the senator told Jones, "Get your hand off me, don’t touch me.... I’ll take you out myself, I don’t need security... Jones called Rubio "gay" after the senator departed."
Dude, it happens to me all the time. I’ll be searching for the usual alpha male shit and some juicy, suckable tranny cock pops up and I bust a few loads in the office bathroom, it’s meaningless and also a bit of fake news from the vampires running our government.
Thank god it was tranny porn playing over my phone speakers when my boss came in and looked through the 1 foot wide American stall gaps to see me wanking. I claimed discrimination in court and won.
Rubio handled Jones' stupid heckling as well as he possibly could.
But I do side with Jones on the issue: Facebook, Twitter, Google are comparable to e.g. the USPS or phone providers, not to a restaurant.
If you send a million letters to a million people, the USPS is not allowed to inspect those letters and refuse to send them out, if they don't like what you're writing.
In the current state of the internet, when those companies decide to remove something, it's pretty much invisible. That is censorship.
If for whatever reasons Americans believe that full freedom of speech should not apply on those channels of communication, then at least the rules have to be clear and apolitical. And there needs to be some form of recourse.
There is accountability. Someone banned being accountable for breaking the ToS they agreed to. Your recourse is to start your own damn service and not impose yourself on a private companies private platform since you think you’re entitled to use it.
ISP's are akin to the postal service. I would fully agree that they shouldn't be able to ban objectionable content. However, Facebook, Google, and Twitter have every right to screen their platform for hateful or untrue content. Hell without certain provisions in the law, they would actually be held responsible for libel and indecency spread on their platform, much like a magazine would.
So if the postal service were a private company, you'd consider it good and ethical, if they read your letters and destroyed the ones they don't like?
What about your telephone service provider? You think they should listen in on your calls and cancel your contract if you say something they don't like?
So should the /r/conservative mods not be allowed to censor liberal content?
It's really simple. ISPs are subject to different rules because they're a utility like electric companies, there is only so much competition possible. But there's no limit to how many social network sites exist. You don't like Twitter, go to another website or start your own.
Ok, I did. Contracts are real. If UPS put a thing on its website saying "we get to inspect packages" and I send one anyway, thats fine if they inspect it. Contracts and user agreements and policies are things that exist. Same with any other company. the Youtube user agreement basically states that they own anything you post there and last I checked they can do about whatever they want with their private property - which includes what you dipshits upload.
IDK why I'm arguing tho, you are so dumb and confident that nothing will change your belief that the feeze peeches are being attacked by the big ebil private companies. But I will state my main point one last time - contracts exist.
you're a hardcore libertarian, who doesn't understand the purpose of free speech for progress, and thinks private companies' rights trump everything else?
you're a hardcore SJW, who doesn't understand the purpose of free speech for progress, and thinks private companies' rights trump individual rights in this specific case, because censoring political opponents seems like a great idea to you, and you don't think it could ever backfire?
who doesn't understand the purpose of free speech for social progress, and thinks private companies' rights trump individual rights in this specific case
They voluntarily entered into contracts with those entities. Jones hasn't sued and neither has anyone else. Why? There's no case to be made.
because censoring political opponents seems like a great idea to you, and you don't think it could ever backfire?
cri moar. (((WE))) are winning and you are losing. Get over it.
the purpose of free speech for social progress,
Even J.S. Mill recognized society can enforce limits on that. But, you never read on Liberty did you? Is it because you live online and can't be bothered to read anything?
oh wow, that's crazy!
Last I checked nobody accused the (((corporations))) of violating existing law, so you don't have an argument.
No law of Congress can place in the hands of officials connected with the Postal Service any authority to invade the secrecy of letters and such sealed packages in the mail; and all regulations adopted as to mail matter of this kind must be in subordination to the great principle embodied in the fourth amendment of the Constitution.[6]
So it's only the government that can't read letters, but an entreprise absolutely can, lol.
What did you intend to convey by linking that Wikipedia article? Companies like UPS and FedEx can open your packages if they want without a warrant. The USPS can't open certain packages that are protected by the 4th Amendment unless they have a warrant, but can open others without one.
