Imagine paying a man to make videos reading out the contents of any dollar-store self help paperback and thinking you’ve stumbled upon something incredible.
To be fair the to Peterson Tards, most of the philosophy community would unironically prefer that academics would stick to their Ivory tower addicted to adderall and crack-cocaine with a career total of 3 citations of their collection of academic papers
There's certainly some of that on the analytic side. What the analytics consider important philosophical problems are generally not considered interesting by the general public. The continentals are basically a freak show, but are willing to talk about things the general public finds interesting. Given all of this, I'm generally in favor of the recent cropping up of more main stream public intellectuals.
The continentals are basically a freak show, but are willing to talk about things the general public finds interesting.
I imagine that if you took the top 10 best-selling philosophy books in the past decade, more of them would be written by people who identify more as analytic than continental.
To be fair, I'm biased towards analytic philosophy and just can't imagine people finding Hagel "interesting", but maybe there are better examples out there.
That's probably true, there's definitely a market for more analytic philosophers. My point about many continental philosophers is that they talk about issues people care about but not in a way people care about as measured by things like book sales. Or at least not since the 70's.
Just War Theory is one of my favorite autistic make-work programs.
The runner up is the quantification of the locus of mathematical objectivity in order to address the problem of what counts as a valid and sound argument for or against a mathematical axiom in light of the problem of meshing said axioms with CH... you know... so big data will work better. But I've had an intellectual pseudocrush on a certain prominent Phil of Math goddess. So I couldn't put that as my #1.
Peterson rails against "post modernists" and the badphil people I guess correctly take him to task on what a "post modernist" is, but the thing is everybody knows exactly who Peterson is talking about and there are lot of people like that in the public discourse. Like the badphil argument glommed onto some stupid naming mistake or whatever and it's pretty lame that they're just stuck fighting that unimportant battle as if it decisively defeats Peterson.
I saw an interview the other day that said he pulls in $65k/month on Patreon. I think his interviews and lectures are interesting, but that seems excessive to me.
He's almost making as much as the ChapoTrapHouse podcast.
I don't know I've never actually watched their podcast I'm just an agenda poster who loves to bring up whataboutism to hide Jordan Peterson's retardedness
Jordan Peterson at least is less retarded then the Memo memehouse guys. I have never actually herd him speak but I don't believe it is possible to be more retarded then them.
I actually really liked the clean your room one. Essentially its about getting your life in order before you start getting into politics. I spent lot of time last year joining random idiotic online groups like incels and hoteps .I was mostly doing it because I felt like shit but instead of dealing with it and i was whinning about mayos and femoids. Jordan's clean your room meme resonated with me.
Am still an online retard but at least am conscious.
It was only a matter of time before someone came along and capitalized on right-wing internet extremists.
The left has had people like this for years. I'm only amazed it took so long for one as competent as Peterson to show up.
I spent a while hanging around the "manosphere" and the "stoic" community and few things alarm me like they did. It's just a massive cult waiting to be harvested. My friend went down the redpill rabit hole a few years ago and just spends an absurd amount of money on self-help book and repeating bullshit he's heard from right-wing pseudo-intellectuals. It's scary.
It was only a matter of time before someone came along and capitalized on the large number of disenfranchised young men that exist on the internet.
These guys are ripe for the plucking. They probably make up over 95% of the population over at the Donald, KIA, rconspiracy, etc etc.
SJWs basically took over the mainstream internet outlets and declared war on them and now they're just radicalizing and guys like Peterson come along and make a fortune.
I'm going to unironically blame feminism for the alt-right, internet feminism to be exact.
To call them cucks would only scratch the surface of /r/BadPhilosophy. It doesn't begin to describe them.
A philosophical "humor" sub that censors and deletes comments, brigades heavily, and bans any users with differing viewpoints. The users are all scared of being banned so they fall in line and bully the perceived inferior minded masses.
It's run by middling philosophy students that use reddit to feel relevant, through anonymity, because in real life they're obviously embittered by their own shortcomings. They pawn off their emotional opinions as fact using the SEP.
Badphilosophy is askphilosophy without the fluff and flair. Same handful of dudes, with the same amount of academic prejudice and faux elitism. I actually doubt many of them have the expertise they claim to have. I've seen users get flair by simply spitting jargon and claiming they're a grad student. It's a club. I've spent some time reading old posts and history of many of the users and moderators. It's laughable. Check it out sometime. Same group of self-righteous spergs who actually brag about how much they drink...
They're better than you because they wrote a thesis and use latin phrases like "prima facie" and use jargon criminally. I'd like to see some of those papers by the way-I'm sure they're all top notch.
We've been collectively pigeon-holed as a certain thing: a "Petersite" aka Parasite– for apparently not sharing the same amount of rabid, narrow-minded rigidity and tribalism via philosophical positions that they have. They use the comically horrible op-ed hit pieces as source... It's really cute. Omer, Aslan, Greenwald, Hedges, etc. are their allies. Oh and by the way, we're all racist islamophobes.
It boils down to them getting fed up with people asking questions about philosophy through Jordan, lauding Peterson as a great thinker & philosopher— so they created a backlashed bubble of denialism.
Here's one of many posts where they attempt to weasel out of their dishonest strawmanning.
To call them cucks would only scratch the surface of /r/BadPhilosophy. It doesn't begin to describe them.
A philosophical "humor" sub that censors and deletes comments, brigades heavily, and bans any users with differing viewpoints. The users are all scared of being banned so they fall in line and bully the perceived inferior minded masses.
It's run by middling philosophy students that use reddit to feel relevant, through anonymity, because in real life they're obviously embittered by their own shortcomings. They pawn off their emotional opinions as fact using the SEP.
