To say nothing of the fact that communism always has to have a giant surveillance apparatus and severe curtailment of free speech. Capitalism isn’t immune to attacking opponents, but even in the McCarthy era what the FBI would do was nothing compared to what the KGB would do, or what they still will do in China.
I mean, just look at how the people in the socialism subreddits here act. They want the gulags more than anything. I’ll take the callous neglect of capitalism over the ceaseless bloodthirst of communism.
And this gets upvoted?
I think the problem here is the divergence of communism in practice from communism in Marxist theory. You and someone from that sub are not talking about the same thing. Stalinist communism was more exploiting Marxist ideology to support a totalitarian state than it was actually based on those ideals. For example, racial, ethnic and gender equality is one of the cornerstones of Marxism, and yet we see above that they are ignored when it's convenient for the government apparatus.... Tankies that want gulags back are still inexcusable asshats.
/u/Bird-Dude, first off, how did you miss the blatantly obvious point that was being made, namely, that the socialism subreddits are full of tankies? But more importantly, the "theory" is fucking irrelevant if it can't actually be implemented - and there is now a mountain of evidence indicating it can't.
It's interesting how the moderation of political subs often reflects their political ideology.
The far left/commie subs are constantly schisming over minor disagreements, banning dissenting opinions, or for wrongthink even outside the sub in question.
I don't think it has much to do with personality traits, it's simply that an ideology that downplays the role of the individual and centers around the collective is bound to have issues when it comes down to defining said collective.
So does T_D... I would agree there is plenty more of far left subs which do that, but that might be just because there is much more far left than far right people on reddit in general.
You'd have to write something so convincing that as soon as someone was exposed to it they'd become a true believer for that to work. The fact that people don't get that their ideology may not be as convincing to others as it is to them still mildly surprises me.
If nobody is actively fighting against it, the old racial and gender roles will quickly reassert themselves after a revolution.
It's almost as if those roles are not in fact the invention of capitalism, nor a mysterious universal coincidence, but actually compelling evidence against blank slate gender theory.
Why is balance inherently good? Balance between what, exactly? Oppressed and the oppressors? Lynchers and the would-be-lynched? Why should there be any balance on such issues?
steel mill employs 1000 people when it should only employ 100
steel mixture is heavily contaminated and the tolerances are all over the fucking place because no one gives a shit, its Russia after all
3 guys are in the corner drinking and 1 guy is shooting heroin
this mill is still operational because much higher quality and cheaper Japanese steel is banned like most other imports, forcing Russians to attempt to make their own
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
The Russian army was stopped at Grozny. They also sold their weapons and ammo to the mujahideen in exchange for drugs. They didn't have the discipline or tactics to win a drawn out war.
The Russian army was stopped at Grozny. They also sold their weapons and ammo to the mujahideen in exchange for drugs. They didn't have the discipline or tactics to win a drawn out war. If they would have invaded Western Europe they would have taken severe casualties and suffered from the same moral problems they did in Grozny.
Point is you don't really have a super strong army when you struggle to capture a city held by militia. The first siege of Grozny showed how weak the Soviet army had been, any war fought after the 70's would have been a complete disaster for the Soviets. The world was surprised at the horrendous losses the Russians suffered trying to take that city.
Also the Soviets got incredible amounts of aid in fighting the Germans. Between the British and Americans sending them radios, reliable trucks, tanks and various other military provisions and bomber command distracting the Germans in the West you can hardly say the Soviets smacked the Germans down single handedly. The Soviets even had sent men to try and see if Hitler would be open for peace after their crushing early defeats.
Bro, did you just claim the west was "distracting the Germans."
The Soviets did the heavy lifting fighting the Germans, that isn't even like a controversial thing to say.
The soviets "crushing defeat" in opening days of the war was because Stalin was delusional and refused to even admit Germany was invading, that, combined with the fact many people hated Stalin. But after that Stalin managed to rally the population behind him and the rest is history.
For all its multinational trimmings, therefore, ‘Operation Barbarossa’ was thus in essence to be a German operation. As the winter snows of East-Central Europe melted and the ground thawed, the German armed forces began moving vast masses of men and equipment up to the Soviet border. Throughout May and early June 1941, Zygmunt Klukowski recorded endless columns of German troops and vehicles passing through his region of Poland, noting the passage of between 500 and 600 vehicles on 14 June alone, for example. Stalin hurriedly launched a futile policy of trying to appease the Germans by stepping up Soviet deliveries of Asian rubber and other supplies under the trade agreement signed in January 1941. As a dogmatic Marxist-Leninist, Stalin was convinced that Hitler’s regime was the tool of German monopoly capitalism, so that if he made available everything German business wanted, there would be no immediate reason to invade. Already, under trade provisions agreed under the Nazi-Soviet Pact early the previous year, the Soviet Union was supplying nearly three-quarters of Germany’s requirement of phosphates, over two-thirds of its imported asbestos, only a little less of its chrome ore, over half its manganese, over a third of its imported nickel, and, even more crucially, more than a third of its imported oil. Stalin personally vetoed proposals to disrupt the German military build-up by attacking across the Polish demarcation line. Reports from Soviet agents and even from members of the German embassy in Moscow that an invasion was imminent only convinced him that the Germans were playing hard-ball in their drive to extract economic concessions from him.
