an antifa leftist because I moderate /r/tumblr (which is a humor subreddit btw and bans anything political). It's even better when it's some autistic incel that discovered /r/drama a month ago when someone pinged him in the comment section because he was sperging out in /r/incels. You know you can just comment here on your main, right? There's no need to defend yourself on an alt! All are welcome.
I didn't discover this sub a month ago I make new accounts. But really dude, did that guy making fun of pointless virtue signalling trigger you so hard that you had to tell him he's on the wrong sub for making fun of mr progressive comic artist?
This is bound to cause massive amounts of butthurt and (fingers crossed) end up as one of the most surreal court cases in the modern era. Anyone complaining about up virtue signalling or whining about how it's going to be ineffective is probably just a boring agenda poster.
hey buddy, i got no idea how reddit works, then in my inbox i see some retard faggot with a stupid name nazi cum farts? what the fuck is that about? saying shit about me. I had no idea how reddit works, so I did a bit of reading and now i know why i cant fucking write any comments anyway cause my karma (or whatever the fuck its called) is too low. so that explains why I got to wait 10 minutes between each comment.
so if you guys could you know reverse the damage it would be cool and upvote my comments, it would be great LOL! cause Im guessing your all at home in your little apartments doing nothing on your smart phones.
im actually out in namba tonite and i will be as usual up to my neck in pussy unlike you bunch of homos.
Ironically before 20 years ago the Streisand effect meant getting a hugely successful career even though you have no talent because you are part of the same religion as the rest of the nobility that control most industries across the world
Streisand would only apply if Pepe the frog were roads of the obscure now, and the lawsuit made it go public nationwide. But everyone knows Pepe the frog now anyway, so the lawsuit has no effect to raise the profile.
Hiro cares about money even more than moot. The first sign this hurts bottomlines and he will cave inand it's not like 4chan rolls in money. Moot was at least somewhat ideological.
Hiro is also famous for being sued multiple times, and successfully ignoring any attempt to reclaim the money he owes or stop what he was doing to piss people off.
He can only do that for so long in the states until the courts just straight up take the 4chan domain away from him. If he does get DMCA and starts ignoring it is not like courts are gonna twiddle their thumbs and do nothing.
Hiro isn't a dumbass like the owners of Stormfront though, if he felt the domain was under threat he could easily transfer it to a registar outside the US.
The US seizes foreign-registered .com/.org/.net domains all the time.
I didn't believe it but it turns out, hilariously, to be true that this asshole Nishimura just ignores Japanese court judgments. Typical of that country's inefficiency. He should try it in America, he'll come away feeling like he got run over by a truck.
And that's even assuming that this dumb copyright trolling is held up in court in the first place, which I doubt it will since next to nobody is making a profit from it.
I love when armchair intellectual property lawyers completely misunderstand the most basic principles of copyright law, kek.
You don't need to be an armchair lawyer to see how obviously memes are covered under fair use laws. So long as someone doesn't do something stupid (like publish a book with Pepe on the cover), then Matt can't do jack shit except troll the courts.
I am going to assume you did not actually read that article. Posting retarded memes on the internet is not a form of valid literary criticism, artistic parody, or for education or news-reporting purposes. And before you ask, suck my dick, I am actually an IRL lawyer.
If you file a claim they will take it down automatically. They have to otherwise they are personally liable.
It will for sure get reposed immediately though. I wonder if you could claim that they are not really taking it down according to DMCA guidelines because they allow it to be immediately reuploaded, by for example not checking hash values.
I think even Furie understands that a) 4chan will meme him even worse if he actually sued them, and b) the site makes no money anyways to be worth suing.
But he's not attempting to hide it, there's no Streisand effect here. His objective is stopping autistic manchildren from /pol/ from monetizing his creation, that's all.
I'm with you man, this thread is hilarious. A bunch of dumbass pepe memesters convinced they're revolutionary bad-boys getting away with murder because Furie isn't going to come and seize their tendies. No, dumbass, he's just going to make examples of the big boys. He doesn't GAF about some random Stormfronter.
They might actually, remember "scumbag stacy" , that was successfully kicked off most image hosting sites, reddit,4chan. All because copyright owners started taking people to court.
It's not impossible but it is harder to post and spread around. Also i mean the original scumbag stacy, the blonde girl taking a sexy picture. Another version has popped up but that is something else entirely.
People will still post those images and hosting sites have some protections regarding that but generally when they find out that a banned image was posted they remove it when they realize it.
Deff won't work on 4chaj but it already got Baked Alaskas book pulled from Amazon. And that kids book thing. Basically anyone using pepe in a context that could be seen as copyright infringement
It's fun watching all these people who would normally be against using lolsuits to enforce strict copyrights now defending it because it fights their boogeyman.
Furie's lawyers are prepared to file lawsuits and fight to free Pepe from the clutches of the alt-right in a court of law.
Has this retard never heard of the Streisand effect before?
All his virtue signaling is just going to backfire on him.
Has this retard never heard of the Streisand effect before?
I'm not sure that could really apply here. It's already a popular meme, actively going after it isn't gonna make more people start using it. If anything I would expect fairly liberal companies like Twitter to start cracking down on pepe posting after this.
Sure, but where? I could definitely see Twitter handing out bans for pepeposting. Reddit and 4chan probably won't do anything about it but pepe is already posted all over the place here and there anyways.
Honestly the left could "take him back" by simply not caring. Half the reason channers started shooping him into controversial stuff was to get normie celebrities to stop using the meme, it's not like it's actually a white nationalist symbol any more than 👌 is.
Are you talking about the guy who put together an image of all the Jewish people that work at CNN and purposefully shared it around to a bunch of white nationalist sites advocating for violence against them?
