@JessicaValenti My latest in the @nytimes: Until we grapple with how to stop misogynists themselves — starting with ensuring boys don’t grow up to be one — women will never be free.

91  2018-07-27 by wisty

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Avoid parenthetical insults—they just diminish your authority. Throughout the post, you're best points seem to be lost in a sea of self-aggrandizement and scattershot thinking

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So in addition to feminists facing the task of establishing full social, political, economic & legal equality of women; with securing women's sovereignty over their own bodies; with preserving rights to contraception & abortion & medical care; with attempting to secure child care & parental leave; with stopping the global male violence against women, children, wildlife & the Earth; with stopping the epidemic of male violence of rape, femicide, prostitution, sex trafficking, porn child porn; with helping the very oppressed women of the world attain equal rights; with trying to stop child marriage; trying to change the cultures that condemn women to die in cold menstrual huts or of fistulas from childbirth in child marriages; with trying to evolve past 6,000 years of violent Earth-destroying patriarchy . . . .

So in addition to the massive work of trying to overthrow the evils of misogyny, patriarchy, discrimination & sexism, as well as child rearing, care giving and housework, Valenti thinks women need to take on the work of somehow insuring that boys do not grow up to hate women and to elevate males ---- who run the world ---- higher on their thrones.

Feminists focus on the real issues

child rearing, care giving and housework,

lmao Learning how to cook was the best decision i've ever made.

Does she think men are incapable of cooking, doing laundy, and cleaning their place? That's funny.

Now if only adoption of foreign kids as a single was easier ...

MODS

Just for feeding her food, watching her grow up healthy, and training her to become the ultimate assassin obviously.

Wish I had directed Annie Hall.

Not to mention that making robots to take care of household chores is if anything a more lucrative and realistic business than selling sexdolls.

Widespread chorebots are far more likely than widespread sexbots, so if the sexbot MGTOWarchy ever happens they're doublefucked, there will be plenty of bots to take care of the other stuff.

it is not like you cant build a robot for both

pretty much don't need a woman at that point

true freedom

cooking basic nutritious meals is easy af and if you care so much about food that you have to put in lots of effort to prepare it properly you're probably a fat faggit anyway.

People don't catcall Jessica anymore, that's sad. I'd catcall her, the assertiveness thing some feminists have going on is kinda hot.

6,000 years of Earth destroying patriarchy

Now this makes me laugh. If women were in charge of everything the world would still be getting ripped up and raped for resources. Women in general are as guilty as anyone of materialism, wasteful indulgence and poor planning as any other member of the human race. Fucks sake they literally washed horrible fish killing microbeads into the water system for decades because it was a good exfoliant. Bless their hearts, they buy another full set of clothing for their wardrobe every time they have spending money without care to how much other shit they've bought and need to throw out. Let alone having a care for if any of it was ethically sourced or if tiny Cho spent hours sewing it up in a Chinese sweatshop.

I just mean to say, it's fucking retarded to assume any of our planet destroying behaviors would be any different without the so called patriarchy. Women consume shitty goods with no thought of the repercussions as much, if not more than, anyone else on Earth.

You don't get it, women using up resources and wrecking the planet is also patriarchy. If we had a matriarchy instead, humanity would have achieved fully automated lesbo space communism by now.

You don't get it, women using up resources and wrecking the planet is also patriarchy.

This is technically true but there is no reason to believe it would change under a different gender roles system. Yes I know you were irony posting.

Yes I know you were irony posting.

I wasn't.

6,000 years of Earth destroying patriarchy

It's more like 8-10k years. And the societies who did that got out of the stone age. Pre-agriculture, most societies were matriarchal communes, with everything shared. Then the bad white people showed up to take everything, only because they spent thousand of years in a non-matriarchal society that valued competence more than equity.

I'm trying to make sense of your comment but it's just too fucking stupid so I gave up

Maybe you DNA pool comes from those societies that haven't spent much time outside of hunter-gatherer societies, so your female ancestors did not spend much time artificially selecting for genes, like intelligence, that signify competence. Perhaps that's why it is so hard for you to digest simple ideas.

Honestly it seems a lot more likely that you're just fucking retarded. If you really came from a thousand years ancestral lineage of intelligence you wouldn't be posting on /r/drama you dumb monkey fuck

You have a hard time understanding what I am saying. And you are getting violent instead of using dialogue. Just like those hunter-gatherer societies that got subjugated by the societies who left hunter-gatherer status millennia before.

Imagine unironically thinking you are genetically superior to literally anyone when you can't even tell someone's fucking with you online.

Your female ancestor was probably held down and raped by the biggest retard ape millenia ago.

I upvoted both of you for the surreal quality of this conversation.

Back to the shadows with you.

I nominate this comment to be included in Snappy's list of quotes.

/r/drama in a nutshell

Women in general are as guilty as anyone

Yes, but I can't make a generalization and say more guilty.

Western women are the number one consumer on the planet. It's not just from the shit they buy, it's also the shit dudes buy because of them. They lose their shit over a shiny rock which Africans lose their arms to dig up for them. Not to mention there is a reason why modern advertisement caters almost exclusively to women.

I didn't know people still gave a shit about this dumbass.

See that's the thing, outrage sells. It gives your glorified blogpost clicks

Because the NYT still does.

Why do you give a shit what the NYT thinks? They're also fucking retarded

I don't care what they think. But we can't let them say whatever they want without criticizing it. Or else this dumb shit will spread.

Ok, so I guess you left a comment on the NY times article as well then? I can't view it since I'm out of free articles.

For the same reason people should have given more of a shit about Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines in Rwanda.

Masculinity, otherwise known as the traits that got humanity out of caves and ceated the modern world.

Masculinity, otherwise known as the traits that got humanity out of caves and ceated the modern world.

>Imagine thinking you are relevant because you got a dick.

The absolute state of poor fags.

