It's shit like this that makes my life worse as a Eurasian because even if you look amazing you're still a subhuman because Asian women happily marry guys who look like they've been in industrial accidents over an Asian guy. It makes Asian looking males look like the worst fucking losers on earth. The guy is absolutely offensive to look at. Like his face literally makes my stomach churl because he's so ugly. I'd even be mad if he had a white girlfriend People feel they have the liberty to say of course your dad is white. Because white guys see shit like this where some fucking quasimodo looking freak can get Asian girls and they use it as ammo as to how shittyy asian guys are...
The Last Jedi has outgrossed every Star Wars film (not accounting for inflation)
Yes, shockingly you can't buy a brand new Cadillac for $2,000 anymore either, so TLJ outgrossing the original 3 without accounting for inflation means absolutely jack shit.
Yeah, that really bothered me too. The one guy who was like "I guess production and COGS don't matter?" who was getting roasted for actually understanding how finances work. Super frustrating
That was the best bit right there, the reddit movie financing experts who understand nothing about how these things are made, marketed, and sold. Box office performance on this being so under forecast is a huge problem, whole departments can get canned for shit like that.
Oh and btw the scuttlebutt inside the Mouse House is "not good" -- especially the China numbers. They're hardly regretting the SW acquisition but there are a bunch of people worrying about the trend at the moment, especially with so much riding on that (merch, theme parks, etc.) I don't think there will be a mass exodus from the SW fandom or anything but when you've got billions on the line, people get really fucking nervous about this shit.
They may regret the acquisition, if you assume a modest 10% return per year expectation they need 6.5b in profit to make their investment worthwhile, on just the movies alone they prob have netted 2b tops.
Yeah, $4b isn't an easy thing to recoup on, but with all the ancillary income they're fine I think. I haven't seen internal Disney projections / returns so hard to say where they are actually at, but I can't imagine that they aren't actually (aka not considering hollywood accounting bullshit) already up at least $2b on BO revenue alone. The pending SW theme park expansions are going to be immense also, seasonal numbers should be through the roof this summer (protip: avoid disney parks like the plague summer 2018 unless you want to navigate hordes of unwashed faggots in jedi robes and stormtrooper costumes).
They do have to get past their own internal bubble, and stop shit like Admiral Tumblr, otherwise they run the risk of losing the current gen which will fuck them in the long run. I mean, I get what they did with TFA in terms of wanting to deliver a classic SW experience -- everyone I know loved it when they saw it but had a bit of head scratching there, but half (or more) of those people have since become disillusioned by the obvious flaws. They need to cut that shit out.
Solo is going to be a fuckin' disaster. As much as I hope Howard salvaged something the press on it is brutal -- and that should be a tentpole for a brand new SW franchise, call it "Soloverse" or whatever, but unless that thing is the sleeper hit of the summer it ain't happening.
What they really need to do is pull Lucas back in and pair that with some hard-nosed traditional Hollywood story crafting and kick out the agendatards. It's bubblegum, you can't make that into some fringey political psuedostatement and still make money. People don't like that shit.
They are not up 2b, no where close. We know the rough costs for each movie, plus the fact that they need to make an ROI (or they’d be sued into oblivion), means they are around 4.5b in the hole before accountability not for merch, which could plug the gap but in all likely hood is dramatically underperforming. Disney really needs good merch sales and BO takes to make the 4b worthwhile and the b and damage may result of n an economic, if not accounting loss.
lol sorry i don't mean $2b profit, i just mean towards recoupment -- though i haven't looked at grosses on those in a while and haven't seen the actual budgets from inside. from what i've heard the merch is seriously underperforming, which isn't much of a surprise to me having seen these things. the leads are all shit.
Hi, u/TheRootinTootinPutin! Loved your username. English is not my native language, but I'll try my best!
Firt of all, I loved the production design. Luke's island, Snoke Room and even the Cassino with their own characteristics, colors and references.
I loved how the director and his team made some risks in using little small narrative resources and unusual aesthetic different than the ones that are common in the saga. The way that it quickly cuts between long shots and close-ups of objects when Rey is feeling the force; the reference of trenches in the ending; the fusions between Kylo face and Leia...
I love the light of the film (Steve Yedlin is awesome!). The first moment of the film has Luke in the shadows and Rey totally in the light. Same thing when she is fighting in the mountain. The moment when the shadow of the falcon appears was brilliant (hehe) for me too.
There are so many beautiful scenes. That big moment in the ending, the way the color red invades the white in the salt planet, Rey and Kylo fighting...
I liked all the characters and I loved their development. Most of people say that the Cassino sequences were useless, but what I saw was Finn entering someone with no side and leaving a rebel.
And, of course, I loved everything that involved Rey, Luke and Kylo.
I even liked the twists. The fact that Rey's parents were no one is refreshing for me. I liked how Kylo kept telling her that she is a no one, but in the end, when she meets Poe and says "Hi, I'm Rey!", he just answers "Yeah, I know". She already WAS someone.
As someone who read a lot of the now Legends label, I loved the characterisation of Luke. He wasn't an all powerful perfect saint like in the books, he was human. Very human. Like an old testament character, someone between Moses and David. A guy destined to do great things who changes thought time, stumble and learn with their mistakes.
