Vermont newspaper asks Bernie Sanders not to run this year. Vote sits at 0 with 196 comments in /r/politics

1  2019-01-07 by Dramaste

272 comments

What's Bernie Sanders' strategy going to be without me astroturfing on reddit for him for free?

Are you a literal NPC? First you had trouble counting to two, now you're just copy and pasting your replies. Do you need some time to update before you can type anything new?

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Hey, I remember this one

All major American media outlets serve the Republican Party to some extent, even the ones people accuse of having a "liberal bias".

Soy. Not even once.

They wouldn't be happy unless it was an actual propaganda arm.

Implying it isn't already.

To be fair that was actually entirely true when the Iraq War started in 2003.

You're such a weird nerd

I would never deny that.

I’m contrarian everybody!

Actually i revel in the fact that I'm a normie 85% of the time irl. Its generally only when it comes to american history (especially political history) that I like to flaunt my hipster boner for all the world to see. It works especially well since I'm canadian, so none of my peers even know what im talking about

ackshually Americans have protested the government ever since the Bacon Rebellion so it really isn’t a new concept. Hey, why are you all walking away?

This but unironically.

I do the same with WW2 and guns, dw

Don't bother, Reddit is all for Bush and the destabilization of the middle east now.

They unironically love Bush because he's against Brumb now lel

Is Bush against Trump?

Yup, he shaked the republicans and got the ball from the neocons' hands, plus, he shattered Jeb's chances at winning the primary.

Is he openly against Trump now though?

As far as I can recall, the Bush family has expressed their disdain for Trump many times on the past, and Bush himself also publicy criticized him, so I think there's a solid case for "yes" on this.

Not surprising too, since Trump manages to piss off both liberals and neocons with his actions

The left was helping him meme when the neoconservatards were reeing about him in the primaries, if anything, they're the original anti bloomf

I’m sure this is how you’d feel if you were a communist.

I mean, part of it is true. For the most part the mainstream dems and repubs don't differ on big picture policy that much.

Because most people aren't deranged tankies, yes.

If they said conservative sure, but they said republican.

Communists would correctly realise that the media doesn't serve either party and that both parties are beholden to the ruling class

True communists would voice their opinion and then gulag themselves for dissent.

They’re unflinchingly pro-war and pro-establishment, the only problem they have with Blumpf is reeeee mean tweets

I know. Imagine being so dumb you can't enjoy and laugh at the president making some of the most hilariously bad tweets of all time and instead get super angry about it. LOL

lol caring about your country losing global influence

Burgerland loosing global influence

and👏🏾that's👏🏾a👏🏾good👏🏾thing

i think a lot of people are upset that Trump is retarded

How do you even get to this point where you believe this

its not the soy speaking. its the communism lol

I do love a good conspiracy.

I wish Sanders wouldn't run. This is getting really tiring and it's 6 days into 2019

I don't see any real reason he shouldn't, he's not going to get the nomination but I'd rather see the Democratic primaries have a varied field like the right last election than end up with a Hillary or Bernie choice and that's it.

True, but it's like damn, he's run how many times and still hasn't cinched it? Really he is damn near 80, just step aside and let someone else run.

just step aside and let someone else run.

Maybe, but thanks again to the primaries he doesn't have to, he'll just get beat there and if he doesn't the left has bigger problems than they thought.

True, but it's like damn, he's run how many times and still hasn't cinched it?

one time, sweaty

I didn't realize he ever won the nomination for president from the DNC

Thanks for sharing!

He didn't so...2016 doesnt count cause he didn't win

you are a special little kid

He didnt win a nomination though. He was never on a ballot for president

Is that right?

To run for president, each candidate must file two documents with the FEC: a Statement of Organization, which creates a federal campaign committee (such as Obama for America or John McCain 2008), and a Statement of Candidacy, which identifies the person running for office and the office being sought and officially links the candidate to the committee created in the Statement of Organization.

When you hear of people "filing papers with the FEC" to run for president or some other federal office, these are the documents in question.

Once a candidate does so, he or she is a candidate for president in the eyes of the federal government. (Getting on the ballot in individual states is up to the candidate.) From this point forward, the candidate must file regular fundraising/spending disclosure reports and is subject to federal contribution limits.

I never said he wasnt a candidate. I'm saying he never won the nomination....

It's a complete non-sequitur.

True, but it's like damn, he's run how many times and still hasn't cinched it?

ONE TIME.

😕

Once

Only once and the Dems did royally dick the guy. I disagree with every one of his policies but he got a raw deal. Total pussy move to endorse Hillary after though.