>Imagine thinking you are relevant because you got a dick

he didn't say that, learn to read

he didn't say that, learn to read

>Imagine being that stupid.

Oh wait.

Are you a lolcow, a parody lolcow, or just a real user of this sub that is barely above braindeath

Yes.

Imagine you cant see sensationalism even when the article even says it is being sensationalist.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

What's the difference

"Masculine individuals were necessary to push through the dangers inherent in exploring new territory so the species as a whole could benefit from the windfalls of resources they brought"

"STOP TRYING TO CLAIM YOUR PENIS MAKES YOU RELEVANT"

"Masculine individuals were necessary to push through the dangers inherent in exploring new territory so the species as a whole could benefit from the windfalls of resources they brought"

By the gods, you are an unironic moron.

What was a game changer was agriculture, not exploration you absolute dumbass.

No, you're a misinformed idiot. As everyone knows, the people who created agriculture ended up being the slaves of the warrior who immediately conquered them, and then continued to conquer them periodically for the rest of history whenever they got too soft, or feminine. That is the arc of human history.

Imagine being this retarded.

Imagine being so beholden to political correctness that history triggers you.

> Knowing that agriculture beat reaving is political correctness.

The absolute state of rightoids.

You're such a dumb faggot so I feel like I have to destroy you even though it's a waste of my time. Where did the Greeks come from? Where did the Persians come from? Where did the Germanic lords of the Middle Ages come from? Where did the Normans come from? Where did the Mongols come from? Why are farmers at the bottom of the Indian caste system? How did agrarians in Mesoamerican agricultural societies fare against European explorers? How about the Polynesians? Did the Arab conquerors of the 7th and 8th century practice agriculture, or were they a patriarchal mounted warrior society?

The absolute state of rightoids.

Dumbshit, accept your intellectual inadequacy. It is beyond dispute.

Where did the Greeks come from?

Farming.

Where did the Persians come from?

Farming again.

Where did the Germanic lords of the Middle Ages come from?

Farming.

Where did the Normans come from?

Farming.

Why are farmers at the bottom of the Indian caste system?

The vaysha were superior to the shudra, you moron.

How did agrarians in Mesoamerican agricultural societies fare against European explorers?

Imagine thinking that european explorer didn't come from a farming society.

How about the Polynesians?

Ah, yes I too remember the last times polynesia was relevant.

Did the Arab conquerors of the 7th and 8th century practice agriculture, or were they a patriarchal mounted warrior society?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Agricultural_Revolution

Strange how it is also the arab golden age. Really make you think.

Where did the Greeks come from?

Nomadic tribes who conquered settled agrarians. This is beyond dispute.

Where did the Persians come from?

Nomadic tribes who conquered settled agrarians. This is beyond dispute.

Where did the Germanic lords of the Middle Ages come from?

Nomadic tribes who conquered settled agrarians. This is beyond dispute.

Farming

They were literally vikings, dipshit.

The vaysha were superior to the shudra, you moron.

Yeah, and the vaysha are a merchant class, the Shudra are peasants, you walking embarrassment.

Strange how it is also the arab golden age. Really make you think.

The Arabs literally came out of the desert on horseback and conquered everyone, you complete imbecile.

Ah, yes I too remember the last times polynesia was relevant.

Are you insulting Polynesia now? What the fuck is wrong with you? If you're gonna be a pussy feminist SJW, at least have some consistency. Don't slag off Polynesia you gay fuck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Agricultural_Revolution

Did you even read the article? No, because you're an ignorant dipshit teenager who thinks he knows everything. That's about the 10th century, and it's about the people the Arabs conquered figuring out ways to feed the arabs who conquered them better.

Or I dunno, how about just ask the Arabs themselves?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asabiyyah

Dumb faggot.

Nomadic tribes who conquered settled agrarians. This is beyond dispute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_civilization

Nomadic tribes who conquered settled agrarians. This is beyond dispute.

The pasargadae were sedentary. Read herodote you dispshit.

https://books.google.be/books?id=ms30qA6nyMsC&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=Pasargadae+tribe+sedentary&source=bl&ots=RyFBZGqs8X&sig=yDkzk4yC-p1cM8_reLoba4XVpYg&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjU2cGDsb_cAhUI3aQKHbxNBicQ6AEwAnoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=Pasargadae%20tribe%20sedentary&f=false

Nomadic tribes who conquered settled agrarians. This is beyond dispute.

The fuck are you on.

They were literally vikings, dipshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normans

The Normans (Norman: Normaunds; French: Normands) are an ethnic group that arose in Normandy, a northern region of France, from contact between indigenous Franks and Norse Viking settlers.

You are a moron.

Yeah, and the vaysha are a merchant class, the Shudra are peasants, you walking embarrassment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaishya

Hindu religious texts assigned Vaishyas to traditional roles in agriculture and cattle-rearing

You are a moron.

Are you insulting Polynesia now? What the fuck is wrong with you? If you're gonna be a pussy feminist SJW, at least have some consistency. Don't slag off Polynesia you gay fuck.

Imagine thinking anyone disagreeing with you is an SJW. The absolute state of rightoid.

Did you even read the article? No, because you're an ignorant dipshit teenager who thinks he knows everything. That's about the 10th century, and it's about the people the Arabs conquered figuring out ways to feed the arabs who conquered them better.

You absolute moron.

The Arab Agricultural Revolution is the transformation in agriculture from the 8th to the 13th century in the Islamic region of the Old World.

Dude, you're telling me to read Herodotus, but I know you haven't read Herodotus yourself because he literally makes the same argument I am making OVER AND OVER AGAIN you ignorant, illiterate, wikipedia fuck.

The Minoans were not Greek. Not in any way. Way to make my point dipshit.

Hindu religious texts assigned Vaishyas to traditional roles in agriculture and cattle-rearing

And the whole sentence, you disingenuous fuck:

Hindu religious texts assigned Vaishyas to traditional roles in agriculture and cattle-rearing, but over time they came to be landowners, traders and money-lenders.