Nobody is disconnecting his phone line dude, Private companies said they don't want him posting content on their website for all the world to see, read that fucking word again please, PRIVATE.
But you know what, the internet isn't a right either, if His ISP and phone company wanted to disconnect his shit, thats up to them as well, as private companies. They aren't required by law to have you as a customer, just as any other buisness can deny you service.
Private phone conversations aren't the same thing as Videos uploaded to a website that everyone has access to. Quit pretending they are, that argument is weak as fuck and makes you look stupid.
The postal service does go through your shit. They have a laundry list of shit they'll refuse to ship. You really haven't thought this through, have you?
"It's going to happen, we're going to walk out in the square, politically, at high noon, and he's going to find out whether he makes a move, man make the move first, and then it's going to happen," Jones said as he pantomimed shooting at Mueller.
"It's not a joke. It's not a game. It's the real world. Politically. You're going to get it, or I'm going to die trying, bitch. Get ready. We're going to bang heads," Jones continued, pretending to fire a gun at Mueller.
Jones wants to bitch about being kicked off YouTube but if you send that in a letter to the FBI, you've committed a felony.
I don't understand some of you right wing idiots. Like you're allowed fuck around far more than the law actually lets you and you run into consequences and start crying about how hard done by you are.
IMO they gave up that right when they marketed their product as free to use for anyone.
Facebook/Youtube/Twitter all have hundreds of users that are pro-ISIS, neo-Nazi, etc. yet they are worried about this one guy. It all seems pretty biased to me.
They backfire, as soon as in the future the regime sees your (retarded) mind as ban-worthy instead. I guess you're a hopeless optimist :)
In your view, why do we even need e.g. separation of powers or due process anymore? Aren't those also outdated obstacles that only hinder social progress towards LGBT luxury space commienism?
Yes, I think most of us would like regulations in favor of the citizens interests for once on a topic like this. These sites like Facebook are effectively an extension of the "Public Square". Censoring views in a public forum is curation and requires a different set of legal burdens.
Either allow the free transfer of ideas or admit you are an entertainment entity that is a curator of content. You can't have it both ways.
I mean he literally just had to not threaten to kill an FBI agent on air. No shit Jones isn't doing anything. You can't sell shitty nutrients from jail. He's always been just on the verge of what was legal. The whole in going to call Mueller a paedophile then suggest people kill him in a figurative way is so far over the line for inciting violence.
All of his fans are morons. They're delusional people so should definitely not be told to kill an FBI agent.
ALEX JONES (HOST): That's the thing, is like, once it's [special counsel Robert] Mueller, everyone's so scared of Mueller, they'd let Mueller rape kids in front of people, which he did. I mean, Mueller covered up for a decade for [Jeffrey] Epstein kidnapping kids, flying them on sex planes, some kids as young as seven years old reportedly, with big perverts raping them to frame people. I mean, Mueller is a monster, man. God, imagine -- he's even above the pedophiles, though. The word is he doesn't have sex with kids, he just controls it all. Can you imagine being a monster like that? God.
People say, "Well, God, aren't you scared of him?" I'm scared of not manning up. I'm constantly in fear that I'm not being a real man, and I'm not doing what it takes, and I'm not telling the truth. And so, call it whatever you want, I look at that guy, and he's a sack of crap. That's a demon I will take down, or I'll die trying. So that's it. It's going to happen, we're going to walk out in the square, politically, at high noon, and he's going to find out whether he makes a move man, make the move first, and then it's going to happen. It's not a joke. It's not a game. It's the real world. Politically. You're going to get it, or I'm going to die trying, bitch. Get ready. We're going to bang heads. We're going to bang heads.
They don’t refuse to ship a letter based on its content, which is what the social media companies do. USPS would refuse to ship illegal drugs, much like Twitter would refuse to host a torrented copy of The Avengers. The analogy holds.
You know sending a letter with what Jones said in it is a felony punishable by five years in prison? It's illegal to use the USPS to send threats. Jones would be in jail if he wasn't Jones.
He didn't commit the felony. He posted something online which if he sent it through the USPS would be a felony.
I'm disagreeing with people who are saying that he wouldn't be treated the same way using the USPS to distribute his message by pointing out if he did that he'd commit a felony.