When was this, I don't remember that

19 dickety 2

Because people have tore up his healthcare plan. It literally doesnt make any sense on paper. Hes saying we should tax the rich to pay for it but American standards of healthcare are insanely high. His plan would cost 30 trillion over 10 years to give everyone health care. The welfare state sucks up all our money along with the military presence we have on the world. We have to get rid of the deficit first. Keep in mind because access to welfare is infinite like 70% of all minorities on average are on welfare. Meaning the average non asian/mayo doesnt contribute to making America money over their lifetime. Demographics of welfare only work IF 30% of the population is on it. We passed that when obama started office, thats why the deficit is so high. There's too many wars and too many people gaming the welfare system. A collapse if nothing is done is inevitable.

This reminded me to check my Facebook

Why even have one when reddit is facebook now

K

this is like a compendium of facile right-wing may-mays.

just send fat people to fat camps and problem solved. I don't see any hard problems

Nice real objective source-backed facts grandpa.

His plan would cost 30 trillion over 10 years to give everyone health care.

That's the total cost. Which is less than we spend if we change nothing. Sander's plan is 2 trillion less than with no change.

It costs the government more money, but total healthcare spending falls by a lot because you get a reduction in emergency care, and a virtual elimination of the insurance industry. Insurance is just a useless 20% overhead on the entire system. Medicare has a 2% overhead.

https://www.thenation.com/article/thanks-koch-brothers-proof-single-payer-saves-money/

We cover everyone for less money because it makes the system more efficient as one piece instead of four disjointed pieces. And this was a Right-wing study designed to cast it in the most unfavorable light - and it still came out saving money.

So how are you going to fund it. Because increasing taxes on the rich and corporations isn't enough

Sure, but you're a normal person expressing an opinion.

No reporter, let alone an entire paper's editorial team, should be doing this.

Perhaps

God, imagine another couple years of nonstop Sanders spam. Everyone thought the Ron Paul shit in 2012 was bad, but the hilariously obvious Bernie astroturfing really took the cake.

Yea I'm already over all of it

There is no way it's appropriate or professional for a paper to ask a politician not to run.

There is no way it's appropriate or professional for a paper to ask a politician not to run.

Bernie running would be good for dramacoin

We already have AOC.

Only boomers and zoomers can legally be president.

Fek. Forgot that.

I'm GenX and I could have run in the 2008 election.

Shut up boomer

Get off my lawn, faggot.

Why don’t you become president and make me

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

I sure would, el presidente

And just like that, I want to play Tropico again.

Who the fuck thought those modern banks in Tropico 4 fit in at all?

I haven't played 4, how is it? I've heard it's both terrible and the best one in the series. Pretty mixed reaction there.

Yeah, that's about right. I think the storyline is pretty funny, but I also yearn for Tropico 4 but more expanded. I think it's a real solid foundation tho.

You know if any of these games have mods?

Nope

Bernie is Silent Gen. I.e. really fucking ancient.

Right, the only way Bernie will ever be president is through a protracted people’s war.

The real question is whether the Long Trail can withstand all the bombing while still conveying material to Bennington and points south.

dies just after launching missiles at Palestine

I think you mean at israel sweaty

A lil jfk 2.0 action

I’ll vote for whoever wins the Democratic primaries.

Top fucking comment. NPC meme might be real after all.

That's not crazy at all, though. If you have any type of rational political positions, you can already guess if you're going to agree more with Republican or Democratic policies and platforms 23 months from now. It's not like they're going to change very much.

You say that, but then we got Trump and Hillary last time and we were really close to getting Bernie or Cruz. Those are all wildly different people with different policies.

Found the Vernon Supreme voter!

Where's my damn pony?

That's Vermin* Supreme, ya dunce.

TFW no rubber boot emoticon 😭😭😭

While vastly different, Cruz and Trump are still far closer ideologically to eachother than they are to Sanders or Clinton, and vice versa.

Trump and Sanders are both against free trade and hate Amazon.

Horseshoe

Obviously there's no difference between the two, like how when anti--racists and racists all agree that someone is crappy, it's because they're the same, *not* because one side thinks he's too racist and the other thinks not racist enough.

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Good and bad things are the same and all bad things are equally bad! All answers lie directly in the middle!

this but wholly unironically

Ok Lindsey.

But then isn't the middle the same too? Is there some kind of middle-middle?

This is not radically centrist either. Radical centrism rejects the concept of left and right. Rather it only allows for one type of policy, the correct policy.

