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Are you trying to imply that centrism is self-defeating?

Are you not trying to imply centrism is self-defeating?

the centrist opinion is to imply it neither is or isn't self-defeating.

Schrodinger's centrism

or, i suppose it is and isn't Schrodinger's centrism

now that’s a bridge too far

Or is it?

No it implies rakes are a menace to society, and we should deport them to Canada

DAY OF THE RAKE WHEN?

Long after you're gone 😄

I think its implying it needs another injection

"Everything is precisely as it should be right now and nothing should be changed" is not a stance that has much of a constituency AKAIK

That"s non-radical centrism.

Change toward what end?

General improvement which takes into account both sides good ideas.

General improvement of what?

Climate laws, free speech, affordable health care, stuff like that. Sane immigration policies which don't get rid of the border but also don't seperated people who've been in the US for decades.

Climate laws

A scam.

affordable health care

Can you name anyone who wants health care to be "unaffordable"?

free speech, sane immigration policies

Hell yes, centipede! Welcome to the MAGA party.

climate laws.

affordable health care.

sane immigration policies.

Are you literate?

I am literate. I have degrees in engineering, linguistics and law, and read classical literature as a hobby.

Lol good job making it clear that you're leftist_degenerate's alt with that 3 degrees claim.

giving illegals who've been in the us for years reasonable ways to become citizens

President Trump offered to convert 3 million illegals living under DACA-style policies to a direct citizenship path, in exchange for Wall funding and comprehensive immigration enforcement.

The Democrats refused to deal.

SAD!

*1.8 million.

Dems didn't accept because it's a bad deal which would leave more then half of them without a path to citizenship.

Instead, it left all of them without a path to citizenship lol

Art of the deal lol.

Lol nope, it was a bad deal. http://theconversation.com/trumps-path-to-citizenship-for-1-8-million-will-leave-out-nearly-half-of-all-dreamers-90899

You are a goddamn fool. An additional "estimated 1.8 people theoretically qualified to be able to apply for DACA" is horsepiss. DACA gave you 800k in limbo, Trump offered you 2 million on the path to citizenship, and the Dems couldn't take it because it would make them look bad. You wouldn't take 2 million, you got nothing and now you've made up an even bigger number to make yourselves feel better about being fools.

Pathetic.

Not because it would make them look bad you retard, because he included controversial shitlike the utter waste of funds border wall in it.

Not because it would make them look bad you retard, because he included controversial shitlike the utter waste of funds border wall in it.

That is how deals work, friend. You have to give to get. But, the DEMs didn't want the God-Emperor to become the savior of Mexicans, so they left them to wither.

Corazones tan celosos, los gringos izquierdistas. Triste!

That's a bad deal, m8. Even if a deal gives you something you like, you still reject it if it requires something you really dislike.

Also yous till haven't mentioned climate change or healthcare, lefitst_degenerate.

Even if a deal gives you something you like, you still reject it if it requires something you really dislike.

Apparently, Democrats hate border enforcement more than they love 2million DACA kids.

And now the DACA kids know it. :-D

1. It still left a whole lot of kids int he US without a way to citizenship.

2. It required an utterly retarded waste of money known as a border wall.

Also, you still haven't mentioned climate change and affordable healthcare.

It still left a whole lot of kids in the US without a way to citizenship.

A theoretical number. Nothing but an excuse for failure.

It required an utterly retarded waste of money known as a border wall.

From my perspective, it required an utterly retarded waste of citizenship slots on whiny-ass Mexican millenials. But that is the point - I get what I want and you get what you want.

Instead, nobody got anything and the Dems looked like fools. :-D

You utter retard, the whole point is that what Trump wanted was unacceptable in return for what the Dems wanted.

Also, yous Still haven't mentioned climate change and affordable healthcare.

You utter retard, the whole point is that what Trump wanted was unacceptable in return for what the Dems wanted.

Yes, clearly, 2 million DACAs are not worth cooperating on border security. You've made that very clear.

2 million DACs while leaving the rest to suffer and a retarded wall. Yeah, not worth it.