That guy? Because they went after him for that. The meme thing caught their attention and then they found out all the other stuff he'd been doing and then he broke down sobbing because they were going to reveal the fact that he's a white supremacist to everyone.
Forcing Reddit to remove all frogs would be fucking hilarious. I'm all for this lawsuit and hope he wins simply for the admin post explaining the new rules. 🔥🐸🔥🐸🔥
You cannot selectively enforce the DMCA like that against a legal entity - if reddit as a whole is granted a license to use the image (or their unlicensed usage is not enforced), you can't demand that just the_donald stops using it without demanding it stops across all reddit.
Lol alt-right Trumpsters see anyone who doesn't like being associated with Neo-Nazis and general scumbags --> VIRTUE SIGNALER, FUCK THIS GUY! LETS FUCK HIM UP!
But it's actually a boogeyman right and he has nothing to be concerned about and he should let his work be turned into your hate symbol?
Jesus Christ dude, let it go. You "created" this meme years ago and didn't give a shit about it until people whose politics you didn't agree with started to like it. Now you suddenly care? GTFO.
While I'm not lawyer I'm pretty sure this court case falls apart when the defense submits evidence of the number of times Pepe was used without any sort of copyright claim by it's owner. I can't imagine a judge not questioning the fact that the creator is just now caring about copyright claims.
Beyond that, has Pepe even been copyrighted?
I wonder how much of his newly found desire to claim his creation is driven my greed vs. his desire to stop those terrible racists?
You "created" this meme years ago and didn't give a shit about it until people whose politics you didn't agree with started to like it.
Is that true at all though? Seems more like he didn't give a shit about it until people started making money off of his work and selling merchandise with pepe on it. What the fuck was he supposed to do about it before? Lawyers are expensive and he'd be spending a fortune to make them take it all down with little hope of ever getting any money out of it. Right now he has free legal representation and he's looking at people who actually have money. Before it was just autistics on the internet making memes. Now it's autistics on the internet selling shitty chinese merchandise and using it for fundraising campaigns. Kind of a massive difference.
Not really. The money for the lawyers has to be coming from somewhere plus he suddenly starts to care about a meme character he "created" after all this time.
My guess is someone knocked on his door and offered him a lot of money to suddenly care.
I'm pretty sure this court case falls apart when the defense submits evidence of the number of times Pepe was used without any sort of copyright claim by it's owner. I can't imagine a judge not questioning the fact that the creator is just now caring about copyright claims.
That's not how copyright works, you don't erode your rights by non enforcement.
If that were true think how much stuff would be in public domain now just through shear usage (looking at anything with any video game character ever and the endless stream of 'fan art' of said character)
A generic trademark, also known as a genericized trademark or proprietary eponym, is a trademark or brand name that, due to its popularity and/or significance, has become the generic name for, or synonymous with, a general class of product or service, usually against the intentions of the trademark's holder.
A trademark is said to become genericized when it begins as a distinctive product identifier but changes in meaning to become generic. This typically happens when the products or services with which the trademark is associated have acquired substantial market dominance or mind share, such that the primary meaning of the genericized trademark becomes the product or service itself rather than an indication of source for the product or service. A trademark thus popularized has its legal protection at risk in some countries such as the United States and United Kingdom, as its intellectual property rights in the trademark may be lost and competitors enabled to use the genericized trademark to describe their similar products, unless the owner of an affected trademark works sufficiently to correct and prevent such broad use.
Don't know how you can guarantee that or who would bother to pay him or what money they would pay him with. The lawyers can't pay him, that's a violation of professional ethics and they are going to risk their licenses over some suit that is barely even registering in the news.
Guess this fits with the typical Trumpster narrative where all of their opponents draw paychecks from the giant Soros slush fund.
I was thinking more along the lines of other left-leaning special interest groups, but Soros is a possibility. Someone's gotta pay the lawyers and I doubt it's the dude who created Pepe.
Given that the frog most people call "pepe" doesn't particularly resemble Matt Furie's work other than being an anthropomorphic green frog, couldn't they just start calling him, I don't know... "furie" and continue on as before?
I get how he can file DMCAs and copyright infringement for people's use of his IP in merchandise. What fantasy world does he live in where he thinks he can file it against /r/the_donald to make them stop fucking posting it? Seems pretty clear some are frivolous suit designed to scare.
Still the creator's intellectual property. You can draw your own version of mickey mouse but Disney will still sue the shirt right off your back if you are trying to make money off of it.
So if he specifically wants it enforced against the alt right, he's gonna have to define it. He's gonna be pretty ass blasted when he finds out there are only like 1000 actual alt right users on the site.
Which site? The article lists the specific websites and specific misuses of pepe. Apparently pepe pops up on The Donald asking for subscriptions. I know they inflate their numbers but it's gotta be a lot of people?
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 92%. (I'm a bot)
Furie originally created Pepe as a non-political character for his Boy's Club comic, but Pepe later became an internet meme and during the 2016 US presidential election the alt-right movement appropriated the frog in various grotesque and hateful memes.
Apple has a blanket ban against Pepe the frog that it has enforced against multiple app creators.
"Mike Cernovich had a number of different uses of Pepe but most notably had this video he was publicising through his Facebook and YouTube that was a 3D version of Pepe dancing with Hillary Clinton reading aloud sections of her new book," Tompros said.
Furie didn't give a shit about this until now, even when it was co-opted by the alt right a few years ago. I'm guessing the ADL is behind this, along with some money because he's not exactly flush with cash.
Anyway I read that the trademark ended in 2016 and wasn't renewd... is this true? If yes this drama is going to either became glorious or to be fucking nothing.
