How do you deal with anti-North Korean Western propaganda?

147  2018-04-05 by MasterLawlz

I personally visited North Korea recently and was astounded how different it was than I had been told. It was easily the most technologically advanced and well fed country I had ever seen. I was told it was the primary basis of inspiration for Wakanda. In fact, their obesity ratio is nearly 100%, but due to medical advancements, their citizens live to 120 years old on average. It’s such a shame that the western capitalist countries have painted such a negative view of a great nation.

How do you respond to all this misleading propaganda?

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You know that Matt Damon movie where a selected few live in utopia, while the rest live in squalor? IRL, North Korea is the utopia and WE are living in squalor. But the most fucked up thing is the fact that North Korea is fine with letting everyone have their glorious way of life; its just the West, notably the US,recognizes that its easier to control people when they are struggling to eat day-to-day. My life goal is to become a true Juche Korean People's Citizen (I'm getting myself genetically spliced; wish me luck!)

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Make sure it's one way only.

I'll pay for half a ticket. They can push him out of the plane halfway across the Pacific.

According to your "doxx" you're literally from North Korea.

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Why use a plane when a missile works?

MasterLawlz isn't worth a million-dollar missile.

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Actually they're not really that substantially lower than any other country per capita with a similar lack of development. I'm guessing it's because they still use really dirty mining methods.

According to this, they're ahead of most of southeast Asia and Africa in emissions, even India (though that's obviously because there are just so many goddamn Indians).

Studying economics, I often see markets taken for granted as some sort of Panglossian utopian economic form, a cure-all potion that does not need to be investigated beyond the label (much less have its history or ingredients critically examined). I also often hear from mutualists who are convinced that markets operating with substantially different ideas of property rights and financial institutions (in short, co-operatives and public banking) represent the way forward for socialists. I believe instead that there are several serious issues with the functioning of markets that should make us quite careful about uncritically promoting them. As with all economic institutions, they have benefits but also drawbacks, and their use needs to be examined with that in mind.

These drawbacks can probably best be introduced by comparing and contrasting with another form of economic system commonly proposed by socialists and anarchists of all stripes. Let’s therefore look at gift economies to see what light can be shed on the workings and problems of markets. These also solve what is popularly known as the “economic calculation problem”, but before getting deep into them, there is one important caveat to note about gift economies: a hard upper limit on scale. Their proper functioning really depends on most people in the economy having some sort of a social relationship with everyone else, because those who are “defecting” from the arrangement need to be effectively detected and punished in whatever manner (a severe demotion of social stature in the community, perhaps).

Dunbar’s number, or the “suggested cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships—relationships in which an individual knows who each person is and how each person relates to every other person”, probably gives us a rough guide to the upper limit here. It’s been estimated to be from 100 to 250 people with a best guess of 150, which lines up with anthropological studies of tribal gift-based societies and the like. Communities that are much larger than a couple hundred people would find it difficult to effectively transmit accurate information about the “defectors”, their numbers would rise, and the gift economy would break down over time.

That being said, and assuming we’re talking about a gift economy based around a small enough population that everyone is capable of detecting people who shirk on their social commitments to give to others, then there are some clear differences with markets that should become apparent when looking at how they work. Gift economies revolve around an implicit community mandate, where each member of the community produces certain goods and services as per their aptitude and interest, and distributes them to those who need or want those goods and services. This may reasonably be combined with some other assumptions, like a state of effective post-scarcity for certain staple foods and materials that ensures everyone has a base standard of living no matter what happens with the gift economy. What is important is that nobody measures the value of the contributions of each member of the community in any quantitative sense like in a market, but keeps track of a rough sense of fairness (based on labor time, hardship involved in production, difficulty in gaining the skills necessary for a given occupation, or a combination of these things) to make sure nobody is shirking on their social commitments.

Gift economies are not just about close friends or family – indeed you are not required to have an extremely close relationship with literally everyone in the community – but this social commitment will tend to reinforce social bonds among its participants. This may seem strange from the perspective of those living in an advanced market society, who may not even know the names of their neighbors, but it is not odd when viewed with a historical lens. Put simply, if you know everyone else in your community, know who is currently in need, etc, then it is your responsibility to give things you produce from time to time to different people independent of how much you like them or how strong your particular social bond with them is. So as an example, if you make musical instruments, and you know that someone’s kid wants to learn how to play the guitar, you make a guitar for them one week. When word gets around that your wife would like some jewelry, or your husband needs some new razors, one of the people who produce that good (either as an individual artisan or as part of a workplace collective) will come by with some. The information of who wants what can be transmitted and mediated by normal conversations between members of the community, bulletin board (digital or otherwise), etc. Again, our scale constraint is important here. If John Smith who you’ve never heard of needs a guitar according to some bulletin board, it may be a lot easier to put off creating it than if you see John Doe at a town hall meeting every weekend who talks about his kid’s desire to learn music. That being said, gift economies do pop up in unexpected places. Unlike in markets, where the primary problem facing a producer is how to maximize the difference between input costs and market prices aka profits, and then by Adam Smith’s Invisible Hand (in fact this was literally the Hand of God) everyone is supposed to be better off when individuals act in this manner, producers in a gift economy are doing something else. The producer in a gift society can still be seen as self-interested, but their goal is to gain social stature and prestige by directly fulfilling the needs of other members of the community instead of being self-interested by directly chasing profits and hoping (for as we know it is mostly just hope) the secondary effect of this behavior actually improves the community. As recounted by David Graeber:

“Freuchen tells how one day, after coming home hungry from an unsuccessful walrus-hunting expedition, he found one of the successful hunters dropping off several hundred pounds of meat. He thanked him profusely. The man objected indignantly: "Up in our country we are human!" said the hunter. "And since we are human we help each other. We don't like to hear anybody say thanks for that. What I get today you may get tomorrow. Up here we say that by gifts one makes slaves and by whips one makes dogs. Every society has social, political and economic institutions that are structured to encourage some aspects of human nature and to constrain others. A gift economy pushes people to focus on building up social bonds with others, to understand their emotional and physical needs, to better communicate with them. A market economy pushes people to focus on learning how to quantitatively measure value, to calculate, to scheme, to cut deals.

