Reviewer criticises medieval Bohemia set game for lack of racial diversity. Reasonable discussion ensues in comments

117  2018-02-21 by 22rimjob

127 comments

Holy shit. How long has this cancer been brewing? Since early 2015 or some shit? Incredible. Just incredible. And props to the devs for not bowing down and also not going on a huge twitter rampage against all these fucks, because that's what I would have done.

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I think it’s pretty obvious that medieval Bohemia has both a thriving black population and a trans Latinx community. Ok, Richard Spencer?!

Bohemia, 1440: Crippled anime cat Jew tranny blacks thrive in the forest. You, as a knight of the land, just be creampied by each and everyone. Deus vault, young nigger.

We

Wuz

Königs

UND SSCHEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSE

Cumans

Forced meme

WE

WUZ

YOKUDANS

TBH and jokes aside, the game is really buggy as shit, but it's also fun? It's like if Skyrim was made by more nerdy autistic slavs who really loved ren faires.

Can u rape peasant bitches? You know, for realism

Not yet, IRL or in game.

Rape is the one historic thing no developer will touch. Hell, ck2, the game where you can worship Satan by slaughtering a family, skinning the children and dancing in front of the father wearing their faces doesn't have rape.

There's definately a possible rape scene at the beginning of kingdom come.

When I tried to stop the rape I got beat down real bad. So the next time I dint do anything to stop it.

Being pathetic enough to have watched the first 30 minutes "let's play" on youtube, I can tell you: if you get their attention by whistling and immediately ride away on your horse, your diary will have an entry that shows you stopped the attempted rape.

They definitely killed her after so at best you probably just delayed it.

no, they killed that other girl he was dating in the beginning.

the one you "rescue" from getting raped by vermin is the one who you'll start dating soon afterwards in the game

Yeah that's right, I just thought for a second that she died too and the one you start dating was in a different place.

Wow I thought they killed her and the lady I was trying to court at the beginning was the same one as the future.

You can stop it my punching one of them as you run by. Don't stop and try and beat them all, just smack one and keep running. They'll chase you forever and leave the wench alone.

Is there no way to actually beat them? When I got the Witcher 2 when it first came out the new sword play was really difficult for me, but I ended up playing that tutorial level at the beginning over and over again to both see Triss's tits as well as to perfect my "sword play" (double entendre intentional).

Anyway, the point of it is, I got autistically good at the sword play, to the point where I had jedi-like skills at parrying and could defeat everyone with a slightly sharp stick.

So like, is it possible to get so good at the "game" like mechanics of this game that you can do this, or is it more like an old table top RPG where stats/levels make certain things just plain impossible?

Well the sword play is a lot more complicated than usual games and you're a greatly outnumbered kid who has just a tiny bit of practice with a wooden sword. I'm sure if you autistically practiced enough you could maybe pull it off after a huge amount of attempts but the game is very good at making you realistically bad at new things. For example using a bow is a pain in the ass until level 9 or so, when you first pick one up you'll be wildly inaccurate to start.

If you had to practice to be competent in the witcher 3, you're not going to have much fun with this game.

witcher 3,

Witcher 2.

You can stop it by whistling for your horse from a distance, then the rapists just fuck off scared, I did it accidentally.

CK 2 has implied rape by allowing you to marry or make a concubine out of women imprisoned in your dungeon. It's a start.

Letting a woman -100 opinion of you free in your court, to add to the plot power of anyone that wants to assassinate you

No thanks fam. I want them locked up, where they aren't any trouble.

not having +100 opinion with all prisoners cause you're such a brilliant diplomat

peasant please

It's not really rape then.

CK 2 has implied rape by allowing you to marry or make a concubine out of women imprisoned in your dungeon

Um, what if the war captive consents tho

Honestly the game is not that buggy for me, only bug I've really faced are those meme stairs in (some bohemian castle). My computer is real old though I feel like paradoxically things of often buggier on super high end machines.

Realy buggy? All I've experienced was my horse getting stuck once between a bridge and a river and some clipping with armour and weapons. If you turn vsync off it completely stops any random slowdowns. I've honestly never had any gamebreaking bugs so far, just minor things that are to be expected from a small studio.

Overall they knocked the game out of the park, the detail is amazing.

Have we reached peak soy yet

Looking at this . . . being . . . I hope "yes":

http://www.eurogamer.net/author/99

Did you know that Medieval West Africa had a large Nordic community?

I don't think Africa's got to that part yet

That sounds unproductive for the mayocide

why the fuck did wakanda not have vikings.

The black panther is actually a pale ginger man.

That's racist black erasure bullshit and you know it.

I loved when a guy with a bunch of bohemian pictures of biblical figures started using them as proof that there were black people in bohemia

lol in my country some people were really mad the people that dubbed the black panther movie weren't black. This blew my fucking mind, that some wanker took the time to see if the people involved in dubbing the movie were black and not. Some people are never satisfied with anything.

lmao what retarded country do you live in where they need to dub a non childrens' movie? Learn to speak american or get out

I know, right. Everyone is dumb, except me

> capeshit

> non-childrens' movie

choose one

capeshit

non childrens' movie

Excuse me?