Trump is against monopolies not free trade. Amazon is far too large.

Being large isn't necessarily a monopoly numb nuts.

No you are technically correct there's another word for it but I forget. It's like monopoly but 1 company controls a shitload yet not all of it. Comcast is technically not a monopoly but they control so much there's no other options and they manhandle competitors out.

American ISPs are more like a cartel. There are a few big nationwide players but they tend to stay out of each others territory.

High barrier of entry. Telecom companies have this because infrastructure is so expensive to get setup.

Oligopoly?

Oligopoly

Yes thank you

"Tariff Man" is for free trade?

Trump is now the trust-busting reincarnation of Teddy Roosevelt?

The tariffs were to talk free trade. We didnt have free trade remember? It was always unfair to us. Theyre talking right now about fair trade with china.

TPP would have created the largest free trade zone in the world and would have also forced China and India in to the agreement. Orange man doesn't understand trade so cancelled US involvement. Orange man also doesn't understand trade tactics nor cares that unilaterally trade liberalization improves quality of life for your own citizens.

NAFTA was functioning fine but orange man doesn't understand comparative advantage so tried to renegotiate, ended up settling for a coupon when he realized he couldn't actually force Canada or Mexico to do stuff because it isn't 1955. Orange man doesn't understand geopolitics or diplomacy.

Orange man thinks trade deficits are bad because he doesn't understand trade or economics. Orange man thinks local production for secondary resources is better than imports because he doesn't understand comparative advantage, trade or economics and doesn't care when his economic advisors tell him he is litteraly making people poorer.

Only idiots give a fuck if we have a domestic steel industry.

Only idiots give a fuck if we have a domestic steel industry.

Probably people employed in that domestic steel industry do too.

How many jobs are lost in, well, literally every other steel-as-a-raw-material production and construction sector due to the higher cost of steel either due to tariffs or due to domestic steel production being inherently more expensive?

hint: a lot more than the 500 workers US steel hired back, and probably the few thousand nationwide

40 years ago it took upwards of 10 man-hours per finished ton of steel to produce, today it's under 2 man-hours (some companies sub 1 man-hour) due to technology and increasing use of recycled steel. So while US gross steel production iirc has fallen about 30% since the 70s, the man-hours (read: jobs) required to produce that steel has fallen to over 20% of the 1970's requirement.

It's just a dumb policy to pursue because in order to keep those jobs, every successive administration would have to keep those tariffs in place. As soon as the tariffs go away, so do the domestic jobs which only exist because of the tariffs, because it is inherently cheaper to produce most steel in other countries and import it, all things being equal.

If my steel making factory closes down then I can't just automatically go and automatically get one of those other jobs. Like a normal person, I don't care about the global or national economy, I care about my job.

so idiots, yes.

Did TPP address the forced technology transfers and intellectual theft that is done on a massive scale by China? Because that is what the US is currently focusing on in trade talks. I agree free trade is ideal and Donald Trump is wrong about the trade deficit but the status quo with China was not free trade. Trump has indicated the end game is free trade but there is no country that has less protectionism than the US (until Trump). Comparative advantage is also good until it isn't. It may be costlier to purchase some good domestically but the benefits to national security and stability of having robust energy, steel, agriculture, etc. industries outweighs the costs.

I get it. I have a Master's in Econ and I know free trade is ideal. The problem with Econ in Academia is that it assumes a perfect world and many people have a dogmatic adherence to theoretical concepts that are difficult or impossible to back with data. Yes it would be nice if all these steel workers and coal miners could just learn to code and start business with the cheaper goods they get from free trade but the reality is that they can't and won't. You can put them on welfare or let them keep breaking their backs in the mines. Either way is going to create an inefficiency in the economy.

Only idiots give a fuck if we have a domestic steel industry.

Imagine being raised to believe that a shitty service economy is sustainable.

Ever wondered why wages aren’t going up anymore?

LMAO blaming Trump for being against TPP when all of the candidates in 2016 were anti-TPP. This is the future you voted for.

Trump is against monopolies

And yet his government abolished net neutrality. 😂 😂 😂

Monopoly talk aside, if you take net neutrality seriously, you’re an absolute fucking moron.

Monopoly talk aside

"When you ignore the main and, indeed, only topic of conversation..." Lmao.

Actually I set it aside because it was the absolute dumbest fucking thing you said.

But okay, I’ll embarrass you on this. How was net neutrality good for competition?

The system in the US is already borked because regional providers are essentially locked in, but being able to gauge consumers and provide preferential treatment to anyone who pays a premium just cements the fucked up system further.

