I'm not even sure what your point is. Yeah I'd rather sleep with a dakimakura of my waifu Renge-chan than with some random 3D slut but that doesn't mean I'm desperate, it's the opposite, it implies that I have standards.
I don't think anyone's saying that they're surprised that musicians influence each other, it's more that this song is obviously treading the line between influence and plagiarism. It's subjective but they definitely do sound quite similar to me.
It seems clear that it was an influence. It doesn't bother me. The great majority of artists working in any genre produce mostly derivative work. Artists imitate other artists.
It's not a direct rip-off, but having listened to it, it seems very likely that D-glover or some intern at his record company heard the song and was inspired to make This is America off the back of it.
Everyone in that thread is arguing whether it's theft or not, but the real issue is that a massive star like him could borrow from some unknown soundcloud musician and not give the guy a shout-out. That's just a dick move.
To me, these near copies are the worst. The instrumentals on the verses have been changed just enough to give Glover legal cover, that's clear intent to both steal someone else work and deny them payment for it. The message is clear, "I stole your shit, you can't afford to sue me because there is a chance you might lose. Get fucked."
In most cases, it's because Call Me Maybe has a slavish devotion to a I-vi-IV-V chord progression, which is exceedingly compatible with anything in a major key. And it's 1 chord per measure, which is really easy to get mashed up with stuff. Everything sounds good with "Get Lucky" for basically the same reason.
In this case it's just because they build up every 4 measures, and they're both right at about 120 BPM, so the transitions in the video happen with the transitions in the song.
IANAL and I've never had to sue someone for infringement or anything, but I'm like 99% sure you could find a decent lawyer who'd be willing to work on contingency for a case like that. Donglover's got some deep-ass pockets and convincing a mostly-white jury that those are the same song seems like an absolute slam dunk.
Odds are though the artist still loves Donglover and will take whatever his equivalent of the "sorry we killed your son, here's free tickets to skip the lines at Magic Kingdom" compensation is.
Check out Avril 14th and Blame Game. Kanye just told Aphex Twin to go fuck himself and he had no protection because sheet music isn't protected by IP law and he has someone else play it.
*Marvin Gaye, and it's basically the same song (same beat and bass riff). Give it a listen. Even then, I was surprised they ruled this way. It's extremely difficult to win one of these suits, especially with how much rap relies on sampling.
While I was in a Band and composed songs for us, I would also sit down and listen to a song i really like and think of how I would compose something similar. Yet even if you would listen to the songs side by side you couldn't really tell I was influenced by it that much unless I point out the parts which I tried to imitate.
what I am trying to say is that lots of musicians listen to something, feel inspired and think of a way to create something similar, but their own style influences it sometimes so much that it barely resembles the original.
Just admit that all of your songs were basically just variations of All Star by Smashmouth or Pachelbel's Canon in D and that your friends were just too polite to point it out.
How is it a dick move? That's pretty much how inspiration works. No one creates and writes in a vacuum. It's also possible that it just happened to sound like it, trap music is pretty formulaic and doesn't lend itself to tons of options.
It's really not. You can also come up with your own shit. Listening to someone else's song and then figuring out how to copy it without getting in trouble is not inspired.
well you seee son, stealing someone elses music and passing it off as your own, bathing in the accolades, and making lots of money off it...is a dick move
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What the fuck are you talking about, This is America was finished 3 years ago while the worked on the video. If anyone, Jase should thank DG for the inspiration on HIS track.
Imagine having to steal a song that mediocre. I thought that it was going to be really good given the hype around it but it sounds exactly the same as the other garnage rappers have been churning out these past few years.
Rap fans have unbelievably bad taste. At least with other genres you can understand why a song is popular even if it sucks but I have no idea how rap fans judge things.
Like Kendrick Lamar is supposed to be the best shit around right now and he's the most boring generic shit I've ever heard.
