They compare this to Mary giving birth to Jesus at 13 or 14, but the whole point of that story was that she was a virgin, therefore there was no pedophilia. I don’t see how that’s the same at all.
That could be true, I dunno, I’m just saying that the story they preach at the pulpit doesn’t have pedophilia in it. Whether there’s a different historical story is another discussion, but that isn’t part of the religious doctrine (at least not that specific one).
uh, so youve got a dude literally older than the universe, and then he "just happens" to decide he wants to put his seed in a 13-year-old? yeah dude, definitely no pedo vibes there, totally normal
Look man it’s a story that probably was made up depending on how you talk to, I’m just saying that according to the fable there was no actual sex that went on so it wasn’t pedophilia. If you still think it’s weird that’s fine, I’m just saying it’s different than a human being marrying a nine year old girl.
Come on. I know Reddit libs love Islam simply because they hate the west and are generally non-white, but the cognitive dissonance on this one is laughable.
Islam, the way it is practiced in the middle east, is 100% antithetical to values you allegedly hold. Slavery, genocide, moral policing, murdering LGBT people, lack of women's rights, and on and on. And yet you try to equivocate jihadis and child rapists to your average law abiding, boring, somewhat annoying but ultimately well meaning western Christian. Never change, Reddit.
Slavery
Genocide
Moral policing
Murdering LGBT people
Lack of women’s rights
Jihad: effort, struggle on behalf of God or your religion
Child rapists
Average law-abiding, boring, somewhat annoying, but ultimately well-meaning
If God is real and he allowed all of these things to take place, and people still consider him their Super Daddy, does it matter when it took place? Or does it only matter that it happened at all?
It matters when it took place to the extent you are attack an institution made up of humans and how humans behave/interpret scripture.
If God is real and he allowed all of these things to take place
Thats a whole metaphysical argument that is besides the point. Assuming god exists, there are many reasons why he may allow evil to exist and one cannot ascribe to god the acts of his followers.
It matters when it took place to the extent you are attack an institution made up of humans and how humans behave/interpret scripture.
Why don’t Islam and Muslims get the same leniency?
Thats a whole metaphysical argument that is besides the point. Assuming god exists, there are many reasons why he may allow evil to exist and one cannot ascribe to god the acts of his followers.
God could prevent the birth of a particular person by dictating which sperm fuses with an egg and this wouldn’t interfere with anyone’s free will since a person can’t have free will if they don’t exist. But if a person does exist, that person is alive because God allows it. So anything a person does, whether good or evil, is condoned by God.
How many Muslims need to act like it’s the 7th century to assume they’ll all act that way? Because there are Christians that act like it’s the 7th century. How many Christians need to act like it’s the 7th century before condemning them like Muslims?
Well, we are dealing mostly with those who are invading the west. I'd say 99% of christians in the western world are not killing gays, stoning women, travelling in rape gangs, and engaging in honor killings. A large segment of the invading muslim barbarians are, however, doing just that.
Actually, the West is invading the Middle East. The Muslim insurgents are the ones trying to defend and reclaim their home from the Christian invaders. Any crimes you claim Muslims to be guilty of most likely wouldn’t have happened had Islam been free of outside influence like Europe and Christianity and gone through their own Reformation.
> Not knowing the ME was invaded for the strategic location as the crossroads into three continents and its abundance of black gold to fuel a heavily oil-dependent economy.
But yeah, the last is just America and the Soviet Union playing around in Afghanistan like it was their own sandbox, measuring each other’s dicks.
Not great, but they did the same thing in multiple other countries...and none of those have flown planes into our buildings or regularly participate in suicide bombings, so...
To people in the ME, it doesn’t matter if the US is intentionally killing them or if they’re collateral damage in a fight with someone else. It would be like Canada and Mexico fighting a war against each other in the US. Does it matter what their intentions are while Americans would be getting killed as bystanders?
The U.S. has fought a lot of wars by proxy, but only one area of the world seems to be blowing each other up with suicide bombs and flying planes into buildings.
Have you heard of kamikaze pilots during WW2? That’s also a suicide attack and Japanese pilots would regularly dive-bomb ships and bases with their planes during the war. American pilots would do the same. The pilots dropping the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagaksaki were made aware there was a chance they wouldn’t survive but they did it anyway for their country.
They think they are at war with the West. In a war against a powerful enemy, even their own lives have to be considered forfeit to successfully conduct an attack. The towers were considered part of the financial infrastructure of the US and a valid target.
Everything I’ve said is basic information you’d learn in a history course. I highly recommend you enroll in one.
Law of conservation of mass In this universe, matter cannot "poof" exist out of nowhere. Ergo, our universe must have been created by a force beyond our physical world not subject to its laws. This "force" is referred to as the "prime mover" and is not necessarily required to by sentient or involved in human affairs.
Firstly, You assume that the laws of physics were the same as before the Big Bang, when in fact they very well may not have been.
Whatever was there before is fundamentally irrelevant in how our universe currently functions.
Secondly, you also assume that whatever caused the Big Bang did not itself also have a cause.