Not my problem, I'm not an American. But your current government removed the band aid from an open wound simply because the monopoly suppliers asked them to.

Quick, tell me all the bad things that have happened because net neutrality was repealed.

I'm sure the massive monopolies asked for it to be repealed because of altruism and happy bunnies 😊 😊 😊

it’s a cruel world where small businesses like Google, Netflix, and Amazon are brought to heel by de facto government utilities

the propaganda that Google and friends plastered all over Reddit back in 2018 was hilarious, like stories about how websites cost $5/mo each in Portugal

It’s telling that you couldn’t list a single bad thing. Almost as though you just took up the fight for something you had zero understanding of because you were manipulated by companies that (correctly) figured you for a moron

I'm not seriousposting on /r/drama because I'm not a fucking mongoloid.

I started an argument I can’t win.

I didn't start an argument, you fucking 'tard. Where are you?

The system in the US is already borked because regional providers are essentially locked in, with the barrier to entry being near-insurmountable. However being able to gouge consumers and provide preferential treatment to anyone who pays a premium just further cements the fucked up system. Not my problem, I'm not an American. But your current government removed the band aid from an open wound simply because the monopoly suppliers asked them to.

lol 2funny5me shitposting

Got you to sperg out, but not in a funny way, unfortunately. Your pure autism isn't worth much if you have no flair for the creative.

Post more laughing emojis, little guy. That’ll convince people that you’re not the milker and not the milkee.

Boring.

said the mad little guy, having failed to either win the argument or say anything interesting

I get that you have terminal autism, but the wishful diagnosis of "anger" is just a little sad. Try harder.

I must have the last word.

Boring three times in a row, you're out.

That has nothing to do with monopolies and have increased our speeds due to competition. You could even argue NN increases monopolies because it forces a lack of incentives to improve and allow competition.

Seriouspost to me more about Daddy's policies 😍 😍 😍

Incorrect. Trump and Sanders are close to each other. You've just been led to believe otherwise. Trump is a right populist and sanders is a left populist.

From a policy and governing standpoint they are vastly different.

Just because they both appeal to low functioning, unemployed losers doesn't mean they are at all similar on a policy level.

Trump and Cruz are way closer to each other than the other two, and vice versa. Unless you're one of those "I vote for who I'd like to have a beer with better" types, it's perfectly reasonable to have a super strong idea of whether you're going to vote D or R in the presidential election next year.

Only thing they all have in common is I’d never vote for any of them

Truly brave

If you have any type of rational concept of political positions, you can already guess if you're going to agree more with Republican or Democratic policies and platforms 23 months from now.

Unless you're one of those "anti-war democrat" that lost their shit when Trump announced we were pulling out of Syria, LOL. Let's not pretend this is about "rational positions." Some people hate Trump so much they'd probably vote for Zombie Hitler so long as he ran against Trump as a democrat.

Trump is a shitty president lol... Yeah there's always been a lot of reactionary retards. But pretending there's some sort of mass hysteria rather than just a shitty president seems like a cope for you tbh...

Wow, BTFO

been comparing him to hitler since before he was sworn in

no mass hysteria

That’s a flaming hot take famalam

been comparing him to hitler since before he was sworn in

like 3 twitter rad-fems said that? Yeah ok

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/01/20/chris_matthews_trumps_inauguration_speech_had_hitlerian_background_to_it.html

From Chris Matthews. Unknown radfem. It is the inauguration so I guess you got me there. They’ve just been doing it since day one of his tenure.

realclearpolitics. lol.

He was talking about the nationalistic tone of the speech but hey nuance is lost on someone who reads realclearpolitics unironically...

”reads realclearpolitics unironically”

article posted is from 2 years ago

Yeah no way that could be the work of google or anything. Galaxy brain on your head there.

It doesn’t matter what he was referring to you fucking brainlet he still is comparing him to hitler.

Your comment history shows you sticking up for fox news plenty in the past as well, shill.

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On the nationalism front to get elected it's an apt comparison. They both sure know/knew how to rile up dumbshits aka "the base"

Ooh damn you really got me by going through my comment history. Really stuck it to the cons!!

Way to post on some comment from 15 days ago you fucking dweeb.

makes claim

claim is refuted

digs through post history to claim its agenda posting

Unbeatable formula you have there, bud.

Well when you tried to distance yourself from your initial source i had to confirm your shill status... Which was easy before even turning to page 2

Lmao cope harder bud. Only the assblasted go through weeks of post history and comment on two week old posts.