I get that. I used to never listen to rap, and I still share that view of certain rappers just seeming to mumble or be as emotionless as possible (Drake for me, I don’t get him) .
After a friend introduced me to some 90’s rap and some newer artists I’ve found a niche of rap that I can enjoy. I agree with you honestly, it’s hard to listen to a lot of rap. The songs that get me are in the area of Joyner Lucas/Some of Eminem’s songs, where there’s a shit-ton of emotion and passion behind the lyrics.
It’s hard for me to identify with much else, but if there’s a story in the song other than “bitches, money, etc” I’m open to it.
Kendrick really blew up in status bc his 2013 BET cypher verse was shockingly good, then his next two releases had a super accessible, modern sound while treading then-hot politically territory
also come on Pimp a Butterfly ain’t generic, at least when it came out. it’s barely even rap
The part from 00:33-00:51 in the Soundcloud rapper's song sounds extremely similar to the part from 00:51 to 01:22 in DongLover's song.
Then again, both parts are quite minimalist so could it have been subconscious plagiarism or just coincidence? Who the fuck knows dude. Every 12-bar blues-based song sounds extremely similar to all other 12-bar blues-based songs too. These plagiarism discussions are always a subjective-as-fuck shitfest.
I thought I came up with an original melody the other day but it turns out it used the major scale, so I had to throw that one out. Twelve-tone tone rows are the only way to go now.
I was gonna make a song with a guitar but I realized every string on a guitar has been played so now I have to make my own instrument fml #musiciansstruggle
Lots of people in the HHH thread are saying the same thing, but as a songwriter I see a ton of similarities in the structure, the tone, the instruments. It's just all been changed enough to be deniable. That didn't save Robin Thicke though with the Blurred Lines lawsuit (even though that was bullshit imo).
Yeah, I'm sure he's delighted that he put in all that time and effort into making a meaningful and legible song just to have some worthless hack mumble like a retard instead and become instant hot shit because he made an edgy film clip.
Cracker has to be like, my favorite pejorative racial term. It’s just so offensive to black people, and yet if used as if it’s offensive to white people. It was originally used by black people about white people in reference to cracking whips, and not in reference to the color of edible crackers.
Pretty sure it came from the OG white trash Americans the Florida/Georgia crackers. And those dudes weren't whipping black people, they were way too poor to afford slaves.
I heard enough to know he stole it from that guy. Glover’s music career is finally over. He can now go back to doing comedies so I can enjoy him again.
i don't know, i don't think i want the new, openly pretentious Donald "I'm not making a TV show, I'm making an experience" Glover anywhere near...anything
i was going to watch Atlanta, but the more i heard about it the more it sounded insufferable, then he came out with that line and i completely wrote it off.
So i checked it out just now, and while there are lots of similarities, I wouldn't call it a straight up rip off, more like, similar components taken as inspiration.
The flow is very similar, but so it is for 99% of modern rappers.
The african background chant is in theme the same but execution sounds very different.
And the topic isn't really unique either, lots of rappers rap about being black in america.
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/u/fuzzydunlots is probably into that rap style where they regurgitate a lot of words and fancy phrases to look big brained, but its just word soup. I forget the term for it. Aesop Rock is a good example of that style, but done well.
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You are smug and self-satisfying. You are the problem. There should be a "delete" button below your posts. Start clicking them after you post and you'll find that /r/drama starts to improve.
So many songs had the same subject matter as this is America before it came out, that song doesn’t sound very similar at all, I feel like people who don’t listen to that type of music see the obvious similarities, but they could’ve been shown so many similar songs and had the same reaction idk about any sort of copying when it comes to criticisms of being black in America
This is really good for dramacoin, reddits current darling is going to split the entire community in half because so many people are going to stay loyal and deny any wrongdoing while the contrarians are going to use this opportunity to completely shit on him.
Personally I never cared for the song and thought it was simplistic and sounded almost like a parody of shallow trap music. That being said I think to say he directly borrowed from that song is a stretch. The only thing I see similar is the triplet flow and chorus, along with the whole "Black in america" line. That's pretty vague and you can probably find a whole other mess of songs that sound similar.