Badphilosophy is askphilosophy without the fluff and flair. Same handful of dudes, with the same amount of academic prejudice and faux elitism. I actually doubt many of them have the expertise they claim to have. I've seen users get flair by simply spitting jargon and claiming they're a grad student. It's a club. I've spent some time reading old posts and history of many of the users and moderators. It's laughable. Check it out sometime. Same group of self-righteous spergs who actually brag about how much they drink...
They're better than you because they wrote a thesis and use latin phrases like "prima facie" and use jargon criminally. I'd like to see some of those papers by the way-I'm sure they're all top notch.
We've been collectively pigeon-holed as a certain thing: a "Petersite" aka Parasite– for apparently not sharing the same amount of rabid, narrow-minded rigidity and tribalism via philosophical positions that they have. They use the comically horrible op-ed hit pieces as source... It's really cute. Omer, Aslan, Greenwald, Hedges, etc. are their allies. Oh and by the way, we're all racist islamophobes.
It boils down to them getting fed up with people asking questions about philosophy through Jordan, lauding Peterson as a great thinker & philosopher— so they created a backlashed bubble of denialism.
Here's one of many posts where they attempt to weasel out of their dishonest strawmanning.
Yes but the people saying that didn't try to justify not liking it by some authority of consensus. They're not criticizing current philosophical norms, they're enforcing them.
at least the Marxist/retards can actually read and write, where-as the others need a 3 hour youtube lecture about the metaphysics of pepe the frog in order to activate their shriveled, underused almonds.
He's succesful outside of the university circlejerks, put his psychology courses on Youtube for free, and is financially succesful.
This isn't supposed to happen in academia.
Professors have to stay in their lanes without ever disrupting the gatekeeping...researching stuff that nobody cares about, to be debunked 5 years later, without ever reaching any kind of notoriety or wealth.
This makes me miss college. Me and some friends had a rule that we'd intrude on any conversations we overheard at parties about this and free will. It wasn't that any particular position was offensive to us, but talking about it at parties was just really, really stupid.
Tons of professors are wealthy/successful though. Most lefties don’t like him because he’s right wing, obviously. That said, there’s a good case to be made that he’s essentially selling basic self-help life coaching and calling it some deep philosophy. There’s no advice Peterson gives that wasn’t in How to Win Friends... 80 years ago.
Peterson's popularity is on an entire other level though, isn't it? I mean, he regularly gets millions of views per video on Youtube, his 10 Commandments 12 Life Rules book is now the best selling book on Amazon, his debate on Chan4 last week is now the 4th most watched video on their channel at 5 million views...and it's a 30mn long debate.
I can't think of any other professor on that level. In psychology, there's Steven Pinker that I know of, maybe?
It doesn't help that he doesn't have a clue about the philosophy stuff he's talking about. It's like an archeology professor trying to criticise a physicist.
Id say he has pretty well formed ideas, its just that he isnt trained as a philosopher and doesnt use the same terms or he uses them in different ways.
I don't think he's a fraud, but when he talks about philosophy he isn't as knowledgable as he is about psychology (I think at least, I don't know anything about psychology but it looks like he knows what he's talking about) and he makes mistakes.
Well he is a professor of psychology and a practicing clinical psychologist so that makes sense. Maybe its because I come from a more historical background where non-historians writing history is a fairly common thing, but I really hate this gatekeeping that says that just because people like Jordan Peterson havent devoted their lives to philosophy that they cant intelligently engage with the field, and even if he makes mistakes when engaging philosophy in my opinion he still engages it intelligently.
If you're gonna go in all guns blazing you gota know what you're talking about though. It's not just gate-keeping. Plus he's a professor, he knows what academic standards look like. If someone shat on Jung without knowing what he was talking about I'm sure he'd be annoyed as well.
just because people like Jordan Peterson havent devoted their lives to philosophy that they cant intelligently engage with the field
no no, you dont understand. the issue is that jordan peterson is incapable of intelligently engaging with anything. how much time hes spent studying the field is irrelevant.
Being a tenured academic is awesome. One of my friends teaches at a law school in Boston and he just shitposts on Twitter all day before going to the bar.
There’s no advice Peterson gives that wasn’t in How to Win Friends... 80 years ago.
You're saying this like a criticism of JP and not a huge indictment of contemporary philosophy in that it has fuckall to offer to the alienated young men who make up his audience
You do realize that's pretty much the entire reason for its existence and the reason it continues to be taught, right? It's not just a jobs program for unemployables
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand
The guy fundamentally doesn't understand the concepts he is talking about
Sounds like shitty gatekeeping tbh, like when you critique someone and they demand that you read a dozen books and respond to the entire underlying corpus of thought. If you want to disagree persuasively, elucidate.
Thinking postmodernism and marxism are funtamentally not just worthless but a complete disaster shows an acute understanding of the subject matter actually.
he’s also a pussy about religion. always dodges pertinent questions about it with some dumbass excuse and is afraid to say he believes in god and the after life.
It's more that he's middling academic with some mildly right-wing views that's treated prophet by his followers because he complains about SJWs in fancy terms and tells them to clean their room because Jung said it was a good idea.
There's nothing that special about him either way. He's just a life coach for disaffected NEETs.
Deprogramming is a time sink and usually fruitless. One could spend a whole day refuting Peterson's philosophical claims but, end of the day, they will still defend him on the basis of his self-help material alone, an ironic example of "feels before reals" which they accuse of "SJWs."
u/shitgenstein that sure is a lot of words to say "I can't actually rebut any of Petersen's ideas"
So what makes these dudes any different from SJWs? I really want to ping sourdave and ask him what he meant about his guess that badphil is 99% male “(if that means anything)” he knows damn well what it means.