Your comment history shows

lmao, fucking inbred

You dont like to see the type of retards you are dealing with? To each their own. chud.

chud.

oof

Everyone gets compared to Hitler by someone on the internet. Everyone.

Yes and it’s all retarded and unhinged

congratulations, you've caught up with the rest of us from 2010

Wait are rage comics no longer popular?? 😣😣😤😒

There's a difference between being "anti-war" and being "anti-leave your allies to die".

Please inform yourself.

This is exactly the behaviour that got Trump elected. Write in your vote dumbass, together we can get a radical centrist elected

Yeah I’m going to stand behind the winner of my chosen party even if I didn’t vote for them in the primary. Like it or not we have a two party system and right now, not voting/voting third party doesn’t work.

And looking at the last election, you're saying voting does work?

But isn't the track record of the republicans much worse than the democrats especially in the last 30 years?

lol

Wars started. Don't get me wrong I'm not as anti Trump as most.

well sure, but I don't know why that's your go-to metric in this thread

Maybe because it's a massive one?

Wars have long lasting and deep impacts, and they are used as a tool of greed and control.

what the fuck does that have to do with Vermont, Bernie, the NPC meme, Trump, or the 2020 primary/general elections?

who cares

I mean if you give clinton a pass for letting osama live, or pretend he wasnt at war in Iraq, somalia and the Balkans. And also ignore that Obama droned american nationals and started a war in Lybia and joined a war in Syria.

At war in Iraq?

Operation desert fox

Wasn't that old man Bush?

That was desert storm

Had to look it up, only like 6 cruise missiles were launched, isnt that my point, that the republicans are way worse?

As in they actually decided to do something with bipartisan and UN support rather than let saddam make random threats for the rest of his life? Then yes.

But he did choose to invade a sovereign nation for essentially the same reason as the Iraq war of 2003 (just less effectively). Is passing the buck better?

His Iraq liberation act laid the legal framework for Bush to do his thing.

"In October 1998, removing the Iraqi government became official U.S. foreign policy with enactment of the Iraq Liberation Act. The act provided $97 million for Iraqi "democratic opposition organizations" to "establish a program to support a transition to democracy in Iraq."[66] This legislation contrasted with the terms set out in United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, which focused on weapons and weapons programs and made no mention of regime change.[67] One month after the passage of the Iraq Liberation Act, the US and UK launched a bombardment campaign of Iraq called Operation Desert Fox. The campaign's express rationale was to hamper Saddam Hussein's government's ability to produce chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, but U.S. intelligence personnel also hoped it would help weaken Saddam's grip on power"

Wow, you must be a JP fan

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they are, by almost every conceivable metric. but the democrats suck a lot, too

a smarter group of people would trounce the republicans in every large election outside of the hick states. but we don't have a smart group of people, we have the dems, who are the embodiment of, "lesser of two evils"

You're going to see a lot of these comments next election cycle. And it's exactly what needed to happen to keep Trump out last time instead of voting 3rd party. I made the same mistake, thinking personal principles were more important when it came to our nation's pride and integrity.

Your individual vote will never matter any way so vote for who you most align with. You shouldn't vote for the lesser evil shit or we are just going to see 2016 repeated over and over again.

Voting for dreams and feelings is exactly how the democrats lost key states and trump won.

Vote with your heart in the primaries, but use your brain in the general.

More people voted Libertarian than Green, so if anything third parties probably hurt Trump more...

OR the libertarians have an actual base that wont vote trump even if they couldnt vote for a 3rd party.

look, vote however you like. but dont come crying when voting with fee fees turned out a disaster isntead of voting with your brain.

in the US 2 party system you have to vote with your brain in the general election. again, vote for bambi in the primaries if you like, but not voting or wasting a vote on a GE is nearly the same as voting for the guy you dont like.

im still amazed that trump won and not even his disastrous presidency is making people get their head out of their asses and realize that reality isnt a disney movie that will cave to you just cause you shout harder. the only reason to vote 3rd party is if they somehow manage to get an actual seat at the table if they get X amount of votes or something similar.

If more people voted for the lesser evil, Hilary may have won. I'd guess there were more Democrats that didn't vote for her than Republicans that didn't vote for Donald.

🤮

go back to /r/politics

Honestly had no idea what sub I was in. Just on my front page. I don't intentionally visit any specific sub

It's real.

cons do this same thing. As does anyone else with a political leaning.

Trump chose to support a conservative pedophile to the end instead of demanding him to step out of the race.

"Lol reps are so dumb they only vote for whatever has an R beside it"

I’ll vote for whoever wins the Democratic primaries.