Also, guess what yous till haven't mentioned?

2 million instead of 800,000 - AND and AWESOME wall! And no more illegal Democrats coming over the border! Come on, man, you have to win votes from citizens, not scabs!

AND and AWESOME wall.

Please never go near me with this verbal diarrhea again.

Also, guess what you still haven't mentioned?

We are going to get you to understand the concept of exchange. Then, we will address your meme-issues.

How will you get therapy for your crippling autism without Obamacare?

I understand perfectly well that some of the illegals getting citizenship in exchange for, among other things, an utterly retarded wall is not a fair exchange.

The Wall doesn't hurt you. The deal helps 2 million trash-persons. All that holds you back is your pride. Your pride killed 2 million Mexicans. Essentially, you are Hitler.

Imagine being this retarded.

The Wall doesn't hurt.

Utterly retarded and ineffectual waste of money.

Your pride killed 2 million Mexicans.

%s/killed/deported

Also, that's Trump's utter inability to make acceptable deals at work.

Utterly retarded and ineffectual waste of money.

No, importing illegals and Muslims is a retarded waste of money. Keeping them out is a very good deal.

%s/killed/deported

OK, see, not so bad then. Deported, not killed. Back where they belong. Home again, and contributing to Mexico's economy!

No, importing illegals and Muslims is a retarded waste of money. Keeping them out is a very good deal.

Lol illegals get welfare and commit crime less than native Americans.

Back where they belong. Home again, and contributing to Mexico's economy!

Imagine being this retarded.

Okay, look at it this way. You're Jose, who was born in America 15 years ago. He has a job, goes to school, his friends and family are all American.

Suddenly one day, Jose has to "go back" (lol) to North Mexico, a land of poor employment prospects, an awful education system and drug cartels.

a land of poor employment prospects, an awful education system and drug cartels.

Sounds terrible. We should avoid letting any Mexico bleed over into our country.

Which would be true if illegals commited more cirme than citizens, which they do not.

This is what autism looks like.

So Conservatism

Going by the literal definitions of certain words, yes, but that ain't exactly how things actually work.

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Can I hug you?

Only if you do it with a rake.

Sure

I'll do something with a rake if you know what I mean

Too much mayo.

Russian roulette fits in there somewhere

Russian roulette with an auto AA12

Light, no recoil almost, compact. Totally doable. We can one up the KSG suicide from a bit ago.

PIMM is more self-aware than half the mayos here lol

He's neither a mayo not a centrist

I brought up neither, tho.

True Radical Centrists pose themsealves as "Democratic Socialists" while arresting anti-imperialist protesters trying to save the lives of Latin America's leftist peasantry.

re: William Bywater and the "progressive" IUE

American Institute for Free Labor Development The American Institute for Free Labor Development (AIFLD) was an AFL-CIO organization whose purpose was to undermine foreign unions. It received funding from the US government, mostly through USAID, and starting in the 1980s it began receiving funds from the National Endowment for Democracy. The AIFLD also had close ties to the Central Intelligence Agency.

The AIFLD most often concentrated on union officials in foreign unions, both paying them off as well as "training" them.

The AIFLD was created in 1962. A US Comptroller General's report says "In May 1961 the AFL-CIO approached private foundations, business men, and government agencies to seek financing for the planned Institute". One of the foundations it applied to was the Michigan Fund, identified by Congressional sources as a conduit for CIA money. AIFLD found welcome open pockets in the business group. George Meany, President of the AFL-CIO and also of AIFLD, boasted support from the "largest corporations in the United States . . . Rockefeller, ITT, Kennecott, Standard Oil, Shell Petroleum . . . Anaconda, even Readers Digest. . . and although some of these companies have no connection whatsoever to US trade unions, they are all agreed that it was really in the US interest to help develop free trade unions in Latin America, and that's why they contributed so much money".

J. Peter Grace, Chairman of the Board of AIFLD and also Chairman of the Board of the W.R. Grace Corporation, one of the ninety five transnational companies that back the Institute, applies the doctrine in tactical terms. Grace says AIFLD urges "cooperation between labor and management and an end to class struggle" and "teaches workers to increase their company's business". He says the goal of AIFLD is to "prevent communist infiltration, and where it exists . . . get rid of it".