But yeah, I really didn't liked Rose and Holdo. I really wished it the character was her sister instead, she looked way more interesting. And Holdo just came from nowhere and hadn't any reason to not tell Poe her plans.
I know you probably will disagree with everything I said (except maybe the last paragraph), but that is ok. I hope I could at least clarify why I liked it! And I am really sorry If I acted like a drama queen. At least I could bring some fun for this sub :)
"Read a lot of the now Legends label" "he's not an all knowing god like he was in the books"
Fuck off. Like seriously, fuck off. Naivety and idealism that extends to moronic proportions doesn't make him into a fucking god. Sorry by Bloodlines he had had enough character development and was the SON OF THE EMBODIMENT OF THE FORCE so he was strong, but still was out witted constantly.
What the fuck did you read, Young Jedi Knights? Poe is fucking ridiculous, great pilot btw did I mention he killed like ninety TIEs and is totally a super ace?
Holy fuck how do you like Rey being a fucking deity able to do things with no training like nothing, but somehow Luke fucking Skywalker fighting his nephew and losing is somehow awful? You're tweaking my fucking autism harder than anything
Sorry if I was rude to you anyway. I was just politely answering a question and it wasn't my intention to start a discussion. I'll definetly "fuck off" of this place.
speaking of pedos, i read some interview with a law enforcement guy who spent years working on pedo cases. he said there were two kinds of pedos: star wars and star trek
I think word of mouth fucked it. TFA was approachable for anyone because it bombarded you with new things and you were entranced by them like an autistic kid at a light show. Nothing had to mean anything because this was just a film about establishing new characters, new worlds and creating 30 years of new canon.
Then you've got TLJ which is where the real meat and bones of those characters are meant to shine now they're established and... they don't. Suddenly you've got people coming out of the cinema talking about how nothing made sense and they're talking to people who saw TFA who now realise it was all just a 'wait and see' con job.
Now I fully expect the third movie to tank horribly even if it ends up being the best one of the three because you can't just pad two films out with fluff and expect to tie it together in the third film.
Wow, you seem really invested in this subculture. I saw your other post about Young Jedis or something IDK WTF. But chill out, it's not like I'm saying Spider Jerusalem sucks or anything.
They're Star Wars fans, they're human garbage. If no one could every really love you and your family was ashamed of you, you look for a sense of identity wherever you can find it.
Nope. As someone who hates Star Wars and Star Wars fans and so has paid way too much attention to the response to this movie, that is just one of several excuses Star Wars fans have tried to use in defense of this movie.
Normal people didn't like it (or didn't see it), Star Wars fans have defended it.
However, it's telling that even Star Wars fans don't want to be considered Star Wars fans and their strongest attack against their critics is to suggest that the detractors are Star Wars fans. It's because Star Wars fans are creeps, and no one understands that better than a the creeps themselves.
Maybe star wars fans liked it because it was actually a good star wars movie, and not just a masturbatory remake of the originals dumbed down to sell toys?
It's not a good anything movie, and you guys proudly all scream about how you see it 5 times. There are more than enough weirdos in the world to put up those numbers.
I'm not fucking Wikipedia. Stop freaking out because you can't handle a movie that hints at slightly different politics, and you need to pretend it's a failure.
it's telling that even Star Wars fans don't want to be considered Star Wars fans and their strongest attack against their critics is to suggest that the detractors are Star Wars fans
More like Disney fans than Star Wars. Anyone I know that loved Star Wars, including me, jumped ship when Legends was wiped out. Saw TFA when a cam rip was out, felt completely justified. Saw Cuck Wendig begging on Twitter to write the first new canon book, literally begging and he got it. So now we have a book worse than the shitbag that was Death Troopers with phrases like "herkily jerkily" unironically included.
Completely not overinvested in a fictional universe btw
yes, and those are also the ones who are pumping so much cash into the SW ecosystem, so that's a big concern. the Ghostbusters tactic of screaming "MISOGYNY!" can only cover up so much.
the script stunk, the characters were shit, and the agenda was pushed to the detriment of the story (and the established canon) -- what can you do. Rian sucks, i mean he's a technically competent director but with a project like this he sure as hell better be. the writing staff is a joke, look at their resumes, jesus christ who greenlit THEM?
“The characters that end up on screen are there because there is a groundswell of energy around this idea of creating a more honest reflection of the world around us,” Ms. Hart said, “and it’s coming from people all over the process. That feels miraculous, and really hopeful, not just for ‘Star Wars,’ but for movies in general.”
Delusional children running things -- it's fucking NOT "the world around us" it's a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, you dumbass. And the only people who give a shit about this kind of line they're pushing don't feed the Disney machine -- they protest it.
Just like Trump and Georgie B, Rian and his crew of merry POC lesbians have redeemed Lucas. I guess we can look forward to a tranny jedi next, followed by an autistic aboriginal midget quadrapalegic starfighter pilot.
It's fucking NOT "the world around us" it's a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
Ah yes, because the original trilogy was 100% perfect sci fi that wasn't a classic good and evil story just in space. Right.
The cringiest part of this is people like you believing the original ones were brilliant cinematic masterpieces because you're uncomfortable with any plot beyond "big thing goes boom".