Well yeah we already know who the GOP pick is and he’s a pretty known quantity. And if he thinks there’s no one on the Dems who’s worse that’s not totally unreasonable

Although if both parties had to do a primary then yeah it’d be stupid to say you’re voting Dem/GOP before we even have a full list of who’s going to be in the primaries.

Said it before, I'll keep saying it; Bernie is far too old and far too left. We have to find a candidate that's more attractive to the ignoramuses in the center so we don't give them a built-in excuse to not vote.

Good ol "gotta touch em all" joe

Groping was eliminated as a disqualifier in 2016.

Only if you’re smart enough not to give the soys the satisfaction of you caring. See Al franken

You can’t really go further to the right than HRC.

I mean, she’s going to run again this time on an anti immigration platform. So I guess she could go further to the right.

Fuck Joe Biden, and Bernie 2.0

Go with manchin then

This but unironically.

Joe Biden or Beto

Joe Biden is probably the only democrat who has a chance against Trump, but only because he's like a Bizarro Democrat version of Trump.

O'Rourke couldn't even beat The Zodiac Killer with big democrat donors pissing money all over his face. There's no way in hell Bobby Francis would beat Trump.

O'Rourke couldn't even beat The Zodiac Killer with big democrat donors pissing money all over his face.

This. Beto couldn't beat a historically unpopular incumbent senator in Texas. Millions of Texans broke from voting straight party Republican ticket to vote against Ted Cruz, as evidenced by how many more votes Governor Gregg Abbot received than Ted Cruz.

What a specious analysis... Texas is a Republican stronghold.

What a specious analysis...

That’s the only kind I get paid to make sweaty.

Yes, I could tell that you're a paid shill. How does it feel spreading propaganda for Putin, troll?

It affords me a 300 square meter flat in downtown Yekaterinburg, and a top of the line Lada Xray just from posting on reddit all day, so in a word, I’d say it feels отлично.

historically unpopular

I'm from texas and the coservatives and church-goers down here love ted cruz. don't get fooled by reddit and twitter, that dude has a huge following

You said it before and look, hes still alive... he would have been just fine, so i suppose you were wrong then. What's to say you aren't wrong again?

People had a problem with grab em by the pussy but you'd be fine with this creep as president??? LOL

I wouldn't mind seeing the VOX article after this compilation hits national news lol

if thats what he does in front of the camera I shudder at the thought of what he gets up to behind closed doors....

404, lrn2link

Bernie Sanders is a multi-millionaire NeoLiberal who refuses to reveal his taxes and overseas investments. He was Rodham's sheepdog in 2016, pied-pipering the Left, so she could jink hard Right with the Warhogs.

Then he delivered the Left to her on a silver shekels platter, and swore obeisance to a known psychopath, someone clearly owned by the Wall Street Mafiya, someone dirty.

This was not just 'bad optics', this was total betrayal of his Leftist base.

Literally sounds like it was written by some kind of comment buzzword generator

This sounds shill bot generated.

There is no center.

Tell me what polices you support, bullshit pandering to the "center" is not how America accomplishes anything great.

Clinton wasn't polarising, she was just insufferably established and clearly groomed from the beginning to be president.

A lot of people seemed to want her to fail for that reason alone.

This "Vermont news paper" was recently sold to a company in Maine, so take this with heavy salt.

So?

It means whatever you think it means. The OP seems to be implying that it's a newspaper of his own state, with in-state editors who represent Vermont somehow, but in actuality the details are much more murky. Not a cut and dry "His homestate doesn't want him!" kind of thing.

So clealry whenever the Detroit Free press runs an editorial about a Michigan politician they're fucked becasue they're owned by Gannett, which operates out of Virginia

it's clear that you understand. I'm surprised, but impressed

It was sold to a longtime Republican and hedge fund manager who's good friends with several Republican senators and has exclusively endorsed Republicans.

Mainers and Vermonters are completely different.

How different can those maplecels really be?

NH, VT, and ME are all pretty similar in that they're jam-packed with far left mayos.

And by jam-packed I mean spread out as far as possible because nobody fucking lives in this frozen shithole part of the country

I hope he runs so my stocks in dramacoin go up

Hope someone tells Hillary the same thing tbh.

Please no Hillary, no Bernie, no Biden.

Yes to all cause it's good for dramacoin

Geriatric Death Match

Who's left?

Warren please.

He needs to be primaried and taught a lesson. He literally give us drumpf, it was her turn

the nominee needs to be a woman

This is how America gets 4 more years of Trump lmao

Since when did having a vagina become the only thing you need to be a breath of fresh air in politics?