At the same time, Stalin realized that, as he told graduating military cadets in Moscow on 5 May 1941, ‘War with Germany is inevitable.’ Molotov might be able to postpone it for two or three months, but in the meantime it was vital to ‘re-teach our army and our commanders. Educate them in the spirit of attack.’142 Delivered to young officers as a rhetorical message for the future, this was not a statement of intent. Stalin did not believe that the Red Army would be ready to deal with the Germans until 1942 or perhaps even 1943. Not only had the General Staff not drawn up any plans for an attack on the German forces, it had no plans for a defence against them either.143 Although the Germans mounted a large and sophisticated deception plan to conceal the true nature of their intentions, Soviet intelligence began to send in accurate reports that the invasion was planned for around 22 June 1941. But Stalin would not listen. Earlier reports that the invasion plans were to become operational on 15 May 1941, though correct at the time, proved wrong when the Germans delayed Barbarossa in order to mount the invasion of Greece and Yugoslavia. Hitler later blamed Mussolini for the consequences, but in fact the weather in East-Central Europe in these weeks would have made an invasion of the Soviet Union inadvisable even had the German Leader not been obliged to step in to rescue his Italian ally from the imbroglio in Southern Europe. The Soviet agents who had made the prediction lost all credibility as a result.144 The capitalist forces in Britain, including the exiled Polish government, seemed to Stalin’s narrow and suspicious mind to be feeding false information to him about German intentions in order to lure him into a battle. Surely in any case the German Leader would not invade while the conflict with Britain was still unresolved. When an ex-Communist soldier deserted the German forces on 21 June 1941 and swam across a river to tell the Russians on the other side that his unit had been given orders to invade the following morning, Stalin had him shot for spreading ‘disinformation’.
Stalin had pretty much given up in the opening days until that speech:
At 3.30 a.m. on 22 June 1941 the Chief of the Red Army General Staff, Georgi Zhukov, telephoned Stalin’s dacha to rouse the Soviet leader from his sleep. The Germans, he told him, had begun shelling Red Army positions along the frontier. Stalin refused to believe that a full-scale invasion was under way. Surely, he told a small gathering of civilian and military leaders in Moscow later in the morning, Hitler did not know about it. There must be a conspiracy among the leaders of the German armed forces. It was only when the German Ambassador, Count Friedrich Werner von der Schulenburg, met Foreign Minister Molotov in the Kremlin to hand over the German declaration of war that Stalin recognized he had been duped by Hitler. Initially shocked, embarrassed and disoriented, Stalin soon pulled himself together. On 23 June 1941 he worked at his desk in the Kremlin from 3.20 in the morning to 6.25 in the evening, gathering information and making the necessary arrangements for the creation of a Supreme Command to take charge of operations. As the days went by, he became increasingly dispirited by the scale and speed of the German advance. At the end of June, he left for his dacha, saying, in his inimitably coarse way, ‘Everything’s lost. I give up. Lenin founded our state and we’ve fucked it up.’ He made no address to the Soviet people, he did not talk to his subordinates, he did not even answer the phone. German planes, indeed, dropped leaflets over the Red Army lines claiming that he was dead. When a delegation from the Politburo arrived at the dacha, they found Stalin slumped in an armchair. ‘Why have you come?’ he asked. With a thrill of terror, two members of the delegation, Mikoyan and Beria, realized he thought they had come to arrest him.
Holy shit you REALLY get upset when the soviets get criticized huh? Grozny proved that the 'modern' soviet army sucked more dick than a $2 hooker. As did the Soviets selling their weapons and ammo to mujahideen in exchange for drugs. They were ill disciplined and relied entirely on heavy armour. I know this goes against your fantasy of being saved from a German by a strong Red Army soldier and thanking him with your bussy but unfortunately this is the reality.
America performed well during Desert Storm, the Russians lost hundreds of armour and had entire groups of Speznatz captured by militia. Similar time frames, similar weapons and tactics would have been used by each side, yet one did great and the other drowned the enemy in their blood.
The Soviets sent men to beg Hitler for peace. You'd also be a fool to ignore how the Germans pulled back air power and men to defend against bomber attacks. No one nation won the war but if the soviets never were to receive military aid and if the British never bombed Germany we'd all be eating sauerkraut.
The late soviets absolutely were a pushover military. Why do you think I keep bringing up Grozny. It was soviet tactics and equipment that failed so spectacularly. 1993 isn't worlds different from 1989. During that same time period the Americans dominated militarily and the Russians using soviet tactics could barely take a city.
Please though, show me how the American success in the Gulf War and at the same time Russian failure in Chechnya proves the Soviets stood a chance. The Americans kicked ass with their military doctrine in 1990-1991, the Russians were beaten worse than a rented mule in 1993 using Soviet tactics and equipment. If one can take down a country and the other can't even take a city then you can't show how those turnip eating snow mongrels were superior. Unless they literally nuked everything they would have been beat.
You'll have to provide documentation on this so I know exactly what you're talking about.
You'd also be a fool to ignore how the Germans pulled back air power and men to defend against bomber attacks.
The war was already over by then, Germany was done. Hitler had based his entire strategy on a rapid conquest of the soviet union before winter hit.
Once the Soviets were able to rally the country it was just over. Soviet production greatly outpaced German production and the planes they were producing were no joke.
War on this scale becomes about production and resources - and the soviet union was just leaps and bounds ahead of Germany.
No one nation won the war but if the Soviets never were to receive military aid and if the British never bombed Germany we'd all be eating sauerkraut.
I don't think the Soviets won the war solo - the US and allies funneled them a great deal of resources which sped the war up greatly, but the soviets were going to win that war, it might have taken longer, but they were going to win.