He posted something online which if he sent it through the USPS would be a felony.
/doubt
I'm disagreeing with people who are saying that he wouldn't be treated the same way using the USPS to distribute his message by pointing out if he did that he'd commit a felony.
But thereby you are claiming that it would be different!
Being banned from sending letters is not the same as being charged with a crime.
Yeah instead of losing a free platform he'd go to jail.
The guy threatened to kill an FBI agent to millions of people. Wrap it in all the layers of metaphor you want, the USA does not look lightly on that shit.
That's fucking swell. 95% of cases in the USA are plee bargained out. So literally everything after step 2 doesn't happen in 95% of the United States criminal cases. It's kind of a wonder why they imprison the 3rd most people pp after North Korea and Guam isn't it?
Alex Jones called an FBI agent a paedophile and said he'd murder him.
Only you could be stupid enough to defend him being banned from social media as an injustice.
If you send a million letters to a million people, the USPS is not allowed to read those letters and refuse to send them out, if they don't like what you're writing.
The following items are not acceptable for carriage via Global Express Guaranteed service to any international destinations unless otherwise indicated.
For all his BS aside, Alex actually asked an important question. And Rubio even attempted to answer. There's a video somewhere about their live encounter.
Now half-brain half-dead American will go away from this article assured his freedom of speech is in good hands.
Not to mention exaggerating the "fight." Rubio said, "You aren't getting arrested. I'll take care of it myself." Not "I'll take you out myself." Newsweek made the whole thing way more dramatic than it actually happened.
But, that's what being dramatic is all about, so kudos for Newsweek!
Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Alex Jones doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. The notion that he doesn't know what he's doing is just not true and needs to be dispelled. He knows exactly what he's doing, so let's dispel this fiction that he doesn't. The notion that he doesn't know what he's doing is just not true and needs to be dispelled. He knows exactly what he's doing.
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1 jorio 2018-09-05
The Miami Manlet backed Jones down? Haha.
1 TheDickTwister 2018-09-05
From the guy who was caught with tranny porn just a few days ok
1 ShadowPooper 2018-09-05
nobody believes that though.
1 TheDickTwister 2018-09-05
Oh yeah it just popped up, everyone has hunderds of tranny porn pop up every week. sure.
1 PostingMacaronis 2018-09-05
Yeah dude. Just recently I had a couple of terabytes of tranny porn just pop up in my hard drive. It's really not that uncommon.
1 unrulyfarmhand 2018-09-05
Dude, it happens to me all the time. I’ll be searching for the usual alpha male shit and some juicy, suckable tranny cock pops up and I bust a few loads in the office bathroom, it’s meaningless and also a bit of fake news from the vampires running our government.
1 TheDickTwister 2018-09-05
Same but with child porn
1 LickMyElbowItsACOCK 2018-09-05
Thank god it was tranny porn playing over my phone speakers when my boss came in and looked through the 1 foot wide American stall gaps to see me wanking. I claimed discrimination in court and won.
1 alexmikli 2018-09-05
It's accidentally happened to me a few times. Of course I love that shit regardless so I was good with it.
1 Cruentum 2018-09-05
nah nah man, according to him, he was just showing his family it exists :)
1 MildlyCat 2018-09-05
I really wish Kurt would pop back up on the radar again...
1 loli_esports 2018-09-05
what ever happened to the case with jew shekelstein
1 MildlyCat 2018-09-05
He morphed into another generic-pussy-hat-twitter-user
1 Lostx22 2018-09-05
It’s the FBI setting him up 😤😤 you should wake up sheepe 🐑 👏💪
1 ShadowPooper 2018-09-05
yup deplatformed and a week later "4chan" discovers he is browsing "tranny porn" ...are people really this gullible?
1 grungebot5000 2018-09-05
this is the first I’ve heard of it, and I’m not even sure who it refers to, but I now believe that both Jones and Rubio were caught with tranny porn
1 captainpriapism 2018-09-05
why are they even fighting then
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1 shallowm 2018-09-05
gotta maintain the facade
1 AnnoysTheGoys 2018-09-05
builds the sexual tension
1 shallowm 2018-09-05
related /r/drama thread
1 ConservativesRBIGgay 2018-09-05
Found Kurt Eichenwald’s alt
1 MildlyCat 2018-09-05
Traps aren't gay
1 strathmeyer 2018-09-05
Sure just the guys who look at them
1 MildlyCat 2018-09-05
Do balls touch?