I dont believe in unconditional access. I believe it is cowardly to have a public forum were you relentlessly mock people and then ban them when they try to justify themselves. that behavior lacks any pretense of honor, it is despicalbe. You are not violating any legal rights doing so, but that is completely besides the point. You are not doing so either if you eat shit. I am still entitled to find either behavior disgusting.
That Jordan Peterson makes straight up idiotic and hypocritical claims about philosophy and his devoted followers, such as yourselves, for the most part guzzle it all down with glee. Deprogramming is a time sink and usually fruitless. One could spend a whole day refuting Peterson's philosophical claims but, end of the day, they will still defend him on the basis of his self-help material alone, an ironic example of "feels before reals" which they accuse of "SJWs."
Difference being that /r/badphilosophy is a circlejerk sub that doesn't represent anything, doesn't solicit or even pretend to solicit a worldview, doesn't want attention despite the attention it gets anyway, doesn't have a patreon, doesn't do interviews, doesn't publish self-help books, doesn't produce hours upon hours of youtube videos, etc.
But they do pretend to be knowledgeable about philosophy and pretend to be capable of judging others. Not being a public figure doesn't justify being simultaneously so ignorant and arrogant.
So /r/badphilosophy is hypocritical and therefore like Jordan Peterson just in being hypocritical or in everything else as well?
Anyway, let's see it. Where does /r/badphilosophy make claims to knowledge that is evidently unjustified? Are these claims by mods or random commenters? How are they distinguishable as pretended rather than actual?
You're right, /r/badphilosophy commenters, including the upvoted ones, are for the most part hypocritical pieces of shit that know almost fuck all about philosophy. Not enough time in the day to ban enough to make the sub any noticeably better.
You sperged out for 5 or 6 comments there about him including an excelent rant about how much of a winner you are and what a great sunday you had. I know you used to sperg out a bit in askphilosophy everytime there was a thread about him too. Why not accept that it bothers you at least a tiny bit? or that you all would be so much much more lenient if we were talking about left wing badphilosophy? I mean maybe I am wrong about you, maybe you dedicate the same exact amount of time towards left wing badphilosophy and get equally mad, I dont buy it from anyone else who posts on bp though
Seriously, who gives a shit. Who gives a shit about the existence of Jordan Peterson. What do you think is going to happen to tge world because of him? how is normal to have an entire sub full of people obsessed over him? there is at least 20 threads on askphilosophy about him full of answers from very angry people that also shit on him in any of the two thousand threads about him that there are in badphilosophy. That isnt obsession?
Guy is a hack, probably morally bad in many areas like most people and is just trying to make money out of some dumb people on the internet, have some crazy fans and some normal ones who dont quite understand on what he is wrong. A no one
Yeah, nothing too extraordinary or that bad
Or, you know, realize it's just one subreddit of many on a website and not worth being upset about. That people who don't agree with you on political and social matters can still be kind and considerate individuals when not taken in the narrow medium of internet comments.
Please, for the sake of my sanity, tell me you see the irony.
Why not accept that it bothers you at least a tiny bit?
Oh, for sure I admit that. The thing that gets me is when a view is bad in a perplexing and/or interesting way. It's like a puzzle, a big Gordian knot of nonsense. This is why I don't give a shit about someone like Ben Shapiro or even Sam Harris, at least as much as others do. They're wrong but in boring ways. Even for a long while I didn't give a fuck about Peterson, figuring just an academic bleating the usual rant against political correctness and whatever. Boring. But then I heard bits about his rants against "postmodern Neo-Marxists" and then pretensions to pragmatism and then learned he has a bizarrely fundamentalist view of Jungian archetypes of all things. A tantalizing mess of nonsense. Like, if you took his book, Maps of Meaning, and not (~) in front of it, it'd be a great book!
And then alt-lite STEMlords, or wannabe STEMlords, went from whining about how bullshitty and unscientific their literary criticism class is to this guy who made a career out of it but in a way that flatters their social and political views, which is funny to me.
I mean maybe I am wrong about you, maybe you dedicate the same exact amount of time towards left wing badphilosophy and get equally mad
I'm not all that aware of left-wing stuff that gets philosophical at all. The closest I can think of is Slavoj Zizek but his nonsense is not systematic enough to trigger anything like the above. His Lacan and Hegel stuff, I hear, isn't garbage and then he's got some jokes or hot takes. Boring. I'd still ban/delete meme or reference to him on /r/badphilosophy, though, because Zizek goons are comparable to Peterson's.
Please, for the sake of my sanity, tell me you see the irony.
It's not less true if I should heed my own advice.
But then I heard bits about his rants against "postmodern Neo-Marxists" and then pretensions to pragmatism and then learned he has a bizarrely fundamentalist view of Jungian archetypes of all things.
That sounds weird, now I want to take a look at it.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-01-29
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1 better_bot 2018-01-29
Lmao, holy shit. OP was there to witness the single user sub that put them over the edge. And he mods the JP memepage.
What a fucking loser.
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-01-29
Clean your room dude it is not that hard.
1 better_bot 2018-01-29
I blame postmodern cultural marxists for normalizing dirty rooms.
1 aqouta 2018-01-29
This but unironically. So many fucking disgusting rooms when visiting millenials.
1 grungebot5000 2018-01-29
maybe clean people would rather you avoid their house
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-01-29
Almost like the value of a clean room is relative to your goals...
1 gez_muss_weg 2018-01-29
normalizing degeneracy
1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
Imagine paying a man to make videos reading out the contents of any dollar-store self help paperback and thinking you’ve stumbled upon something incredible.
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-01-29
I just suppose these people never had a mother and were never told to clean their rooms.
1 UnluckyImp22 2018-01-29
The problem is they didn't have a father to beat them into cleaning their room. I blame feminism.