Even the German generals knew this early on once the soviets rallied:
‘Their units are all half-destroyed, but they just fill them with new people and they attack again. How the Russians manage it is beyond me.’264 German military intelligence had failed to register the presence of the huge Soviet reserve units to the east of the Dnieper, from which fresh troops were constantly being moved to the front.265 Little more than a month after the invasion had begun, leading German generals were beginning to recognize that the Soviet Union was the Third Reich’s ‘first serious opponent’ with ‘inexhaustible human resources’.266 By 2 August General Halder was already beginning to think of how to supply German troops with winter clothing.267 Nine days later he was seriously concerned:
In the situation as a whole it is becoming ever clearer that we have underestimated the Russian colossus, which has consciously prepared for the war with the absolute lack of restraint that is peculiar to totalitarian states. This conclusion applies to its economic as well as its organizational forces, to its transport system and above all to its purely military capacity to operate. At the outset of the war we reckoned with about 200 enemy div[isions]. Now we are already counting 360. These div[isions] are certainly not armed and equipped in our sense of the words, and tactically they are often poorly led. But they are there. And when a dozen of them have been destroyed, then the Russians put up another dozen.
And even Halder’s gloomy statistic was in fact a substantial underestimation of the strength of his opponent. Moreover, the German troops were suffering heavy losses - 10 per cent of the invasion force was dead, wounded or missing by the end of July 1941. ‘In view of the weakness of our forces and the endless spaces,’ he concluded gloomily on 15 August 1941, ‘we can never achieve success.’
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The late soviets absolutely were a pushover military. Why do you think I keep bringing up Grozny. It was soviet tactics and equipment that failed so spectacularly.
You realize many of the separatists fighting the Russian military at Grozny were ex soviet troops, using soviet arms and soviet tactics, right?
This isn't even getting into the fact the Russian military was in shambles at this point and not even close to the soviet union. The Russian invasion force was full of new conscripts that were very poorly equipped.
Bringing up the first Chechen war is just questionable.
Please though, show me how the American success in the Gulf War and at the same time Russian failure in Chechnya proves the Soviets stood a chance.
You're comparing a country that was literally in shambles with no real military to a country that never lost superpower status. You know that, right?
I know that you absolutely can't stand the Soviet Union ever not being the best at everything. Seriously, even Stalin would tell you to stop trying to slobber all over his dick this hard. Why is it you feel the need to whitenight for Reds so much? They lost in Afghanistan and lost in Chechnya, it wasn't until they abandoned Soviet doctrine did they win.
Buddy, after the Germans lost the Battle of Britain the English bombed German factories. They denied the Germans the quality Scandinavian ore they needed for their tanks and it made the German divert focus which eased up pressure on the East. No one nation won but without the British and Americans the Soviets would have given up a significant amount of land for peace. This wasn't after the tide turned, this was right after the Germans stopped hammering England. The English even put priority on Soviet shipments of aid rather than on their own wellbeing.
So the defenders using apparent soviet tactics somehow vindicates the disaster that was soviet battle doctrine? They dropped more bombs on Grozny than had been dropped in Europe since WW2, the fact they still couldn't break through just shows how weak Russian/Soviet forces actually were. Seriously, the Americans caused the highway of death and the Russians lost 80%+ of battalions and hundreds of armored vehicles because the rebels knew that the Soviet tanks couldn't hit a basement.
Bringing up the Chechen war shows us exactly how the Soviets would have fought a war. It didn't go well yet you refuse to admit that the Soviets weren't as perfect as you fantasize they were. Why is it you want to slobber Red knob so much? They weren't the unstoppable powerhouse you thought they were. If they were they wouldn't have lost in Chechnya and Afghanistan.
In October and November 1940, German–Soviet Axis talks occurred concerning the Soviet Union's potential entry as a fourth Axis Power in World War II. The negotiations, which occurred during the era of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, included a two-day Berlin conference between Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov, Adolf Hitler and German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, followed by both countries trading written proposed agreements. After two days of negotiations from 12 to 14 November 1940, Germany presented the Soviets with a draft written Axis pact agreement defining the world spheres of influence of the four proposed Axis powers (Japan, Germany, Soviet Union, Italy). Hitler, Ribbentrop and Molotov tried to set German and Soviet spheres of influence; Hitler encouraged Molotov to look south to Iran and eventually India while preserving German access to Finland's resources, and to remove Soviet influence in the Balkans. Molotov remained firm, seeking to remove German troops from Finland and gain a warm water port in the Balkans.
I know that you absolutely can't stand the Soviet Union ever not being the best at everything.
And stopped reading. Correcting your historical illiteracy is not me saying the soviet union was the "best" at anything.
This seems to be more you being a moron than anything else. But I had to stop reading this comment after the first line because you're so clearly retarded this is pointless.
The Russians threw literal mountains of munitions, tanks and men at Grozny but they were stopped cold. When they abandoned Soviet tactics they won later on. Simple simple tard, the Soviet tactics were inferior and would have been annihilated against the Americans just like the Iraqis were.
Sucking daddy Stalin's dick won't change that. Empirical evidence will always win to your red fantasies.
When you started crying that the British and American bombing campaign didn't do anything.
The Soviets won ww2 single-handedly.
When you refused to accept that any other power made a difference. Go back and read your own comments sperg.
You're so illiterate and so blinded by your delusion you're just making shit up.
Says the guy who says that chechens using Soviet training proves more than Russians being stopped using Soviet equipment and tactics. Then who goes on to say they would actually be a threat to the Americans. Uncle Sam would have made Lenin scream for his Big Mac in any real war.
When you started crying that the British and American bombing campaign didn't do anything.