I said do balls touch?
No?
Then not gay, even for viewers.
1 BeanerShnitzel 2018-09-05
The fuck kinda problem you have with bussy, you sick degenerate?
Get the fuck out, your kind ain’t welcome here.
You probably hate dinosaurs 🦖 🦕 too .... 😤😤😤
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1 thx_II38 2018-09-05
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1 MildlyCat 2018-09-05
FINALLY
1 RyeWhiskeyy 2018-09-05
He's been drinking that obama water
1 MrComicBook 2018-09-05
Traps aren't gay you degenerate.
1 FearOfBees 2018-09-05
What's wrong with that dicktwister?
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1 Kat_B0T 2018-09-05
Traps aren’t gay, this shit was settled in 2015 bro. Absolute state of drama, folks shilling for lil Marco 🤦🏿♂️
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2018-09-05
Sugar Gay
1 grungebot5000 2018-09-05
leonard or robinson?
1 Al_ButteredToast 2018-09-05
Sounds like two 14 year olds fighting online.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
Rubio handled Jones' stupid heckling as well as he possibly could.
But I do side with Jones on the issue: Facebook, Twitter, Google are comparable to e.g. the USPS or phone providers, not to a restaurant.
If you send a million letters to a million people, the USPS is not allowed to inspect those letters and refuse to send them out, if they don't like what you're writing.
In the current state of the internet, when those companies decide to remove something, it's pretty much invisible. That is censorship.
If for whatever reasons Americans believe that full freedom of speech should not apply on those channels of communication, then at least the rules have to be clear and apolitical. And there needs to be some form of recourse.
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2018-09-05
Youre a fucking retard
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
you sound upset
1 BuyMeAnNSX 2018-09-05
Trying to compare a government public sector branch to a private company who has final say on what goes up on their platform is asinine.
You are a fucking retard.
1 captainpriapism 2018-09-05
muh private companies lol
electricity is also a private company in a lot of countries
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1 ioiidnsksi 2018-09-05
and those countries are run by jews. private companies are just ways for jews to accumulate more shekels
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
So if the postal service were private, you'd consider it good and ethical, if they read your letters and destroyed the ones they don't like?
What about your phone company? You think they should listen in on your calls and cancel your contract if you say something they don't like?
1 watermark02 2018-09-05
You are posting this shit in public. You can't compare it to a private letter.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
Why would this justify censorship without accountability or recourse?
1 McFluffTheCrimeCat 2018-09-05
There is accountability. Someone banned being accountable for breaking the ToS they agreed to. Your recourse is to start your own damn service and not impose yourself on a private companies private platform since you think you’re entitled to use it.
The absolute state of republicans.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
lol
1 watermark02 2018-09-05
ISP's are akin to the postal service. I would fully agree that they shouldn't be able to ban objectionable content. However, Facebook, Google, and Twitter have every right to screen their platform for hateful or untrue content. Hell without certain provisions in the law, they would actually be held responsible for libel and indecency spread on their platform, much like a magazine would.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
Which part of my comment confused you?
I didn't suggest platform providers (e.g. Facebook) should be treated like newspapers or publishers.
I suggest platform providers should be treated like providers of other communication channels -- postal service, telecommunication or DSL providers.
Facebook and Twitter are communication channels, and like telco, postal service etc, they are pretty close to natural monopolies.
1 RyeWhiskeyy 2018-09-05
The Postal service isn't a private company, you seem to think it is, It is run by the US Gov't.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
So if the postal service were a private company, you'd consider it good and ethical, if they read your letters and destroyed the ones they don't like?
What about your telephone service provider? You think they should listen in on your calls and cancel your contract if you say something they don't like?
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
why the hypocrisy?
What exactly justifies censorship on one channel of communication, but not on the other?
1 McFluffTheCrimeCat 2018-09-05
It’s not a double standard. It’s two completely different things. I’m starting to think your being intellectually dishonest on purpose. 🤔
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
They're providers of two different types of communication channels.
twitter : telco :: telco : postal service.