Capeshit is high art to burgers.

Person in underpants on trousers/gimp outfit shouts and punches other gimps, part 47

non childrens' movie

HMMMM

Scumbaggia I would guess. Or Canuckistan, same difference.

Let me guess, it's Brazil, fight? We try to follow the USA in everything, including extreme stupidity.

Typical liberal fucking media trying to distract from the lack of representation of gun owners in this travesty of a game. Despite firearms having been present in Europe from at least 1346, this piece of blatant anti-2nd Amendment propaganda chooses further marginalize the gun owning community at a time when that are at tremendous risk for societal victimization.

Yo, /u/snally, can we give this bitch a flair with that Jew star with gun owner on it?

I wish, but now that none of the mods know CSS we can't do any more image flairs.

What does femcomm mean BTW. Pretty sure one of you faggots assaulted me by forcing it next to my Name

It takes like 30 min to pick up lol

How old were you when you realised Jack Thompson was actually right?

I have solid proof there were no Africans anywhere near there.

At the highest peak of Sněžka (1,603 m or 5,259 ft), the average temperature is only −0.4 °C (31 °F), whereas in the lowlands of the South Moravian Region, the average temperature is as high as 10 °C (50 °F).

That's proof no one should live there

Found the Floridan

How dare you

I'm 95% certain that this is all the developer stirring up drama to increase sales.

From what I've heard from people who claim to have actually played it, it isn't anything spectacular for the amount of sales it's having.

Why do you hate black people

I think it's damn good for an RPG. No ragrets.

why you lying? the only people shitting it are the usual gazelles.

I'm 95% certain that this is all the developer stirring up drama to increase sales.

>Being this oblivious to the progressive gaming press

It's definitely the best RPG out there if you don't want magic fantasy games.

Why is it called a Black Forest Cake, then?

These faggots need to make everything political.

I'm offended this game about the past was too much like the past. Why don't they have a multiracial society with gender equality and smartphones like we do?

All of which means that a shadow lingers over Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Instead of challenging the Dark Age it reinterprets 615 years later, the game seems to delight in it.

Shiiiittt, you mean history wasn't nice and inclusive and all?

Jesus christ, what a silly soyboy, Why the fuck do all these gaming journos think the world back in the middle-ages was this globalized society with every ethnicity present. Not to mention I can't find info on this "historian" Sean Miller with his (((evidence))) anywhere.

They don't actually think it, this is just standard progressive agitprop where the goal is to normalize sacrificing historical accuracy for "representation" because they're myopic little turds who want their rainbow diversity fantasy to be crowbarred into every piece of media they consume.

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I mean, is he wrong that bohemia was on the silk road? That would make it a heavily used international trade route. I doubt there would be coloured people 24/7 but they wouldnt be an irregular sight either. I'd wager merchants on specific (wool, spices, textiles etc.) market in Prague would be a very diverse bunch.

Now while I agree that the silk road was a giant venture back in the day],the fact is these merchant's would often act more as middle men,and transfer the product from one bloke to the next. And in the cases where the merchants would act directly, these guys would focus on mainly coastal cities. Since they'll sell the shit there,and the product would subsequently diffuse into the market. So you'll rather have a trader from Rome,that picked up spices,ore,silk whatever,and head up to Prague or Paris and sell his wares there.

Edit: also the role of the middle men were primarily Italians or Arabs. Especially during this period of time.

But it is not unlikely, that is my point. There are Arab merchant accounts of Prague from the late 10th century.

I'm not disputing that,I'm disparaging the journos claim that there should be sub-Saharan Africans in a region,Arabs would mostly have stuck with coastal cities. Since there's one place a Muslim in the 15th century wouldn't want to have been it's in a zealously Christian country in the middle of Europe with no ports for quick escape.

Me too, the journo doesnt know what he is talking about or makes leaps without any evidence. No PoC makes sense in the game - you're not in prague and afaik there are no huge market days that could bring people from all over Europe (and beyond). But as a reaction to this journo's ignorance I see another kind of ignorance where people smugly deny there ever being poc in that location in that time. I think the truth is more in the middle. Rare but not that rare that people dropped everything and screeched "demon!" whenever they saw someone with a different skin color.

The Jewish community was pretty significant in Prague, anyway. A lot of Arabs during that time were jewish, so they didn't have to be muslim.

Exactly, and Jews have been in Europe since Roman times already. But since this game literally plays out in 16 square kilometres in bumfuck Bohemia,the peasantry would very likely still have gone ham if they saw anyone of with considerably darker melanin.

Sub-saharan africans? Definitely would freak some people out. But peasants spent most of their time outside. My dad (who is white as hell) works outside all day every day and in the middle of summer he is as brown as an arab. Sometimes even browner. This is the reason why nobles were called blue-blooded, after all.