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1 Basically_Trash 2017-09-18
This'll show em! RACISM IS NOW OFFICIALLY ENDED
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
You sound oddly butthurt about something that is sure to cause a lot of drama and piss a lot of people off. I think you may be in the wrong subreddit friend.
1 Basically_Trash 2017-09-18
My bussy is in a constant state of devastation
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
I'd dare say you're anally agonized.
1 Bussypostin 2017-09-18
I belive the term is "shitter shoa'd"
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
derriere devastated?
1 GeauxHouston22 2017-09-18
bumboozled
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
fanny flustered
1 Basically_Trash 2017-09-18
booty blasted?
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
heinie hurt
1 PoorLilMarco 2017-09-18
Anally annihilated?
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
rump rekt
1 angel_bucks 2017-09-18
ass annihilated
1 autisticperson123 2017-09-18
You must be new here
1 supergauntlet 2017-09-18
why do we allow newfriends in here again?
1 WarSanchez 2017-09-18
Hey, we were all newfriends at one point in time.
We were not all r/incel level retarded tho...
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1 autisticperson123 2017-09-18
Then he shouldn't be seriousposting with no indication that that other dude was butthurt. He might as well be a newfag. Seems merely making fun of liberals is enough to make him pissed off.
1 Basically_Trash 2017-09-18
You'll find that most of the mods here love seriousposting. I think it's a prerequisite to joining the team. That and sperging out every few weeks to make some tasty mod drama to post on SRD.
That said, I was most definitely buttmad and am furiously typing right now with the largest rage erection you will ever see.
1 wwyzzerdd 2017-09-18
You ain't got to lie, Craig. You ain't got to lie!
1 GeauxHouston22 2017-09-18
here's a tip for ya: if you wanna be on 4chan then when you load up your computer, type in, "4chan.com" instead of, "reddit.com" in the web browser
1 autisticperson123 2017-09-18
It's 4chan.org.
1 supergauntlet 2017-09-18
I think eight chan dot co or whatever those pedo fucks are using these days is more your speed to be honest with you family
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2017-09-18
4chan.bc.gov.ca
1 justcool393 2017-09-18
You must be new here
1 autisticperson123 2017-09-18
Seriousposting has been a recurring complaint here
1 ay_what_up 2017-09-18
if you think anyone gives a fuck about complaints here then you're definitely new
1 froibo 2017-09-18
You must be new here.
1 Karma-Means-Nothing 2017-09-18
Being THIS new.
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
He came over when someone linked one of his autistic /r/incels rants.
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
I'm always amused by people that look at the brief list of subreddits I mod and form some opinion of my politics. Either I'm an alt-right villain because I moderate the hive of reactionaries known as /r/drama or I'm an antifa leftist because I moderate /r/tumblr (which is a humor subreddit btw and bans anything political). It's even better when it's some autistic incel that discovered /r/drama a month ago when someone pinged him in the comment section because he was sperging out in /r/incels. You know you can just comment here on your main, right? There's no need to defend yourself on an alt! All are welcome.
1 autisticperson123 2017-09-18
I didn't discover this sub a month ago I make new accounts. But really dude, did that guy making fun of pointless virtue signalling trigger you so hard that you had to tell him he's on the wrong sub for making fun of mr progressive comic artist?
1 justcool393 2017-09-18
What's your other accounts then?
1 autisticperson123 2017-09-18
You don't ask a shitposter about their other accounts
1 justcool393 2017-09-18
Yes I do, actually. Also, not an answer.
1 Yiin 2017-09-18
Hey, that is highly personal information. Also, is embarrassing in the event they don't actually have one.
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1 TedBundyAMA 2017-09-18
my main is u/justcool393 but i act like a total retard on that one so don't tell anyone k
1 ay_what_up 2017-09-18
you're literally an incel
1 SDIHTD 2017-09-18
I figured it out without even looking. Once you shit all over the tone in here with your seriousposting I figured out your angle.
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
This is bound to cause massive amounts of butthurt and (fingers crossed) end up as one of the most surreal court cases in the modern era. Anyone complaining about up virtue signalling or whining about how it's going to be ineffective is probably just a boring agenda poster.
1 the_popcorn_pisser 2017-09-18
Ok, I was with you until this comment. Holy shit who gives a fuck.
> inb4 (You)
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
hey buddy, i got no idea how reddit works, then in my inbox i see some retard faggot with a stupid name nazi cum farts? what the fuck is that about? saying shit about me. I had no idea how reddit works, so I did a bit of reading and now i know why i cant fucking write any comments anyway cause my karma (or whatever the fuck its called) is too low. so that explains why I got to wait 10 minutes between each comment. so if you guys could you know reverse the damage it would be cool and upvote my comments, it would be great LOL! cause Im guessing your all at home in your little apartments doing nothing on your smart phones. im actually out in namba tonite and i will be as usual up to my neck in pussy unlike you bunch of homos.
1 Sarge_Ward 2017-09-18
wow this
1 harrah8083 2017-09-18
thisssss ^ ^ ^
1 ay_what_up 2017-09-18
Lmfao
1 buttermyself 2017-09-18
Great come back pussy neck.
1 TedBundyAMA 2017-09-18
haha get a load of this fag
1 WalterMatthau 2017-09-18
who the fuck are you?
1 SDIHTD 2017-09-18
Drop your mops and grab your cocks, there's gonna be a dick measuring contest here folks!
1 MajorPrick 2017-09-18
translated for /r/drama
Stretch your bussy like an actual pussy, there's gonna be a dilation contest here folks!
1 Basically_Trash 2017-09-18
Petition for official /r/drama meetup/bussy measuring contest. Biggest bussy gets to be new head mod?