Sorry you're too much of a joyless cunt to appreciate a classic good and evil story in space, I guess being a miserable person means you're only able to enjoy movies as miserable as you are.
all classic human stories happen in space, what planet are you from, Planet Fagotroid?
i mean, look: Battle Beyond The Stars, Starcrash, Barbarella, Ice Pirates, Plan 9 From Outer Space, the great Dino di Laurentiis' (pbuh) all-time classic, DUNE, the list goes on and on. Now if that isn't the archetype of cinematic success, I don't know what to tell you.
i, for one, will not let our conquest of the galaxy be forgotten. it stirs something deep inside the human psyche, touching our hearts at a primal level and reminding us that we, too, one day will gather up the mantle of human greatness, returning to our roots and undertaking a new crusade to purge the mutant, burn the witch, and slay the alien scum, for our rightful place as rulers of the cosmos is ordained by God.
i'm sure you will be left behind, lost in a xenos slave pen in one of the quarantined undercities on some far-flung mining colony, like all the rest of the filth. I will not shed a single tear for heretics like you, as in the moment of our ascension you will look up on our works and despair, in the short time left to your moral existence. good riddance, I say, good riddance to all those who oppose our glorious Cosmic Destiny!
It wasn’t. Now I won’t go around saying that all Star Wars films are complete garbage because you cannot discounts the collective first reaction to “Luke I am your father”
But Jesus Christ these new movies are just pandering to 50 y/o who remember when movies where something to be excited about. You know why the new movies suck? Because they are shitty nostalgia rehashes. They aren’t building a world I give a shit about, I don’t care about the visuals because i know it’s just an actor sitting on a green box pointing to a green wall going “ooooOoOO look at the explosion”, and I surely don’t give a shit about a movie once they’ve hit the 4 sequel. Rouge 1 = Star Wars Jaws 4
While I’m on a rant do you remember Deep Blue Sea? That shitty Renny Harlin film? At point during filming tank burst and a 30 ton wall of water almost killed half the crew. And you know what? They left the fucking scene in, that reaction you are seeing is Samual L Jackson terrified for his life. Fuck your green box and fuck your Jaws 4 Star Wars
Nobody acts well enough to really emulate true fear -- look at Rickman falling at the end of Diehard. They lied to his ass and dropped him before the countdown ended, hence that lovely whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat expression on his face.
oh please, the original Star Wars was no Cabinet of Dr Caligari or Citizen Kane but it definitely is better, even today, than any of the new ones.
I did like Rogue One quite a bit, i mean besides it being ~20 minutes too long and having some weak performances (Mendelsohn, Whitaker). At least they didn't puss out in the end and wacked everybody as they should have.
your strawman is made even more hiliarious by the fact that SW was never intended to be anything other than bubblegum pop entertainment. it's literally a pastiche of WWII, Buck Rodgers/Flash Gordon, and Alan Quartermain adventures (which they then redid a few years later to give us Indiana Jones). Kubrick, it ain't, but that doesn't mean it has to be pants-on-head retarded either.
The characters that end up on screen are there because there is a groundswell of energy around this idea of creating a more honest reflection of the world around us
, said the woman writing an escapist film about space wizards and a talking soccer ball
Just like the new Mad Max has a pack of ladies about to go drive off into the desert and their certain doom until an - ugh - WHITE MALE tells them they're going the wrong way.
there is a groundswell of energy around this idea of creating a more honest reflection of the world around us,
This bullshit is definitely leaking through to the finished product. There's a reason they're casting so many ugly people in Star Wars now (even if they're only "Hollywood" ugly). These old school feminists hate how people like watching pretty girls in their movies, so they're kicking them out and promoting it like they haven't changed anything
Ridley has one of those chompy toothy maws that just screams "a blowjob could be hazardous"
I do not get the fascination with her. She's at best a Los Angeles 7, go to any nightclub in town and you'll find hordes of more attractive women. Granted, in Boise she's probably top of the charts simply because she isn't missing teeth...
star wars has been one of my favorite franchises since the child, the new movies are boring and shitty, even the prequels have more heart and personality.
Capeshit cannot be compared to Star Wars at all. All normal men wanted superpowers as kids.
The average Star Wars fan is an over 35 man wearing a "Rey is my Favorite Disney Princess" t-shirt and suspiciously striking up conversations with other people's children.
The average Star Wars fan is an over 35 man wearing a "Rey is my Favorite Disney Princess" t-shirt and suspiciously striking up conversations with other people's children.
Yeah, totally different to the adults into fantasies of muscular, protective men in skin-tight suits.
Arguing over whether SW fans or superhero fans are worse pedos is like arguing about whether rottweiler shit or labrador shit makes a better sandwich spread.
jesus christ even I know clonetroopers != stormtroopers
which brings us to a true salient point, which is that the Republic itself was a degenerate hive of slavers who deserved exactly what they fucking got.
TLJ had an incoherent and retarded story that also managed to piss off its core fans too. The characters acted like no human would, under similar circumstances. Everyone was a one dimensional cliché. Throw on SJW icing on this turd and you have the worst starwars movie to date. Worse than the fantom menace. I didn't think that was even possible.
Everything surrounding these movies is so bizarre. The job of reviewers is to give an accurate overview of what viewers should expect going into the movie so that they know if they will enjoy it. Instead you have reviewers getting pissy and telling people they're wrong for not enjoying the movie.
If they don't show undying loyalty to the film, then they won't get invited to early screenings anymore. No early screenings, no chance to review early on their shitty blog sites, no chance to review early on their shitty blog sites no revenue, no revenue no entry-level "geek" memoribilia to show these brute males how enlightened they are.