1 pervent-account 2018-09-05
So should the /r/conservative mods not be allowed to censor liberal content?
It's really simple. ISPs are subject to different rules because they're a utility like electric companies, there is only so much competition possible. But there's no limit to how many social network sites exist. You don't like Twitter, go to another website or start your own.
1 cheeZetoastee 2018-09-05
1st amendment applies to the government, you dipshit.
The absolute state of civics classes in burgerland.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
you sound stupid.
read the other replies, then try again with something less retarded.
1 cheeZetoastee 2018-09-05
Ok, I did. Contracts are real. If UPS put a thing on its website saying "we get to inspect packages" and I send one anyway, thats fine if they inspect it. Contracts and user agreements and policies are things that exist. Same with any other company. the Youtube user agreement basically states that they own anything you post there and last I checked they can do about whatever they want with their private property - which includes what you dipshits upload.
IDK why I'm arguing tho, you are so dumb and confident that nothing will change your belief that the feeze peeches are being attacked by the big ebil private companies. But I will state my main point one last time - contracts exist.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
oh wow, that's crazy!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrecy_of_correspondence
two possibilities:
you're a hardcore libertarian, who doesn't understand the purpose of free speech for progress, and thinks private companies' rights trump everything else?
you're a hardcore SJW, who doesn't understand the purpose of free speech for progress, and thinks private companies' rights trump individual rights in this specific case, because censoring political opponents seems like a great idea to you, and you don't think it could ever backfire?
1 cheeZetoastee 2018-09-05
I am neither, I'm an unironic centrist.
They voluntarily entered into contracts with those entities. Jones hasn't sued and neither has anyone else. Why? There's no case to be made.
cri moar. (((WE))) are winning and you are losing. Get over it.
Even J.S. Mill recognized society can enforce limits on that. But, you never read on Liberty did you? Is it because you live online and can't be bothered to read anything?
Last I checked nobody accused the (((corporations))) of violating existing law, so you don't have an argument.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
Who was disputing that? I didn't claim he should sue anyone. What we need is new legislation.
There was also a time when electricity providers could write into their contract whatever they want, e.g. refuse service for frivolous reasons.
Then people realized that natural monopolies require a bit more regulation.
who is me and who is "(((YOU)))"?
But judging by your comments, you're gonna lose either way.
The type of society you seem to idealize is gonna be as healthy as the USSR was.
Not a stable setup.
1 cheeZetoastee 2018-09-05
OK
1 dogDroolsCatsRules 2018-09-05
Really make you think.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
yup.
then continue reading the next 5 lines..
1 dogDroolsCatsRules 2018-09-05
So it's only the government that can't read letters, but an entreprise absolutely can, lol.
1 shallowm 2018-09-05
What did you intend to convey by linking that Wikipedia article? Companies like UPS and FedEx can open your packages if they want without a warrant. The USPS can't open certain packages that are protected by the 4th Amendment unless they have a warrant, but can open others without one.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
I linked it because it's fucking crazy to me that Americans don't have this right, which most of Europe has.
1 shallowm 2018-09-05
europe gay
1 RyeWhiskeyy 2018-09-05
Free speech doesn't equal murder threats you fucking moron.
Alex Jones is a fucking fat idiot who needs to neck himself and anyone who buys into his bullshit is ironically a sheep.
1 37586316845 2018-09-05
Murder threats are for the authorities to deal with.
Put him on trial for it.
Disconnecting to his phone line isn't the solution.
1 RyeWhiskeyy 2018-09-05
Nobody is disconnecting his phone line dude, Private companies said they don't want him posting content on their website for all the world to see, read that fucking word again please, PRIVATE.
But you know what, the internet isn't a right either, if His ISP and phone company wanted to disconnect his shit, thats up to them as well, as private companies. They aren't required by law to have you as a customer, just as any other buisness can deny you service.
1 37586316845 2018-09-05
Nobody is allowed to disconnect his phone line.
If it were legal, activists would 100% try to get telecommunication providers to disconnect political opponents.
Regulations prevent this. We need similar regulations for online communication providers.