1 autisticperson123 2017-09-18
Do I have to "be somebody" in order to post here? God /r/drama users are the biggest fucking lolcows. 40k subs is making this place into a second SRD.
1 MajorPrick 2017-09-18
You must be new here
1 SithisTheDreadFather 2017-09-18
Says the guy who submits self posts to Incels.
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1 Strich-9 2017-09-18
actually this is the right reddit if you want to be a whining right winger with no sense of humour about yourself
1 Notthehalf 2017-09-18
We won, now we can say the hard R forever.
(honestly how the fuck is taking the piss out of this retardation serious posting?)
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1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
That domain is apparently site-wide soft banned.
1 Sarge_Ward 2017-09-18
Your face is site-wide soft banned. gotem
1 celocanth13 2017-09-18
Makes sense tbh, its all Chinese crap
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
Cheap waifu pillows though.
1 fsdgfhk 2017-09-18
no.
1 glmox 2017-09-18
it's aliexpress, they eat copyright infringement notices for breakfast
1 KennethPowersMFCEO 2017-09-18
FeelsBadMan
1 aliceunknown 2017-09-18
Now I have a mental image of a cartoon frog locked in a cage and being tortured with sex toys.
1 Ennui2778 2017-09-18
Could you be more specific? I would like to hear some details.
1 SpotNL 2017-09-18
They put a straw in his ass and then blow it.
1 aliceunknown 2017-09-18
^ THIS.
1 Joshuastyle 2017-09-18
Please write a book I like how your mind works.
1 celocanth13 2017-09-18
draw me a picture
1 fingerpaintswithpoop 2017-09-18
something something LE RELEVANT FLAIR
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-18
ree[[le]vant] flair
1 GuillotinesNOW 2017-09-18
Video: https://fapality.com/1415/
1 free_farts 2017-09-18
I'm not click in that.
1 Qtoy 2017-09-18
Saving you the click. The video's title is "Eating fruit loops out of Roxy Raye's gaping booty hole"
I'll let you make a determination from there.
1 Evolution-Happens 2017-09-18
Where's /r/AWildSketchAppeared when you need him?
1 ballrot 2017-09-18
/u/awildsketchappeared
1 Ikea_Man 2017-09-18
nah Reddit found out he was a creepy stalker so he rage quit Reddit
1 453265436354654 2017-09-18
Hopefully there's some good crem
1 CultOfCuck 2017-09-18
Steven King, is that you?
1 wolfbetter 2017-09-18
Which is pretty mild considering many of the Pepe's memes.
1 aliceunknown 2017-09-18
That poor frog. ;_;
1 BeforeTheRobots 2017-09-18
Surely 4chan will respect this DMCA lawsuit, and this will in no way blow up in Matt Furie's face.
1 MajorPrick 2017-09-18
I get the feeling that in a few years, people will be asking who this Streisand lady is and what she has to so with the Furie effect.
1 Neon_needles 2017-09-18
I imagine the "I get non-stop death threats from the internet" sob article will be blasted soon.
1 MajorPrick 2017-09-18
That's what I'm hoping for. Specifically, the second wave of meme assaults that put him at the #1 image result for frog fag or something.
Rinse & repeat a few times and he'll be in rehab.
1 OniTan 2017-09-18
Yeah, a bunch of incel NEETs REEEEEEEEEEEEING on the internet and mumbling threats over the phone is so scary.
1 SpotNL 2017-09-18
Laugh it off. Think it is not a big deal. But then you open the door and you see a pizza deliverer with 20 pizzas. Let's see you laugh then.
1 Nanaki__ 2017-09-18
No toner in the fax machine
:feelsbadman
1 ahbslldud 2017-09-18
tfw u dont have 20 pizzas RIGHT NOW
1 captainpriapism 2017-09-18
lol no matter how many times it happens and is proven a hoax some dumbasses end up believing it
omg death and rape threats
1 FearlessFlash 2017-09-18
Ironically before 20 years ago the Streisand effect meant getting a hugely successful career even though you have no talent because you are part of the same religion as the rest of the nobility that control most industries across the world
1 ErictheRedding 2017-09-18
No, that was just at stormfront.
1 FearlessFlash 2017-09-18
Come on, you really think Babs is a good singer? you can throw a rock at any arts school in the last 50 years and hit a better singer
1 ErictheRedding 2017-09-18
Yeah, I really do.
1 uniqueguy263 2017-09-18
People thought she was hot. Most popstars aren't good singers duh
1 FearlessFlash 2017-09-18
Do you really think that? Come on
1 uniqueguy263 2017-09-18
I barely know who she is besides a namesake for an effect. That's prob true tho
1 ArchangelleRomney 2017-09-18
She wasn't half bad looking in her prime, I mean she aged like a carton of milk, but so do lots of people.
1 NoahHaders 2017-09-18
Dat nose doh
1 TedBundyAMA 2017-09-18
she looks like a vanilla oblivion character with a HD hair models mod
1 FearlessFlash 2017-09-18
come on.
1 imstartingtogetangry 2017-09-18
They did?
1 Zombies_hate_ninjas 2017-09-18
That fucking snoze
1 Michelanvalo 2017-09-18
*schnoz
1 an_experimenter 2017-09-18
Looks like you russled a lot of Jews with your observation
1 NoahHaders 2017-09-18
Streisand would only apply if Pepe the frog were roads of the obscure now, and the lawsuit made it go public nationwide. But everyone knows Pepe the frog now anyway, so the lawsuit has no effect to raise the profile.
1 timsboss 2017-09-18
4chan respects DMCA takedowns, we saw that in the aftermath of the fappening.