Shit if we're going off of these standards, then the rock/metal/punk community are constantly "stealing" songs.
All of those things are common compositional elements. There's no evidence that Donald Glover has even heard "American Pharaoh."
Given that one of the compositional techniques they used was "frequent texture swaps," you would expect that brief sections of the two songs would sound very similar. But if you listen closer to 2 similar sections of the song it's clear that they went about achieving similar effects differently. At the very least, they both did their own work.
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1 SnapshillBot 2018-06-25
I'm not even sure what your point is. Yeah I'd rather sleep with a dakimakura of my waifu Renge-chan than with some random 3D slut but that doesn't mean I'm desperate, it's the opposite, it implies that I have standards.
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1 PresidentYe 2018-06-25
How dare artists be influenced by other artists.
1 TheEquimanthorn 2018-06-25
I don't think anyone's saying that they're surprised that musicians influence each other, it's more that this song is obviously treading the line between influence and plagiarism. It's subjective but they definitely do sound quite similar to me.
1 PresidentYe 2018-06-25
It seems clear that it was an influence. It doesn't bother me. The great majority of artists working in any genre produce mostly derivative work. Artists imitate other artists.
If its subjective then its not plagiarism.
1 thereturnofjagger 2018-06-25
tbf it wasnt the influence the outrage was over but rather the lack of credit
artists sample stuff all the time, but they usually mention where they took it from or clear the samples at least before use
1 eyemun 2018-06-25
If they think that's bad, they're going to be really upset when they realise their untalented hero is nothing more than a generic media hack.
1 cultish_alibi 2018-06-25
It's not a direct rip-off, but having listened to it, it seems very likely that D-glover or some intern at his record company heard the song and was inspired to make This is America off the back of it.
Everyone in that thread is arguing whether it's theft or not, but the real issue is that a massive star like him could borrow from some unknown soundcloud musician and not give the guy a shout-out. That's just a dick move.
1 nyekks 2018-06-25
happens all the time
1 jorio 2018-06-25
Haha, this wasn't an intern.
To me, these near copies are the worst. The instrumentals on the verses have been changed just enough to give Glover legal cover, that's clear intent to both steal someone else work and deny them payment for it. The message is clear, "I stole your shit, you can't afford to sue me because there is a chance you might lose. Get fucked."
1 Deathcrow 2018-06-25
Yep. Producers/Composers who churn out these hits know exactly what they're doing. Something like "This is America" is very carefully crafted.
1 skivian 2018-06-25
They should have carefully crafted harder.
1 Bluest_waters 2018-06-25
should have gotten more interns involved
dozens of interns
1 newcomer_ts 2018-06-25
I'd say theye were too careful...
1 Ichewsyou876 2018-06-25
Lol why does every song get mashed with "call me maybe"?
and still sound good.1 VioletBroregarde 2018-06-25
In most cases, it's because Call Me Maybe has a slavish devotion to a I-vi-IV-V chord progression, which is exceedingly compatible with anything in a major key. And it's 1 chord per measure, which is really easy to get mashed up with stuff. Everything sounds good with "Get Lucky" for basically the same reason.
In this case it's just because they build up every 4 measures, and they're both right at about 120 BPM, so the transitions in the video happen with the transitions in the song.
1 FcpEcvRtq 2018-06-25
And the best thing is how retards are defending him with "they're totally different songs, like theres no synth bro"
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
if Vanilla Ice can get away with it
1 KingWayneX 2018-06-25
He did not...
Did he?
1 LobotomistCircu 2018-06-25
IANAL and I've never had to sue someone for infringement or anything, but I'm like 99% sure you could find a decent lawyer who'd be willing to work on contingency for a case like that. Donglover's got some deep-ass pockets and convincing a mostly-white jury that those are the same song seems like an absolute slam dunk.