I’d argue that the dramatic fall off in revenue between TFA and TLJ proves that nerds will definitely take actions to punish poor decisions despite the label.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-01-31
It's shit like this that makes my life worse as a Eurasian because even if you look amazing you're still a subhuman because Asian women happily marry guys who look like they've been in industrial accidents over an Asian guy. It makes Asian looking males look like the worst fucking losers on earth. The guy is absolutely offensive to look at. Like his face literally makes my stomach churl because he's so ugly. I'd even be mad if he had a white girlfriend People feel they have the liberty to say of course your dad is white. Because white guys see shit like this where some fucking quasimodo looking freak can get Asian girls and they use it as ammo as to how shittyy asian guys are...
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1 Butch_Patterson 2018-01-31
Yes, shockingly you can't buy a brand new Cadillac for $2,000 anymore either, so TLJ outgrossing the original 3 without accounting for inflation means absolutely jack shit.
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
They also don't understand that the amount a movie makes has to be compared to the amount invested and the time it took.
And that loving Star Wars makes the most uninteresting kind of nerds, and probable pedophiles. Which ones should we ping?
1 Butch_Patterson 2018-01-31
Yeah, that really bothered me too. The one guy who was like "I guess production and COGS don't matter?" who was getting roasted for actually understanding how finances work. Super frustrating
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
That was the best bit right there, the reddit movie financing experts who understand nothing about how these things are made, marketed, and sold. Box office performance on this being so under forecast is a huge problem, whole departments can get canned for shit like that.
Oh and btw the scuttlebutt inside the Mouse House is "not good" -- especially the China numbers. They're hardly regretting the SW acquisition but there are a bunch of people worrying about the trend at the moment, especially with so much riding on that (merch, theme parks, etc.) I don't think there will be a mass exodus from the SW fandom or anything but when you've got billions on the line, people get really fucking nervous about this shit.
1 theboyaintright99 2018-01-31
They may regret the acquisition, if you assume a modest 10% return per year expectation they need 6.5b in profit to make their investment worthwhile, on just the movies alone they prob have netted 2b tops.
1 Mr_Americas 2018-01-31
Long term they’ll still make out though. Star Wars nerds will always throw their money at it.
1 theboyaintright99 2018-01-31
Will they? This movie got overwhelmingly negative responses from the fans.
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
Yeah, $4b isn't an easy thing to recoup on, but with all the ancillary income they're fine I think. I haven't seen internal Disney projections / returns so hard to say where they are actually at, but I can't imagine that they aren't actually (aka not considering hollywood accounting bullshit) already up at least $2b on BO revenue alone. The pending SW theme park expansions are going to be immense also, seasonal numbers should be through the roof this summer (protip: avoid disney parks like the plague summer 2018 unless you want to navigate hordes of unwashed faggots in jedi robes and stormtrooper costumes).
They do have to get past their own internal bubble, and stop shit like Admiral Tumblr, otherwise they run the risk of losing the current gen which will fuck them in the long run. I mean, I get what they did with TFA in terms of wanting to deliver a classic SW experience -- everyone I know loved it when they saw it but had a bit of head scratching there, but half (or more) of those people have since become disillusioned by the obvious flaws. They need to cut that shit out.
Solo is going to be a fuckin' disaster. As much as I hope Howard salvaged something the press on it is brutal -- and that should be a tentpole for a brand new SW franchise, call it "Soloverse" or whatever, but unless that thing is the sleeper hit of the summer it ain't happening.
What they really need to do is pull Lucas back in and pair that with some hard-nosed traditional Hollywood story crafting and kick out the agendatards. It's bubblegum, you can't make that into some fringey political psuedostatement and still make money. People don't like that shit.
1 theboyaintright99 2018-01-31
They are not up 2b, no where close. We know the rough costs for each movie, plus the fact that they need to make an ROI (or they’d be sued into oblivion), means they are around 4.5b in the hole before accountability not for merch, which could plug the gap but in all likely hood is dramatically underperforming. Disney really needs good merch sales and BO takes to make the 4b worthwhile and the b and damage may result of n an economic, if not accounting loss.
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
lol sorry i don't mean $2b profit, i just mean towards recoupment -- though i haven't looked at grosses on those in a while and haven't seen the actual budgets from inside. from what i've heard the merch is seriously underperforming, which isn't much of a surprise to me having seen these things. the leads are all shit.
1 drvgyn2 2018-01-31
and that the real money was in merchandise, not ticket sales
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
Yeah, and the merchandising has tanked.
1 theboyaintright99 2018-01-31
Still a huge gap between costs and profit needed to come out ahead
1 TheRootinTootinPutin 2018-01-31
/u/FriendDinosaur this is a polite invitation so you–if you please–may explain what exactly you enjoyed about TLJ
1 FriendDinosaur 2018-01-31
Hi, u/TheRootinTootinPutin! Loved your username. English is not my native language, but I'll try my best!
Firt of all, I loved the production design. Luke's island, Snoke Room and even the Cassino with their own characteristics, colors and references.
I loved how the director and his team made some risks in using little small narrative resources and unusual aesthetic different than the ones that are common in the saga. The way that it quickly cuts between long shots and close-ups of objects when Rey is feeling the force; the reference of trenches in the ending; the fusions between Kylo face and Leia...