1 Assy-McGee 2017-09-18
moot cared, hiroshimoot not so much
1 rewind45 2017-09-18
Hiro cares about money even more than moot. The first sign this hurts bottomlines and he will cave inand it's not like 4chan rolls in money. Moot was at least somewhat ideological.
1 Kyoraki 2017-09-18
Hiro is also famous for being sued multiple times, and successfully ignoring any attempt to reclaim the money he owes or stop what he was doing to piss people off.
1 rewind45 2017-09-18
He can only do that for so long in the states until the courts just straight up take the 4chan domain away from him. If he does get DMCA and starts ignoring it is not like courts are gonna twiddle their thumbs and do nothing.
1 Kyoraki 2017-09-18
Hiro isn't a dumbass like the owners of Stormfront though, if he felt the domain was under threat he could easily transfer it to a registar outside the US.
1 EvanHarper 2017-09-18
The US seizes foreign-registered .com/.org/.net domains all the time.
I didn't believe it but it turns out, hilariously, to be true that this asshole Nishimura just ignores Japanese court judgments. Typical of that country's inefficiency. He should try it in America, he'll come away feeling like he got run over by a truck.
1 ComedicSans 2017-09-18
I love when armchair intellectual property lawyers completely misunderstand the most basic principles of copyright law, kek.
1 Kyoraki 2017-09-18
You don't need to be an armchair lawyer to see how obviously memes are covered under fair use laws. So long as someone doesn't do something stupid (like publish a book with Pepe on the cover), then Matt can't do jack shit except troll the courts.
1 ComedicSans 2017-09-18
I am going to assume you did not actually read that article. Posting retarded memes on the internet is not a form of valid literary criticism, artistic parody, or for education or news-reporting purposes. And before you ask, suck my dick, I am actually an IRL lawyer.
1 Kyoraki 2017-09-18
Memes are a form of parody and transformative art. They're protected by fair use law.
And my dad works for Nintendo. And though I'm flattered, ain't nobody gonna touch that thing unless they're paid to.
1 ComedicSans 2017-09-18
Hahahahahaha. I cannot think of a more archetypal derivative work than a fucking meme.
1 Roxor99 2017-09-18
If you file a claim they will take it down automatically. They have to otherwise they are personally liable.
It will for sure get reposed immediately though. I wonder if you could claim that they are not really taking it down according to DMCA guidelines because they allow it to be immediately reuploaded, by for example not checking hash values.
1 Vakieh 2017-09-18
That's not how DMCA works, that's just the lazy arsecovering reaction some people have. The law allows for the ability to appeal.
1 Roxor99 2017-09-18
It allows for it but it doesn't require it.
1 EvanHarper 2017-09-18
The law is written so that the "lazy arsecovering" reaction is obligatory in practice for any website that ever hopes to be profitable.
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-18
he ain't suin 4chan though, just real people
1 glmox 2017-09-18
>implying baked alaska is a real person
1 SupaDupaFlyAccount 2017-09-18
I heard he maced himself and blamed it on antifas protesters just to get youtube viewers.
1 Vikernes-chan 2017-09-18
You mean Baked "Aryan Race, Maced Face" Alaska?
1 -absolutego- 2017-09-18
I think even Furie understands that a) 4chan will meme him even worse if he actually sued them, and b) the site makes no money anyways to be worth suing.
1 BigDaddy_Delta 2017-09-18
And he us an idiot for thinking he can with n against the internet hive mind
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-18
he doesn't have to win against "the internet hive mind" you retard. just the ones who make money
1 BigDaddy_Delta 2017-09-18
Streisand effect
1 ComedicSans 2017-09-18
You think he gives a fuck about you? There is a reason he is picking on the people that the fuckwit morons like you follow. Kek.
1 Sjarmtrollet 2017-09-18
But he's not attempting to hide it, there's no Streisand effect here. His objective is stopping autistic manchildren from /pol/ from monetizing his creation, that's all.
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-18
tbh though i think at least smugpepe will be protected by parody law
but he has a real chance of getting his feelsgood and sadpepe money
1 Sjarmtrollet 2017-09-18
I'm just here salivating over the impotent rage he would unleash if this actually goes through
1 EvanHarper 2017-09-18
I'm with you man, this thread is hilarious. A bunch of dumbass pepe memesters convinced they're revolutionary bad-boys getting away with murder because Furie isn't going to come and seize their tendies. No, dumbass, he's just going to make examples of the big boys. He doesn't GAF about some random Stormfronter.
1 TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-09-18
Keep yourself safe
1 rewind45 2017-09-18
They might actually, remember "scumbag stacy" , that was successfully kicked off most image hosting sites, reddit,4chan. All because copyright owners started taking people to court.
1 BeforeTheRobots 2017-09-18
I literally saw a scumbag stacy meme the other day
1 rewind45 2017-09-18
It's not impossible but it is harder to post and spread around. Also i mean the original scumbag stacy, the blonde girl taking a sexy picture. Another version has popped up but that is something else entirely.
1 carthoris26 2017-09-18
The one in the pink tank top as opposed to the one dressed like Scumbag Steve?
1 rewind45 2017-09-18
Yeah the pink tank top one. Its banned on a bunch of websites due to lawsuits.
1 NoahHaders 2017-09-18
The pink one is banned, or the pink one replaces the one that is banned?
1 rewind45 2017-09-18
The pink one is OG stacy, that one is banned.
1 NoahHaders 2017-09-18
Pretty hot tho
1 better_bot 2017-09-18
Didn't your mother warn you about hanging out with such a rough crowd?
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-09-18
People will still post those images and hosting sites have some protections regarding that but generally when they find out that a banned image was posted they remove it when they realize it.