The "discount rate" in financial markets is a measure of how much we value future flows of money, akin to an interest rate but working backward from the future to the present, or “dividing” instead of “multiplying” as you go further into the future. A dollar in ten years is worth much less than a dollar today, because people prefer to consume now rather than in ten years. One common idea of the discount rate today is whatever the risk-free interest rate is, itself generally accepted to be what you can get by buying an American government bond. In the short term this varies (it is especially low today), but historically under capitalism it is usually somewhere between 3-7%, and even under non-capitalist societies interest rates have tended to be somewhere around there What does a discount rate that high tell us? Well, here's a fun question to think about. If a meteor was predicted to hit the Earth in a century and totally destroy all human life, how much would today's stock market dip? Assume everything else remained equal and there was no destructive panic; i.e just wipe out the present value of the relevant dividends from a century onward, using a discount rate of 5% or so. A stock's value is basically the sum of its discounted future dividends for each year, where every successive year matters a little bit less because you are discounting (dividing) by more and more. The answer is that it would be a dip of a couple percentage points at best, which is quite staggering when you think about it. Markets tend to generate a time preference so skewed toward the present day that even catastrophic problems approaching from far in the future are not really “seen” as important until they get close – often too close to deal with effectively. Perhaps because many aspects of human life cannot be effectively priced the way tangible goods and services can. Now, this isn’t really a problem if the political and planning apparatuses of society are not taking their implicit time preference from the financial markets, and can act independently. But that’s not true of today’s society. You might even casually define “late stage capitalism” as a society where capitalist norms and markets have intruded into almost all areas of life and politics, to the point where decision making and planning is based around market ideas of the discount rate!

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Wtf I love unironic anti-capitalism now

The ancient Chinese Emperors, even the bad ones, were trained to have the weight of a thousand years on their shoulders – what was inconceivably far in the future for a market was merely a moment for them. It seems to have made for more stable societies as a result.

You might almost think PK is guilty of Orientalism if not for his deep and utterly believable love and respect for the moisture farmers of Madagascar or whoever he uses as an excuse for his bullshit.

Whose alt is this?

Lemme guess, P_KKK?

Actually you should blow your load whenever you have the chance to. That is what I have done and that is what true power really comes to.

There is magnificent power in the wealth of cum and of the act of cumming.

I have found that it is better to let it consume you, retaining it only hinders yourself and serves evil.

When I say evil I mean the moral busybodies who try to shame you for pleasure.

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I do what I always do: continue campaigning for the demoding of MasterLawlz

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Nah, Ed as a mod is to Trump what Lawlz is to W.

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That’s like voting third party, just wasting time tbh

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I never use cussing in 22 years - but the gloves are off. Listen you son of a bitch. What the fuck's your problem? You wanna sit here and say that I'm a goddamn fucking Russian? You get in my face with that I'll beat your goddamn ass you son of a bitch. You piece of shit. You fucking goddamn fucker. Listen fuckhead, you've fucking crossed the line. Get that through your goddamn fucking head. Stop pushing your shit. You're the people who've fucked this country over and gangraped the shit out of it and lost an election, so stop shooting your mouth off claiming that I'm the enemy. You got that you goddamn son of a bitch. Fill your hand, I'm sorry but I'm done. You start calling me a foreign agent, those are fucking fighting words, excuse me.

What propaganda? Propaganda is for the lower people.

I make retard posts like u/predof

So edgy... You're welcome to give any sort of proof of what I've said being false, or you could just stay out of communist subs if hearing other opinions really upsets you so much.

Wakanda was actually based on North Korea, but with Africans so as to be inclusive.

If anyone wants to see how beautiful Korea is for themselves, check out https://www.instagram.com/lady_katherina__ on Instagram! She lives in North Korea and posts daily pictures from her life.

Looks weird... They have more cars than that. Like 30, at least.

Please tell me she’s not married to that manlet.

She is

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Every time I hear someone badmouth Juche, I add another person to the Mayocide "to do" list.

Go phone bank and MATCH ME for Bernie Sanders 2016.

That'll show the world the power of socialism!!

thank god i dont have to live this shitty life until im 120 for starters

did you steal a sign while you were there

Un ironically I feel like Un is in a tough spot he was put into his position through nepotism. Seems like he’s doing what he can do for the people economy sector. It’s easy to judge looking from the outside.

Nice try Kim Jong Un

In fact, their obesity ratio is nearly 100%,

Ugh. Found the anti-North Korean Western propaganda right there. People in Best Korea are perfectly nourished and look like models and Olympic athletes due to the advances in nutrition and plastic surgery. Not like the fatties in the evil capitalist U.S.