I love the light of the film (Steve Yedlin is awesome!). The first moment of the film has Luke in the shadows and Rey totally in the light. Same thing when she is fighting in the mountain. The moment when the shadow of the falcon appears was brilliant (hehe) for me too.
There are so many beautiful scenes. That big moment in the ending, the way the color red invades the white in the salt planet, Rey and Kylo fighting...
I liked all the characters and I loved their development. Most of people say that the Cassino sequences were useless, but what I saw was Finn entering someone with no side and leaving a rebel.
And, of course, I loved everything that involved Rey, Luke and Kylo.
I even liked the twists. The fact that Rey's parents were no one is refreshing for me. I liked how Kylo kept telling her that she is a no one, but in the end, when she meets Poe and says "Hi, I'm Rey!", he just answers "Yeah, I know". She already WAS someone.
As someone who read a lot of the now Legends label, I loved the characterisation of Luke. He wasn't an all powerful perfect saint like in the books, he was human. Very human. Like an old testament character, someone between Moses and David. A guy destined to do great things who changes thought time, stumble and learn with their mistakes.
But yeah, I really didn't liked Rose and Holdo. I really wished it the character was her sister instead, she looked way more interesting. And Holdo just came from nowhere and hadn't any reason to not tell Poe her plans.
I know you probably will disagree with everything I said (except maybe the last paragraph), but that is ok. I hope I could at least clarify why I liked it! And I am really sorry If I acted like a drama queen. At least I could bring some fun for this sub :)
Edit: Mistakes.
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
I don't want to be mean to this guy...
1 Wimzer 2018-01-31
"Read a lot of the now Legends label" "he's not an all knowing god like he was in the books"
Fuck off. Like seriously, fuck off. Naivety and idealism that extends to moronic proportions doesn't make him into a fucking god. Sorry by Bloodlines he had had enough character development and was the SON OF THE EMBODIMENT OF THE FORCE so he was strong, but still was out witted constantly.
What the fuck did you read, Young Jedi Knights? Poe is fucking ridiculous, great pilot btw did I mention he killed like ninety TIEs and is totally a super ace?
Holy fuck how do you like Rey being a fucking deity able to do things with no training like nothing, but somehow Luke fucking Skywalker fighting his nephew and losing is somehow awful? You're tweaking my fucking autism harder than anything
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1 FriendDinosaur 2018-01-31
Sorry if I was rude to you anyway. I was just politely answering a question and it wasn't my intention to start a discussion. I'll definetly "fuck off" of this place.
1 Wimzer 2018-01-31
Good. Take your Poe Dameron buttplug back to /r/starwars
1 adtw 2018-01-31
Wow, you're such a huge dickhole that you caused this person to post in r/depression
Fuck off you little retarded shit, I hope both your parents get cancer
1 Tagesausbruch 2018-01-31
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.
1 Wimzer 2018-01-31
Not an argument
1 Fuish 2018-01-31
1 Wimzer 2018-01-31
Star Wars is my autism
1 wolfsktaag 2018-01-31
speaking of pedos, i read some interview with a law enforcement guy who spent years working on pedo cases. he said there were two kinds of pedos: star wars and star trek
1 uniqueguy263 2018-01-31
Also it didn't outgross TFA
1 wwyzzerdd 2018-01-31
I dunno man that green milk scene was pretty fucking gross.
1 Senator_Chickpea 2018-01-31
It was an homage to Lucas' alien titty fetish.
1 ConsoleWarCriminal 2018-01-31
That boy just ain't right.
1 TheRealTrueDarkLord 2018-01-31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GySBBHNtcnk&t=40
1 shanewater 2018-01-31
I think word of mouth fucked it. TFA was approachable for anyone because it bombarded you with new things and you were entranced by them like an autistic kid at a light show. Nothing had to mean anything because this was just a film about establishing new characters, new worlds and creating 30 years of new canon.
Then you've got TLJ which is where the real meat and bones of those characters are meant to shine now they're established and... they don't. Suddenly you've got people coming out of the cinema talking about how nothing made sense and they're talking to people who saw TFA who now realise it was all just a 'wait and see' con job.
Now I fully expect the third movie to tank horribly even if it ends up being the best one of the three because you can't just pad two films out with fluff and expect to tie it together in the third film.
1 uniqueguy263 2018-01-31
Tbh I liked the Rey/Luke/Kylo plot. Coulda skipped the rest of the movie tho.
1 TherapyFortheRapy 2018-01-31
There is no way to argue that TLJ out-anything The Force Awakens.
1 Butch_Patterson 2018-01-31
So they suck an equal amount? Wouldn't surprise me TBH. Capeshit and all.
1 Wimzer 2018-01-31
🤔🤔what if we took a space fantasy and made it into capeshit🤔🤔
Surely the nerds who read the novels, let alone the comics, must love cape shit. I mean there aren't any other kinds of comics.
1 Butch_Patterson 2018-01-31
Wow, you seem really invested in this subculture. I saw your other post about Young Jedis or something IDK WTF. But chill out, it's not like I'm saying Spider Jerusalem sucks or anything.
1 Wimzer 2018-01-31
Can you read tho
1 Butch_Patterson 2018-01-31
Depends. What's in it for me?