Odds are though the artist still loves Donglover and will take whatever his equivalent of the "sorry we killed your son, here's free tickets to skip the lines at Magic Kingdom" compensation is.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-06-25
He didn't sample and you can't protect an idea.
Check out Avril 14th and Blame Game. Kanye just told Aphex Twin to go fuck himself and he had no protection because sheet music isn't protected by IP law and he has someone else play it.
The guy is fucked but I don't honestly see it.
1 PM_ME_YOUR_DARKNESS 2018-06-25
Also, listen to the opening riff from from Spirit's Taurus. It's the same fucking lick from Stairway to Heaven. Jury cleared Led Zeppelin.
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
damn near all of Zeppelin’s songs were note-for-note copies of existing works lol
1 evannever 2018-06-25
Didn't Robin Thicke have to pay out to Smokey Robinson's family?
1 PM_ME_YOUR_DARKNESS 2018-06-25
*Marvin Gaye, and it's basically the same song (same beat and bass riff). Give it a listen. Even then, I was surprised they ruled this way. It's extremely difficult to win one of these suits, especially with how much rap relies on sampling.
1 evannever 2018-06-25
Ah yeah, thanks for the correction, and I was surprised too.
1 LobotomistCircu 2018-06-25
Huey Lewis did it to Ray Parker jr, and I'd argue their two songs are much less similar.
1 RealJackAnchor 2018-06-25
"I stole your shit, you can't afford to sue me because there is a chance you might lose. Get fucked."
This is AmericaI'm sorry
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
emulation is how artistic ideas are shared and expounded upon you philistine
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
you prolly think Mozart was a hack too
1 Orsonius 2018-06-25
While I was in a Band and composed songs for us, I would also sit down and listen to a song i really like and think of how I would compose something similar. Yet even if you would listen to the songs side by side you couldn't really tell I was influenced by it that much unless I point out the parts which I tried to imitate.
what I am trying to say is that lots of musicians listen to something, feel inspired and think of a way to create something similar, but their own style influences it sometimes so much that it barely resembles the original.
1 kwawyy 2018-06-25
Just admit that all of your songs were basically just variations of All Star by Smashmouth or Pachelbel's Canon in D and that your friends were just too polite to point it out.
1 Orsonius 2018-06-25
Nope I took this song as inspiration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4GK-nlmebk
1 Jukk 2018-06-25
Suprised to find post-rock posted on r/drama of all places!
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
/u/Orsonius fucking roasted, now on keep yourself safe watch 🤣🤣🤣🤣
1 alphetasauce 2018-06-25
How is it a dick move? That's pretty much how inspiration works. No one creates and writes in a vacuum. It's also possible that it just happened to sound like it, trap music is pretty formulaic and doesn't lend itself to tons of options.
1 cultish_alibi 2018-06-25
It's really not. You can also come up with your own shit. Listening to someone else's song and then figuring out how to copy it without getting in trouble is not inspired.
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
it’s called emulation and every musician does it to some extent
1 menvaren 2018-06-25
I loved his band The Theorem.
1 Bluest_waters 2018-06-25
well you seee son, stealing someone elses music and passing it off as your own, bathing in the accolades, and making lots of money off it...is a dick move
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
but they remade the music
no one wanted to pay money for the original version
1 shitpersonality 2018-06-25
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1 Bluest_waters 2018-06-25
intern?
fuck me i need to get some interns so i can have people to blame for everything that goes wrong
dead body in the close? fucking intern shenanigans again!
1 PaperBlake 2018-06-25
That was literally Peter Madsen's defense when they found murder porn on his computer.
1 dramasexual 2018-06-25
Legit, after reading the comments I was expecting them to be WAY less similar.
The original is way better tbh.
1 EmperorofEarf 2018-06-25
What the fuck are you talking about, This is America was finished 3 years ago while the worked on the video. If anyone, Jase should thank DG for the inspiration on HIS track.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-06-25
Hmmmmmm.....