You are talking about religious texts, I am talking about reality.

contact between indigenous Franks and Norse Viking settlers

Indigenous Franks? You mean the German tribe from modern Germany who conquered the agricultural Romanized Gauls? Those Franks? Dumb idiot, you don't even know your own faggot country's history.

Dude, you're telling me to read Herodotus, but I know you haven't read Herodotus yourself because he literally makes the same argument I am making OVER AND OVER AGAIN you ignorant, illiterate, wikipedia fuck.

He literally tell they live from the earth you idiot.

The Minoans were not Greek. Not in any way. They lived in what is now Greece, but did not speak Greek and were ethnically unrelated. Way to make my point dipshit.

>They did not speak greek.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_B

You absolute moron.

Indigenous Franks? You mean the German tribe from modern Germany who conquered the agricultural Romanized Gauls? Those Franks? Dumb idiot, you don't even know your own faggot country's history.

The salian were conquered by the roman you dumb fuck. And they were farming.

He literally tell they live from the earth you idiot.

Who? English no good? I am saying Herodotus literally says that nomadic tribesman come from the fringes to conquer the agricultural center. He talks about this over and over again. It's the basis for the Ibn Khaldun theory I linked to you earlier, who said the same thing essentially. You are a fucking idiot and you're running out of sophistry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_B

Wrong language, faggot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A

The salian were conquered by the roman you dumb fuck. And they were farming.

As I said, you don't know your own gay history. The Franks came from Germany. I guess they just farmed their way to ruling France, they didn't have to fight anyone? Just fuck off with your tail between your legs, you pitiable contrarian moron. You have staked out an indefensible position. From feminists to communists to conservative historians, everyone agrees that masculine societies dominated the course of history. You are trying to rationalize a position no sane, informed person would defend. You are just stupid. And watching you flail and embarrass yourself over and over again is starting to get boring.

Who? English no good? I am saying Herodotus literally says that nomadic tribesmen come from the fringes to conquer the agricultural center as a rule of history. He talks about this over and over again. It's the basis for the Ibn Khaldun theory I linked to you earlier, who said the same thing essentially. You are a fucking idiot and you're running out of sophistry.


The pasargadae were sedentary. Read herodote you dispshit.


Wrong language, faggot

you are a moron.

As I said, you don't know your own gay history. The Franks came from Germany. I guess they just farmed their way to ruling France, they didn't have to fight anyone? Just fuck off with your tail between your legs, you pitiable contrarian moron. You have staked out an indefensible position. From feminists to communists to conservative historians, everyone agrees that masculine societies dominated the course of history. You are trying to rationalize a position no sane, informed person would defend. You are just stupid. And watching you flail and embarrass yourself over and over again is starting to get boring.

It was farming society vs farming society, you moron. And you absolute idiot, I am a technocrat, not a feminist. It's the genius and superior people that drag the mass from its apathy, you moron.

The pasargadae were sedentary. Read herodote you dispshit.

You haven't read it, idiot. I have, that's how I know you haven't. Cyrus the Great was a nomadic horse warlord who conquered the Middle East and established Parsagadae. You really are stupid enough to tell someone to read a book you haven't read but they have. Unbelievable.

you are a moron.

So the Minoans wrote in linear B, not linear A? Face it, man, you are full of shit. You came into this conversation thinking you knew what you were talking about, now you know you're below average.

It was farming society vs farming society, you moron. And you absolute idiot, I am a technocrat, not a feminist. It's the genius and superior people that drag the mass from its apathy, you moron.

Nietzschean autist faggot LOL You should be a communist, because you are a complete waste of space, they are seriously your best hope. They're utter shit for almost everyone, but for useless trash like you Communism is probably your only option, at least without accepting your total mediocrity.

Seems like you're out of historical takes, so you can fuck off now. I'm done with you.

You haven't read it, idiot. I have, that's how I know you haven't. Cyrus the Great was a nomadic horse warlord who conquered the Middle East and established Parsagadae. You really are stupid enough to tell someone to read a book you haven't read but they have. Unbelievable.

And what tribe did he came from ? Come on, you can do it.

So the Minoans wrote in linear B, not linear A? Face it, man, you are full of shit. You came into this conversation thinking you knew what you were talking about, now you know you're below average.

The linear B is not derivated from linear A maybe ?

Nietzschean autist faggot LOL You should be a communist, because you are a complete waste of space, they are seriously your best hope. They're utter shit for almost everyone, but for useless trash like you Communism is probably your only option, at least without accepting your total mediocrity.

Imagine thinking I believe in a druggy. lol.

And what tribe did he came from

I'm assuming you think it's "Parsagadae?" Because it's not...Like, you just want to make it extra clear you don't know what you're talking about, and that you haven't read "Herodote" even though you keep telling me to, but I have read it, and in Greek.

Pathetic.

The linear B is not derivated from linear A maybe ?

The Greek alphabet is developed from the Phoenician alphabet. Does that make Greek a semitic language? Or are you as ignorant about linguistics as you are about history? I know, why don't you just read the wikipedia article I linked you that explains all of this?

Imagine thinking I believe in a druggy. lol.

You're right, it was a mistake to imagine your ideology overlaps at all with what you're saying. lol.

I'm assuming you think it's "Parsagadae?" Because it's not...Like, you just want to make it extra clear you don't know what you're talking about, and that you haven't read "Herodote" even though you keep telling me to, but I have read it, and in Greek.

>Read herodote.

>Don't even know the tribe Cyrus came from.

The Greek alphabet is developed from the Phoenician alphabet. Does that make Greek a semitic language? Or are you as ignorant about linguistics as you are about history? I know, why don't you just read the wikipedia article I linked you that explains all of this?

Imagine not knowing that the linear B was the greek alaphabet before it abandonned.