Never happened.
When you refused to accept that any other power made a difference. Go back and read your own comments sperg.
The illiteracy here is just staggering, I literally said the war was sped up, but the soviets would have beat Germany in the longrun for obvious reasons - if the soviets didn't exist, the US would have beat Germany in the long run as well.
This is because both the US and the soviet union had significantly more resources than Germany.
Says the guy who says that chechens using Soviet training proves more than Russians being stopped using Soviet equipment and tactics.
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Then who goes on to say they would actually be a threat to the Americans. Uncle Sam would have made Lenin scream for his Big Mac in any real war.
1990s Russia wasn't a threat to the US, the soviet union before collapsing was.
The Soviets sent Hitler requests for peace. They would have accepted 1914 boundaries less the Ukraine easily. They wouldn't have kept waging war, especially when they were so eager to work with Hitler beforehand regardless of what he wrote in Mein Kampft.
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You literally said that the Chechens used Soviet tactics to excuse the Russian incompetence.
The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own incompetence. What makes you think their war department was exempt from that. They couldn't crush militia with homemade guns, nor could they stop mujahideen. They were weak, not strong.
Seriously though, what is it with your love for the turnip eaters? I thought you hated trump and would love to shit on the siberian snow mongrels. Apparently as soon as the Reds get exposed for being weaker than they presented themselves as you get more triggered than Chris-Chan when his attraction sign gets confiscated.
The only one who is illiterate is the one trying to suck Stalin dick. Soviet tactics failed in Grozny, the Russians won when they abandoned them. If the Soviets had fought the yanks they would have had the same experience but worse.
This isn't a hard point but you seem impossibly confused about this. Yet you say I'm illiterate because you can't understand this.
I mean, we already know you're retarded for how much you serious post in /r/Drama but wew fucking lad.
No... we went to the moon first and you greatly overstate their capabilities. We had nukes first and more of them, our navy could've blasted them out of the water. Having more t-72's 10 years out of date does mean you can steamroll across europe.
The Soviets didn't really concentrate on Navy... thus, they never would've been able to launch an invasion of the US, but they pretty much would've steamrolled continental europe in any war.
because the government had access to 100% of their resources which they chose to spend on trying one up the US and ignore millions of starving Ukrainians.
It was their undoing. They spent all their GDP on their military, and when their shekels ran out they borrowed more money for their military until they collapsed.
You forgot the part where the mill owner a city over steals your supplies because they haven't met production demands yet and he doesn't want to go to Siberia.
/u/boringsuburbanite I think you're stupid enough to be a full time poster here. Stop with the commie shit though and get with the patriotic program. Repeat after me: capitalism is good, communism is bad, white people are the worst
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
Plenty of your Christian Baltic ancestors massacred Jews and collaborated with Nazis. The USSR liberated Eastern Europe from the perspective of actually oppressed people (like Jewish people being murdered by Nazis and quislings). The opinions of the non-oppressed (almost all Baltic Christians, for example) on this matter are essentially irrelevant.
If you don't want your country stomped on by communists, don't fucking murder Jewish people for existing. Why is this hard to understand? Lithuania was the country where the Holocaust was most successful, because unlike, say, in Denmark, where people actually had backbones, Lithuanian Christians foamed at the mouth for Jewish blood and shot Jewish men, women and children with smiles.
Eastern Europe (not just the Baltics) is full of such tales. Christians happily murdered their Jewish neighbors themselves, or failing that ratted them out to the Nazis without even being under any kind of duress. Attempting to apologize for this with some anti-communist shtick makes you an anti-semite and a Nazi apologist.
The modern resurgence of Fascism in Eastern Europe is pretty much directly attributable to the collapse of the USSR. Lithuanian Jewish war veterans who fought for the Soviets in the Baltic states are hated by their neighbors and labeled war criminals, while Nazi collaborators who murdered Jewish children in their cribs are lauded as heroes and have statues erected of them.
Did the USSR commit atrocities? Sure. That's war, in fact that is the state in general. But can they nonetheless said to be liberators? Absolutely.
Do you actively and thoughtfully cultivate this level of ignorance or are you just really stupid /u/specterofsandersism ?
Does this fucking idiot even know that the USSR invaded Poland, the Baltic states, and Finland before their war with the Nazis? That, in fact, they were allies of the Nazis in the invasion of Poland?
The "continuous" part should make sense – the USSR was a planned, non-market economy, so market crashes á la capitalism were pretty much impossible.
1920s banditry was actually not real, holodomor and starvation across the whole of the USSR at that time not real, post-war rations not real, late 80s/early 90s lack of goods crisis which indirectly led to the collapse of the USSR not real.
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1 Eat_Some_Beer 2017-10-10
Commies are so fucking retarded
1 Ardvarkeating101 2017-10-10
Wow, not like that joke got old 40 years ago.
1 AnnoysTheGoys 2017-10-10
We keep getting older, but the apparatchik lies & propaganda stays the same!
1 Eat_Some_Beer 2017-10-10
It's not a joke. Commies are the joke.
1 whenweriiide 2017-10-10
How old is the beer if I'm able to eat it?
1 Eat_Some_Beer 2017-10-10
Seven
1 whenweriiide 2017-10-10
IPA?
1 Eat_Some_Beer 2017-10-10
Oh no you're not supposed to drink isopropyl alcohol!
1 Eat_Some_Beer 2017-10-10
Oh no you're not supposed to drink isopropyl alcohol!