1 Canvasch 2017-09-18
Deff won't work on 4chaj but it already got Baked Alaskas book pulled from Amazon. And that kids book thing. Basically anyone using pepe in a context that could be seen as copyright infringement
1 better_bot 2017-09-18
No, but the "law and order" crowd will surely listen.
1 SperglockHolmes 2017-09-18
It's fun watching all these people who would normally be against using lolsuits to enforce strict copyrights now defending it because it fights their boogeyman.
Has this retard never heard of the Streisand effect before?
All his virtue signaling is just going to backfire on him.
1 Basically_Trash 2017-09-18
I'm not sure that could really apply here. It's already a popular meme, actively going after it isn't gonna make more people start using it. If anything I would expect fairly liberal companies like Twitter to start cracking down on pepe posting after this.
1 totalarkwar 2017-09-18
You don't understand humans if you don't think this will lead to more Pepe's being posted.
1 Basically_Trash 2017-09-18
Sure, but where? I could definitely see Twitter handing out bans for pepeposting. Reddit and 4chan probably won't do anything about it but pepe is already posted all over the place here and there anyways.
1 nanonan 2017-09-18
You think we've reached peak Pepe? Not a chance in hell, the only way we'll see less Pepe is if the left embraced him.
1 Basically_Trash 2017-09-18
I'd rather see the left try to "take him back" instead of just ban him. It's not like he was always a mascot for the alt-right.
1 -absolutego- 2017-09-18
Honestly the left could "take him back" by simply not caring. Half the reason channers started shooping him into controversial stuff was to get normie celebrities to stop using the meme, it's not like it's actually a white nationalist symbol any more than 👌 is.
1 Yiin 2017-09-18
>channers
1 SperglockHolmes 2017-09-18
That is the only way to truly kill a meme.
1 nmx179 2017-09-18
Hillary Clinton needs to start tweeting pee pee poo poo memes.
1 glmox 2017-09-18
doesnt seem any more autistic than how /pol/ uses him tbh
1 nanonan 2017-09-18
Well that's my point. Imagine all Pepes were similar quality, he'd be dead in a week.
1 SpotNL 2017-09-18
For a while until the masses find a new outrage. Then it will fade into obscurity.
1 SperglockHolmes 2017-09-18
Did you forget how the entire internet joined forces to shit on CNN because they went after one guy who made a meme?
1 buttermyself 2017-09-18
Yup
1 rewind45 2017-09-18
That never happened, CNN is still around and it is a major news network. Some spergs posting on reddit didn't change anything
1 Fiery1Phoenix 2017-09-18
Except for the rational side of the internet, because they were right you imbecile
1 throwaway03022017 2017-09-18
Don't be a fag
1 Fiery1Phoenix 2017-09-18
This is r/drama we're all fags here
1 eeso99 2017-09-18
lol
1 froibo 2017-09-18
Those mean may-mays sure taught CNN a lesson!
1 Silverseren 2017-09-18
Are you talking about the guy who put together an image of all the Jewish people that work at CNN and purposefully shared it around to a bunch of white nationalist sites advocating for violence against them?
That guy? Because they went after him for that. The meme thing caught their attention and then they found out all the other stuff he'd been doing and then he broke down sobbing because they were going to reveal the fact that he's a white supremacist to everyone.
1 Strich-9 2017-09-18
You mean when a bunch of people online whined for a while and then nothing happened?
Yeah, you guys are real powerful all right.
1 futurdrama 2017-09-18
CNN Announces Shutdown After /r/dankmemes Post Hits Front Page: "They Just Owned Us Too Hard"
1 444455555666666 2017-09-18
Man they must really be hurting, having one of their most successful financial years ever while autists on the internet LARP about fighting them.
1 trecht 2017-09-18
Yeah but the creator is relatively unknown. He could use this to get known more
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-09-18
Forcing Reddit to remove all frogs would be fucking hilarious. I'm all for this lawsuit and hope he wins simply for the admin post explaining the new rules. 🔥🐸🔥🐸🔥
1 justcool393 2017-09-18
Reminds me of the new rules admins had set down.
1 hlary 2017-09-18
wonder who that top comment was...
1 uniqueguy263 2017-09-18
Luke is Darth Vader's father
1 453265436354654 2017-09-18
Kylo Ren was the original owner of the Millenium Falcon the whole time.
1 zeldaisaprude 2017-09-18
Han solo died.
1 Clopernicus 2017-09-18
Since Matt only seems to take issue with Pepe being associated with The_Donald, maybe only they won't be allowed to post it?
1 -absolutego- 2017-09-18
You cannot selectively enforce the DMCA like that against a legal entity - if reddit as a whole is granted a license to use the image (or their unlicensed usage is not enforced), you can't demand that just the_donald stops using it without demanding it stops across all reddit.
1 Vakieh 2017-09-18
They banned I'm Totally Not A Racist But Puffin, though that may have been individual subs rather than reddit-wide.
1 newprofile15 2017-09-18
Lol alt-right Trumpsters see anyone who doesn't like being associated with Neo-Nazis and general scumbags --> VIRTUE SIGNALER, FUCK THIS GUY! LETS FUCK HIM UP!
But it's actually a boogeyman right and he has nothing to be concerned about and he should let his work be turned into your hate symbol?
1 BannaHamHock 2017-09-18
Lol fag
1 Kamalaa 2017-09-18
This doesn't mean that a single individual shouldn't use the frog. It's about the context of the use by bigger entities.
1 trecht 2017-09-18
That's what makes me think this is just a ploy to kickstart his political career or some cancer like that
1 ahbslldud 2017-09-18
What's it gonna do, force pepe's profile higher? He's a straight-up moral panic at this point.