1 -absolutego- 2018-06-25
Lol if a triplet flow over a trap beat is enough to constitute plagiarism then everyone on soundcloud is in big trouble.
1 excitebyke 2018-06-25
people always talk about how much rappers have great rhythm in their raps.
its always triplets, or straight 8th notes.
motherfuckers need to listen to some john coltrane.
1 thereturnofjagger 2018-06-25
dont catch you slippin up 🕺🏽
1 IFuckedZoeQuinn 2018-06-25
Holy shit they're right. This song sounds just as shitty as This Is America.
1 snallygaster 2018-06-25
Imagine having to steal a song that mediocre. I thought that it was going to be really good given the hype around it but it sounds exactly the same as the other garnage rappers have been churning out these past few years.
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
it’s music you gotta be able to touch and feel
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
let them touch these things
1 headasplodes 2018-06-25
Rap fans have unbelievably bad taste. At least with other genres you can understand why a song is popular even if it sucks but I have no idea how rap fans judge things.
Like Kendrick Lamar is supposed to be the best shit around right now and he's the most boring generic shit I've ever heard.
1 HostOfTheNightmare 2018-06-25
I get that. I used to never listen to rap, and I still share that view of certain rappers just seeming to mumble or be as emotionless as possible (Drake for me, I don’t get him) .
After a friend introduced me to some 90’s rap and some newer artists I’ve found a niche of rap that I can enjoy. I agree with you honestly, it’s hard to listen to a lot of rap. The songs that get me are in the area of Joyner Lucas/Some of Eminem’s songs, where there’s a shit-ton of emotion and passion behind the lyrics.
It’s hard for me to identify with much else, but if there’s a story in the song other than “bitches, money, etc” I’m open to it.
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
please be a teenager
1 freet0 2018-06-25
Yeah drake's popularity makes no sense to me. He's literally not good at anything.
1 TropicL3mon 2018-06-25
You’re allowed to not like his music but saying he’s “literally not good at anything” is just flat-out retarded.
1 freet0 2018-06-25
hm lets see what makes a good rap artist and if drake has any of those qualities
-good voice - nope
-clever wordplay - nope
-interesting stories - nope
-technically sophisticated rhymes - nope
-emotional resonance - nope
-catchy melodies - nope
-sick beats - occasionally when someone else makes them
drake a shit
1 TropicL3mon 2018-06-25
I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on this because it's all pretty stupid but I'll address them.
Subjective.
Subjective.
Subjective.
Subjective. And also yes, rappers in general don't tend to make their own beats.
Yes, he has songs with these qualities, they're just not the hits you hear replayed on the radio.
1 freet0 2018-06-25
Bye
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
Kendrick really blew up in status bc his 2013 BET cypher verse was shockingly good, then his next two releases had a super accessible, modern sound while treading then-hot politically territory
also come on Pimp a Butterfly ain’t generic, at least when it came out. it’s barely even rap
1 orgyofdolphins 2018-06-25
lol go listen to guitars nerd
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
The best rapper right now is Oliver Francis https://www.youtube.com/user/oliverxkites/videos?view=0
1 thereturnofjagger 2018-06-25
the kendrick circlejerk is insane
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
Can we go back to gettin' crunk in the 2000s off of weed and alcohol instead of all this opiate mumble rap shit?
1 Tricitiesdrama 2018-06-25
Am I really the only one who heard almost nothing similar?
1 xcallmesunshine 2018-06-25
Yep - the flow was similar but like that's normal
1 kwawyy 2018-06-25
The part from 00:33-00:51 in the Soundcloud rapper's song sounds extremely similar to the part from 00:51 to 01:22 in DongLover's song.
Then again, both parts are quite minimalist so could it have been subconscious plagiarism or just coincidence? Who the fuck knows dude. Every 12-bar blues-based song sounds extremely similar to all other 12-bar blues-based songs too. These plagiarism discussions are always a subjective-as-fuck shitfest.