In October of 1995, John Sweeney replaced Lane Kirkland as head of the AFL-CIO. A few months later, the AFL-CIO asked the AIFLD executive director, William C. Doherty, Jr., to resign, and he did so. In 1997, the AIFLD was reorganized into the American Center for International Labor Solidarity.

"AIFLD is dedicated to "strengthening the democratic labor sector in terms of ... technical assistance and social projects ... primarily in the areas of education and training, manpower studies, cooperatives and housing." William Doherty is less equivocal when he points out that AIFLD is an example of the desirability of cooperation between employers and workers. He thus emphasizes AIFLD's main goal: to dispel the hostility of Latin American workers toward U.S. corporations.57

"A less optimistic but more realistic appraisal of AIFLD's role is given by Philip Agee in his book, Inside the Company. Speaking of its creation in 1962, he states that AIFLD is "Washington's answer to the limitations of current labor programs undertaken through AID as well as through ORIT and CIA stations." The problem, says Agee, was "how to accelerate expansion of labor organizing activities in Latin America in order to deny workers to labor unions dominated by the extreme left and to reverse communist and Castroite penetration."

""AID programs," says Agee, "are limited because of their direct dependence on the U.S. government.... ORIT programs are limited because its affiliates are weak or non-existent in some countries.... The CIA station programs are limited by personnel problems, but more so by the limits on the amount of money that can be channeled covertly through the stations and through international organizations like ORIT and ICFTU."59

"Under the official cover of "adult education," AIFLD sets up social projects such as workers' housing, credit unions and cooperatives. AIFLD's major task, however, is similar to ORIT's in that it seeks to organize anti-communist labor unions in Latin America. To this end, AIFLD set up training institutes which would carry on the teaching of courses presently being given by AIFLD members. And although administrate control of the training institutes in Washington would be by AIFLD, it was hoped that the institutes themselves would be headed by salaried CIA agents under operational control of the local CIA station.60

"A logical outcome of AIFLD's obsession with anti-communism was the direct participation of its trainees in the overthrow of Joao Goulart. Even before Goulart came to power, AFL-CIO leaders were critical of growing communist strength in both the labor movement and in Juscelino Kubitschek's government. In 1956, Romualdi, along with labor attaché Irving Salert and U.S. ambassador James C. Dunn, arranged to have Brazilian labor leaders visit the U.S. AIFLD's goal was the "development of a core of labor leaders who, by commanding the enthusiastic support of the rank and file, could turn back Communist attempts to capture the Brazilian labor movement."" [1]

Officers in 1992

Lane Kirkland, president Albert Shanker, vice president Thomas R. Donahue, secretary-treasurer William Doherty, executive director Morton Bahr - Communications Workers of America Owen Bieber - United Auto Workers William H. Bywater - International Union of Electrical Workers Robert A. Georgine - Wood, Wire and Metal Lathers International Union James E. Hatfield - Glass, Pottery, Plastics and Allied Workers >International Union John T. Joyce - International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftsmen Richard I. Kilroy - Brotherhood of Railway, Airlines and Steamship >Clerks, Freight Handlers, Express and Station Employees Jay Mazur - International Ladies' Garment Workers Union Joyce D. Miller - Amalgamated Clothing and Textiles Workers Union John N. Sturdivant - American Federation of Government Employees John J. Sweeney - Service Employees International Union Lynn R. Williams - United Steelworkers of America William H. Wynn - United Food and Commercial Workers International Union (Sims, 1992, p.105-6)

External links

Peter Gribbin, "Brazil and CIA", CounterSpy, April- May 1979, pp. 4-23. Beth Sims, "[Workers of the World Undermined: American Labor's role in U.S. foreign policy]", South End Press, 1992.

AIFLD

https://i.imgur.com/ICcEHZS.png

Why can't that grown man comb his hair?

I'm literally on the exact opposite end of the political spectrum from centrism.

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