1 JasonJewnova 2018-01-29
I'm sensing a gap in the market here 🤔
1 I_DRINK_TO_FORGET 2018-01-29
This makes the most logical sense.
1 nithingpole 2018-01-29
But you don't understand! He gives the Jungian reasons why not to live in filth.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2018-01-29
To be fair the to Peterson Tards, most of the philosophy community would unironically prefer that academics would stick to their Ivory tower addicted to adderall and crack-cocaine with a career total of 3 citations of their collection of academic papers
1 jorio 2018-01-29
There's certainly some of that on the analytic side. What the analytics consider important philosophical problems are generally not considered interesting by the general public. The continentals are basically a freak show, but are willing to talk about things the general public finds interesting. Given all of this, I'm generally in favor of the recent cropping up of more main stream public intellectuals.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-01-29
Anyone willing to improve the world incrementally has my vote.
1 aqouta 2018-01-29
I'd rather continuous improvement.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-01-29
Not necessarily mutually exclusive.
1 aqouta 2018-01-29
It's either incremental or continuous you brainlet, they're literally mutually exclusive.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-01-29
It's a moot point but it's not.
It's a matter of time slice. Go back to diffential integral or differential calculus.
1 aqouta 2018-01-29
Slices are an approximation tool.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-01-29
Here we are... agreeing again... lol
I hate /r/drama for making me weak and fluffy.
1 aqouta 2018-01-29
I though it was my sea blue eyes that did that.
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-29
get a room you fucking nerds
1 error404brain 2018-01-29
Please don't, I already have my dick out.
1 ffbtaw 2018-01-29
Depends on the granularity at which you quantify progress. We live in a discrete world after all.
1 3E4K3RWRGZPR970NVH28 2018-01-29
Nah, it's just the simulator's resolution isn't all that good.
1 mtg_liebestod 2018-01-29
I imagine that if you took the top 10 best-selling philosophy books in the past decade, more of them would be written by people who identify more as analytic than continental.
To be fair, I'm biased towards analytic philosophy and just can't imagine people finding Hagel "interesting", but maybe there are better examples out there.
1 jorio 2018-01-29
That's probably true, there's definitely a market for more analytic philosophers. My point about many continental philosophers is that they talk about issues people care about but not in a way people care about as measured by things like book sales. Or at least not since the 70's.
1 better_bot 2018-01-29
Philosophy departments are make-work programs for high functioning autists from rich families and it works.
1 grungebot5000 2018-01-29
Pays off too. Sometimes they tell us which animals we could be killing
1 johnboyauto 2018-01-29
Or which people.
1 grungebot5000 2018-01-29
That counts!
1 johnboyauto 2018-01-29
Just War Theory is one of my favorite autistic make-work programs. The runner up is the quantification of the locus of mathematical objectivity in order to address the problem of what counts as a valid and sound argument for or against a mathematical axiom in light of the problem of meshing said axioms with CH... you know... so big data will work better. But I've had an intellectual pseudocrush on a certain prominent Phil of Math goddess. So I couldn't put that as my #1.
1 grungebot5000 2018-01-29
lol what the fuck
1 mr_almeida 2018-01-29
Peterson rails against "post modernists" and the badphil people I guess correctly take him to task on what a "post modernist" is, but the thing is everybody knows exactly who Peterson is talking about and there are lot of people like that in the public discourse. Like the badphil argument glommed onto some stupid naming mistake or whatever and it's pretty lame that they're just stuck fighting that unimportant battle as if it decisively defeats Peterson.
1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
Imagine duping losers out of $750,000 a year on Patreon by rehashing generic self-help philosophy for people who watch Sargon videos.
Say what you will, that’s a skill.
1 BarrikadeJ 2018-01-29
Especially when the videos are free.
1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
There’s got to be something cucked about middle class kids donating their allowance to a rich leaf college professor.
1 saint2e 2018-01-29
I saw an interview the other day that said he pulls in $65k/month on Patreon. I think his interviews and lectures are interesting, but that seems excessive to me.
He's almost making as much as the ChapoTrapHouse podcast.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2018-01-29
Now THAT is retarded. At least Peterson came from a moderately respectable academic background
1 saint2e 2018-01-29
I've never actually watched/listened to CTH, but aren't they mostly entertainment with a commie slant?
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2018-01-29
I don't know I've never actually watched their podcast I'm just an agenda poster who loves to bring up whataboutism to hide Jordan Peterson's retardedness
1 saint2e 2018-01-29
At least you're honest.
1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
I can appreciate this
1 TheHeroReditDeserves 2018-01-29
Jordan Peterson at least is less retarded then the Memo memehouse guys. I have never actually herd him speak but I don't believe it is possible to be more retarded then them.
1 Orsonius 2018-01-29
I mean to be fair.
The CTH people are more than one person, so even if they have more income on patreon it would be split among multiple people and not just one guy
1 VapeOnYourNape 2018-01-29
Hey the head of CTH comes from pristine CIA bloodline.
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-01-29
Symbiotic relationship really, someone has to brain murder them to need Peterson to tell them to clean their room.
1 aqouta 2018-01-29
Eh, he's been in academics and had to talk to whiney crazy people for decades, I'm ok with him winning the lottery off of closet conservatives.
1 saint2e 2018-01-29
The fact that he's received pressure to shut up from his superiors of UofT makes me okay with him having an alternative income stream as well.
1 UnluckyImp22 2018-01-29
I pointed this out to the chapo chupas the other day but they didn't want to hear it because theirs are the righteous maymays.
1 saint2e 2018-01-29
At least he didn't pose in front of a problematic person's star on the walk of fame and smile. That would've been especially egregious.
1 lincoln1222 2018-01-29
chapo is right about the whole Kermit thing tho lol
1 life_is_painfull 2018-01-29
there are a lot of good gems in his videos, I don't agree with all his ideas.