Exactly. Since when what’s in between your legs is more important than your capacity, integrity, experience, etc ?

When intersectionality hit the mainstream.

The theory is men are in power because the Patriarchy. It couldn't be because gasp woman willingly vote for and want men as their representatives.

those folks are crazy and its sad that its a very vocal minority so they get their stupid ass way in a lot of things.

It's funnier when you realize that more women vote than men.

No, you don't get it, women are stupid and brainwashed, so they don't know what they actually want, that's why they vote for men.

They need the enlightened proggressives to show them them the true way of how wrong they are by voting this way.

stupid and brainwashed,

In $CURRENT_YEAR we call that "internalised toxic masculinity"

How can you say that with a straight face when Trump is in office?

because trump didnt win for having a dick.

trump won because hilldawg was an awful candidate and he actually campaigned in key states.

i fail to see how is this related at all with trump winning.

Capacity, integrity, and experience were clearly not criteria.

i mean, it was. but he faced the only candidate with less integrity than him.

also, if you read my comment instead of getting outraged from the get go, i said "what’s in between your legs is more important than your capacity, integrity, experience, etc ?"

nobody voted for trump exclusively cause he had a dick. but this newspaper is looking for a candidate with the exclusive requirement that it was born with an XX set (zero intentions of getting into the gender vs sex debate). which was my point. its so fucking stupid to put the XX or XY in your list of requirements and specially when its basically the only requirement.

Capacity, integrity, and experience were clearly not criteria.

Hillary Clinton created open air slave markets in Libya.

Youre just proving him right when you have to resort to alex jones tier crazy bullshit

Um. That's what happened? Hillary Clinton led the charge on intervention in Libya. Thanks to that intervention, there are now open air slave markets in Libya. I am sorry that this sounds like "Alex Jones tier crazy bullshit" to you, but without Hillary you don't get the intervention in Libya, without the intervention in Libya you don't get the fall of Gaddafi, and without the fall of Gaddafi you don't get the open air slave markets.

Hillary Clinton created open air slave markets in Libya

Fentanyl. Not even once.

again, they were criteria but the opponent had more baggage than my fiance for a 2 day trip.

and again, if they werent its stupid as fuck. so my original point still stands. dont see what you're trying to argue here honestly.

I'm arguing that without considering the actual election, Trump was chosen in the primary. Because he met the critera, capacity (companies outside real-estate went backrupt) integrity (he's dirty), experience (never held any office)

mummy defence force assemble!

Considering that until relatively recently women faced enormous barriers to getting a higher education, reaching the heights of political and corporate power, and raising their socioeconomic status ... what's in between your legs has always mattered; it's different now because the femoids are benefiting from it, and that triggers you.

not even gonna dignify this shit with an actual answer lmao

Too triggered to think of a rebuttal?

lol. just lol. i cant seriously believe people like you exist. anyway, not gonna waste more time. bye.

That's been Trump's philosophy for his entire life, and it has not failed him even once.

since it seems to upset people like you

Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 it 8/8

electing women is problematic y'all

That's literally the opposite of what he said though:

Since when did having a vagina become the only thing you need to be a breath of fresh air in politics?

i translated it from retard-talk

No you didn't, you reversed it.

Yes i did

No you didn't

whats your source

Ummm logic, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

I'm sorry but how is "we shouldn't just elect a woman just because she has a vagina" retard-talk exactly?

I'm sorry but

yikes

ragging on people for trying to be polite

Y I K E S

And we're the retards.

Without checking your post history I'm going to make an educated guess and say yes.

Oh I don't deny my stupidity in plenty of things. I don't know everything. No one does.

But in this instance of voting for a vag just because it's a vag, you're clearly the retard here.

Oh I don't deny my stupidity in plenty of things. I don't know everything. No one does.

yeah but i called you retarded, not normal

Alright, you're a boring perpetual "no u" machine. Enjoy voting for women solely because they're women. I'm sure that'll bring us loads of progress.

i will, women on company boards lead to better performing companies, and i expect the same is true for everything

facts dont care about your feelings

> Unironic yikes- and ya'll-posting

OUT

out posting

mega yikes

noseriousposting

the discussion of women being elected is my one vice

Try heroin

try school

Literal Trumptard tactics. 'He makes you mad so he must be right'.

ok now what's really upsetting you?

This is how America gets 4 more years of Trump

If every retard could stop repeating this line for everything that happens that they find dumb...That'd be great.