1 im-a-koala 2018-01-31
Isn't that basically Guardians of the Galaxy?
1 Ace4929 2018-01-31
Also the idea that commercial success = artistic value is retardation itself
1 NormanImmanuel 2018-01-31
How do these people get so emotionally invested in a fucking corporation? They're not even defending the movie on its merits.
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
They're Star Wars fans, they're human garbage. If no one could every really love you and your family was ashamed of you, you look for a sense of identity wherever you can find it.
1 NormanImmanuel 2018-01-31
I'm all for shitting on fans of any kind, but weren't the classic SW fans the ones who revolted against this movie?
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
Nope. As someone who hates Star Wars and Star Wars fans and so has paid way too much attention to the response to this movie, that is just one of several excuses Star Wars fans have tried to use in defense of this movie.
Normal people didn't like it (or didn't see it), Star Wars fans have defended it.
However, it's telling that even Star Wars fans don't want to be considered Star Wars fans and their strongest attack against their critics is to suggest that the detractors are Star Wars fans. It's because Star Wars fans are creeps, and no one understands that better than a the creeps themselves.
1 hexane360 2018-01-31
"normal people didn't see it"
Maybe star wars fans liked it because it was actually a good star wars movie, and not just a masturbatory remake of the originals dumbed down to sell toys?
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
It's not a good anything movie, and you guys proudly all scream about how you see it 5 times. There are more than enough weirdos in the world to put up those numbers.
1 hexane360 2018-01-31
Aww, is someone upset that the wrong things are popular?
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
Star Wars is only popular among nerdy 40 year old male pedophiles. They did demographic surveys.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-01-31
And how much was their goal? How much was invested into it? How many addicted nerds sit there for their umpteenth watching of it?
1 hexane360 2018-01-31
I'm not fucking Wikipedia. Stop freaking out because you can't handle a movie that hints at slightly different politics, and you need to pretend it's a failure.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2018-01-31
The point is that shit isn't a success when you see that the prior movies managed to get more eyeballs watching it for less money invested.
1 die_rattin 2018-01-31
lol, so accurate
1 Chicup 2018-01-31
Honestly I can not understand how anyone but very young children and the brain dead could like this movie.
1 Wimzer 2018-01-31
More like Disney fans than Star Wars. Anyone I know that loved Star Wars, including me, jumped ship when Legends was wiped out. Saw TFA when a cam rip was out, felt completely justified. Saw Cuck Wendig begging on Twitter to write the first new canon book, literally begging and he got it. So now we have a book worse than the shitbag that was Death Troopers with phrases like "herkily jerkily" unironically included.
Completely not overinvested in a fictional universe btw
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
yes, and those are also the ones who are pumping so much cash into the SW ecosystem, so that's a big concern. the Ghostbusters tactic of screaming "MISOGYNY!" can only cover up so much.
the script stunk, the characters were shit, and the agenda was pushed to the detriment of the story (and the established canon) -- what can you do. Rian sucks, i mean he's a technically competent director but with a project like this he sure as hell better be. the writing staff is a joke, look at their resumes, jesus christ who greenlit THEM?
oh wait https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html
Delusional children running things -- it's fucking NOT "the world around us" it's a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, you dumbass. And the only people who give a shit about this kind of line they're pushing don't feed the Disney machine -- they protest it.
Just like Trump and Georgie B, Rian and his crew of merry POC lesbians have redeemed Lucas. I guess we can look forward to a tranny jedi next, followed by an autistic aboriginal midget quadrapalegic starfighter pilot.
1 hexane360 2018-01-31
Ah yes, because the original trilogy was 100% perfect sci fi that wasn't a classic good and evil story just in space. Right.
The cringiest part of this is people like you believing the original ones were brilliant cinematic masterpieces because you're uncomfortable with any plot beyond "big thing goes boom".
1 nmx179 2018-01-31
Sorry you're too much of a joyless cunt to appreciate a classic good and evil story in space, I guess being a miserable person means you're only able to enjoy movies as miserable as you are.
1 hexane360 2018-01-31
So which is it? Is it a classic human story or one that can only happen in space? I'm confused
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
I think you missed his main point, you're a cunt.
Also: Original Star Wars is wildly overrated.
1 Cycloptichorn 2018-01-31
I was in 100% agreement until that last bit
The absolutely shittiness of the new movies simply confirms that the originals were masterpieces
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
all classic human stories happen in space, what planet are you from, Planet Fagotroid?
i mean, look: Battle Beyond The Stars, Starcrash, Barbarella, Ice Pirates, Plan 9 From Outer Space, the great Dino di Laurentiis' (pbuh) all-time classic, DUNE, the list goes on and on. Now if that isn't the archetype of cinematic success, I don't know what to tell you.
i, for one, will not let our conquest of the galaxy be forgotten. it stirs something deep inside the human psyche, touching our hearts at a primal level and reminding us that we, too, one day will gather up the mantle of human greatness, returning to our roots and undertaking a new crusade to purge the mutant, burn the witch, and slay the alien scum, for our rightful place as rulers of the cosmos is ordained by God.
i'm sure you will be left behind, lost in a xenos slave pen in one of the quarantined undercities on some far-flung mining colony, like all the rest of the filth. I will not shed a single tear for heretics like you, as in the moment of our ascension you will look up on our works and despair, in the short time left to your moral existence. good riddance, I say, good riddance to all those who oppose our glorious Cosmic Destiny!