Thirdly, you assume that such a thing as a Prime Mover is even possible. Everything we understand about the universe says that such a thing is impossible. Why do you think it might be?
Isn't asking why god doesn't stop evil people from existing like asking why world leaders don't go around stopping ants from fighting? You're operating under the assumption that god has the power to reshape anything in the universe with little to no effort. A being like that wouldn't give one molecule of shit about someone increasing the world's overall murder rate by another .001%.
I’m using the definition of God as it’s understood by mainstream Christians. If their God wouldn’t do something like decrease the murder rate by 0.001% then what’s the point in caring what God wants?
But yeah, the last is just America and the Soviet Union playing around in Afghanistan like it was their own sandbox, measuring each other’s dicks.
Not great, but they did the same thing in multiple other countries...and none of those have flown planes into our buildings or regularly participate in suicide bombings, so...
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1 SnapshillBot 2017-10-20
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1 TSA_Precheck 2017-10-20
Mohammed (PBUH) and all of his followers absolutely get bussy, Snappy. Check your sources.
1 MasterLawlz 2017-10-20
They compare this to Mary giving birth to Jesus at 13 or 14, but the whole point of that story was that she was a virgin, therefore there was no pedophilia. I don’t see how that’s the same at all.
1 life_is_painfull 2017-10-20
Wow that's actually clever, you're a clever boy Johnny
1 KokomoOReily 2017-10-20
God fucked her tho
1 pizzashill 2017-10-20
Please, we both know Mary wasn't a virgin.
1 MasterLawlz 2017-10-20
That could be true, I dunno, I’m just saying that the story they preach at the pulpit doesn’t have pedophilia in it. Whether there’s a different historical story is another discussion, but that isn’t part of the religious doctrine (at least not that specific one).
1 glmox 2017-10-20
uh, so youve got a dude literally older than the universe, and then he "just happens" to decide he wants to put his seed in a 13-year-old? yeah dude, definitely no pedo vibes there, totally normal
1 MasterLawlz 2017-10-20
Look man it’s a story that probably was made up depending on how you talk to, I’m just saying that according to the fable there was no actual sex that went on so it wasn’t pedophilia. If you still think it’s weird that’s fine, I’m just saying it’s different than a human being marrying a nine year old girl.
1 glmox 2017-10-20
>implying sex with god isnt actual sex
get the fuck away from me, heathen
1 Etra 2017-10-20
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Christianity or Islam? 🤔
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
Which century? Christianity no longer engages in such practices and acts like its the 7th century.
1 life_is_painfull 2017-10-20
I mean it does in Uganda
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
Why the fuck do I care about some third-world shithole. I am talking about people that actually fucking matter.
1 the_mystery_solver 2017-10-20
why admit you are wrong when you can just move the goalposts
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
Why are you seriousposting in r/drama?
1 the_mystery_solver 2017-10-20
I don't accept the premises of your question
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
Do non-Christian African countries do the same things?
1 StingAuer 2017-10-20
Christians from third-world shitholes don't count, but muslims from third-world shitholes do?
🤔
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
When said Muslims move here and blow shit up and rape our daughters .. yes
1 StingAuer 2017-10-20
But the Christians that already live here and blow shit up and rape our daughters are okay
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
They are not doing it because of their religion
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
They can both be bad.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-10-20
Lmaoooooooooooo
1 Etra 2017-10-20
If God is real and he allowed all of these things to take place, and people still consider him their Super Daddy, does it matter when it took place? Or does it only matter that it happened at all?
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
It matters when it took place to the extent you are attack an institution made up of humans and how humans behave/interpret scripture.
Thats a whole metaphysical argument that is besides the point. Assuming god exists, there are many reasons why he may allow evil to exist and one cannot ascribe to god the acts of his followers.
1 Etra 2017-10-20
Why don’t Islam and Muslims get the same leniency?
God could prevent the birth of a particular person by dictating which sperm fuses with an egg and this wouldn’t interfere with anyone’s free will since a person can’t have free will if they don’t exist. But if a person does exist, that person is alive because God allows it. So anything a person does, whether good or evil, is condoned by God.
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
Because they still act like its the 7th century!
1 Etra 2017-10-20
How many Muslims need to act like it’s the 7th century to assume they’ll all act that way? Because there are Christians that act like it’s the 7th century. How many Christians need to act like it’s the 7th century before condemning them like Muslims?
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
Well, we are dealing mostly with those who are invading the west. I'd say 99% of christians in the western world are not killing gays, stoning women, travelling in rape gangs, and engaging in honor killings. A large segment of the invading muslim barbarians are, however, doing just that.
1 Etra 2017-10-20
Actually, the West is invading the Middle East. The Muslim insurgents are the ones trying to defend and reclaim their home from the Christian invaders. Any crimes you claim Muslims to be guilty of most likely wouldn’t have happened had Islam been free of outside influence like Europe and Christianity and gone through their own Reformation.
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
If they weren’t such lunatics, they probably wouldn’t have been invaded.
1 Etra 2017-10-20
> Not knowing the ME was invaded for the strategic location as the crossroads into three continents and its abundance of black gold to fuel a heavily oil-dependent economy.