1 ______________pewpew 2017-09-18
That's not virtue signaling
1 BowToModRiemann1413 2017-09-18
Leftists suddenly care about intellectual 'property'? Re-read your RMS.
1 Clopernicus 2017-09-18
I dunno for sure but I don't think RMS really represents "leftists," or really any kind of human being.
1 botchlings 2017-09-18
Jesus Christ dude, let it go. You "created" this meme years ago and didn't give a shit about it until people whose politics you didn't agree with started to like it. Now you suddenly care? GTFO.
While I'm not lawyer I'm pretty sure this court case falls apart when the defense submits evidence of the number of times Pepe was used without any sort of copyright claim by it's owner. I can't imagine a judge not questioning the fact that the creator is just now caring about copyright claims.
Beyond that, has Pepe even been copyrighted?
I wonder how much of his newly found desire to claim his creation is driven my greed vs. his desire to stop those terrible racists?
1 GeauxHouston22 2017-09-18
more like bitchlings am I right
1 nanonan 2017-09-18
Copyright law is pretty draconian, funnily enough though meme creators don't give two shits.
1 SDIHTD 2017-09-18
i hate that this is a word
1 nanonan 2017-09-18
Yeah, nothing that follows is ever funny. Sorry about that.
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
Is that true at all though? Seems more like he didn't give a shit about it until people started making money off of his work and selling merchandise with pepe on it. What the fuck was he supposed to do about it before? Lawyers are expensive and he'd be spending a fortune to make them take it all down with little hope of ever getting any money out of it. Right now he has free legal representation and he's looking at people who actually have money. Before it was just autistics on the internet making memes. Now it's autistics on the internet selling shitty chinese merchandise and using it for fundraising campaigns. Kind of a massive difference.
1 botchlings 2017-09-18
Which brings up a good point. I wonder how much his decision to file a copyright claim is being influenced by left-leaning organizations
1 froibo 2017-09-18
IT'S A CONSPIRACY TO CONTROL THE MEMES OF PRODUCTION
1 SupaDupaFlyAccount 2017-09-18
You wonder about stupid shit.
1 botchlings 2017-09-18
Not really. The money for the lawyers has to be coming from somewhere plus he suddenly starts to care about a meme character he "created" after all this time.
My guess is someone knocked on his door and offered him a lot of money to suddenly care.
1 SupaDupaFlyAccount 2017-09-18
You think about stupid shit that doesn't matter.
1 Ace4929 2017-09-18
If anybody is making money off of Pepe, I dont think that its Richard Spencer, Mike Cernovich, or t_d, because none of them are selling T-Shirts
1 Nanaki__ 2017-09-18
That's not how copyright works, you don't erode your rights by non enforcement.
If that were true think how much stuff would be in public domain now just through shear usage (looking at anything with any video game character ever and the endless stream of 'fan art' of said character)
1 watermark02 2017-09-18
You can erode trademark rights by non-enforcement I believe. People often hear about this and apply it to all other forms of IP, which is incorrect.
1 Nanaki__ 2017-09-18
yep trademarks can become genericized https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark
1 WikiTextBot 2017-09-18
Generic trademark
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A trademark is said to become genericized when it begins as a distinctive product identifier but changes in meaning to become generic. This typically happens when the products or services with which the trademark is associated have acquired substantial market dominance or mind share, such that the primary meaning of the genericized trademark becomes the product or service itself rather than an indication of source for the product or service. A trademark thus popularized has its legal protection at risk in some countries such as the United States and United Kingdom, as its intellectual property rights in the trademark may be lost and competitors enabled to use the genericized trademark to describe their similar products, unless the owner of an affected trademark works sufficiently to correct and prevent such broad use.
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1 newprofile15 2017-09-18
He created the association of Pepe with alt-right politics? Pretty sure that isn't true.
You also don't understand copyright at all.
Wanting to get paid for something isn't "greed" either you moron.
1 botchlings 2017-09-18
Oh, I can almost 100% guarantee you that he's making money off of this some how. My guess is that he's being paid to pursue this matter.
1 newprofile15 2017-09-18
Don't know how you can guarantee that or who would bother to pay him or what money they would pay him with. The lawyers can't pay him, that's a violation of professional ethics and they are going to risk their licenses over some suit that is barely even registering in the news.
Guess this fits with the typical Trumpster narrative where all of their opponents draw paychecks from the giant Soros slush fund.
1 botchlings 2017-09-18
I was thinking more along the lines of other left-leaning special interest groups, but Soros is a possibility. Someone's gotta pay the lawyers and I doubt it's the dude who created Pepe.
Lawyers are expensive...
1 ricardogce 2017-09-18
Lawyers who smell a payout are cheap up front.
1 JustAThrowaway4563 2017-09-18
Unlikely, but it's also highly unlikely that Matt being the creator will be contested.
1 EvanHarper 2017-09-18
There's no such thing as "been copyrighted" in America you dumbass
1 SDIHTD 2017-09-18
DOWN GOES RACISM! DOWN GOES RACISM!
1 80BAIT08 2017-09-18
Did this fool not learn from beyonce trying to take that picture down. What a loser.
1 captainpriapism 2017-09-18
ahaha what a faggot what does he even this this will achieve apart from wasting his most likely very limited budget
1 ohgodohgodwhy1 2017-09-18
Don't worry, I'm sure Soros/deep state/pizzagate will secretly bankroll all the lawsuits.
1 ThatMormonMike 2017-09-18
The lawyers are doing this pro-bono. He's not paying a penny.
1 aqouta 2017-09-18
And they do it for free!
1 Zachums 2017-09-18
Whatever he's paying them, it's not enough!