Surething, mister : "Sedentary societies are inferior to nomadics".

You're right, it was a mistake to imagine your ideology overlaps at all with what you're saying. lol.

lol, imagine knowing so little about technocracy that you believe nietzche overlap with us.

Imagine not knowing that the linear B was the greek alaphabet before it abandonned.

Imagine not knowing that Linear B isn't an alphabet at all. It doesn't change the fact that Minoans wrote in Linear A, and they weren't Greek. The Greeks (Mycenaeans) developed linear B from linear A before they were conquered by the actual Greek tribes (Dorians, Aeolians, Ionians) who formed classical civilization on the ruins of the Mycenaeans and created the alphabet. Even after they settled, their main form of identity was tribal.

Surething, mister : "Sedentary societies are inferior to nomadics".

Not just me, also "Herodote" the guy you haven't read but claim to have read.

lol, imagine knowing so little about technocracy that you believe nietzche overlap with us.

Technocracy isn't an ideology at all. Either you're talking about some kind of bureaucratic meritocracy or you're talking about technocracy in the 1960's sense, a bunch off faggy scientists who thought they were better than everyone else and formed a political party that went nowhere. Either way, you've done mental gymnastics to think you should be in charge of everything, when in fact you're below mediocre. You'll never get what you want in life because you think you're better than you are, and you're utter shit.

Imagine not knowing that Linear B isn't an alphabet at all. It doesn't change the fact that Minoans wrote in Linear A, and they weren't Greek. The Greeks (Mycenaeans) developed linear B from linear A before they were conquered by the actual Greek tribes (Dorians, Aeolians, Ionians) who formed classical civilization on the ruins of the Mycenaeans and created the alphabet. Even after they settled, their main form of identity was tribal.

Athen is not mycenaean, you dumbass

Technocracy isn't an ideology at all. Either you're talking about some kind of bureaucratic meritocracy or you're talking about technocracy in the 1960's sense, a bunch off faggy scientists who thought they were better than everyone else and formed a political party that went nowhere. Either way, you've done mental gymnastics to think you should be in charge of everything, when in fact you're below mediocre. You'll never get what you want in life because you think you're better than you are, and you're utter shit.

Surething mister "can't read something without believing it".

Athen is mycenaean, you dumbass

lol dude. You're just going to keep spouting things you think you know. Why don't you look it up. Yes, the Mycenaeans controlled Athens like they controlled all of Greece. Classical Athens was an Ionian city. Do I sound at all like I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about? Because I definitely do.

Surething mister "can't read something without believing it".

This was ill-conceived. It just doesn't really apply to this situation.

lol dude. You're just going to keep spouting things you think you know but are wrong about. Why don't you look it up. Yes, the Mycenaeans controlled Athens like they controlled all of Greece. Classical Athens was an Ionian city, not Mycenaean. Do I sound at all like I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about? Because I definitely do.

It was literally founded by mycenaean you dumbass.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Its foundation is mythical and almost certainly pre-Mycenaean. Classical Athens was an Ionian city. You are a fucking idiot. Not Mycenaean. Mycenaean Athens wasn't a major city. We're talking about a completely new, Ionian population. And you realize none of this has to do with anything we were originally talking about? You're just finding more shit to be wrong about. Why don't you look into Classical Athenian attitudes towards women, that should trigger you good enough for the rest of the day.

We're talking about a completely new, Ionian population.

lol. Explain me when exactly athen was invaded by the ionians. lol

Wait, do you think that the Mycenaeans were Ionians, or vice versa? Because you would be wrong. The Ionians lived in central Greece and took over Attica when the Mycenaeans fell, though they were there before too. Mycenaeans spoke a completely different dialect, they're not related to Ionians. The point is that hardly anyone even lived there. It didn't become a major city until hundreds of years after the Mycenaeans collapsed.

Athens has been inhabited from Neolithic times, possibly from the end of the 4th millennium BC, or nearly 5,000 years.[11] By 1412 BC, the settlement had become an important center of the Mycenaean civilization and the Acropolis was the site of a major Mycenaean fortress whose remains can be recognised from sections of the characteristic Cyclopean walls.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Athens#Origins_and_early_history

Really make you think.

Yeah, why don't you look at how "extensive" those ruins are. It was a small outpost. It was extensive by Mycenaean standards. They were barely a civilization.

Surething mister "athen is not mycenaean and reaving the future".

Classical Athens is not Mycenaean. Nobody disputes that, ok? They are different tribal families: Mycenaean is related to Arcadian, in the Peloponnese. Ionian Greek is not from the Peloponnese, it's from central Greece. They are just in no way the same people. Mycenae had an empire that means they controlled territory outside their own, including Athens. Later, Athens was taken over by Ionians. It had a couple thousand people under Mycenae, but a couple hundred thousand under the Ionians, but this was centuries later. The Ionians came in during and after the Mycenaeans, and then conquered and settled Asia Minor.

In any case, the Mycenaeans themselves were a warrior tribe who came in and conquered earlier agricultural people. This is shown in the Iliad.

reaving the future

I'm not saying that. Are you saying farming is the future? No, we're both talking about the past. Your original point was that patriarchal societies weren't the main driver of the development of civilization, but they were, and you're dumb. Go away.

1) The Illiad is in no way or form a historical document.

2) Mycenaean economy depended almost entirely on trade and agriculture, you subhuman mongoloid.

Lmao, imagine being so wrong about everything you try to argue about 😂 😂 😂

Maybe if your redneck uncle actually spent some time homeschooling you, instead of just molesting you, you wouldn't come across as such a total 'tard rn. You are to be pitied.

1) The Illiad is in no way or form a historical document.

It portrays a warrior society that existed. You didn't see that was the point (though it's definitely a side point) because you're an illiterate ball chortler.

2) Mycenaean economy depended almost entirely on trade and agriculture, you subhuman mongoloid.