1 RyeWhiskeyy 2018-09-05
Private phone conversations aren't the same thing as Videos uploaded to a website that everyone has access to. Quit pretending they are, that argument is weak as fuck and makes you look stupid.
1 37586316845 2018-09-05
You sound angry, and that's not really an argument.
If torturing cats is illegal, and dogs are not cats, it doesn't follow that torturing dogs should be legal.
Which is pretty much how your "argument" goes.
1 RyeWhiskeyy 2018-09-05
Stop comparing apples to oranges my dude.
1 siempreloco31 2018-09-05
Companies being allowed to dictate what appears on their platforms is not a hardcore libertarian take, it's a standard libertarian take.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
brainlet take
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
The postal service does go through your shit. They have a laundry list of shit they'll refuse to ship. You really haven't thought this through, have you?
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
Seems like you have trouble with reading comprehension.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
"It's going to happen, we're going to walk out in the square, politically, at high noon, and he's going to find out whether he makes a move, man make the move first, and then it's going to happen," Jones said as he pantomimed shooting at Mueller.
"It's not a joke. It's not a game. It's the real world. Politically. You're going to get it, or I'm going to die trying, bitch. Get ready. We're going to bang heads," Jones continued, pretending to fire a gun at Mueller.
Jones wants to bitch about being kicked off YouTube but if you send that in a letter to the FBI, you've committed a felony.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/876
I don't understand some of you right wing idiots. Like you're allowed fuck around far more than the law actually lets you and you run into consequences and start crying about how hard done by you are.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
this is wild
did Alex Jones write this?
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
He threatened to kill Mueller on the air which is what got him banned from everywhere. Top bit is a quote from his show.
1 CreamyDingleberry 2018-09-05
It's pretty obvious that was figurative speech. He even prefaced it with 'politically'
1 UmmahSultan 2018-09-05
OK. So do you want a law that compels Facebook/etc to give a platform to nutcases like Jones?
1 CreamyDingleberry 2018-09-05
I think we already do. The first amendment. No matter your opinion on anything you should have the right to speak your mind.
1 theageofspades 2018-09-05
And Facebook/Youtube/Twitter have the right to say, "This man is too fucking nuts and is turning away advertisers".
1 CreamyDingleberry 2018-09-05
IMO they gave up that right when they marketed their product as free to use for anyone.
Facebook/Youtube/Twitter all have hundreds of users that are pro-ISIS, neo-Nazi, etc. yet they are worried about this one guy. It all seems pretty biased to me.
1 theageofspades 2018-09-05
You seem pretty biased to me. And functionally retarded.
1 CreamyDingleberry 2018-09-05
Lol ok guy
1 preserved_fish 2018-09-05
No right for your (retarded) mind to be broadcast, tho.
1 CreamyDingleberry 2018-09-05
Gross
1 preserved_fish 2018-09-05
You think getting your ass hand to you is gross? Why do you hate your own bussy?
1 CreamyDingleberry 2018-09-05
No. Your complete lack of social skills and common logic is gross.
1 preserved_fish 2018-09-05
Maybe go back to worrying about mommy fucking the latest Chad and ignoring your tendie rights.
1 CreamyDingleberry 2018-09-05
I don't have an alt and even if I did you're definitely not worth the time it takes to downvote you. Go back to your incels weirdo.
1 preserved_fish 2018-09-05
Sorry mommyvore you lost.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
The problem with authoritarian solutions is this:
They backfire, as soon as in the future the regime sees your (retarded) mind as ban-worthy instead. I guess you're a hopeless optimist :)
In your view, why do we even need e.g. separation of powers or due process anymore? Aren't those also outdated obstacles that only hinder social progress towards LGBT luxury space commienism?
1 Teh_Jews 2018-09-05
Yes, I think most of us would like regulations in favor of the citizens interests for once on a topic like this. These sites like Facebook are effectively an extension of the "Public Square". Censoring views in a public forum is curation and requires a different set of legal burdens.
Either allow the free transfer of ideas or admit you are an entertainment entity that is a curator of content. You can't have it both ways.
1 grungebot5000 2018-09-05
what’s wrong with just doing the second thing
1 Teh_Jews 2018-09-05
because it's not happening right now?