MAKE THE MILKY WAY GREAT AGAIN!
1 im-a-koala 2018-01-31
that was pretty good I guess
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
i'm my defense i was quite high when i wrote that
1 Ravensthrowit 2018-01-31
It wasn’t. Now I won’t go around saying that all Star Wars films are complete garbage because you cannot discounts the collective first reaction to “Luke I am your father”
But Jesus Christ these new movies are just pandering to 50 y/o who remember when movies where something to be excited about. You know why the new movies suck? Because they are shitty nostalgia rehashes. They aren’t building a world I give a shit about, I don’t care about the visuals because i know it’s just an actor sitting on a green box pointing to a green wall going “ooooOoOO look at the explosion”, and I surely don’t give a shit about a movie once they’ve hit the 4 sequel. Rouge 1 = Star Wars Jaws 4
While I’m on a rant do you remember Deep Blue Sea? That shitty Renny Harlin film? At point during filming tank burst and a 30 ton wall of water almost killed half the crew. And you know what? They left the fucking scene in, that reaction you are seeing is Samual L Jackson terrified for his life. Fuck your green box and fuck your Jaws 4 Star Wars
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
Nobody acts well enough to really emulate true fear -- look at Rickman falling at the end of Diehard. They lied to his ass and dropped him before the countdown ended, hence that lovely whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat expression on his face.
Maybe one day when the sexbots take over.
1 Ravensthrowit 2018-01-31
Yeah but i bet if you asked Rickman what city the movie takes place in he'd know.
in that clip Ewan McGregor literally cannot name the fucking planet he's on in the scene he described.
1 TransexualWiener 2018-01-31
yeah but to fair, there are like 1000 planets in that stupid universe, and die hard takes place in one city the entire film.
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
lol yeah shit was comedy, i have to agree. he should have just said "Planet Buttafuco" and nobody would have been the wiser.
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
oh please, the original Star Wars was no Cabinet of Dr Caligari or Citizen Kane but it definitely is better, even today, than any of the new ones.
I did like Rogue One quite a bit, i mean besides it being ~20 minutes too long and having some weak performances (Mendelsohn, Whitaker). At least they didn't puss out in the end and wacked everybody as they should have.
your strawman is made even more hiliarious by the fact that SW was never intended to be anything other than bubblegum pop entertainment. it's literally a pastiche of WWII, Buck Rodgers/Flash Gordon, and Alan Quartermain adventures (which they then redid a few years later to give us Indiana Jones). Kubrick, it ain't, but that doesn't mean it has to be pants-on-head retarded either.
1 die_rattin 2018-01-31
, said the woman writing an escapist film about space wizards and a talking soccer ball
1 telandrias 2018-01-31
It's pretty clear it was an anti feminist film which was made subversivly by the patriarchy
1 ConsoleWarCriminal 2018-01-31
Just like the new Mad Max has a pack of ladies about to go drive off into the desert and their certain doom until an - ugh - WHITE MALE tells them they're going the wrong way.
1 QuantumFreakonomics 2018-01-31
This bullshit is definitely leaking through to the finished product. There's a reason they're casting so many ugly people in Star Wars now (even if they're only "Hollywood" ugly). These old school feminists hate how people like watching pretty girls in their movies, so they're kicking them out and promoting it like they haven't changed anything
1 TransexualWiener 2018-01-31
the asian chick looks like shrek, she isn't even hollywood ugly, she is ugly ugly.
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
Ridley has one of those chompy toothy maws that just screams "a blowjob could be hazardous"
I do not get the fascination with her. She's at best a Los Angeles 7, go to any nightclub in town and you'll find hordes of more attractive women. Granted, in Boise she's probably top of the charts simply because she isn't missing teeth...
1 TransexualWiener 2018-01-31
star wars has been one of my favorite franchises since the child, the new movies are boring and shitty, even the prequels have more heart and personality.
1 uniqueguy263 2018-01-31
How do people get so emotionally invested in a fucking movie? It was kinda good, not citizen Kane, so what
1 StevenGorefrost 2018-01-31
Seriously the movies performance doesn't make it a good film, but a bad box office will show that people weren't really into it good movie or not.
I just don't why they get so upset that people didn't like it.
1 clarkeff 2018-01-31
gotta love people who browse and comment in r/marvelstudios but still call other people "dweebs"
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
Capeshit cannot be compared to Star Wars at all. All normal men wanted superpowers as kids.
The average Star Wars fan is an over 35 man wearing a "Rey is my Favorite Disney Princess" t-shirt and suspiciously striking up conversations with other people's children.
1 Bustwe 2018-01-31
You could've shortened that by just saying rapist.
1 captainpriapism 2018-01-31
1 wokeaspie 2018-01-31
Jesus you're really on this Star Wars fanboys = pedophiles kick huh? Show me on this Jar Jar doll where Lucas touched you.
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
Whoa whoa, I just described the average Star Wars fan. YOU said pedophile.
Which, I think, is telling...
1 wokeaspie 2018-01-31
Just two of your comments in this post. Now clean your room, bucko.
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
That was just citing studies. And I will not clean my room, you fat bitch.
1 fsdgfhk 2018-01-31
Yeah, totally different to the adults into fantasies of muscular, protective men in skin-tight suits.