1 Tricitiesdrama 2018-06-25
B-B-BUT A LESS FAMOUS PERSON DID A SONG WITH SIMILAR FLOW
1 kwawyy 2018-06-25
I thought I came up with an original melody the other day but it turns out it used the major scale, so I had to throw that one out. Twelve-tone tone rows are the only way to go now.
1 Tricitiesdrama 2018-06-25
I was gonna make a song with a guitar but I realized every string on a guitar has been played so now I have to make my own instrument fml #musiciansstruggle
1 kwawyy 2018-06-25
Soundwave-based music has died in the 20th century as far as I'm concerned. Braille or bust.
1 Tricitiesdrama 2018-06-25
I'm pretty sure all the braille letters have been made... Where do we go next?
1 cultish_alibi 2018-06-25
Lots of people in the HHH thread are saying the same thing, but as a songwriter I see a ton of similarities in the structure, the tone, the instruments. It's just all been changed enough to be deniable. That didn't save Robin Thicke though with the Blurred Lines lawsuit (even though that was bullshit imo).
1 Tricitiesdrama 2018-06-25
Lol okay bud and I'm a lyrical specialist of west African chants ergo I can confirm none of this is copied
1 nanonan 2018-06-25
Yeah, I'm sure he's delighted that he put in all that time and effort into making a meaningful and legible song just to have some worthless hack mumble like a retard instead and become instant hot shit because he made an edgy film clip.
1 -4x- 2018-06-25
Uhh, you just don't get it... but why would you, cracker?
1 gymleader_brock 2018-06-25
Oh look he called him a cracker. Excellent move asswipe.
1 froibo 2018-06-25
I prefer honkey, myself.
1 dramasexual 2018-06-25
"Mayo scum" is the correct slur tbh.
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
Call me a hick to my face, bitch!
I think only NW USA people know what a "hick" is though
1 butttstuffff 2018-06-25
Cracker has to be like, my favorite pejorative racial term. It’s just so offensive to black people, and yet if used as if it’s offensive to white people. It was originally used by black people about white people in reference to cracking whips, and not in reference to the color of edible crackers.
1 MoonCricketJamFace 2018-06-25
It was obviously nogs trying to say Quaker, but they dumb and shit.
1 xXsnip_ur_ballsXx 2018-06-25
But Quakers were the core of the anti-slavery movement? Why would "Quaker" become derogatory?
1 JamesRobotoMD 2018-06-25
Pretty sure it came from the OG white trash Americans the Florida/Georgia crackers. And those dudes weren't whipping black people, they were way too poor to afford slaves.
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
I always thought it was a twist of Quaker
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
please do not use racial slurs in /r/drama, /r/drama is a subreddit of peace. Thanks, and keep yourself safe!
1 froibo 2018-06-25
Shut up, mayo
1 imissyouseattle 2018-06-25
That dude should have stuck with acting. He'd be good in Big Bang Theory
1 strathmeyer 2018-06-25
Hm I wonder where AFRICA Bambaata got that beat from.
1 notcyberpope 2018-06-25
Kid started yelling it when he was getting molested probably.
1 xcallmesunshine 2018-06-25
Most people in this thread didn't even listen to the other song lol
1 FcpEcvRtq 2018-06-25
Shit I must've missed your twitter poll
1 HodorTheDoorHolder 2018-06-25
I heard enough to know he stole it from that guy. Glover’s music career is finally over. He can now go back to doing comedies so I can enjoy him again.
1 stormbjorn 2018-06-25
1 HodorTheDoorHolder 2018-06-25
Make Community 2
1 d-amazo 2018-06-25
i don't know, i don't think i want the new, openly pretentious Donald "I'm not making a TV show, I'm making an experience" Glover anywhere near...anything
1 HodorTheDoorHolder 2018-06-25
That's just his rap persona making a tv show. The real-life Glover stars in movie prequels and NBC comedies.