HURRR DURRR You know what an economy is! Good job genius! Everyone's fucking economy is based on TRADE and agriculture. Look at the brain trust over here with the 20hr old account. Please give us more of your invaluable insights. I'm talking about their origins, fuckass. The Mycenaeans didn't come up with agriculture. They fucked people up.

Lmao, imagine being so wrong about everything you try to argue about

hahaha I'm not though. Not about a single thing. You're just a jackass with an ulterior agenda. You don't care about history, you've got some gay political point you wanna make, and you just want to get into a flame war. BAAAARF. Barf all over your shit arguments and your boring wikipedia nitpicking.

Good god, a 3-page long spergout and you haven't managed to get one thing right. You just further humiliate yourself with each new post.

Even MGTOW tards aren't this delusional and historically illiterate.

No, he does, or you do, as the case may be. I don't think think anyone else besides that guy is stupid enough to think anything he says has any basis in reality. I'm guessing this is an alt.

You're such a dumb faggot so I feel like I have to destroy you even though it's a waste of my time

wew

Imagine imagineposting this much all over a single thread. Lmao

Imagine effort posting against people that unironically believe argiculture civilisation are weaker than roving tribes.

No, you're a misinformed idiot. As everyone knows, the people who created agriculture ended up being the slaves of the warrior tribes who immediately conquered them, and then continued to conquer them periodically for the rest of history whenever they got too soft, or feminine. That is the arc of human history.

For example, when weak agriculture-having Europeans encountered the noble hunter-warriors of North America, lmao.

The point is that the ruling, or political, class descended from conquerors in every human society, not from agricultural communities. Developing agriculture was not what made Europe strong: Africa had agriculture, despite what you say. No, it was the political structures that they created as a warrior society.

Everyone agrees on this, right and left. If you're not aware of it, you're just uneducated.

Imagine getting such a hard on for penis

I have a hard on for reality. You're the one who can't stop talking about dick.

HARD THROBBING COCK

I don't need to imagine. :*

Point is, if European women were just as lazy as Native American ones, the situation would'be been very different!

No, if horses had been native to North America, then Native American women would have gotten conquered. And probably raped, to be fair.

In fact, when horses spread to North America in the 17th century, that's exactly what happened. Hence tribes like Comanche, Pawnee, Shoshone, Nez Perce, Lakota--all ruthless patriarchal bastards.

No, if horses had been native to North America, then Native American women would have gotten conquered.

What?

If they'd started conquering earlier, they would have had civilizations that could compete with Europe.

They couldn't compete with Europe because they didn't have agriculture.

They had agriculture. They didn't have the militarized social structure to force people into mass agriculture, because no one ever developed the technological means to subjugate people with cavalry. This is how every civilization was formed.

They didn't have the militarized social structure to force people into mass agriculture, because no one ever developed the technological means to subjugate their neighbors, like with cavalry. This is how every civilization was formed in Eurasia.

Nope, Babylonians didn't have horses (at least at first), Chinese relied on mass infantry (and yeah, lots and lots of agriculture, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Lord_Shang if you want a glimpse into the batshit insane stuff they had going that makes Pol Pot look like Ayn Rand), Aztecs and Inca had pretty cool empires too.

Aztecs were also not agricultural, they conquered a settled civilization and took over. Not sure about the incas.

Shang and Zhou had chariots--mass infantry came later.

Babylonians and Sumerians didn't have horses, but they were conquered by people who did. Same with the Egyptians. It's true that at the very beginning of history conquerors were on foot, like the first Pharaohs.

Not sure about the incas.

This is obvious, because if you were, you would know that the premise of your argument is garbage. I wonder if you actually know anything about history that you didn't skim from Wikipedia.

I wonder if you actually know anything about history that you didn't skim from Wikipedia.

No, that's you. It's okay to disagree with this view of history, but to be unaware of its existence is to be uneducated and ultimately ignorant. It's very old and still very much alive today. Here are just a couple examples:

https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Roman-Empire-History-Barbarians/dp/1522670149

https://www.amazon.com/Empires-Silk-Road-History-Central/dp/0691150346

These are scholarly works, not ideological at all.

Here is a map of all the independent discoveries of agriculture:

http://apworldipedia.com/images/3/31/Beginning_farming.png

Each of these civilizations was conquered by a non-agricultural warrior society. That much is beyond question.

You are a fucking piece of shit. My argument is not garbage. You are human garbage. Fuck you.

Are you abusing your oxy prescriptions again, Cleetus?

Go ahead, I'll give you another try. You can do better, 20hr old account.

You are an abject retard and just proved your own argument to be shit. I strongly encourage you to go jump in a lake.

the noble hunter-warriors of North America, lmao.

Seriously?

Imagine thinking if everyone behaved like women we would have made it out of the caves. Society would collapse in a couple days without men today imagine what it would have been like pre industrial revolution

Imagine thinking if everyone behaved like women we would have made it out of the caves.

>Imagine thinking cave men lived in caves.

You are one special boy aren't you.

Imagine not understanding a figure of speech. Also agriculture took place long after humanity left Africa and moved to environments more suited for the development of agriculture. Not to mention hunting is believed to be the reason human intelligence is where it is today.

The drama is coming from within /r/Drama

Not to mention hunting is believed to be the reason human intelligence is where it is today.

Wew, lad. Imagine being so ignorant that you can say "[anything] is believed to be the reason human intelligence is where it is today" unironically.

The human brain requires about 25% of the calories required for a human to survive at rest. This sort of energy requirement pre-agriculture would have been dependant on calories from animal kills. Veganism is literally a first world invention. I'm not being ignorant, eating meat and being able to cook meat is why we were able to provide the calories necessary for such a powerful brain. Not to mention the surplus of calories allowed more children to be born and survive into adulthood.