1 UmmahSultan 2018-01-29
Go ahead and post the very best one, so that I can make fun of you for thinking that generic self-help advice is profound philosophy.
1 life_is_painfull 2018-01-29
I actually really liked the clean your room one. Essentially its about getting your life in order before you start getting into politics. I spent lot of time last year joining random idiotic online groups like incels and hoteps .I was mostly doing it because I felt like shit but instead of dealing with it and i was whinning about mayos and femoids. Jordan's clean your room meme resonated with me.
Am still an online retard but at least am conscious.
1 lickedTators 2018-01-29
Well. This is definitely retarded.
1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
If you don't clean you're room you're a failed slob from day one tbh. That isn't self help, it's basic hygiene.
1 life_is_painfull 2018-01-29
clean your room is a metaphor for get your life in order.
1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
> getting my life in order
I'd rather stay here, thanks
1 life_is_painfull 2018-01-29
r/drama is literally the underworld bucko, if you want to save your father from chaos you must literally slain the dragons who mod this sub.
1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
fortunately for them I'm a lifelong opponent of eugenics
1 snallygaster 2018-01-29
Wow rude!
1 life_is_painfull 2018-01-29
RELEASE MY FATHER DEMON SPAWN.
1 5e84d5539181a3fd3287 2018-01-29
Metaphors are useless
1 UmmahSultan 2018-01-29
Hmm, so basically his advice is "don't be a loser". Wow, mind blown.
1 life_is_painfull 2018-01-29
no don't bring your baggage into politics.
1 TrumpEnergy 2018-01-29
I agree take my up vote. btw don't be late for the wolf kin March tomorrow, shortly after that we need to attend the lecture on thin privelege.
1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
imagine participating somewhat intelligently in SSC, and then releasing the textual diarrhea you've just spewed into this thread above
1 pizzashill 2018-01-29
It was only a matter of time before someone came along and capitalized on right-wing internet extremists.
The left has had people like this for years. I'm only amazed it took so long for one as competent as Peterson to show up.
I spent a while hanging around the "manosphere" and the "stoic" community and few things alarm me like they did. It's just a massive cult waiting to be harvested. My friend went down the redpill rabit hole a few years ago and just spends an absurd amount of money on self-help book and repeating bullshit he's heard from right-wing pseudo-intellectuals. It's scary.
1 pizzashill 2018-01-29
It was only a matter of time before someone came along and capitalized on the large number of disenfranchised young men that exist on the internet.
These guys are ripe for the plucking. They probably make up over 95% of the population over at the Donald, KIA, rconspiracy, etc etc.
SJWs basically took over the mainstream internet outlets and declared war on them and now they're just radicalizing and guys like Peterson come along and make a fortune.
I'm going to unironically blame feminism for the alt-right, internet feminism to be exact.
1 ironicshitpostr 2018-01-29
It's actually Gamergate's fault. If only we had listened to Jack Thompson and banned video games decades ago.
1 oshnyve 2018-01-29
this but unironically
1 ironicshitpostr 2018-01-29
I was deadly serious.
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-01-29
WE DIDN'T LISTEN
1 snappleteadrink 2018-01-29
"Rabbithole" like it'd that bad if you were on here all day ranting about something different
1 mtg_liebestod 2018-01-29
You're not the first. The alt-right is basically a "same tactics, different targets" version of SJWs.
1 CultOfCuck 2018-01-29
To call them cucks would only scratch the surface of /r/BadPhilosophy. It doesn't begin to describe them.
A philosophical "humor" sub that censors and deletes comments, brigades heavily, and bans any users with differing viewpoints. The users are all scared of being banned so they fall in line and bully the perceived inferior minded masses.
It's run by middling philosophy students that use reddit to feel relevant, through anonymity, because in real life they're obviously embittered by their own shortcomings. They pawn off their emotional opinions as fact using the SEP.
Badphilosophy is askphilosophy without the fluff and flair. Same handful of dudes, with the same amount of academic prejudice and faux elitism. I actually doubt many of them have the expertise they claim to have. I've seen users get flair by simply spitting jargon and claiming they're a grad student. It's a club. I've spent some time reading old posts and history of many of the users and moderators. It's laughable. Check it out sometime. Same group of self-righteous spergs who actually brag about how much they drink...
They're better than you because they wrote a thesis and use latin phrases like "prima facie" and use jargon criminally. I'd like to see some of those papers by the way-I'm sure they're all top notch.
We've been collectively pigeon-holed as a certain thing: a "Petersite" aka Parasite– for apparently not sharing the same amount of rabid, narrow-minded rigidity and tribalism via philosophical positions that they have. They use the comically horrible op-ed hit pieces as source... It's really cute. Omer, Aslan, Greenwald, Hedges, etc. are their allies. Oh and by the way, we're all racist islamophobes.
It boils down to them getting fed up with people asking questions about philosophy through Jordan, lauding Peterson as a great thinker & philosopher— so they created a backlashed bubble of denialism.
Here's one of many posts where they attempt to weasel out of their dishonest strawmanning.
https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/4fwav6/rbadphilosophy_discuss_how_sams_supposed_nemesis/
1 3134552767 2018-01-29
That's a lot of words.
How in the fuck are they even feeling relevant
1 JohnTheOrc 2018-01-29
This is a terrible copypasta
1 CultOfCuck 2018-01-29
It's a relevant copypasta tho.
1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
if this isn’t pasta then wtf was that
1 Hitlery_Clinton 2018-01-29
I have to say, though, it’s more or less on point
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-29
you can just say "they're a bunch of fags" you know
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-01-29
They're a bunch of fags and they're gay
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-29
so much better. i think we should add "they suck dicks" too in case someone missed the point.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-01-29
/r/badphilosophy is now to philosophy what /r/BlackPeopleTwitter is to black people.