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
I mean he literally just had to not threaten to kill an FBI agent on air. No shit Jones isn't doing anything. You can't sell shitty nutrients from jail. He's always been just on the verge of what was legal. The whole in going to call Mueller a paedophile then suggest people kill him in a figurative way is so far over the line for inciting violence.
All of his fans are morons. They're delusional people so should definitely not be told to kill an FBI agent.
ALEX JONES (HOST): That's the thing, is like, once it's [special counsel Robert] Mueller, everyone's so scared of Mueller, they'd let Mueller rape kids in front of people, which he did. I mean, Mueller covered up for a decade for [Jeffrey] Epstein kidnapping kids, flying them on sex planes, some kids as young as seven years old reportedly, with big perverts raping them to frame people. I mean, Mueller is a monster, man. God, imagine -- he's even above the pedophiles, though. The word is he doesn't have sex with kids, he just controls it all. Can you imagine being a monster like that? God.
People say, "Well, God, aren't you scared of him?" I'm scared of not manning up. I'm constantly in fear that I'm not being a real man, and I'm not doing what it takes, and I'm not telling the truth. And so, call it whatever you want, I look at that guy, and he's a sack of crap. That's a demon I will take down, or I'll die trying. So that's it. It's going to happen, we're going to walk out in the square, politically, at high noon, and he's going to find out whether he makes a move man, make the move first, and then it's going to happen. It's not a joke. It's not a game. It's the real world. Politically. You're going to get it, or I'm going to die trying, bitch. Get ready. We're going to bang heads. We're going to bang heads.
1 CreamyDingleberry 2018-09-05
I'm failing to see where he is asking all of his followers to kill someone.
1 froibo 2018-09-05
Just a prank bro.
1 DoktorSteven 2018-09-05
They don’t refuse to ship a letter based on its content, which is what the social media companies do. USPS would refuse to ship illegal drugs, much like Twitter would refuse to host a torrented copy of The Avengers. The analogy holds.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
You know sending a letter with what Jones said in it is a felony punishable by five years in prison? It's illegal to use the USPS to send threats. Jones would be in jail if he wasn't Jones.
1 DoktorSteven 2018-09-05
He was getting banned for shit before that letter though, right? Also he isn’t the only one that’s been allegedly shadowbanned.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
Yeah because he's an insane dipshit. You're not allowed incite violence.
No one has proved they're getting shadow banned. They're just bitching because their channels are growing slowly.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
Cool, then prosecute him for his crimes in court!
Why do Americans love the idea of outsourcing the justice system to Facebook or college tribunals?
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
He didn't send a letter genius.
He hasn't exactly been sent to Facebook jail. He's just not allowed be a moron on their platform any more.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
Obviously.
He committed a felony punishable by 5 years, according to you.
Why isn't he in jail?
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
He didn't commit the felony. He posted something online which if he sent it through the USPS would be a felony.
I'm disagreeing with people who are saying that he wouldn't be treated the same way using the USPS to distribute his message by pointing out if he did that he'd commit a felony.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
/doubt
But thereby you are claiming that it would be different!
Being banned from sending letters is not the same as being charged with a crime.
Trial has due process.
Twitter ban doesn't.
Different.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
Yeah instead of losing a free platform he'd go to jail.
The guy threatened to kill an FBI agent to millions of people. Wrap it in all the layers of metaphor you want, the USA does not look lightly on that shit.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
If he was found guilty.
Good. That's how it's supposed to go.
What's your problem with due process?
If that is true, why isn't he in jail already?
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
I'm not suggesting setting up a gulag for Jones. I think if he did his behaviour over the USPS it would be a felony.
Cause it's the USA and a ton of stuff is a crime but rich people are given a lot of leniency along with a lot of criminal acts not being prosecuted?
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
That's fine. I don't care if he goes to prison, or has to do 40 hours community service, or whatever.
What I condemn is this new trend of sidestepping due process.
An unbiased tribunal.
Notice of the proposed action and the grounds asserted for it.
Opportunity to present reasons why the proposed action should not be taken.
The right to present evidence, including the right to call witnesses.