Arguing over whether SW fans or superhero fans are worse pedos is like arguing about whether rottweiler shit or labrador shit makes a better sandwich spread.
1 cimarafa 2018-01-31
Lol, you’re a capeshit aficionado lmao.
1 Talonek 2018-01-31
Is that asian Maisie Williams?
1 DoctorFahrenheit 2018-01-31
No. Maybe Maise Williams is just the white version of this guy, racist.
1 MessyEddy 2018-01-31
And yet the one dissenter seems like the only guy who knows what he is talking about, even if his actual numbers are off a bit.
1 likearasputin 2018-01-31
Space Balls > "new trilogy"
1 pepperouchau 2018-01-31
Better than most movies tbqh
1 Sarge_Ward 2018-01-31
incredibly hot take: spaceballs is unironically better than every star wars film except for empire strikes back.
1 MisterHundred 2018-01-31
no??? empire is the best out of the three but it doesn't even come close to spaceballs
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
yeah i mean Spaceballs had black stormtroopers. Star Wars didn't even have those till 30 years later, and even then, only one!
1 worthlessworthl 2018-01-31
I don't believe we knew the race of any of the Stormtroopers in the original trilogy, for all we know they could have been black.
1 shanewater 2018-01-31
They couldn't have been black, they all obeyed orders.
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
no way Lando could have had that many kids while running Bespin, no time for that shit
1 Ace4929 2018-01-31
The fuck you talking about, watch the prequels, all of the stormtroopers are brown
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
jesus christ even I know clonetroopers != stormtroopers
which brings us to a true salient point, which is that the Republic itself was a degenerate hive of slavers who deserved exactly what they fucking got.
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1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
i swear to god i'm still waiting for them to come out with Finn being Lando's kid.
Of course that would mean he was abandoned by his black father, talk about keepin' it real
1 SmurfPrivilege 2018-01-31
Ackshually, Finn was kidnapped and forced into servitude.
1 ricardogce 2018-01-31
Ackbarshually
I'm so so sorry
1 CarnistHappyCamp 2018-01-31
Lando shouldn't have sent him to the store to get the fixins for his lean, dangerous to send a young boy alone to get jolly ranchers like that
1 Chicup 2018-01-31
TLJ had an incoherent and retarded story that also managed to piss off its core fans too. The characters acted like no human would, under similar circumstances. Everyone was a one dimensional cliché. Throw on SJW icing on this turd and you have the worst starwars movie to date. Worse than the fantom menace. I didn't think that was even possible.
1 Gothmog26 2018-01-31
That's where you're,re wrong kiddo
1 HistrionicMillennial 2018-01-31
Sci fi and capeshit and high fantasy are all gay and for losers
1 AlohaWarrior34 2018-01-31
no u.
1 HistrionicMillennial 2018-01-31
Become an adult and get real hobbies like doing drugs
1 westofthetracks 2018-01-31
this
1 TheGameJerk 2018-01-31
1 Zozbot 2018-01-31
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1 Zozbot 2018-01-31
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1 Zozbot 2018-01-31
zozzle
1 HistrionicMillennial 2018-01-31
Good bot
1 Wimzer 2018-01-31
Lmao imagine not enjoying ten page descriptors of a bitchy woman tugging her braid
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1 RollBread 2018-01-31
Star Wars was never good, why do people even care?
1 XovNielkArze 2018-01-31
The best part of the new Star Wars was the chubby cgi panda that followed Finn around. So cute.
1 automatic_cuck 2018-01-31
The Force Awakens is basically a copy of A New Hope. For the Last Jedi, I am still waiting for a good torrent to give a proper review.
1 EasySchmitty 2018-01-31
me tbh
1 westofthetracks 2018-01-31
I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW DARTH VAAAADER
1 subpoutine 2018-01-31
RIAN BROKE NEW GROUND!
And also Mike’s heart.
1 El_Tigrex 2018-01-31
Everything surrounding these movies is so bizarre. The job of reviewers is to give an accurate overview of what viewers should expect going into the movie so that they know if they will enjoy it. Instead you have reviewers getting pissy and telling people they're wrong for not enjoying the movie.
1 TheRealTrueDarkLord 2018-01-31
If they don't show undying loyalty to the film, then they won't get invited to early screenings anymore. No early screenings, no chance to review early on their shitty blog sites, no chance to review early on their shitty blog sites no revenue, no revenue no entry-level "geek" memoribilia to show these brute males how enlightened they are.
So it all comes down to money.
1 RadonRedux 2018-01-31
Disney shills actually make me physically ill
1 battles 2018-01-31
Star Wars has always sucked, I'm really not sure why people expect differently.
1 ZeusMcFly 2018-01-31
I was at the grocery store the other day and I saw bags of Star Wars lettuce in the produce section. STARWARS. LETTUCE.
1 HawkGuy 2018-01-31
I have the limited edition Star Wars branded Dole banana.
1 ZeusMcFly 2018-01-31
Dude, this was Dole lettuce. WTF Dole.
1 HawkGuy 2018-01-31
Their toys aren’t selling so they put their brand on things people need.
Gotta stay relevant.
1 theboyaintright99 2018-01-31
I’d argue that the dramatic fall off in revenue between TFA and TLJ proves that nerds will definitely take actions to punish poor decisions despite the label.