1 ricardogce 2017-09-18
Fucking U2 fans.
1 Strich-9 2017-09-18
It's free and he'll probably make $$$ out of it. Why wouldn't you
1 nmx179 2017-09-18
Given that the frog most people call "pepe" doesn't particularly resemble Matt Furie's work other than being an anthropomorphic green frog, couldn't they just start calling him, I don't know... "furie" and continue on as before?
1 nmx179 2017-09-18
FREE PEPE
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1 TheRealTrueDarkLord 2017-09-18
FRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PEPE
1 Hellkyte 2017-09-18
How come we don't have a Pepe flair?
1 SperglockHolmes 2017-09-18
Might get the mods in trouble, so we should do it.
1 geraldo42 2017-09-18
laziness
1 hlary 2017-09-18
we already have political pepe
1 Strich-9 2017-09-18
this sub isn't completely a Donald sub yet
1 ThatMormonMike 2017-09-18
Maybe I've just not cared to look, but I don't remember seeing any:
Most of them I've seen are just silly.
1 fsdgfhk 2017-09-18
lol shill harder nazi
1 ThatMormonMike 2017-09-18
You know, instead of being a smug douche bag, you could provide examples.
1 TedBundyAMA 2017-09-18
is a litigious pepe the rarest of them all?
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2017-09-18
I get how he can file DMCAs and copyright infringement for people's use of his IP in merchandise. What fantasy world does he live in where he thinks he can file it against /r/the_donald to make them stop fucking posting it? Seems pretty clear some are frivolous suit designed to scare.
WTF I love the chilling effect now.
1 OniTan 2017-09-18
I guess he'll file against Reddit and have the admins tell the mods to remove he frogs or they'll be shut down like /r/jailbait.
1 DannyLee90 2017-09-18
/r/The_Donald is arguably the easiest, as it has a giant banner telling you to click on Pepe to subscribe.
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2017-09-18
And? Are they profiting in some way from using his IP?
I mean he may be able to sue reddit for the ad revenue, though even that would probably be a stretch.
1 nio151 2017-09-18
Isn't the main pepe image someone's recreation? I thought the only pepe face that was from the comics was the feels good man face
1 going_for_a_wank 2017-09-18
Still the creator's intellectual property. You can draw your own version of mickey mouse but Disney will still sue the shirt right off your back if you are trying to make money off of it.
1 elwombat 2017-09-18
So if he specifically wants it enforced against the alt right, he's gonna have to define it. He's gonna be pretty ass blasted when he finds out there are only like 1000 actual alt right users on the site.
1 canering 2017-09-18
Which site? The article lists the specific websites and specific misuses of pepe. Apparently pepe pops up on The Donald asking for subscriptions. I know they inflate their numbers but it's gotta be a lot of people?
1 TheAudacityOfDopes 2017-09-18
TFW I don't know what fair use is
1 satanismyhomeboy 2017-09-18
The opposite of rape
1 EvanHarper 2017-09-18
Uh... you obviously don't though...
1 Sai22 2017-09-18
I wonder how massive the Streisand effect from this will be
1 Strich-9 2017-09-18
a bunch of people on the internet whining? Maybe some death threats?
that's about it?
1 makes_people_cringe 2017-09-18
try serving me you cuck
1 autotldr 2017-09-18
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 92%. (I'm a bot)
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Pepe#1 alt-right#2 Furie#3 Tompros#4 lawyer#5
1 Mellodux 2017-09-18
Sounds like he's Furie-ous
1 pi_over_3 2017-09-18
Liberals: WTF improve oppressive copyright laws that favor corporations now!
1 Notthehalf 2017-09-18
People favoring things that profit themselves personally? Nah thats madness, everyone is so honest and altruistic in their intentions all the time.
1 LedinToke 2017-09-18
I think the best way to sum up the last few years is surreal
1 cuteman 2017-09-18
Furie should get together with Streisand and Beyoncé to see if they can get a group discount on digital wrongthink removal.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-09-18
No surrender, motherfucker.
1 Nechaev 2017-09-18
reeeeeeeeeee
1 do0rkn0b 2017-09-18
waste of time and money lol
1 xu85 2017-09-18
Furie didn't give a shit about this until now, even when it was co-opted by the alt right a few years ago. I'm guessing the ADL is behind this, along with some money because he's not exactly flush with cash.
1 snoozeflu 2017-09-18
When you start telling people what they can not do, it makes them want to do it more.
1 markevens 2017-09-18
Is this how T_D gets banned?
1 r4chan-cancer 2017-09-18
I thought he killed Pepe, how can people still making memes when Pepe is dead??
1 Notthehalf 2017-09-18
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/615106574/save-pepe
He literally kickstartered it.
Did you pay for the drawings vital heart surgery so they artists can draw again?
Says it all about him really.
1 Notthehalf 2017-09-18
I look forward to Chuck Jones sewing him to protect their Michigan J Frog Character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkjsN-J27aU
1 trecht 2017-09-18
Damn it took him long to come up with a plan how to milk this
1 ProbablyABigFatJerk 2017-09-18
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1 CharlesChrist 2017-09-18
reddit.com/pepe
1 EvanHarper 2017-09-18
ITT: /pol/tards expressing hilariously naive ideas about law and publicity in buzzword pileups
he's going to get streisand effected right into the public domain for not understanding fair use!
1 itsconstantinople 2017-09-18
(((THEY'RE))) SEIZING THE MEMES OF PRODUCTION!!
1 wolfbetter 2017-09-18
Anyway I read that the trademark ended in 2016 and wasn't renewd... is this true? If yes this drama is going to either became glorious or to be fucking nothing.