The right to know opposing evidence.
The right to cross-examine adverse witnesses.
A decision based exclusively on the evidence presented.
Opportunity to be represented by counsel.
Requirement that the tribunal prepares a record of the evidence presented.
Requirement that the tribunal prepares written findings of fact and reasons for its decision.
Requiring Twitter to do all of this for a ban might be overkill.
But the status quo is definitely not reasonable, either.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
That's fucking swell. 95% of cases in the USA are plee bargained out. So literally everything after step 2 doesn't happen in 95% of the United States criminal cases. It's kind of a wonder why they imprison the 3rd most people pp after North Korea and Guam isn't it?
Alex Jones called an FBI agent a paedophile and said he'd murder him.
Only you could be stupid enough to defend him being banned from social media as an injustice.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
OK, then let him plea-bargain if he wants.
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
You should sue whatever country educated you because they failed in every way.
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
I don't care about Alex Jones' particular case. I've been arguing about the need for regulating communication providers.
You OTOH seem obsessed with Alex Jones and the horrible things he's done.
Why do you not want him to stand trial?
Why do you cheer for bans without accountability?
Why do you think SRDine smugness will convince me?
1 Hemingwavy 2018-09-05
Have you ever jerked off in your own mouth?
1 dogDroolsCatsRules 2018-09-05
https://about.usps.com/publications/pub141/standard-prohibited-and-restricted-items.htm
Really make you think. :thinking:
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
I don't see any forbidden words or opinions in that list.
1 dogDroolsCatsRules 2018-09-05
Yes, we know you can't read.
1 shallowm 2018-09-05
anything that the market does is, by definition, far
1 modsarethebest 2018-09-05
oh good point lol
1 SlightDelivery 2018-09-05
Ma'am we've been over this before. You need to stop.
1 EffOffReddit 2018-09-05
They're not the government, stupid.
1 37586316845 2018-09-05
Brainlet take tbqh
1 newcomer_ts 2018-09-05
It's funny how mainstream media operates.
For all his BS aside, Alex actually asked an important question. And Rubio even attempted to answer. There's a video somewhere about their live encounter.
Now half-brain half-dead American will go away from this article assured his freedom of speech is in good hands.
1 Maxwyfe 2018-09-05
Not to mention exaggerating the "fight." Rubio said, "You aren't getting arrested. I'll take care of it myself." Not "I'll take you out myself." Newsweek made the whole thing way more dramatic than it actually happened.
But, that's what being dramatic is all about, so kudos for Newsweek!
1 nybbas 2018-09-05
Right? It's not even fucking hard to hear, or unclear.
1 newcomer_ts 2018-09-05
I think most media assumes people watching are Redditors who never read article and just go by article/thread title.
Still, I find this intentional misinterpretation and hyperbolic assessment (or, drama) to be the worst crime by media.
It's not entirely false but by God, is not true at all, too.
1 PostingMacaronis 2018-09-05
Huh, I didn't know robots drank water.
1 GARBAGE_MACHINE 2018-09-05
There it is
1 le_epic_xd 2018-09-05
Jones should reconsider the "trap/gay" dilemma before making such comments
1 DistortedLines 2018-09-05
He should consider looking at himself in the mirror tbh, like why would a qt twink like Rubio ever go for a fat manlet like Alex Jones?
1 the_black_panther_ 2018-09-05
Alex is definitely into Rubio
1 shallowm 2018-09-05
Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Alex Jones doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. The notion that he doesn't know what he's doing is just not true and needs to be dispelled. He knows exactly what he's doing, so let's dispel this fiction that he doesn't. The notion that he doesn't know what he's doing is just not true and needs to be dispelled. He knows exactly what he's doing.
1 the_black_panther_ 2018-09-05
Alex is into Little Marco
1 wwaalleess 2018-09-05
Hawt
1 DAE_DRUMPF_HITLER 2018-09-05
I want Alex Jones to be my sugar daddy.
1 nybbas 2018-09-05
Is newsweek.com retarded or deaf? Rubio clearly says "Ill take care of it myself".
1 shallowm 2018-09-05
related /r/drama thread
1 SmellyFarts123 2018-09-05
Even republicunts hapte alex jones