1 ShoeCrab 2018-01-29
It went bad when it turned into /r/philosophyidontlike.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-01-29
You do realize philosophy evolved by someone saying “I don’t like this explanation”?
1 aqouta 2018-01-29
Yes but the people saying that didn't try to justify not liking it by some authority of consensus. They're not criticizing current philosophical norms, they're enforcing them.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-01-29
I see what you meant now.
Agreed.
/* let's get back that other thread on the verge of splitting back to normal...
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-01-29
Philosophy is basically democracy, and the more democratic it is the more philosophical
1 grungebot5000 2018-01-29
no, that's when it went dumb, but that was like immediately.
didn't get bad till like, last year
1 ShoeCrab 2018-01-29
What happened last year? Besides Trump.
1 grungebot5000 2018-01-29
The mods just finally got really shitty lol
1 ShoeCrab 2018-01-29
What happened to the mods? And you mean feels are reals?
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-01-29
Of course they are. Turns out Hume was right about everything
1 ShoeCrab 2018-01-29
That scottish cocksucker. We wouldn't be in this mess if it weren't for him.
Also i see you are an exmuslim as well. How many apostates are there on this sub?
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1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
someone post the ‘the whites are at it again’ picture pls
1 better_bot 2018-01-29
I'll do you one better
1 grungebot5000 2018-01-29
wow, that IS better
1 cheeZetoastee 2018-01-29
Hard to choose a side here. MAGAtards vs literal marxists/retards.
1 aqouta 2018-01-29
Memerson isn't maga. Just pro frog.
1 cheeZetoastee 2018-01-29
As if that's better.
1 Zac1453 2018-01-29
at least the Marxist/retards can actually read and write, where-as the others need a 3 hour youtube lecture about the metaphysics of pepe the frog in order to activate their shriveled, underused almonds.
1 cheeZetoastee 2018-01-29
And they don't TYPE LIKE this, but they actually do think the revolution will surely work next time it's tried.
1 Rith2 2018-01-29
Ahhahaahhah FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGOT
1 die_rattin 2018-01-29
Imagine thinking that internet marxists 'can actually read and write'
1 nanonan 2018-01-29
What's the use of reading and writing if you can't comprehend though.
1 no_maps_no_plans 2018-01-29
i didn't see a post there with legit criticism of le clean your room man
can someone give me a quick rundown why he's apparently bat shit retarded?
1 ChateauJack 2018-01-29
He's succesful outside of the university circlejerks, put his psychology courses on Youtube for free, and is financially succesful. This isn't supposed to happen in academia.
Professors have to stay in their lanes without ever disrupting the gatekeeping...researching stuff that nobody cares about, to be debunked 5 years later, without ever reaching any kind of notoriety or wealth.
And they have to be smugly happy about that.
1 better_bot 2018-01-29
This makes me miss college. Me and some friends had a rule that we'd intrude on any conversations we overheard at parties about this and free will. It wasn't that any particular position was offensive to us, but talking about it at parties was just really, really stupid.
1 aqouta 2018-01-29
Those people were trying to get laid you knobs.
1 better_bot 2018-01-29
And that's why we fucked them.
1 aqouta 2018-01-29
You should be put down for your crimes against hookups.
1 better_bot 2018-01-29
How can you charge me for this crime when we clearly live in a deterministic reality?
1 aqouta 2018-01-29
How can I not?
1 better_bot 2018-01-29
Goddammit.
1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
Tons of professors are wealthy/successful though. Most lefties don’t like him because he’s right wing, obviously. That said, there’s a good case to be made that he’s essentially selling basic self-help life coaching and calling it some deep philosophy. There’s no advice Peterson gives that wasn’t in How to Win Friends... 80 years ago.
1 ChateauJack 2018-01-29
Peterson's popularity is on an entire other level though, isn't it? I mean, he regularly gets millions of views per video on Youtube, his
10 Commandments12 Life Rules book is now the best selling book on Amazon, his debate on Chan4 last week is now the 4th most watched video on their channel at 5 million views...and it's a 30mn long debate.I can't think of any other professor on that level. In psychology, there's Steven Pinker that I know of, maybe?
1 LedinToke 2018-01-29
A lot of what he says really resonates with people and from what I've watched of him he seems pretty reasonable for the most part.
1 VapeOnYourNape 2018-01-29
I think most of that success can be explained with just how online his fans are.
1 grungebot5000 2018-01-29
pop philosophers by popularity
Jordan Peterson: 30,880 followers
Jason Gastrow: 4,370,515 followers
Scott Adams: Shelf full of awards, millions of dollars, and literally millions of unwitting daily readers
That english professor who doesn't like Trump: 30,881 followers
1 ChateauJack 2018-01-29
Not sure reddit subs are the metric to mesure popularity...
1 die_rattin 2018-01-29
I'd leave Scott Adams off that list, he made his empire off Dilbert
1 orgyofdolphins 2018-01-29
It doesn't help that he doesn't have a clue about the philosophy stuff he's talking about. It's like an archeology professor trying to criticise a physicist.
1 Ace4929 2018-01-29
Id say he has pretty well formed ideas, its just that he isnt trained as a philosopher and doesnt use the same terms or he uses them in different ways.
1 orgyofdolphins 2018-01-29
I don't think he's a fraud, but when he talks about philosophy he isn't as knowledgable as he is about psychology (I think at least, I don't know anything about psychology but it looks like he knows what he's talking about) and he makes mistakes.