Cause and effect are the same thing

t. dumbass

Have you ever taken an anthropology course or one studying evolution? Meat eating is what made us human https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16990

Meat eating is what made us human

Your cite only give the proof that it modified the dentition, not the brain.

are you retarded or just pretending? No shit it shrunk the size of the muscles needed for chewing allowing the cranium to expand. It's literally the best explanation we have for human intelligence. https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html

There are literally as many paper as you want to explain why we are more intelligent, from social reasons to what we eat and so on. There is no such thing as "literally the best explanation we have for human intelligence", because we still don't know what led to it.

And now I am serious posting, noose me daddy.

Meat eating made humans human you fat fuck

imagine posting fatboi shrek photos

What was a game changer was agriculture, not exploration you absolute dumbass.

Which required toil, muscle mass and innovation and was done....by men..

>Imagine being this much of an ignorant moron to believe women weren't in the fields too.

Imagine being so much of an idiot that you think the amount of manual labor done was the same...

LOL yeah the circle jerk "you go girl" coupled with the fact that it is Science mag doesn't make that a legit source.

>Not knowing science mag is literally Science.

It's on the same level as nature you dumbass.

Not knowing just because "Science" is in the title doesn't make it anymore founded in fact.

Not realizing there is no way to quantify who did what because literally the study measured shin bones

Science says you are a douche.

Its literally Science

It's the magazine Science you absolute dumbass. That's one of the biggest and most reputable science journal that exist you idiot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_(journal)

It's the magazine Science you absolute dumbass.

Yet they make outlandish claims based on shin density... and spout feminist narratives, and don't even bother citing a study.....

Yep real professional

They are the one publishing the study you idiot. It's the doi at the end of the article you absolute idiot.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321392157_Strong_women_did_a_lot_of_the_heavy_lifting_in_ancient_farming_societies

They are the one publishing the study you idiot. It's the doi at the end of the article you absolute idiot.

In an incredibly unprofessional method, with little actual science, and making huge leaps based on....shin bones??? with no other verification.

lol, imagine believing that you a redditor that didn't even knew Science has any kind of valuable insight into anything.

lol imagine a Science magazine should be objective and fact based in order to withstand scrutiny...Imagine a science magazine should have more than shin bone measurements to support outlandish claims that fly in the face of other studies....

lol, imagine believing that you a redditor that didn't even knew Science has any kind of valuable insight into anything.

lol imagine a Science magazine should be objective and fact based in order to withstand scrutiny...Imagine a science magazine should have more than shin bone measurements to support outlandish claims that fly in the face of other studies....

lol, imagine believing that you a redditor that didn't even knew Science has any kind of valuable insight into anything.

lol imagine a Science magazine should be objective and fact based in order to withstand scrutiny...Imagine a science magazine should have more than shin bone measurements to support outlandish claims that fly in the face of other studies....

lol, imagine believing that you a redditor that didn't even knew Science has any kind of valuable insight into anything.

lol imagine a Science magazine should be objective and fact based in order to withstand scrutiny...Imagine a science magazine should have more than shin bone measurements to support outlandish claims that fly in the face of other studies....

This is fun

lol, imagine believing that you a redditor that didn't even knew Science has any kind of valuable insight into anything.

lol imagine a Science magazine should be objective and fact based in order to withstand scrutiny...Imagine a science magazine should have more than shin bone measurements to support outlandish claims that fly in the face of other studies....

Checkmate!

Dude you got BTFO. Let the scientists do the thinking for you in the future.

Here are direct quotes from this unbiased "scientific" study:

Forget about emotional labor. Women living 7000 years ago had to deal with another lopsided workload: farming. Prehistoric women shouldered a major share of the hoeing, digging, and hauling in early agricultural societies...............“We felt it was likely a huge oversimplification to say [prehistoric women] were simply not doing that much, or not doing as much as the men, or were largely sedentary,” she says.

Oh my sounds like they already had a conclusion and sought answers to justify it.

But when the researchers looked at the upper arm bones, a new pattern emerged: Prehistoric women in the Neolithic, Bronze, and Iron ages would have had about 5%–10% more arm strength than the modern female athletes in the study, the researchers report today in Science Advances.

So prehistoric people were stronger. Not a shocker.

That’s the same kind of strength needed for digging ditches, heaving around crop baskets and equipment, and grinding cereal grains.

That is a possible explanation not the explanation, and it is a crock that the basis is comparing current pampered women against prehistoric women and acting like the entire situation is the same.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

Oh look! The conclusion disproves every.single.thing.that.was.said.above. huh.

Look layperson, I don't give a fuck about the argument or the study - I was addressing the fact that you didn't realize Science is one of the top academic journals in the country. You just read "Science Mag" in the url and immediately discredited it because you don't know shit about the scientific community.

You just read "Science Mag" in the url and immediately discredited it because you don't know shit about the scientific community.

When it's articles are biased as fuck I don't see how it could be viewed as anything other than a pile of shit.

Yes, we know you don't have the basic scientific grounding to have any kind of discussion about anything beyond fentanyl.

Yes, we know you don't have the basic scientific grounding to have any kind of discussion about anything beyond fentanyl.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

Oh look! The conclusion disproves every.single.thing.that.was.said.above. huh.

lol, imagine believing that you a redditor that didn't even knew Science has any kind of valuable insight into anything.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

Oh look! The conclusion disproves every.single.thing.that.was.said.above. huh.

lol, imagine believing that you a redditor that didn't even knew Science has any kind of valuable insight into anything.

Imagine you cant see sensationalism even when the article even says it is being sensationalist.

lol, imagine believing that you a redditor that didn't even knew Science has any kind of valuable insight into anything.

Imagine you cant see sensationalism even when the article even says it is being sensationalist.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

lol, imagine believing that you a redditor that didn't even knew Science has any kind of valuable insight into anything.

