Yeah, absolutely. Feminism really could use a marketing reboot. Or, dare I say it, a marketing makeover. Like someone said about feminism: "Oh no, we don't hate men. We just named everything bad after them."

If the goal really is to change male behavior, wouldn't you want to talk to men in a way that gets them to listen and change their behavior? But for many people they seem to care more about being right, and about sticking with things they're used to / comfortable with.

removed

AND banned....probably.

wouldn't you want to talk to men in a way that gets them to listen and change their behavior?

Nice Try I know nagging when I see it

I'm okay with this.

The more they silence and antagonize rational people who sympathize with them, the more fun it is to watch everything devolve into chaos.

So basically, this is good for dramacoin.

https://i.imgur.com/JXbBhU2.jpg

You need to go back to non-stop masturbating.

wtf i hate suffrage now!?!

Lol of course it was. It needs to be fully cucked there.

Well, you know what they say - to remove something, you must have it at first.

The thing is, all masculinity is inherently toxic by default. Let's think of typical masculine traits, for instance being strong. Why is this a desirable trait? Well obviously because it's easier for a strong man to overpower and rape women. Hence we should strive to remove any and all masculinity from our lives to better ourselves.

This presupposes that rape is bad.

Rape committed by men is in fact bad.

It’s the only way for empowered feminists to get their vitamin D. Therefor it’s in fact quite good.

Interesting theory.

What about rape committed by gentlexirs who identify as ladies

This comment strikes me as even worse than problematic, it is – may Allah forgive me for uttering this word – transphobic.

I'm not really afraid of trans as much as I simply despise them with all my heart.

You're just jealous of their ability to gain unrestricted access to women's restrooms.

Eh, I don't want to be around women while they are shitting.

Eh, I don't want to be around women while they are shitting.

This subreddit really went downhill after hitting 50,000 subscribers.

We're all just re-regs of the same 500 idiots.

Hello /u/SocialistEphebophile /u/BigLordShiggot

A man after my own heart.

If you wanna watch them run in circles ask them for an example of "positive masculinity."

They find themselves in a pickle. They'll backpedal out and start talking about how "we shouldn't assign positive traits to specific genders."

u/Vacartu u/BigD1966 u/seeking-abyss

The positive aspects of masculinity are no longer coded as masculine because women must be equally capable and likely of exemplifying them. So the only things left that are allowed to be masculine are bad things. This combined with Patriarchy theory basically spiraled into the notion that almost all bad things are masculine and no good things are.

The feminine role was also destroyed but not just by feminism. The role of housewife was made useless, miserable, and lonely by machines that made chores easy and social atomization. I see Feminism as a response to this - "Our role is dead let us be men". So we did but most weren't suited to that and either lucked into more feminine careers without any societal guidance or became bitter and demanded masculine fields become more feminine.

And now we get to r/menslib, not really aggrieved by anything more than their own pathetic and rapey nature, and not really representative of any large group in society just a small detestable minority of snakes. They see the feminization of male fields, the demonization of masulinity and they just take them both right up the bussy with glee. Dreaming of how they, lacking any masculine features, will increasingly be viewed as the ideal and get more time alone with women with whom they will indulge their dark habits.

I agree but please do not write comments this long on reddit. thanks.

wow this

https://i.imgur.com/DRBvuG4.jpg

U need to get laid

backpage was taken down :(

The normal way, by talking to people and making them like you

What do you think that comment was for? After I reap all that karma I'll be drowning in buss-ay!

Gussy ewwww

user reports:
1: Enforce your own fucking rules, you cunts.

This comment breaks no rules, my anonymous friend :^)

Very toxic to say cunt, soyboys.

We have rules?

1. Remove kebab
2. Post bussy

Serbia_irl

Try to remove me, wh*Te.

Ok. GTFO of the West.

K A R A B O Ğ A takes, and fragile little wh*Tes have to deal with it.

Kinda.

YIKES!

they are threatened by it so of course they do

The world would be a better place if menslib soybois transitioned into qt traps

I see you too are a man of culture and taste.

Dilate to end the hate

Only cute traps. Not disgusting heshes like /u/chocolateandicecream, who is just some nasty dude in a wig.

I feel like you just mean pinged. I'd report you if 1) I knew how, 2) I knew for sure that it's against the rules, or 3) cared.

You do know that every trans woman starts out with just wearing a wig right or dressing feminine, right? It's usually part of the process to let someone begin hormone therapy in the first place.

They shouldn't be "let" begin HRT, they should be forced to begin HRT.

When did this

Become hotter than this?

All betas are beautiful. End masculinity today.