1 whenweriiide 2017-10-10
I don't care what the label on my mouthwash says
1 MasterLawlz 2017-10-10
This comment makes perfect sense if you’re referring to communism
1 phoenixbasileus 2017-10-10
Is it still a joke if it's true?
1 aqouta 2017-10-10
Joke? That was a statement, maybe you can argue if it's factual but a joke?
1 King-Achelexus 2017-10-10
So is /r/badhistory.
1 holditsteady 2017-10-10
Also r/drama
1 aqouta 2017-10-10
That's basically on the sidebar.
1 Burnnoticelover 2017-10-10
“Communism was bad.”
“LMAO r/badhistory amirite guise”
1 princessCuck 2017-10-10
A u vas negrov linchuyut!
1 Thot_Crusher 2017-10-10
A nu, cheeki breeki iv damke!
1 darth_stroyer 2017-10-10
Wonder what Prince 'tankie crusader' Kropotkin thinks of this.
Thoughts?
1 Deity_Of_Darkness 2017-10-10
Tankies still think he's an Arch liberal.
1 CaptainMemer 2017-10-10
But everyone can agree that he’s a pedophile.
1 Mexagon 2017-10-10
Be patient, he's still writing a 15 page response that everyone will laugh at and not read.
1 trapochaphouse 2017-10-10
Just ask OP, /u/Deity_Of_Darkness is PK's alt.
1 Deity_Of_Darkness 2017-10-10
I'm not his alt.
1 darth_stroyer 2017-10-10
This is like how you claim to be the puppy play professor so everyone thinks you're joking, but now I actually believe it's you.
1 trapochaphouse 2017-10-10
You can deny it all you want, everyone knows it's true.
1 ioiidnsksi 2017-10-10
stop using ur alt PK
1 Minimum_T-Giraff 2017-10-10
Just looking through that thread and the content could easily fuel another badhistroy thread.
1 ahbslldud 2017-10-10
holodomor deniers
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-10-10
Ukrainian kulaks deserved it
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
It didn't happen, but if it did it was justified, but it didn't happen. They still deserved it even though it didn't happen.
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-10-10
I wish the Holomdor had happened
1 zahlman 2017-10-10
Jesus christ. This gets downvoted
And this gets upvoted?
/u/Bird-Dude, first off, how did you miss the blatantly obvious point that was being made, namely, that the socialism subreddits are full of tankies? But more importantly, the "theory" is fucking irrelevant if it can't actually be implemented - and there is now a mountain of evidence indicating it can't.
1 biggest_decision 2017-10-10
It's interesting how the moderation of political subs often reflects their political ideology.
The far left/commie subs are constantly schisming over minor disagreements, banning dissenting opinions, or for wrongthink even outside the sub in question.
Like how a real authoritarian regime would act.
1 zahlman 2017-10-10
It's almost as if personality traits correlate both with behaviour and political leanings.
1 TheMauveHand 2017-10-10
I don't think it has much to do with personality traits, it's simply that an ideology that downplays the role of the individual and centers around the collective is bound to have issues when it comes down to defining said collective.
1 Matthew1J 2017-10-10
So does T_D... I would agree there is plenty more of far left subs which do that, but that might be just because there is much more far left than far right people on reddit in general.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Sure but that doesn't change anything about what was said. If you're at the extreme of any ideology you're retarded.
1 grungebot5000 2017-10-10
sure it does
he said “far left/commie,” not “extreme” or somethin
muh south park neutrality
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Far left or far right is an an extreme end of the spectrum.
1 grungebot5000 2017-10-10
OP wasn't talking about extremists though, just one side
i mean he's not wrong, i'm just equivocating
1 die_rattin 2017-10-10
T_D doesn't schism constantly, quite the opposite
That's how it got so big in the first place
1 Cant_stop-Wont_stop 2017-10-10
"It's okay that Communists intentionally killed 100 million people, because Marx didn't intend for that to happen... it was an accident!"
1 CondeTrocola 2017-10-10
Well, the ideal revolution would be from a 100% Marxist population... but it's impossible.
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2017-10-10
And it still would not work because humans can't eat ideological fervor
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
You'd have to write something so convincing that as soon as someone was exposed to it they'd become a true believer for that to work. The fact that people don't get that their ideology may not be as convincing to others as it is to them still mildly surprises me.
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-10
But but but that wasn't real communism man. Real communism has like never been tried before.
1 zahlman 2017-10-10
/u/frezik
It's almost as if those roles are not in fact the invention of capitalism, nor a mysterious universal coincidence, but actually compelling evidence against blank slate gender theory.
1 PinheadXXXXXX 2017-10-10
There are plenty of explanations for this other than a biological one.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Empirical observations are sexist and anti-revolutionary. Please report yourself to the nearest NKVD agent so you can be reeducated in a pit.
1 zahlman 2017-10-10
Requested this as a snapshill quote.
1 PoorLilMarco 2017-10-10
Congrats /u/specterofsandersism, the competition was tough, but you win the gold for the most retarded user in the thread.
1 JoeFalchetto 2017-10-10
TIL the Soviet Union were the oppressed.
1 EvanHarper 2017-10-10
> being unironically an overproduction theorist in 2017
1 Rezzz8080 2017-10-10
I'm speechless that someone actually wrote that unironically.
1 MrNotSpecified 2017-10-10
I don't know enough about economics to understand what point they are making, but I will agree with you.
1 no_maps_no_plans 2017-10-10
the soviet model is great
1 Thot_Crusher 2017-10-10
The actual Soviet model is
100% employment but 10% efficiency
1 32Fismypreferredtemp 2017-10-10
Sounds like government employees alright
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
They sure got a lot done for how inefficient they were tbh.