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
> Not knowing that invasions are a pretty hard sell when lunatics aren’t flying planes into buildings full of your countrymen.
1 Etra 2017-10-20
> Not knowing the West has been invading the Middle East since around 300 BCE by Alexander the Great.
> Not knowing the first “modern invasion” was the First Anglo-Afghan War in 1839.
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
> Suicide bombing innocent people because of wars during antiquity and/or a war 200 years ago.
> somehow not lunatics
1 Etra 2017-10-20
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
Still mostly wars from before people were born.
But yeah, the last is just America and the Soviet Union playing around in Afghanistan like it was their own sandbox, measuring each other’s dicks.
Not great, but they did the same thing in multiple other countries...and none of those have flown planes into our buildings or regularly participate in suicide bombings, so...
1 Etra 2017-10-20
To people in the ME, it doesn’t matter if the US is intentionally killing them or if they’re collateral damage in a fight with someone else. It would be like Canada and Mexico fighting a war against each other in the US. Does it matter what their intentions are while Americans would be getting killed as bystanders?
And there have been plenty of attacks against the West in other countries: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_diplomatic_missions.
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
The U.S. has fought a lot of wars by proxy, but only one area of the world seems to be blowing each other up with suicide bombs and flying planes into buildings.
1 Etra 2017-10-20
Have you heard of kamikaze pilots during WW2? That’s also a suicide attack and Japanese pilots would regularly dive-bomb ships and bases with their planes during the war. American pilots would do the same. The pilots dropping the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagaksaki were made aware there was a chance they wouldn’t survive but they did it anyway for their country.
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
You mean, like fighter pilots in a war?
And against war assets like ships and bases?
Full of soldiers?!
Well that’s totally the same. I guess that’s really means that the people behind 9/11 aren’t lunatics at all.
1 Etra 2017-10-20
They think they are at war with the West. In a war against a powerful enemy, even their own lives have to be considered forfeit to successfully conduct an attack. The towers were considered part of the financial infrastructure of the US and a valid target.
Everything I’ve said is basic information you’d learn in a history course. I highly recommend you enroll in one.
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
Yeah, they think they are at war with the entirely of the United States.
And they think that blowing up innocent civilians is both justified and will somehow help them win this “war”.
As I said, lunatics. You have done nothing but provide evidence of their lunacy.
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
Only if your conception of god is an omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent being.
Those of us who believe merely in a prime mover think differently.
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
A prime mover sounds like a pretty useless God, tbh.
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
Use has nothing to do with it. Its a matter of logical first principles.
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
What is logical about a prime mover?
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
Law of conservation of mass In this universe, matter cannot "poof" exist out of nowhere. Ergo, our universe must have been created by a force beyond our physical world not subject to its laws. This "force" is referred to as the "prime mover" and is not necessarily required to by sentient or involved in human affairs.
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
Firstly, You assume that the laws of physics were the same as before the Big Bang, when in fact they very well may not have been.
Whatever was there before is fundamentally irrelevant in how our universe currently functions.
Secondly, you also assume that whatever caused the Big Bang did not itself also have a cause.
Thirdly, you assume that such a thing as a Prime Mover is even possible. Everything we understand about the universe says that such a thing is impossible. Why do you think it might be?
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
Hence, the prime mover or "first cause."
The nature of the "prime mover" force is that it is external to the universe.
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
There is no reason for us to believe that anything exists outside of the universe.
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
Then how was the universe created?
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
We don’t know.
1 Successful-Troll 2017-10-20
Believing in a prime mover is no more or less rational that spontaneous existence.
1 SpectroSpecter 2017-10-20
Isn't asking why god doesn't stop evil people from existing like asking why world leaders don't go around stopping ants from fighting? You're operating under the assumption that god has the power to reshape anything in the universe with little to no effort. A being like that wouldn't give one molecule of shit about someone increasing the world's overall murder rate by another .001%.
1 Etra 2017-10-20
I’m using the definition of God as it’s understood by mainstream Christians. If their God wouldn’t do something like decrease the murder rate by 0.001% then what’s the point in caring what God wants?
1 imaginarycreatures 2017-10-20
Look, I know you love raping children and murdering gay people, but "the muslims do it too" isn't really a moral justification for your degeneracy.
1 Etra 2017-10-20
I am a Christian and I love raping children and murdering gay people. I’m just angry the Muslims do it better.
1 glmox 2017-10-20
idk, im p sure the catholics are the heavyweight champs when it comes to raping children rn
1 Etra 2017-10-20
The Mormons aren’t far behind the Catholics and Muslims for the title of most prolific pedophiles.
1 glmox 2017-10-20
tru, definitely a contender to watch
1 boyoyoyoyong 2017-10-20
u/Edymnion Mary was a virgin no gussy penetration necessary.
1 TheJum 2017-10-20
Still mostly wars from before people were born.
But yeah, the last is just America and the Soviet Union playing around in Afghanistan like it was their own sandbox, measuring each other’s dicks.
Not great, but they did the same thing in multiple other countries...and none of those have flown planes into our buildings or regularly participate in suicide bombings, so...