I agree, it's comments like these that will lead to 4 more years of Trump!

I agree

It's statements like that that will give us 4 more years of DONALD TRUMP LMAO

People will vote for that mother fucker.

implying that mayos are people

more proof that trumpoids are NPCs

Projection 📽

horse shoe theory 🦄♻️️👞

An iconic duo

"Life" in this "society" being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of "society" being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and eliminate the male sex.

Trump: not the president we want. Or the president we need. But he is the president we deserve.

This was the whole comment, you retard:

Do you believe like this article about another article claims that the nominee needs to be a woman? Is the an important or superficial quality we need in a Democratic presidential candidate?

Is the fact that Bernie shows up on national news shows and makes statements a benefit to the candidate or no.

We need a knock knock knocking on heavens door ticket of Biden/sanders, though I doubt Biden’s going to heaven tbh

He will if they have young girls there to touch

Larry David and Chief One-Drop Rule will split the chapotard vote if they both run, and he had his shot last time. It's her turn!

How about we run someone who isn't a billion years old?

The realized that all the socialists sucked grandpa’s pp dry, and they need to move on to some other economic illiterate idiot like AOC

They're actually going to find a way to lose to trump. I don't think a party who's sole platform was intentionally losing could be this bad at winning elections.

Bernie will run and they will find an old Access Hollywood tape then say he has zero chance at winning. then when he does win, they will say Russia helped him win and then spend the next 4 years investigating false claims and try to indict small groups of internet trolls to seem legitimate.

Is this how liberals operate?

Why would the MOST POPULAR POLITICIAN in the country not run? Poll after poll shows he beats trump by the highest margin of all other nominees. Is this the newspaper that childishly kept repeating that Hillary was a better candidate, despite polls showing sanders beating him by double digits... and she only beat trump by single digits? Nonsense . Illogical, not based on science. Go Home.

Bernie is mostly russian backed. Voting for him is no better than being fooled by the trump propaganda in 2016. You play right into Putin's hands.

/r/neoliberal poster coming in with the real truths

TBH Russia probably would back Bernie because he has the spine of a slug and would literally have the most limp-wristed American foreign policy of all time. The difference between him and Trump is either have an embarrassing, cowardly, ineffective Senator who is too afraid to use any form of hard power or an emotionally driven egotistical ass who flip-flops to much to have any sort of consistent application of power and if I was lil Vlady I'd definitely take the first one.

Because putting Nato into question is less helpful to Russia theeeeeeen Bernie probably letting russia annex Crimea anyways.

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Oh neoconnwo poster, nooooow I get it.

Oh neoconnwo poster, nooooow I get it. e

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Oh neoconnwo poster, nooooow I get it.

Were gonna bomb Syria into having human rights or die be disappointed trying

And yeah, Russia could have preferred Trump or Sanders to the competition in each of their own party, both at the time were very beneficial to Russia's long-term goals unless you somehow think they would prefer Bernie to Hillary. Also, depending on where DJ stops flopping at he may give Syria to them as well.

you personally identify as a neocon, no one sane thinks your foreign policy takes are good.

Last time a neocon was in the white house the US spent a trillion dollars and killed 400k iraqis for basically nothing positive.

I'd say neocurious more than anything. For example, we have a commitment to the Kurds to make sure they aren't decimated by Assad, ISIS or the Turks because we told them we would and therefore we owe them that. It's also important that we contain the influence of illiberal powers in the region such as Russia and Iran.

Nevertheless in situations like Venezuela I'm unconvinced that the situation is at the point that we should do anything militarily because even though it would be a human rights issue at this point we still have to decide if it's worth the trouble. Its one of those things where if its broken when you're done you're left with the entire mess, even if it was broken before you got there. It makes me genuinely sad that people are going to continue suffering and dying there, however I just don't know if it's best for us to get involved.

If that makes me the crazy warmongerer than I'm not particularly bothered by it.

On a separate note, I will say I was a little harsh on Sanders. He isn't terrible when it comes to certain aspects of foreign policy but I don't see him having the backbone to competently exercise hard power.

Im going to pretend i read this wall of stupid opinions

Hey my dude you do you! I don't particularly mind if you disagree with or even ignore my opinions, you're entirely entitled to your own!

I'd say neocurious more than anything.

goddamnit I hate this website so fucking much

This is a tiny paper nobody cares about and I'm actually surprised they still exist.

The only paper of note in vermont is the burlington free press.

Aside from that, most vermonters get their news from wcax or VPR.

Wait. Berniebros are still going strong? Isn't it like, 2019?