Imagine you cant see sensationalism even when the article even says it is being sensationalist.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

Imagine you cant see sensationalism even when the article even says it is being sensationalist.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

lol, imagine believing that you a redditor that didn't even knew Science has any kind of valuable insight into anything.

Everyone pretty much has to make huge leaps on their shin bones.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

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It isnt uncommon for poeple to see things on the internet and outright steal them without question. It's not even questioned anymore poeple just fucking see something and think, "Yeah, me as well!" Case in point: The dog vanishing thing. Did everyone have to record it after seeing one person do it? Really ? Its just blindly following the crowd under the guise of something "trending". But more curiously, it is an old internet custom for, and i'm not being racist here, but typically I have noticed white people will steal things straight from Asians and not even try to credit them. It started with that "Milk and Cereal (Cereal and Milk)" video. Two Asian guys did it first, then about a year or two later, two white dudes copied it exactly. I have noticed that in recent years, Asians will typically innovate some sort of art or make up or cooking technique and it will be repeated on the internet until a (again, not trying to be racist or anything) white person will usually copy exactly what the Asian person does without really incorporating any originality into it, record themselves doing it, and post it online, where it will then go viral because its the first time most other white people have seen it. (I dont know why but it seems most minorities have some sort of world wide cultural exchange with Asia that tends to be lost on the whites...maybe because dbz was translated everywhere before it finally came to adult swim? Was it the kung fu, and later the Jackie Chan movies? Is it because some sort of Asian is everywhere, but usually the communities start out along side other minority neighborhoods?) But the weird thing is, with the rise of things like Asian vines and this increasingly worldwide meme culture, the Asians are beginning to do the same thing! They just started copying western trends without changing them up as well! It's all just one big pointless fucking circle. Everything is dying, which is why it sucks when you see someone basically steal someone's artistic style and ideas almost exactly and not really change it up at all- like that cereal and milk video. I wonder if it is because white people have seen a steady stream of media outlets where they appropriate other peoples cultures better than the person whose culture it is since the 80's. I'm not trying to be racist, this is just something that has happened, and maybe it explains some of the behavior I have noticed...

Wow, you must be a JP fan

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The game has changed several times. Think of all the really obscure populated islands. Do you think it was women that were being loaded onto rafts and shipped off in a random direction? Hell no, you need those to propagate the species, there are only like 10,000 humans and you can't waste 6 possible births on a faint hope of some new fruit or whatever. We populated the earth because a whole bunch of people set off in a random direction and almost all of them died. If they weren't almost 100% male we would've gone extinct.

I am impressed by your ignorance and/or your trolling.

you didn't refute my point

which make sense, since it's irrefutable

Nah, I didn't even try because it's on the same level as "gravity is a jewish hoax". In prehistory it was the entire tribe that moved around, because when you have 50 people including the kids, losing even 1 person is not acceptable.

They didn't just uproot entire villages at once, they had to do some dry runs so their tribe wouldn't go extinct. It's fine if Bob and Joe die on the way there, if Dave comes back with some new fruits and stuff and reports that the new island is better then they all move.

They didn't just uproot entire villages with no testing

...

Okay, let's stop the stupidity right there.

Do you think sedentary village could exist without agriculture ?

No

Do you think an isolated village that never explores could create a 747? Or even aspirin?

Isolated village meet roving tribe and make exchanges, which lead to them knowing more about stuff far away. Roving tribes stop being a thing when the isolated village start being a city, which can then certainly send explorers.

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please stop trying to larp as someone from 4chan, it's really cringeworthy

>Implying people from /his/ know anything about history.

Good un mate.

Imagine you cant see sensationalism even when the article even says it is being sensationalist.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

Imagine being this mad about other dudes' dicks because you were born with a micropenis, lol.

Dick size doesn't matter when you are a power bottom. Checkmat libtard.

Imagine you cant see sensationalism even when the article even says it is being sensationalist.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

HOW DARE YOU JUST ASSUME HIS VIOLENTLY-ASSIGNED-AT-BIRTH SEXUAL ORGAN(S)?

>Literally has boy in his name.

SOME BOYS HAVE VAGINAS SOME BOYS HAVE VAGINAS SOME BOYS HAVE VAGINAS SOME BOYS HAVE VAGINAS SOME BOYS HAVE VAGINAS SOME BOYS HAVE VAGINAS SOME BOYS HAVE VAGINAS SOME BOYS HAVE VAGINAS

Now check your privilege, Hitler.

>Imagine caring so much about trans that you lose your tendies over something completely unrelated.

> Imaging having so little self-awareness that you literally cannot realize that you are being mocked.

Mocking need to attack people for what they believe, you dumbass.

No, it only needs to point out the hypocrisy and logical inconsistency in what you say.

Dumbass.

Dumbass what the fuck are you on ?

Notapedophilium.

No kinkshame.

Imagine you cant see sensationalism even when the article even says it is being sensationalist.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

Imagine you cant see sensationalism even when the article even says it is being sensationalist.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

Imagine you cant see sensationalism even when the article even says it is being sensationalist.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

Imagine you cant see sensationalism even when the article even says it is being sensationalist.

In future studies, though, she would like researchers to look at the nutritional changes that happened after the agricultural revolution. Eating less meat and more grains and vegetables might have also helped shift bone and muscle strength, she notes. Another unanswered question, says Macintosh: precisely how ancient men and women split up the chores.

More like it put food on the table. Before agriculture, most societies were matriarchal communes, where everything was shared.

What a load of horseshit. It's always been extremely rare for tribal societies to be led by women.

>What are the elamites

>What are the moches

>What are the sitones.

You are a moron.

They are exceptions to the rule, obviously.

There are hundred of thousands of such exception. There are not many matriarchy when you get to a state level, but for tribe it's quite common.

That kinda supports his point more than yours.

I only disagreed with the tribes all being patriarchal.

Fair enough.

Being in charge of the cooking and kids isn't ruling.

>Imagine getting so bussy blasted about strong wymen

The elamites weren't matriarchal tho.