Imagine if they weren't retarded.
1 Thot_Crusher 2017-10-10
Man that doesn't even make sense
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
I'm just saying, they beat us into space and had a military that easily would have been a match for all of NATO combined.
1 Thot_Crusher 2017-10-10
Tards are known to have Shrek-like strength. No man could beat a Shrek. Yet, what the tard has in strength, it lacks in normal brain function.
This is why I, a high IQ graduate of Rick and Morty (all current seasons and fanfics), will always be able to outdo any tard in my path.
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-10
On paper perhaps. In practice, not quite.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Who would win, the Red Army or some Afghan Shepards? The Reds were too fucking high and incompetent to find their own dicks let alone win a war.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
And the US lost to a bunch of rice eaters in the jungle.
It's a bit disingenuous to judge a military on how well they do in a war like that, even the US performed poorly in those conditions.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95)
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95)
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95)
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95)
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95)
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95)
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95)
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95)
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The US army wasn't high off local opium the entire time either. Nor were they shocked to realize they were fighting Vietnamese instead of Soviets. Sure they lost but they put of a far better fight than the Soviets did. How many Americans sold their own weapons and ammunition to the Viet Cong for drugs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95)
They got the shit kicked out of them by a bunch of Chechen militia who they outnumbered and outgunned. The Soviets had a lot of good weapons but their ability to wage a war was basically non-existent after Stalin. They would have put up a fight but would have had the same breakdown in morale if they tried anything in West Germany. If you lost Grozny to rebels you'd lose to NATO forces dug in and waiting.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The Russian army was stopped at Grozny. They also sold their weapons and ammo to the mujahideen in exchange for drugs. They didn't have the discipline or tactics to win a drawn out war.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The Russian army was stopped at Grozny. They also sold their weapons and ammo to the mujahideen in exchange for drugs. They didn't have the discipline or tactics to win a drawn out war. If they would have invaded Western Europe they would have taken severe casualties and suffered from the same moral problems they did in Grozny.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
I'm sure that's what the Germans thought right before they got bent over broski.
You guys are seriously underestimating how hard it would have been for NATO to combat the soviets.
Would NATO have won? Probably, but the losses would have been staggering, it would have made ww2 look like a joke.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Point is you don't really have a super strong army when you struggle to capture a city held by militia. The first siege of Grozny showed how weak the Soviet army had been, any war fought after the 70's would have been a complete disaster for the Soviets. The world was surprised at the horrendous losses the Russians suffered trying to take that city.
Also the Soviets got incredible amounts of aid in fighting the Germans. Between the British and Americans sending them radios, reliable trucks, tanks and various other military provisions and bomber command distracting the Germans in the West you can hardly say the Soviets smacked the Germans down single handedly. The Soviets even had sent men to try and see if Hitler would be open for peace after their crushing early defeats.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
Bro, did you just claim the west was "distracting the Germans."
The Soviets did the heavy lifting fighting the Germans, that isn't even like a controversial thing to say.
The soviets "crushing defeat" in opening days of the war was because Stalin was delusional and refused to even admit Germany was invading, that, combined with the fact many people hated Stalin. But after that Stalin managed to rally the population behind him and the rest is history.
Stalin had pretty much given up in the opening days until that speech:
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Holy shit you REALLY get upset when the soviets get criticized huh? Grozny proved that the 'modern' soviet army sucked more dick than a $2 hooker. As did the Soviets selling their weapons and ammo to mujahideen in exchange for drugs. They were ill disciplined and relied entirely on heavy armour. I know this goes against your fantasy of being saved from a German by a strong Red Army soldier and thanking him with your bussy but unfortunately this is the reality.
America performed well during Desert Storm, the Russians lost hundreds of armour and had entire groups of Speznatz captured by militia. Similar time frames, similar weapons and tactics would have been used by each side, yet one did great and the other drowned the enemy in their blood.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
I don't give a shit about the soviets, it's just this bullshit that people spew about them that's hilarious.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The Soviets sent men to beg Hitler for peace. You'd also be a fool to ignore how the Germans pulled back air power and men to defend against bomber attacks. No one nation won the war but if the soviets never were to receive military aid and if the British never bombed Germany we'd all be eating sauerkraut.
The late soviets absolutely were a pushover military. Why do you think I keep bringing up Grozny. It was soviet tactics and equipment that failed so spectacularly. 1993 isn't worlds different from 1989. During that same time period the Americans dominated militarily and the Russians using soviet tactics could barely take a city.
Please though, show me how the American success in the Gulf War and at the same time Russian failure in Chechnya proves the Soviets stood a chance. The Americans kicked ass with their military doctrine in 1990-1991, the Russians were beaten worse than a rented mule in 1993 using Soviet tactics and equipment. If one can take down a country and the other can't even take a city then you can't show how those turnip eating snow mongrels were superior. Unless they literally nuked everything they would have been beat.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
You'll have to provide documentation on this so I know exactly what you're talking about.
The war was already over by then, Germany was done. Hitler had based his entire strategy on a rapid conquest of the soviet union before winter hit.
Once the Soviets were able to rally the country it was just over. Soviet production greatly outpaced German production and the planes they were producing were no joke.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-2
War on this scale becomes about production and resources - and the soviet union was just leaps and bounds ahead of Germany.
I don't think the Soviets won the war solo - the US and allies funneled them a great deal of resources which sped the war up greatly, but the soviets were going to win that war, it might have taken longer, but they were going to win.