1 dramasexual 2018-06-25
Yeah he got really annoying all of a sudden.
1 d-amazo 2018-06-25
i was going to watch Atlanta, but the more i heard about it the more it sounded insufferable, then he came out with that line and i completely wrote it off.
1 Power_Incarnate 2018-06-25
First season was pretty good, but the second was kinda boring.
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1 Ewindal 2018-06-25
I literally can't hear any similarities other than the inflection in the chorus? They're literally just talking over a slow beat.
1 PM_ME_YOUR_DARKNESS 2018-06-25
Yeah, but he says the word America in it!
1 Orsonius 2018-06-25
So i checked it out just now, and while there are lots of similarities, I wouldn't call it a straight up rip off, more like, similar components taken as inspiration.
The flow is very similar, but so it is for 99% of modern rappers.
The african background chant is in theme the same but execution sounds very different.
And the topic isn't really unique either, lots of rappers rap about being black in america.
1 Racial_Dolezal 2018-06-25
Generic half-time trap beat....generic triplet flows.....uhh
All rap music is derivative and trend-hopping
1 fuzzydunlots 2018-06-25
All rap music that plays at your local Walmart might be yes.
1 asthmatic-apple 2018-06-25
I am sure your taste in music is much better
1 Racial_Dolezal 2018-06-25
U mad
1 sooth_ 2018-06-25
any taste is better than mumble rap by default
1 uniqueguy263 2018-06-25
This thread is really stereotypical reddity. Somehow I thought this sub wouldn't be embarrassing in that way
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
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1 Feanorfanclub 2018-06-25
I only listen to power metal about Lord of the Rings
1 Bigbewmistaken 2018-06-25
yeh bruv
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-06-25
All popular music is.
1 AGucciManeClone 2018-06-25
Very disappointed in Gambino.... Afrika is not proud....
1 bat_mayn 2018-06-25
I can't believe this is what we call music now.
1 fuzzydunlots 2018-06-25
This sentence only betrays your irelevance.
1 bat_mayn 2018-06-25
How exactly do I "betray my irrelevance"? Those two words don't work together friend. You're saying that I am relevant?
1 fuzzydunlots 2018-06-25
You're now betraying your poor education. This is making me sadder.
1 uniqueguy263 2018-06-25
He's using betrays to mean reveals, which is a valid use of the word betrays
1 bat_mayn 2018-06-25
Yeah you're right, it's just an odd term to use unless in a specific context.
This song still sucks by the way.
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
/u/fuzzydunlots is probably into that rap style where they regurgitate a lot of words and fancy phrases to look big brained, but its just word soup. I forget the term for it. Aesop Rock is a good example of that style, but done well.
1 fuzzydunlots 2018-06-25
I fuck your mama with no condom because raw doggin something that spawned something so common in the comment section puts a flop on my erection.
1 orgyofdolphins 2018-06-25
qwhat happened to pink floyd reeeeeeeeee
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-06-25
Back in the day we listened to real music
1 SweatyGuarantee 2018-06-25
The song is terrible. It just straight up sounds like garbage. It's got that woke message though, so...
1 BigPriceToupee 2018-06-25
LOL @ continent-stealing mayos pointing accusatory fingers and muttering incoherently about other people "stealing shit"
1 IntergalacticPotato 2018-06-25
What's a mayo?
1 shallowm 2018-06-25
downvoted for the truth smdh
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
read some more world history book than fucking your shitty world history you learned in highschool, you vapid fucking moron.
1 Thhueros 2018-06-25
Is this a joke?
1 myshl0ng 2018-06-25
Keep your eyes open and you will start noticing a lot of (((jokes)))
1 Thhueros 2018-06-25
But is he really named Fam?
1 JamesRobotoMD 2018-06-25
Short for Famalamadong
1 heavyblossoms 2018-06-25
He’s not really named Rothstein. His name is Fam Udeorji.