1 Ace4929 2018-01-29
Well he is a professor of psychology and a practicing clinical psychologist so that makes sense. Maybe its because I come from a more historical background where non-historians writing history is a fairly common thing, but I really hate this gatekeeping that says that just because people like Jordan Peterson havent devoted their lives to philosophy that they cant intelligently engage with the field, and even if he makes mistakes when engaging philosophy in my opinion he still engages it intelligently.
1 orgyofdolphins 2018-01-29
If you're gonna go in all guns blazing you gota know what you're talking about though. It's not just gate-keeping. Plus he's a professor, he knows what academic standards look like. If someone shat on Jung without knowing what he was talking about I'm sure he'd be annoyed as well.
1 KingWayneX 2018-01-29
Someone should have told freud and jung.
1 westofthetracks 2018-01-29
no no, you dont understand. the issue is that jordan peterson is incapable of intelligently engaging with anything. how much time hes spent studying the field is irrelevant.
1 Ace4929 2018-01-29
I beg to differ, Ive seen him intelligently ingage in plenty of subjects
1 westofthetracks 2018-01-29
thats because youre dumb too xd
1 gez_muss_weg 2018-01-29
you should really clean your room
1 CaptainMemer 2018-01-29
Being a tenured academic is awesome. One of my friends teaches at a law school in Boston and he just shitposts on Twitter all day before going to the bar.
1 die_rattin 2018-01-29
You're saying this like a criticism of JP and not a huge indictment of contemporary philosophy in that it has fuckall to offer to the alienated young men who make up his audience
1 cimarafa 2018-01-29
It's almost as if philosophy encompasses much more than self-help for lonely young men...
1 die_rattin 2018-01-29
You do realize that's pretty much the entire reason for its existence and the reason it continues to be taught, right? It's not just a jobs program for unemployables
1 _PM_ME_INSIGHTS_ 2018-01-29
Because it is self-help for young man? That's your implication? God, that's stupid.
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-01-29
He's right though
1 shootyourschoolup 2018-01-29
Modern philosophy is pretty much How to Stave Off Existential Crises 101
1 johnboyauto 2018-01-29
You're only talking about PoliPhil.
1 _PM_ME_INSIGHTS_ 2018-01-29
Sure, if you learn philosophy from Youtubers.
1 nanonan 2018-01-29
Is he right wing though? I think he's more radical centrist than most here would care to admit.
1 _PM_ME_INSIGHTS_ 2018-01-29
He just got into the PragerU canon. You can't get more neocon than that
1 Zac1453 2018-01-29
This is so utterly retarded and ignorant of academia that I can definitely believe it was written by a peterson cultist.
1 ChateauJack 2018-01-29
This is true for every "expert" in pseudo-sciences, like sociology, psychology, anthropology and co though.
1 Zac1453 2018-01-29
whoops, I didnt realize I was talking to a le enlightened STEM major
I'm white, I've earned the right kiddo
1 KT-47 2018-01-29
you deserve and will receive poverty
1 Zac1453 2018-01-29
thus proving capitalism is a failure QED
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-01-29
Idiots become poor, sounds like a success to me.
1 gez_muss_weg 2018-01-29
no, you deserve it
1 Sandor_at_the_Zoo 2018-01-29
> claiming to be STEM
> liking a Jungian
k
1 Rith2 2018-01-29
Name one (1) thing philosophy has done to be if it man kind lmao
1 Zac1453 2018-01-29
Be glad STEM doesn't require any reading comprehension
1 die_rattin 2018-01-29
Sorry about your tiny pink degree
1 Sandor_at_the_Zoo 2018-01-29
Well usually philosophers aren't too brain damaged to write a single coherent sentence. So that's one (1 (I)) thing they're beating you on.
1 Rith2 2018-01-29
feels bad
1 shallowm 2018-01-29
You don't have a desktop or laptop?
1 Rith2 2018-01-29
I use it for games and for porn not for Reddit tbpqhwyf
1 shallowm 2018-01-29
Why not just use it for all three?
1 Rith2 2018-01-29
I unno
1 UnluckyImp22 2018-01-29
The Enlightenment?
1 Rith2 2018-01-29
pfffttt
1 ironicshitpostr 2018-01-29
A mistake that spawned both National Socialism and Communism, try again.
1 shootyourschoolup 2018-01-29
Look, are you gonna be a team player or what
1 mtg_liebestod 2018-01-29
Sounds like shitty gatekeeping tbh, like when you critique someone and they demand that you read a dozen books and respond to the entire underlying corpus of thought. If you want to disagree persuasively, elucidate.
1 nanonan 2018-01-29
Thinking postmodernism and marxism are funtamentally not just worthless but a complete disaster shows an acute understanding of the subject matter actually.
1 Zac1453 2018-01-29
Just cuz I know im gonna get a hilarious answer
Tell me, in your own words, what "postmodernism" is.
1 nanonan 2018-01-29
Your mom.
1 SDRresume90 2018-01-29
he’s also a pussy about religion. always dodges pertinent questions about it with some dumbass excuse and is afraid to say he believes in god and the after life.
1 Wordshark 2018-01-29
Actual real answer here
1 remnantoftheeye 2018-01-29
To be fair he says stupid shit whenever he opens his mouth.
1 nithingpole 2018-01-29
It's more that he's middling academic with some mildly right-wing views that's treated prophet by his followers because he complains about SJWs in fancy terms and tells them to clean their room because Jung said it was a good idea.
There's nothing that special about him either way. He's just a life coach for disaffected NEETs.
1 Ace4929 2018-01-29
Mostly because his ideas go agaibst the grain, and because he has a different definition of the term “postmodernism.”
1 holy_black_on_a_popo 2018-01-29
God, that's a helluva lot of autism.
1 Orsonius 2018-01-29
I hate both.