According to Cambridge Ancient History, "this predominance of a supreme goddess is probably a reflexion from the practice of matriarchy which at all times characterized Elamite civilization to a greater or lesser degree."[28]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elam

Every source we have which discusses relations between Elam and Babylonia/Assyria described them as a monarchy ruled by a king.

Might be due to assyria hang up about women in power, tho.

You're talking a whole lotta shit itt for someone who's argument hangs on "might", lmao.

They literally changed their own gods because wymens, famalama.

You're some kind of new age Wiccan vegan freak aren't you.

No kinkshame famalam

Ishtar was and remained one of the most prominent gods in the pantheon. The odd tendency towards assimilation of all gods with Assur can be discussed, but is hardly relevant as an example of a hang-up towards women in power.

But that link doesn't at all say the communities were matriarchal.

The link says that those communities were not-patriarchal, i.e., egalitarian.

My comment was to your earlier point.

Before agriculture, most societies were matriarchal communes,

The link doesn't say that at all. It says they were egalitarian.

They don't want an egalitarian culture.

Only viable for men to hunt and protect the tribe, women ruled.

women and men both can work the fields, men ruled.

Hunter-gatherer means mostly men hunt, women gather; there is little to gain by trying to hog resources, since everything is perishable - little reasons to not share.

Agriculture allowed for accumulation of resources; those most competent to gain and defend it ruled - those could provide food for multiple kids, so women artificially selected those to mate with, to give best chances to their babies.

Those both sound pretty patriarchal to me.

F A K E

N E W Z

You got any sources to back that up?

it also happens to be what gets women free drinks, free dinner, and 50% off tattoos. Something tells me those will be expected in the new free world.

The modern world was a mistake.

The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

Did you just fucking high five yourself?

that got humanity out of caves

We actually had to get into caves first. Also, caves were a privilege for the top 1%. There's not enough caves in the world.

Translation: neeeeeeeeeeeeeveeeeeeeeeer.

We will never be free until the blank is subjugated

Goy?

Literally nothing wrong with that statement.

Typical. Women can't handle it, need men to fix their made up problems.

I like how people try to reason with this clown, as if she has any interest other than collecting paychecks for writing stuff that outrages people. She's like a feminist Ann Coulter, except if possible, even less clever and more forthright in her schtick.

It is always possible to go lower.

Great comparison. As a lefty I find these hate filled pseudofeminists are part of the reason we have Trumps and Brexits. Toxic media personalities like Valenti have a lot to answer for. Their diatribes about men turn millions of people to the right where they find open arms instead of vilification.

  1. feminism is the ideology that women are equal to men, that's it (everyone should be) 2. the point of the article is to foster the same environment for boys to grow as we do girls 3. why wouldn't women be the "right ones" to teach boys to be men? shouldnt both sexes have a hand

Weren’t most school shooters raised in single mother households? 🤔

true

and every school shooter was born to a woman

mpreg would be the real solution

And the first well-known school shooter was a woman. Brenda Ann Spencer didn't do it because of bullying, social isolation or mental health issues, but because she felt like it. And you'd better not devalidate a woman's feelings.

Sounds like the silicon chip inside her head was switched to overload.

Tell me why.

Was that also the last well-known school shooter? Because the vast majority of mass shooters, like the vast majority of all violent criminals, are men.

citation needed.

Is there actually a country on earth at any time period where the majority of criminals aren't male?

There must be. I want to believe!

Is there a country on earth at any time period where the majority of doers and achievers aren't male? Yes, that drive can be turned to bad purposes. But don't you even dare try to tell me that women can't be just as twisted, bloodthirsty and hateful as the worst kind of men. They're just too busy taking selfies to do much about it, and when does the media instantly goes looking for the nearest man they can blame her actions on.

Well, women did make up 90% of rest cure patients so that's hardly new.

Tell me why... I don’t like Mondays.. I wanna shoot, shoot shoot.. the whole day down.

Wasn't there that Arab couple in California?

Arab couple

They were of Pakistani origin, but all brown people are the same anyway.

Absence of a strong male present around young males while growing up is a legitimate problem. Feminists are just trying to make it even worse than it already is.

If they make men worse, it will be easier to convince the world to end masculinity.

I grow more convinced by the day that feminism is a natural attempt to restore the patriarchy, not the opposite

  • talk shit to local males who basically let you do whatever you want

  • advocate for the importation of foreign males who want to control every aspect of your lives

  • when dealing with these foreign males in diplomatic situations, accede to their every wish and generally act submissive

  • create single mother home situations that will result in poorly socialized males who grow up to want to repress and control you, too

Like if it was just one thing I could shake it off, but its weirdly cohesive. Its probably still just a coincidence, but damn.

Most serial killers too.

1 and robosexual

Thot needs a good patrollin' tbqh

Jessica, don't be a mother.

She already is, unfortunately.

Reddit banned the ultra-feminist /r/MaleGenocide. Jessica Valenti where were you then?

where da drama?

Sorry but the evidence is in that women are destroying western civilization. The fact that every great civilization found a way to keep women subordinate to men is not an incidental social construct, but a prerequisite to stability and widespread prosperity. We can either recognize that fact, or be replaced by Muslims.

But Muslims do exactly that and their societies are literal hellholes. 😕

Polygamy doesn’t work. It’s basically what women do naturally to destroy civilization, Islam enforces it. Islam also has many other nasty qualities that make it a train wreck,

Ok

That is because Islam is a shit culture full of shit people.

But Muslims do exactly that and their societies are literal hellholes

There definitely aren't multiple factors that affect the state of a country or anything.

Obviously!

a generation of young, mostly white men

radical feminist hates men, what a shocker

Women will never be free

Misogyny is literally caused by people like Jessica Valenti

REEEEEMales strike again.

feminism in a nutshell ... brainwashing kids lmao what a cult