1 hyledog 2018-06-25
Hip hop was built by Jewish record label moguls
1 Raven0520 2018-06-25
Woah, calm down there Trevor Noah.
1 broden 2018-06-25
No it's our reality
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
Jews
ROCK!RAP!1 matrix2002 2018-06-25
Yeah, it's pretty close. It's at least heavily inspired by the other track.
With music, it's very hard to know what constitutes theft or just inspiration.
The other issue is that hiphop from the very beginning has been about "sampling". It's a part of the culture to take and borrow freely.
The difference here is that this is a no-name artist and usually you sample well known artists and give them credit for it.
Still, there have been plenty of hit songs by hiphop artists who have coverer/sampled songs that I had no clue about.
1 SonyXboxNintendo11 2018-06-25
Forro in Brazil has a similar culture of sampling. I know what you're talking about.
What means that the two genres of music I fucking hate have more in common than I thought.
1 ALoudMouthBaby 2018-06-25
Thats actually a really good song and its a shame that dude is pretty much doomed to obscurity as some nobody trying to sell his wares on soundcloud.
1 LobotomistCircu 2018-06-25
Does Donglover seriously have a black lawyer who calls himself Fam Rothstein? That's fucking hilarious
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
missing some parenthesis bro
1 myshl0ng 2018-06-25
Why is that sub's cursor the all-seeing eye?
1 saddertadder 2018-06-25
having subreddit styling still on is a good signal to knwo that you are below 15 and a vapid, mouth breathing user.
You are smug and self-satisfying. You are the problem. There should be a "delete" button below your posts. Start clicking them after you post and you'll find that /r/drama starts to improve.
1 omicronpersei88 2018-06-25
So many songs had the same subject matter as this is America before it came out, that song doesn’t sound very similar at all, I feel like people who don’t listen to that type of music see the obvious similarities, but they could’ve been shown so many similar songs and had the same reaction idk about any sort of copying when it comes to criticisms of being black in America
1 DoubleCheekedUp 2018-06-25
Man I've never heard a song about being black in America that 'goes hard bruh' this is clearly plagiarism
1 ason 2018-06-25
Who gives a fuck about this whack mainstream shit? I only listen to the real hip hop.
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
“stealing”? in hip-hop we call that “sampling”
1 teamaster4000 2018-06-25
lol that title
1 YameteOniichanItai 2018-06-25
It's pop music, they've been reusing the same four chords for more than eighty years now. Everyone steals from everyone accidentally or not.
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
the idea that you can own a musical idea is some angloid nonsense
Led Zeppelin did nothing wrong, Kenji Yamamoto did nothing wrong, and Andrew Lloyd Webber’s crimes were completely unrelated to his unoriginality
and I haven’t bothered listening to this but I bet Donglover did nothing wrong either.
1 grungebot5000 2018-06-25
you know what? i shouldn’t even say “angloid.” Jamaicans are angloids too, and they give less of a fuck about it than anybody.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2018-06-25
This is really good for dramacoin, reddits current darling is going to split the entire community in half because so many people are going to stay loyal and deny any wrongdoing while the contrarians are going to use this opportunity to completely shit on him.
Personally I never cared for the song and thought it was simplistic and sounded almost like a parody of shallow trap music. That being said I think to say he directly borrowed from that song is a stretch. The only thing I see similar is the triplet flow and chorus, along with the whole "Black in america" line. That's pretty vague and you can probably find a whole other mess of songs that sound similar.
Shit if we're going off of these standards, then the rock/metal/punk community are constantly "stealing" songs.
1 VioletBroregarde 2018-06-25
What the songs have in common:
All of those things are common compositional elements. There's no evidence that Donald Glover has even heard "American Pharaoh."
Given that one of the compositional techniques they used was "frequent texture swaps," you would expect that brief sections of the two songs would sound very similar. But if you listen closer to 2 similar sections of the song it's clear that they went about achieving similar effects differently. At the very least, they both did their own work.