I've never really understood that concept of toxic masculinity

Its like you find a whole lot of faults individuals tend to have, and then assign it to an entire sex rather than the individuals with the faults

Furthermore, a lot of what menslib/feminist subs point out as toxic masculinity isn't even 'toxic'. Assigning individual traits to a group and assigning the traits as toxic is in fact more toxic than the traits themselves

Sure, I understand if you don't want the traits to be seen as a norm, but calling the traits and the entire group you're assigning the traits to toxic is pretty bullshit

If you actually don't understand generalizations, you may want to get tested for autism.

I understand generalisations I don't understand the logic behind them

The only way to predict the future is to pick up a pattern and expect it to hold. Since every object is unique, abstracting their properties and generalizing a pattern for an entire class allows you to predict the behavior of an object without having previous direct experiences with it. I.e. you don't need to have ever met a specific tiger to know it's dangerous as fuck to ented his cage, because tigers in general are aggressive.

It's supposed to refer to tropes that lead men to make self-destructive choices. Like the whole pick-up truck thing, if you believe the whole "real men have trucks" thing, you'll find yourself $40k poorer at some point for no legitimate reason.

So the presumption that 'real men have trucks', is what's considered toxic here, right?

And not male truck owners, or masculinity as a whole

In that case they basically agree with MRAs. They're both against male stereotypes, but one of them uses a shitty term for it

So the presumption that 'real men have trucks', is what's considered toxic here, right?

Yep.

And not male truck owners, or masculinity as a whole

Yep.

In that case they basically agree with MRAs. They're both against male stereotypes, but one of them uses a shitty term for it

On this point, yes. This discussion had been going on for a while on the left before "toxic masculinity" became a buzzword, but I think it was ambiguous and inflammatory enough that the press saw they could run with it, and here we are.

But since have "real men have x" even considered to be part of masculinity instead of usual dick swinging contest?

a 2002 ford ranger is like $4000 for a clean one

don't buy one though, it's probably the worst car ever made

only good for sliding around snowing parking lots drunk at 4 am

a 2002 ford ranger is like $4000 for a clean one

Used trucks don't get you mancred though, it has to be new.

I think you'll find this is the correct mode of transportation for the typical /r/Drama/ subscriber.

I've never really understood that concept of toxic masculinity

Not every man has a toxic masculinity. I certainly do, as my masculinity is definitely a choking hazard.

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Guys the term "toxic masculinity" totally isn't anti-male y'all are being too sensitive no you cannot say "toxic femininity" gtfo banned.

Menslib wants to remove masculinity

They already did for themselves, with scissors.

Funny, I want to remove kebab

/u/shallowm told you /u/SocialistEphebophile aka /u/biglordshiggot had a hateboner for muzzies

I know, I was in doubt if he hated Jews, not Muslims.

both actually, lulz

Your karma activity on my comments tell me you haven't actually blocked me like you said you would. That's a good thing ( ͡° ͜ʖ ) ͡°

Blocking is a sign of fragile masculinity

/u/Leftist_Degenerate pls respond

Pinging is a sign of toxic masculinity

yer mum'z a fag

/u/Leftist_Degenerate

thank u comrade!!

lmao they care more about the words used to desribe their theories than they do helping men

If my way of helping the black community was to call out 'toxic blackness' what self respecting black person would listen to me. I could have the solution to racism and they wouldn't want to hear it because I used a phrase that implied I was a racist dickhead. There's me retarded hottake.

It makes sense, though. Go on worldstarhiphop and you'll see some examples of "toxic blackness" used in the same sense that menslib uses "toxic masculinity." Racists are the most likely to use that made up term. In conclusion, horseshoe theory is correct and radical centrism is the only correct ideology.

I get what they're saying, but a lot of those guys are just as insecure as the guys they're pushing back against. It's like, the meatheads are better able to understand the grammar of juxtaposing "manly" products and behaviors, so let's respond to their LARPing by redefining masculinity in a way that we win. Just call them retards for believing "real men are X, do Y, and buy Z," and be done with them.

GussyLib at it again

Toxic masculinity? More like awesomic masculinity!

https://www.ceddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/8ai0j0/an_icelandic_campaign_against_toxic_masculinity/

Imagine spending all your time typing what's going to get deleted by their faggy mods anyway

Soyboys upset that masculinity is toxic to them is like roaches being upset that RAID is toxic to roaches.

MensLib mods

We aren't gonna debate feminist terminology. That means terms like toxic masculinity. Not terms like pussy pass.

Last warning. Don't be a smartass.

imagine having your head this far up your ass. "toxic masculinity is fine but pussy pass IS NOT OK"

/u/BreShark how do you manage it? surely it can't be comfortable

The moderation team would like to remind everyone that this is a space to discuss issues, but not terminology

"You can debate everything except the things we don't want you debating cause we're right you're wrong fuck you"

Once the left seizes a word, you arent allowed to discuss it anymore. See: gender

that sub is the soy capital of the Internet