And I live in western Europe (meaning sea climate) where the summers as shit compared to central Europe.

I'd think the way they'd dress and talk would worry them more, but the same applied to every foreigner.

The Silk Road went through Turkey and during the period that the game took place, the Byzantine Empire based in Constantinople was engaged in a war with the Seljuk Turks who were nomads who lived in yurts. Very little chance of actual trade taking place during a period of high political instability.

What makes you say that? Trade always takes place, war just makes it riskier.

That's an assumption, not a fact. Do you think Seljuk Turk nomads are who are a nomadic people are going to start trading with the heavily Christianised Byzantines? Plus links between Bohemia and the Middle East are indirect. The goods traded from the Middle East would travel through other European kingdoms.

Yours is an assumption too that trade stopped.

I didn't assume it. I said that there is little chance of it based of historical facts. The Turkic people's are not known for such things. Of course you probably don't even know what a Seljuk is.

You keep bringing up the turkic people. Are you a Turk? That explains your refusal to acknowledge there is a whole workd outside of Turkey, lol.

And of course you show an air of authority without so much of a real historical account to show what you are talking about. "Muh facts".

There must be surviving documentation about this, no? Where the arab and european world stopped trading because of the war with the Seljuk Empire.

Edit: also, this game takes place in 1403, if you werent aware. You'd mean Ottomans.

You keep bringing up the turkic people. Are you a Turk? That explains your refusal to acknowledge there is a whole workd outside of Turkey, lol.

I’m South Asian, not a Turk. And i keep bringing up Turkey because if you actually had knowledge of the Silk Road, they were the main link between Europe and the Middle East you absolute retard. That link would obviously be disrupted during a war.

also, this game takes place in 1403, if you werent aware. You'd mean Ottomans.

Lol how you’re trying to sound authoritative. The Ottomans were not the only Turkic group present in Anatolia and in 1403 there was no link between them and Constantinople. Just give up mate, you’re desperately trying to save face but you’re embarrassing yourself. If you’re going to bring up the Silk Road, at least know the situations of the nations it travels through.

You're talking about the Seljuk empire in the 15th century and I'm the one trying to save face here. L O L.

Lol how you're trying to ignore the rest of what I said. And it's pretty easy to tell that all your info comes from a brief glance over Wiki.

Seljuk is an umbrella term to describe all Turkic speakers within Anatolia prior to the 16th century. Of course, somebody who can't even understand the dynamics of trade will struggle with this. I mean it took you 24 hours to to go on Wikipedia lmao.

And aren't you that leftist guy who is constantly acting butthurt on Drama? You understand that you're whitesplaining to a person of colour right now? Check your privilege (and try and read a book).

But nothing you said made any sense at all. Nothing you said is relevant to this discussion.

Youre just posturing and it is painfully obvious. "Hur dur read a book" when you've been nothing but wrong.

Reviewer needs a history lesson.

The Middle-Ages seemed like a dank time to live in, if you were a man.

Nahh, you'd probably be poor and sick as fuck while doing shit work for some inbred noble who ends up raping your wife and killing you

I've played enough skyrim and baldurs gate to know what's up and survive

In reality:

>talks back to noble

>dies in a oubliette

Nahh, you'd probably be poor and sick as fuck while doing shit work for some inbred noble who ends up raping your wife and killing you

So working for Amazon, got it

if you were a man.

More like if you were Hans Capon's bro

The dumbest part is that according to some strange logic that adding minorities to this random nerd game is gonna help anyone. About as empowering as a diverse stock photo.

Jesus fucknugget christ on a dildo people like this fucking mong are why i got triggered enough to sperg out and join gamergate in the first place.

I really don't get this critiscm of the game, it's like people are trying to make their side look whiney and ridiculous

They literally can't resist the bait. It's like when people were printing off those "it's okay to be mayo" signs. They only did that because they knew some soy infested twink couldn't help themselves to argue against it.

Looked up the author's twitter, soy overload confirmed.

"We know there were black moors in spain" Jesus fuck can this imbecile seriously look into spanish history . The moors weren't an ethnicity. It was term used to anyone who was a muslim. These ignorant faggot mayos I swear.

99% of their justification for black people in pre-colonial Europe amounts to an extended screed of "ree the Sahara don't real anyone from north Africa is automatically black!"

Did you not know that Spain is the capital of Africa?

Here's a fun game for everyone, when you come across a lack of diversity article we should always credit the author fully by posting their bio and face shot. Certainly everyone would respect this article more if they could see the sane and intelligent individual behind it's writing?

"You just can't know nobody got sick and stayed a longer time," he says. "What if a group of black Africans came through and stayed at an inn and someone got pregnant? Even one night is enough for a pregnancy."

This is the reviewer's historian buddy's entire basis for criticizing the developer. Jesus Fucking Christ. "YOU JUST DON'T KNOW, MAN!" Better throw out all your research and make the game look like an episode of Doctor Who, where medieval Britain was apparently more diverse than 2018 America.

I'm all for representation, but for fuck's sake...

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