1 Holdin_McGroin 2018-01-29
Fucking centrists
1 nmx179 2018-01-29
u/shitgenstein that sure is a lot of words to say "I can't actually rebut any of Petersen's ideas"
But hey, sweet posturing brah
1 Lunarpeach 2018-01-29
So what makes these dudes any different from SJWs? I really want to ping sourdave and ask him what he meant about his guess that badphil is 99% male “(if that means anything)” he knows damn well what it means.
1 TheHeroReditDeserves 2018-01-29
/r/JordanPterson going at it with /r/lEreDitsOciAliSm sub number 36. That should be good.
1 searingsky 2018-01-29
Jordan Peterson was a mistake
1 jaredschaffer27 2018-01-29
Imagine caring about this lol
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-01-29
Jeez, gotta be pretty retarded to outstupid badphil people
1 heavenlytoaster 2018-01-29
Jeez, gotta be pretty retarded to outstupid badphil people
1 westofthetracks 2018-01-29
/u/spirit_of_negation whats it like being this much of a dweeb
1 spirit_of_negation 2018-01-29
?
1 westofthetracks 2018-01-29
answer the question
1 spirit_of_negation 2018-01-29
!
1 freet0 2018-01-29
/u/Shitgenstein change a handful of words and you're talking about /r/badphilosophy
Maybe redditors should just give up on trying anything that requires more than 5 seconds of uninterrupted thought
1 Shitgenstein 2018-01-29
Difference being that /r/badphilosophy is a circlejerk sub that doesn't represent anything, doesn't solicit or even pretend to solicit a worldview, doesn't want attention despite the attention it gets anyway, doesn't have a patreon, doesn't do interviews, doesn't publish self-help books, doesn't produce hours upon hours of youtube videos, etc.
1 freet0 2018-01-29
But they do pretend to be knowledgeable about philosophy and pretend to be capable of judging others. Not being a public figure doesn't justify being simultaneously so ignorant and arrogant.
1 Shitgenstein 2018-01-29
So /r/badphilosophy is hypocritical and therefore like Jordan Peterson just in being hypocritical or in everything else as well?
Anyway, let's see it. Where does /r/badphilosophy make claims to knowledge that is evidently unjustified? Are these claims by mods or random commenters? How are they distinguishable as pretended rather than actual?
1 freet0 2018-01-29
Only in most of the things you listed
Commenters of course, but upvoted ones. I'm talking about the overall direction of the community.
1 Shitgenstein 2018-01-29
You're right, /r/badphilosophy commenters, including the upvoted ones, are for the most part hypocritical pieces of shit that know almost fuck all about philosophy. Not enough time in the day to ban enough to make the sub any noticeably better.
1 freet0 2018-01-29
wait what the fuck youre not supposed to agree with me
1 AbsoluteMood 2018-01-29
Dude, cmon
You sperged out for 5 or 6 comments there about him including an excelent rant about how much of a winner you are and what a great sunday you had. I know you used to sperg out a bit in askphilosophy everytime there was a thread about him too. Why not accept that it bothers you at least a tiny bit? or that you all would be so much much more lenient if we were talking about left wing badphilosophy? I mean maybe I am wrong about you, maybe you dedicate the same exact amount of time towards left wing badphilosophy and get equally mad, I dont buy it from anyone else who posts on bp though
Seriously, who gives a shit. Who gives a shit about the existence of Jordan Peterson. What do you think is going to happen to tge world because of him? how is normal to have an entire sub full of people obsessed over him? there is at least 20 threads on askphilosophy about him full of answers from very angry people that also shit on him in any of the two thousand threads about him that there are in badphilosophy. That isnt obsession?
Guy is a hack, probably morally bad in many areas like most people and is just trying to make money out of some dumb people on the internet, have some crazy fans and some normal ones who dont quite understand on what he is wrong. A no one
Yeah, nothing too extraordinary or that bad
Please, for the sake of my sanity, tell me you see the irony.
1 Shitgenstein 2018-01-29
Oh, for sure I admit that. The thing that gets me is when a view is bad in a perplexing and/or interesting way. It's like a puzzle, a big Gordian knot of nonsense. This is why I don't give a shit about someone like Ben Shapiro or even Sam Harris, at least as much as others do. They're wrong but in boring ways. Even for a long while I didn't give a fuck about Peterson, figuring just an academic bleating the usual rant against political correctness and whatever. Boring. But then I heard bits about his rants against "postmodern Neo-Marxists" and then pretensions to pragmatism and then learned he has a bizarrely fundamentalist view of Jungian archetypes of all things. A tantalizing mess of nonsense. Like, if you took his book, Maps of Meaning, and not (~) in front of it, it'd be a great book!
And then alt-lite STEMlords, or wannabe STEMlords, went from whining about how bullshitty and unscientific their literary criticism class is to this guy who made a career out of it but in a way that flatters their social and political views, which is funny to me.
I'm not all that aware of left-wing stuff that gets philosophical at all. The closest I can think of is Slavoj Zizek but his nonsense is not systematic enough to trigger anything like the above. His Lacan and Hegel stuff, I hear, isn't garbage and then he's got some jokes or hot takes. Boring. I'd still ban/delete meme or reference to him on /r/badphilosophy, though, because Zizek goons are comparable to Peterson's.
It's not less true if I should heed my own advice.
1 moudougou 2018-01-29
That sounds weird, now I want to take a look at it.
1 gez_muss_weg 2018-01-29
Jordan Peterson is right about you.
1 Holdin_McGroin 2018-01-29
then go full private, bro. You'll even exclude the retarded commies that the sub seems to attract.
1 Shitgenstein 2018-01-29
We've discussed this but, like the last time we did, we get tons of private messages asking to be let in and that's annoying as fuck.
1 Holdin_McGroin 2018-01-29
Just tell them to go suck a dick. Tough love.