Even the German generals knew this early on once the soviets rallied:
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You realize many of the separatists fighting the Russian military at Grozny were ex soviet troops, using soviet arms and soviet tactics, right?
This isn't even getting into the fact the Russian military was in shambles at this point and not even close to the soviet union. The Russian invasion force was full of new conscripts that were very poorly equipped.
Bringing up the first Chechen war is just questionable.
You're comparing a country that was literally in shambles with no real military to a country that never lost superpower status. You know that, right?
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
I know that you absolutely can't stand the Soviet Union ever not being the best at everything. Seriously, even Stalin would tell you to stop trying to slobber all over his dick this hard. Why is it you feel the need to whitenight for Reds so much? They lost in Afghanistan and lost in Chechnya, it wasn't until they abandoned Soviet doctrine did they win.
Buddy, after the Germans lost the Battle of Britain the English bombed German factories. They denied the Germans the quality Scandinavian ore they needed for their tanks and it made the German divert focus which eased up pressure on the East. No one nation won but without the British and Americans the Soviets would have given up a significant amount of land for peace. This wasn't after the tide turned, this was right after the Germans stopped hammering England. The English even put priority on Soviet shipments of aid rather than on their own wellbeing.
As for negotiations; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Axis_talks
So the defenders using apparent soviet tactics somehow vindicates the disaster that was soviet battle doctrine? They dropped more bombs on Grozny than had been dropped in Europe since WW2, the fact they still couldn't break through just shows how weak Russian/Soviet forces actually were. Seriously, the Americans caused the highway of death and the Russians lost 80%+ of battalions and hundreds of armored vehicles because the rebels knew that the Soviet tanks couldn't hit a basement.
Bringing up the Chechen war shows us exactly how the Soviets would have fought a war. It didn't go well yet you refuse to admit that the Soviets weren't as perfect as you fantasize they were. Why is it you want to slobber Red knob so much? They weren't the unstoppable powerhouse you thought they were. If they were they wouldn't have lost in Chechnya and Afghanistan.
1 WikiTextBot 2017-10-10
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In October and November 1940, German–Soviet Axis talks occurred concerning the Soviet Union's potential entry as a fourth Axis Power in World War II. The negotiations, which occurred during the era of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, included a two-day Berlin conference between Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov, Adolf Hitler and German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, followed by both countries trading written proposed agreements. After two days of negotiations from 12 to 14 November 1940, Germany presented the Soviets with a draft written Axis pact agreement defining the world spheres of influence of the four proposed Axis powers (Japan, Germany, Soviet Union, Italy). Hitler, Ribbentrop and Molotov tried to set German and Soviet spheres of influence; Hitler encouraged Molotov to look south to Iran and eventually India while preserving German access to Finland's resources, and to remove Soviet influence in the Balkans. Molotov remained firm, seeking to remove German troops from Finland and gain a warm water port in the Balkans.
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1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
And stopped reading. Correcting your historical illiteracy is not me saying the soviet union was the "best" at anything.
This seems to be more you being a moron than anything else. But I had to stop reading this comment after the first line because you're so clearly retarded this is pointless.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The Russians threw literal mountains of munitions, tanks and men at Grozny but they were stopped cold. When they abandoned Soviet tactics they won later on. Simple simple tard, the Soviet tactics were inferior and would have been annihilated against the Americans just like the Iraqis were.
Sucking daddy Stalin's dick won't change that. Empirical evidence will always win to your red fantasies.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
The only conclusion I can come to is that you are an illiterate person.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Says the guy who refuses to accept that the Soviets weren't an unstoppable military power. Or that they didn't win the war single handedly.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
Where, at any point did I claim the following:
A) the Soviets were an unstoppable military power.
B) The Soviets won ww2 single-handedly.
You're so illiterate and so blinded by your delusion you're just making shit up.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
When you started crying that the British and American bombing campaign didn't do anything.
When you refused to accept that any other power made a difference. Go back and read your own comments sperg.
Says the guy who says that chechens using Soviet training proves more than Russians being stopped using Soviet equipment and tactics. Then who goes on to say they would actually be a threat to the Americans. Uncle Sam would have made Lenin scream for his Big Mac in any real war.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
Never happened.
The illiteracy here is just staggering, I literally said the war was sped up, but the soviets would have beat Germany in the longrun for obvious reasons - if the soviets didn't exist, the US would have beat Germany in the long run as well.
This is because both the US and the soviet union had significantly more resources than Germany.
???????????????
1990s Russia wasn't a threat to the US, the soviet union before collapsing was.
http://www.readingrockets.org/helping/target/comprehension
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The Soviets sent Hitler requests for peace. They would have accepted 1914 boundaries less the Ukraine easily. They wouldn't have kept waging war, especially when they were so eager to work with Hitler beforehand regardless of what he wrote in Mein Kampft.
You literally said that the Chechens used Soviet tactics to excuse the Russian incompetence.
The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own incompetence. What makes you think their war department was exempt from that. They couldn't crush militia with homemade guns, nor could they stop mujahideen. They were weak, not strong.
Seriously though, what is it with your love for the turnip eaters? I thought you hated trump and would love to shit on the siberian snow mongrels. Apparently as soon as the Reds get exposed for being weaker than they presented themselves as you get more triggered than Chris-Chan when his attraction sign gets confiscated.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
Alright man, I refuse to believe someone could be this illiterate.
You got me, good troll.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
The only one who is illiterate is the one trying to suck Stalin dick. Soviet tactics failed in Grozny, the Russians won when they abandoned them. If the Soviets had fought the yanks they would have had the same experience but worse.
This isn't a hard point but you seem impossibly confused about this. Yet you say I'm illiterate because you can't understand this.
I mean, we already know you're retarded for how much you serious post in /r/Drama but wew fucking lad.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
You realize I called Stalin delusional in my first comment, right?
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
No, it just takes the mind of someone who seriousposts in /r/Drama to not understand that it's stupid to;
1) defend the Soviets for literally anything
2) To respond this much to a drunk asshole. I'm more gin than man right now love, but your autism can't let it go can it?
3) Unironically seriouspost here
The Soviets were just as retarded as you are. Thank god nature will sort this one out 😘
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
Why do you keep making random shit up?
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
I'm not even making shit up, you just don't know how to read comments. Not surprising for a commie to be retarded though.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
You have literally made shit up in every comment so far.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Says the guy who claimed that the chechens using Soviet training proved it worked while ignoring the fact that Soviet training failed the Russians.
This is adorable. It's like when my puppy kept spilling his water and couldn't lick it back up. You're trying so hard but you just don't get it.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
You literally just made something up in this very comment.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Nah, the trouble is you're just retarded and have the memory of a goldfish.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
I think the real trouble is you live in an alternate reality.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Nah, it's that all their seriousposting has fucked with your brain to the point that you can't even remember 5 minutes ago.
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
Right.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
It's true. You're a serial seriousposter here. Defending commies is just the gateway drug to posting in /r/EnoughTrumpSpam
1 pizzashill 2017-10-10
How many beers have you had tonight?
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
2, 5 gin and tonics though
1 SlavophilesAnonymous 2017-10-10
The thing about the Afghan War was the Soviets were running the war on a shoestring budget and mostly with Central Asian troops.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Ah yes, it was the yellow mans fault.
1 SlavophilesAnonymous 2017-10-10
Central Asians aren't yellow.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Close enough.
1 jvwoody 2017-10-10
No... we went to the moon first and you greatly overstate their capabilities. We had nukes first and more of them, our navy could've blasted them out of the water. Having more t-72's 10 years out of date does mean you can steamroll across europe.
1 watermark02 2017-10-10
The Soviets didn't really concentrate on Navy... thus, they never would've been able to launch an invasion of the US, but they pretty much would've steamrolled continental europe in any war.
1 facepicnic 2017-10-10
because the government had access to 100% of their resources which they chose to spend on trying one up the US and ignore millions of starving Ukrainians.
1 watermark02 2017-10-10
Your timeline is out of whack... Stalin did the famines in Ukraine in the 30's, the Cold War against America only started after WWII.
1 facepicnic 2017-10-10
ok a less dumb way of saying that would by is they can afford to let their people suffer.
1 no_maps_no_plans 2017-10-10
It was their undoing. They spent all their GDP on their military, and when their shekels ran out they borrowed more money for their military until they collapsed.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Point a gun at someone and you'll be surprised how hard they'll work. Deport their family and watch them kick it into overdrive.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
You forgot the part where the mill owner a city over steals your supplies because they haven't met production demands yet and he doesn't want to go to Siberia.
1 D4ddyDr4m4 2017-10-10
/u/boringsuburbanite I think you're stupid enough to be a full time poster here. Stop with the commie shit though and get with the patriotic program. Repeat after me: capitalism is good, communism is bad, white people are the worst
1 ChateauJack 2017-10-10
Who are those retarded tankies though?
Stupidly ignorant americans failed by thier school's history program?
Members of the former soviet high casts nostalgic of Comrade Lenine?
Or just parasites who try to convince themselves they are the victims?
1 AugustusTheWolf 2017-10-10
1 and 3, 2 doesn't exist outside of the kremlin.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
2 exists in all former soviet countries. I had a couple classes in University with the son of former communist party officials from Romania. He won't say what they did but after the revolution they had to leave and he's convinced that the CIA was behind Ceausescu's execution.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
1 & 3. I'm unfortunately related to #3. Apparently luxury space communism will support addicts.
1 Cant_stop-Wont_stop 2017-10-10
Easy to not have famine cycles when you get one big intentional one out of the way to kill everyone all at once.
1 BussySundae 2017-10-10
Do you actively and thoughtfully cultivate this level of ignorance or are you just really stupid /u/specterofsandersism ?
1 walkthisway34 2017-10-10
Does this fucking idiot even know that the USSR invaded Poland, the Baltic states, and Finland before their war with the Nazis? That, in fact, they were allies of the Nazis in the invasion of Poland?
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
Communists never worked with Nazis!
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-10
More apropos
http://cdn.nybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/deak_1-032113.jpg
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-10-10
You're still around? I thought you were a throwaway
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-10
Why would I throw away something so beautiful and filled with drama?
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvp-4YJzd-4
1 die_rattin 2017-10-10
Uh excuse me they liberated those peoples from capitalist tyranny so it doesn't count or something
1 CC3940A61E 2017-10-10
wow a badx sub not fellating communists?
1 JoeFalchetto 2017-10-10
r/badeconomics welcomes you.
1 UmmahSultan 2017-10-10
A dead sub whose residents fled to /r/neoliberal.
1 JoeFalchetto 2017-10-10
r/neoliberal is way more left that r/be. Unfortunately that is what happens when you only go to front page with anti-Trump posts.
1 Nirb2 2017-10-10
I specifically love this part
1920s banditry was actually not real, holodomor and starvation across the whole of the USSR at that time not real, post-war rations not real, late 80s/early 90s lack of goods crisis which indirectly led to the collapse of the USSR not real.